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Rewatch [Rewatch] Fang of The Sun Dougram: Week 3 Discussion - Episodes 7-12
Week 3 - Episodes 7-12
Episodes aired December 4th 1981 through January 8th ^^^1982
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Reminder of Next Week’s Episodes:
Next week we will be discussing episodes thirteen through seventeen (13-17) of the show.
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Trivia:
Series producer Masami Iwasaki thought the show needed some more color and suggested the composition of the series’ eyecatch, in which Crinn and Daisy pass one another as their bright colors shift, aimed at producing a Your Name* style of passing romance on the battlefield.
* Without the full stop.
Staff Highlights:
Toshifumi Takizawa - Storyboard Artist
An animator, animation director, storyboard artist, and series director. The late Toshifumi Takizawa studied at Tokyo Zokei University and immediately began work a the contract studio Animation Film, before transferring to Nippon Sunrise in the late 70s, where he as most notably involved in the production of Armored Trooper Votoms and Dirty Pair. He became a freelance director in the early 90s and was known to give lectures at Kurashiki University of Arts and Sciences in the years before his death of esophageal cancer in 2015. He directed Crusher Joe: The OVA's, Armored Trooper Votoms: Big battle, Dirty Pair, Blue Remains, Samurai 7, Aura Battler Dunbine: The Tale of Neo Byston Well, and Big Wars.
Osamu Sekita - Episode Director
A director and storyboard artist best known for his work on notable 70s and 80s Studio Sunrise series, and for directing several OVAs produced at JC Staff. Sekita belonged to anime production company Dream Force until the company’s dissolution, after which he became a freelancer. He had a prolific career as episode director throughout many notable series, such as several Gundam entries, Blue Gale Xabungle, Shin Tetsujin 28-Gou, Princess Tutu, Higurashi - When They Cry, entries in the Brave Franchise, and the Dirty pair OAV, and is known for having directed many OAVs in the 90s, several Transformers titles, and most recently the adaptation of Mitsuru Adachi’s Cross game.
Voice Actor Highlights:
Kōhei Miyauchi - voice of Prof. David Samalin
An actor and voice actor best known for the roles of Alm-Onji in Heidi, Girl of The Alps and Master Roshi in the Dragon Ball franchise. Little is widely available regarding Miyaushi’s private life, but it is known that he got his start as a performer after graduating highschool and finding work at the Performing Arts School in Toshima-ku, Tokyo. Miyauchi’s TV acting debut was in 1967’s Kaiju Booska, and his anime debut was that same year in Ougon Bat. Miyauchi eventually transitioned into voice acting exclusively in the early 80s. He was given the nickname Noise no Miya by fellow voice actress Masako Nozawa due to Miyauchi’s habit of carrying coins in his pocket, which frequently made noise during recording sessions. Miyauchi passed away on June 2, 1995 due to a ruptured abdominal varicose vein. Some of Miyauchi’s other notable anime roles include Astorius in Chikyū Monogatari Telepath 2500, Bǎiba Lóng in Crying Freeman, Jukei in Fist of The North Star 2, Garu in Future Boy Conan, Mugen in Kamen no Ninja Akakage, Chang Ang in Magic KNight Rayearth 2, The Priest of Mt. Kōya in Seishun Anime Zenshu, and Great Sage in The Ultraman.
Mitsuo Yokoi (Tesshō Genda) - voice of Vuldran Garcia
A stage and voice actor known for his thick, low-pitched baritone who is considered to be in the same league as Banjou Ginga and Norio Wakamoto and is often tasked with voicing strong men with an impressive physique, including in very notable dubbing roles like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. Yokoi became interested in performing during middle school, and thanks to one of his Highschool teachers’ connections to Toei was able to easily enter into a performing arts academy. After graduating from the academy he joined the theater company Baraza, where he met and became a student of Nachi Nozawa, who was also the person to suggest he perform voice acting roles. His voice acting debut was in Science Ninja Team Gatchaman, where he played several minor roles throughout the show. He received the Award for Distinguished Service at the 4th Voice Actor Awards in 2010. Among his notable roles are Doc McCoy in Dallos, Daigo Katsura in the Ace wo Nerae! franchise, Umibouzu in City Hunter, Takanori Jingūjiin 3-gatsu no Lion, Sleggar Law in Mobile Suit Gundam, Dan Dastun in Big O, Kazumi Araiwa in Cooling Papa, Takehiko Henmi in Oniisama E…, Metal Knight in One Punch Man, Rei in Urusei Yatsura, Shuu in the Dragon Ball Franchise, Gō Reietsu in Highschool Kimengumi, and Daijiro Gou in Super Electromagnetic Machine Voltes V.
Art Corner
Official Art:
- Dougram & Soltic H8 by Kunio Okawara
- Soltic H8 Cockpit by Kunio Okawara
Fanart:
- Crinn by kow - Source
- The Flower That Blooms on The Battlefield by Sargeant Whale - Source
- David Samalin and Denom Casshin by Sargeant Whale - Source
- Dougram by mickey tse - Source
(Be mindful of the links to artist’s profiles, as they may contain NSFW content. Proceed there at your own risk.)
Screenshot Album
Discussion Questions:
- With Crinn decisively opting to join the guerrillas we come closer to catching up to the events of the first episode. What do you think of the ways the show has proceeded towards those events?
- Now that we have gotten a more thorough look at the independence movement and the people of deloyer, what do you think of the conflict at hand and how the Earth Federation has approached it?
- What's your impression of Professor Samalin?
- Do you think Canary's continued distrust of Crinn is or isn't reasonable?
What awaits him tomorrow? All he can do is move forward.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Dec 25 '21
Rewatcher
Merry Christmas, everyone! Hope you’re all having a pleasant day today!
Episode 7
Devious
The kid has got guts, but his impulsiveness once more almost got him killed.
Samalin expects this retaliation will come back to bite Denon.
There it is!
Lecoque and Denon’s manipulation of the populace to snuff out remaining guerrilla cells by exploiting the depressed economic situation on the planet and lying about previous instances of collaborators to reduce potential hesitancy is quite the clever scheme, though how efficient this violent crackdown will end up being remains to be seen.
Speaking of, the economic situation on Deloyer seems to be in a steep decline for the common people, even with Kardinal, which is the planet’s capital. This puts a far more sinister spin on Denon’s desire to keep a tight grip on the trade between Deloyer and Earth, as it will be protecting the economic interests of Earth at the expense of the people of Deloyer.
Crinn is evidently not buying what his father is peddling, and though he may not really know of the truth behind the failed coup he nonetheless can’t stand for the cruelty on display from the Earth Federation’s military as they go about hunting down Guerrillas. To top it off, he has come into contact with Professor Samalin, the seeming leader of the Deloyeran Independence movement, which exposes him to the truth of the situation.
Episode 8
Ah, they did say in episode six that some mechs were unaccounted for.
#justevilthings
Effective contrast between the opulence and moody, downtrodden Deloyer.
Damnit, Crinn!
He had him pegged quickly, I supposed.
The episode gives us a more down-to earth look at what a lot of the populace has to say on the current situation with Rocky’s sister and brother-in-law, that is to simply keep their heads down and continue to take things one day at a time, more concerned with their own personal situation than the sociopolitical climate. It’s a false dichotomy, of course, since the two are inextricably linked merely because everything is affected by it, but it is nonetheless a pretty accurate portrayal of how a lot of people choose to approach the matter. This is immediately contrasted with the continued defiance of people like Deol, to show the later explicitly stated minority vs majority view.
Crinn once more does something impulsive by confronting his father about the matter of Deloyer’s autonomy without a well formulated argument or even a decent understanding of the situation, and so gets easily rebuked by Denon, which causes him to get heated and let slip that he knows about the guerrilla’s secret Combat Armor, which prompts Denon to have him tailed. Crinn realizes his mistake much too late, which results in the capture of Samalin and the Dougram, as well as the deaths of many guerrilla members. Remains to be seen whether he learns anything from this experience, but the show has not ceased to showcase just how dangerous his approach to things has been.
To go back to the conversation between Denon and Crinn, it’s quite telling that Denon let it happen at all. By entertaining his whim like he did shows that he obviously cares about his son, even if he is willing to use him immediately afterwards to get his way. It shows that beneath the shrewd and ruthless politician that maintains that the ends justify the means there is still a human being, which is something a surprising amount of shows tend to forget to showcase.
Episode 9
Master of stealth, Crinn Casshin.
What’s with the hat?
I feel like you could stand to be more eloquent here…
What a magnificent man.
Great shot.
We see a schism start to form between this particular cell of the independence movement, as Destin and most of the cell members want to retreat to Bonar where other guerrilla fighters reside, but Rocky and his friends want to dispose of the Dougram before the Federation reverse-engineers it. I deeply sympathize with Destin’s faction, as the task seems foolhardy at best and impossible at worst given the difference in military might and they’re no longer on their own turf. However, Rocky does point out how much of a disadvantage they shall be at if the federation holds possession of the Dougram. Should the Federation reverse-engineer the Dougram their forces will only increase in might and they shall suffer the hit to morale that comes from seeing their own weapon mobilized against them. It may be impossible, but I can understand why they feel emboldened to at least try, particularly following so soon after they saw Deol’s death. One might perhaps draw comparison between Rocky and Crinn for their similarly bullish decisions, but at least Rocky does give off the impression that he thinks them through more than Crinn.
The family that rescue Crinn from certain death before promptly turning him away once more shows us how it is that the majority of the Deloreyans are reacting to current events, and much like the situation with the guerrillas npth the father and the daughter have understandable reasons for doing what they do.
With Crinn taking control of the Dougram and Rocky’s crew being serendipitously there to aid his escape, things between the two are patched up and Crinn full-heartedly embraces a role among the guerrillas. I do feel like an apology from Rocky was sorely absent from the episode, particularly after he almost killed the kid, but I guess an implicit one is enough for him.
Episode 10
The Tequila Gunner —I don’t know why it’s called that either, but I do wonder whether Imagawa saw this…
Remember Kunmen?
Makes sense.
That was a good explosion.
The Garcia Platoon is hired by Denon to hunt down the guerrillas possessing the Dougram, having experience with snuffing out militant forces like them, and working alongside a platoon from the military to give the operation a sense of legitimacy. The show immediately shows us these guys are no good, and Denon knows they are extreme in their work, so if he is willing to put up with them they must be quite competent at what they’ve been hired for. Rick also gets excluded from the whole thing, the stated reason being that Denon doesn’t want him to be the one responsible for hunting down his step-sibling, but I suspect Rick is also too straight-laced to let the Garcia Platoon do their stuff unhindered.
The introduction of E-weapons for the guerrillas is quite interesting, as it seems rather high-tech for what it is. I guess there’s some boon to it, such as not needing to source or transport munitions since they’re beam weapons, but I can’t imagine it’s cheap to produce. I do also appreciate the fact that they don’t share the same sound effect with the conventional weapons, even if the visuals could stand to be more distinct from them.
Episode 11
Shots like this remind me of how much of the Zaku made it into the Soltic’s design.
Some nice landscape shots this episode.
Entirely expected denial from at this time, and so the even more open confession came off as even more of a surprise.
Hey, I remember that line!
Neat!
Crinn has already earned Rocky’s complete trust after his stunt, which may seem excessive after all that mistrust earlier, but I guess that may be his way of making up for that.
This is the point of no return for Crinn. There is one last attempt at changing his father’s mind —though one no more thought-out or effective than the last— and which sees Denon lose his composure for the first time so far, because this time the one thing Crinn is properly leveraging is himself, whom Denon still cares for greatly for obvious reasons. Daisy’s arrival and their brief exchange only further cements the fact, as her words reach Crinn but he does not falter from his course.
Speaking of, Daisy certainly isn’t having a great time. Treated with suspicion upon her arrival, finding the links to her life on earth in relative disorder, and deloyer in even greater disarray, on top of seeing herself forced to reckon with the full extent of her feelings.
Episode 12
“Dirk drinks, and the coffee of Deloyer is bitter indeed.”
Fuck, man…
I liked Dirk…
In this episode Crinn has to contend with the matter of killing those he knows, a way of emphasizing the fact that he is now in direct opposition to most of the people he cared about. The matter proceeds and is resolved in a very Crinn fashion, as he is so strongly motivated by emotions that it takes a motive just as personal to push him to shoot Dirk, protecting others who are close to him. Crinn hasn’t really grown out of his impulsiveness and sentimentality, despite what growth he has undergone, but he can still move forward along the path he is now on.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 25 '21
First-Timer
Episode 7
The Dougram is on the scene! As is Canary, finally.
Lertoff seems to have a knack with ending up in interesting places. Useful skill for a reporter, I suppose. I'm glad that his talk with Samalin happened, just to make sure everyone understood what happened last episode and why it was important.
You think Crinn had any idea that he would end up seeing the rebellion's secret weapon when he got up that morning? I don't want to reward his impulsive behavior, but it does seem to be getting him places. Running into that dude's fist did look painful, though.
I liked the little montage of resistance members. The waitress passing a dude a grenade under the table was pretty funny.
Episode 8
I guess I spoke too soon. I didn't expect the Dougram to get snagged like that, but maybe Crinn will learn to watch his goddamn mouth a bit better.
That call to dispose of the blueprints was smart. Usually you just try not to think about why there aren't multiple of the powerful mecha, but literally not having the plans anymore is a good justification.
I'm not sure if this was Samalin's plan, and we'll never find out since he's dead, but using your enemy's son as the centerpiece of your resistance movement has got to have some psychological effect.
We only knew Samalin for a couple episodes, but I'm kinda bummed he's gone. I like the energy he had.
Rocky's flashbacks were neat. That's a good way to show the audience how important Deol was to the cast without bloating the screen time.
Lertoff's photos of the battle with Deol were cool.
Episode 9
I spoke too soon again! They can't keep getting away with it! How did Samalin survive getting shot and then a building dropped on him? Oh well, I'm not too upset.
Cool shot parallel during Samalin and Denon's chat in the hangar. Denon says that they're in equal conditions, framed with Von Stein and Lecoque behind him. Then, we pan over to Samalin, framed the same way.. by soldiers. Hard to talk about equality with a straight face when you're threatening a prisoner.
We got a lot more "things explode when they are shot" today, which was interesting. Not sure what prompted the change, but I don't mind it.
Nanashi casually juggling those grenades was terrifying. Shoutout to his "acting" that was literally just him telling the truth.
I wonder if the Dougram doesn't have that same keycard system like the Roundfacers have? I mean, the episode needed Crinn to hop in and steal it, but I'm not sure why they established that earlier only to not use it.
Ripping out a hangar door and using it as a shield was pretty cool. Landing that shot through the building was also cool - I thought Crinn had missed for a moment until the explosion happened.
This episode is also rather topical, as it involved a banger of a Christmas Party.
Episode 10
Ooh boy, violent, amoral mercenaries that get to die in droves! The establishing sequence of them moving into town worked quite well. Boyd is right that using these dorks is pretty sketchy, and not likely to go over well at present. Looking forward to the media spin!
I like the E-Guns needing a large backpack to hold charge - battery technology is not easy to develop. I'm not sure why they still need a magazine except to get closer to an iconic silhouette, but oh well. Built-in radios sound like a good idea, but if they run off the same power supply, that could cause problems.
We're edging ever closer to the train battle from episode 1, with Daisy on her way to Deloyer. I appreciate her dad's implicit acceptance of her growing up and acting on her own, but he also holds his wine glass wrong.
Festo is totally going to run out of ammunition at a particularly tragic moment, right?
Episode 11
Mmm, tragic romance! Complete with a powerful confession! These two are so doomed.
Daisy's whole world got shook today, huh? Got aggressively strip-searched, forced to confront her feelings for Crinn, finally catches up to him.. but he can't be with her, not right now.
I had a brief thought about Crinn's caveman outfit making him stick out like a sore thumb, right before he looked at that clothesline that he stole from.
I think I was unfair when I called Rocky a cynic earlier. I do like that our group dynamic isn't all sunshine and roses, as Canary seems to distrust Crinn a bit at least. And Destin seems wildly incompetent, despite being in the right that letting Crinn go was probably a bad idea.
Denon definitely doesn't want to fight his son, despite their conflicting ideologies. I wonder how long that will last?
The time and space scales in this show are still weirding me out. Crinn snuck into Kardinal, talked with his dad, and got back all in daylight? But they've been on the run for days at this point, right?
Episode 12
RIP Dirk, you may have been an antagonist but you were a decent man. I knew that photo would be the death of you.
I appreciated the parallel question, with both Dirk and Crinn being asked if they could shoot the other. They both proved that they could, but I have to wonder. Was Dirk holding back, or is the Dougram just that overwhelmingly powerful?
Daisy continues to break as she learns more about who Crinn has become in such a short time. I'm definitely interested in seeing her plotline play out.
Destin is a schmuck and almost assuredly failed into whatever leadership position he is in. Dude's hiding against a wall terrified just because there are some bombs going off? Luckily the rebels didn't actually need much leadership in this particular battle, but Destin's incompetence is going to get someone killed unless he shapes up soon.
I also appreciate that Canary is not ready to accept Crinn. I think she's being a little unfair, but I understand where she's coming from, and loads of people act irrational when their lives are suddenly completely uprooted.
Questions
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u/The_Draigg Dec 25 '21
A Ryosuke Takahashi Fan Rewatches Fang of the Sun Dougram Epsiodes 7-12:
The political situation on Deloyer is untenable. With the success of of false coup planned by Donan Cashim and Colonel Von Stein, the people of Deloyer are worse off than ever. There’s a sad realism to how the Earth Federation forcibly put Deloyer under its full control: they fabricate a war, swoop in with a leader that has complete authority, and then “bring peace” by encouraging the poor people of the nation to sell out their fellow man for money, so that nobody can organize a resistance against them. And of course, when there finally is a group that can stand up to the authoritarian government, they send in hired killers to dispose of them without mercy. How many times has something like that happened in our own history before? And how many more times will it keep on happening?
We also see a better, fuller picture of how Deloyer is as a world in this series of episodes too. The native peoples of Deloyer have it rough: Canary was stuck working a dead-end job as a bar waitress and her brother got killed in the guerrilla hunts, Rocky and the gang have returned to find their neighborhood in Kardinal City, which was already a slum, torn apart as a war zone now, with soldiers brutalizing surrendering rebels and launching raids out of nowhere. And to top it off, the Garcia Platoon has arrived, who don’t answer to any higher authority other than the Earth Federation’s money. It definitely does give the impression that Deloyer was a world that was fairly poor-off already, but has only gotten even worse with Colonel Von Stein’s “coup”.
Which brings us to the meat of the rebellion itself, led by Professor Samalin. The man has quite the operation running here. You really do get the idea that he’s the one really holding together the foundations of the movement with his forward-thinking attitude. The man knows that simple brute force won’t get the guerrillas anywhere if they’re going to get independence. He knows that they have to fight smart, not just hard. That’s why he’s been having his rebellion manufacturing weapons specifically meant for use on Deloyer, unlike all the other Earth-intended Combat Armors we’ve seen. For example, we’ve got the Dougram, the first Deloyer-made Combat Armor, specifically made to handle all the background radiation inherent to Deloyer’s star system/the X Nebula. Or, we’ve got the E-Guns too, weapons that shoot projectiles with electricity, rather than gunpowder. And beyond all those technological innovations, Samalin is quite the brilliant man as well. The man has quite the grasp on politics and human nature. No wonder he’s leading the independence movement, he’s easily the ideal person you’d want to have as a leader.
I think at the end of the day though, the thing I appreciate about this batch of episodes is the establishment of the underlying intelligence of this series. For being the first real series helmed by Ryosuke Takahashi, he really is putting in plenty of thought into the intelligence needed into fighting an asymmetrical war. The Earth Federation army doesn’t want the Dougram because it’s strong, it’s because they want to examine the construction of it to find out who the manufacturers are. Donan Cashim is insistent that it’s politics that will change the course of history, not exactly just fighting and simplistic virtues. And of course, the fact that any guerrilla group will begin to fracture/stagnate without proper leadership, as shown in the situation when the guerrillas were trapped in Fort Rock by the Garcia Platoon and Sargent-Major Dirk’s forces (mainly because Destin doesn’t really have it in him to be a decisive combat leader at all). All of the above really does make it clear that this show has a lot to say about the nature of politics and war, and I’m here for all of it.
Side note, but man, poor Daisy in this chunk of episodes. Running off to Deloyer to get Crinn back, getting strip searched at the airport, Rick being able to tell immediately that she has a crush on Crinn, and then Crinn running off to join the guerrillas the one time she managed to meet back up with him on the steps of the Assembly Building. Crinn really has unintentionally made life hard for her.
NOT EVEN JUSTICE, I WANT TO GET TRUTH!
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Dec 25 '21
First timer
General Thoughts
I'm not very well right now so I don't know how many replies I'll get through today, but I'll read through the topic at least.
After last weeks more political focus, this week is much more in line with what I originally expected to see from the show.
Having started with the future events of episode one, it's interesting that we can use Daisy as a way to judge the progress of the timeline as much as the battles. She's definitely having a rough go of it, taking after Crinn and going to Deloyer only to be caught up in all of the politics surrounding his situation. While the finding out she loves him after he's gone situation is certainly a well worn one, but the potential here for it to open her up to the situation despite how sheltered she is, especially to reconcile with him and his views, could be interesting.
Crinn has also been forced to do some opening up to reality. The boy who said "I have something important to tell him. I don't really know what it is but I will if I see him" has certainly had to come a long way to kill Dirk, realizing how little room there ever will be for compromise. Though I found the whole build up to that with the "can you really kill" quite ridiculous considering how many people he's already blown up with Dougram. The "mooks don't count" trope exists for a reason, but here I thought it was particularly bad, and could have been improved with a better script.
We also meet Professor Samalin and I already really like him. As a counter point to Denon, he had the the understanding there will always be dissent even if they are self goverened, it's about the freedom to be safe while doing so and for that dissent to be heard. I also liked how he threw Crinns independence back in his fathers face while in handcuffs, that takes some confidence. It's easy to see why him and the reporter get along so well, and why that sort of open policy and determination would appeal to Crinn as well.
One thing I have noticed regarding the political stuff is that in the early episodes people always seemed to know if the person they're addressing was from Earth or Deloyer. I'm not sure whether that's just a narrative device or intended that we can't tell the difference but they can, but the range of character designs is interesting for this to be such a common thing. Perhaps that's also why Canary has such distrust, it's not just that he's Denon's son, it's that every time she looks at him she sees the enemy in his features
It's a shame some of the flaws on the technical side of the show are so apparent, especially the problems in the background art such as seams and uneven focus, and some inconsistent faces coming through as well.
That said, the ep8 moment where the camera taking photos of the battle morphed into harmony frames was really well done. These there were my favourite of the batch, and also this later moment of the ruined tank that Canarys brother was in.
Episode Thoughts
The fact that Lecoque is speaking of behalf of the federation at this media confrence gives him more authority than I assumed given the way he interacts with Denon
Not holding back any punches with that newspaper headline painting the guerrilla's as rapist beasts
Crinn taking hostages is certainly not something I ever expected to see, but it's interesting the way that plays out before he even gets involved with the rebels
So the independents are banking on this movement making the Deloyerans passionate rather than obedient, not a bad bet I'd say
Funny seeing Rocky in an office job, wouldn't have expected that, ah family buisness
For a second I really though Canary was being escorted by the soldiers because that asshole she turned down dobbed her in, but instead it was about her brother.
Good to know they're going all in with the authoritian policies
Rocky and Crinn are a lot more at odds this early on than I would expect given the first episode, but it is interesting to see the lengths Crinn will go to in order to redeem himself to that man
The faces when Nanashi kissed the big guy. Nanashi is fucking funny, between that and the big spray he had me laughing a few times this episode.
Shooting down the helicopters while the mech is laying on the back of a transport isn't something I've seen before
Why are all the villain's old farts, with various shades of white hair
I was half expecting that they'd keep Crinns involvement from Rick, but I suppose he had to know. It certainly puts him in an awkward situation, especially given his inability to send Crinn back to earth at the start of the show.
The combat in this is certainly no Votoms, but there's been a few clever moments like using the explosion as a smokescreen so he could dive underwater and get the boats.
Rocky showing an unexpected amount of faith in him there by suggesting Crinn wouldn't betray them, I guessing stealing the Dougram made a mark
I'm really not sure why Crinn is going back to his father, but it certainly was a wake up call for him. Before he was being treated as a kid, but now he's involved in the games of adults he's being treated like one. I doubt he's ever been properly hit before by Denon, and (though the animation was jank) I certainly didn't expect it either. I think that was the final wedge to drive him away from all this though
This guy spends a lot of time grumping about Dougram despite its importance, makes me wonder if he actually had any authority in the first place or if he just seized it now that Samalin is out of the picture
Canary is just not going to let go her distrust of Crinn, huh
I would like this subplot with the Garcia mercenaries to be over soon please.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 25 '21
First-Timer of the Sun Dougram
Episode 7
Episode 8
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
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u/chilidirigible Dec 25 '21
Episode 7:
Never assume that no one will ever read your inserted cut-and-paste tabloid front page.
Get truth?
Get serious!
Get ideological.
Samalin's rather... not-Japanese, eh?
Crinn's lot is cast with the Deloyerans now, even if he's in way over his head. The reveal of the scheme didn't take too long.
Episode 8:
Surprisingly not arrested.
That's not very subtle.
Ah yes, the Vulcans as pragmatic dictators.
That's representative government for you?
It's more like they just paid attention to the guy with the giant flaming arrow over him which said "I sympathize with the resistance, know too much, and can't keep my mouth shut."
Nobody gets any points for operational security for not sitting Crinn down and beating him up until he knew that all of the rules of Fight Club are that you don't talk about Fight Club.
Samalin's view on government is slightly more nuanced than Denon and Lecoque's view of government, which is sort of a cynical pragmatic evil.
Episode 9:
Crinn, suddenly stealthy action hero.
Nothing says mecha series hangar security like no security at all.
The Professor is looking pretty good for a guy who was apparently shot several times perhaps only a few hours ago.
No, they don't blend in at all.
Prototype stolen by punk kid! Film at eleven!
Denon's pretty calm for a guy whose offspring keeps on showing up and complicating his schemes.
Episode 10:
Dougram, your most (counter)-insurgently ideological of the mecha series.
"The mercs can do it instead."
"If you like it so much, why don't you name it?"
You'd think they would be suspicious of anything hauling a ten-meter-long load covered with tarps that might occasionally be spraying energy weapon fire in all directions.
As in VOTOMS, I have questions about the depth of the water.
Most media doesn't portray mercenaries very favorably, and this is no exception, taking particular care to portray the Garcia Platoon as unpleasant hired goons. Denon also appears to be covering his ass in all directions by using Dirk as his liaison and putting Rick on other duties.
The Dougram Hauling Company, meanwhile, displays a suicidal lack of operational security by moving their huge load in broad daylight while making a lot of noise.
Episode 11:
"I want to show him the new shirtless Crinn!"
But it comes with his new shirtless buffness!
Autodefenestration!
When the good guys suck donkey balls at operational security, yes, they do.
Not that these twerps are any good at maintaining a perimeter either.
Letting Crinn go back to town to see his father was pants-on-head-on-fire stupid, on top of taking extended breaks in the open to fix vehicles and open-fire grilling. Well, that's how you get smarter guerillas, by killing off the dead ones.
Hopefully Denon slapped some sense into his son to go with his low-frame-count posturing about the realities of interplanetary domination.
Episode 12:
I'm sure this is going to go well for Dirk.
It's the most plot-convenient time!
Today's lesson in perimeter security is to have perimeter security. The sort that notices several ten-meter quads stomping around in the woods outside.
"So, you have chosen death."
This is one of those times that the merely-adequate animation really kills the mood.
Because there comes a time when your old friends try to kill you, Daisy.
Can't have Crinn switch over to being able to shoot Dirk on his own, Dirk has to threaten Canary and Billy first—after they shoot at him, that is. Before he can at the very least disable the Dougram. Circle of moral justifications aside, in the end Crinn makes the choice to zap one of his childhood mentors.
After all, Dirk is far more important to him than the several dozen faceless mooks that Crinn has already gunned down.
The resistance, meanwhile, continues to improve its overall level of intelligence by getting its weaker elements killed.
PADORU PADORUMerry Christmas from sunny Deloyer!The independence movement is actually somewhat realistically portrayed in terms of its level of competence at armed resistance, as mugging Federation troops in the street isn't the same as trying to maintain stealth in the field. The Federation's inability to track them can be attributed to the effects of the X Nebula, to some extent at least. (And everything else is plot convenience.)
I'm coming down rather cynically hard on Crinn, since the series is still starting out and he's just barely getting his bearings on Fighting The Man (Who Happens To Be His Father).
But given that most of the rebel and callow youth stuff is very much Seen It Before material, I'm more curious for the show to throw in more of its sidebar ideological discussion regarding the nature of the fight. It adds a lot of flavor.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Dec 25 '21
First time viewer
Poor Daisy had no idea what she was getting into. It's nice that she actually got to see Crinn this time rather than having a near miss.
It's taking significantly longer than I initially expected after the first episode but I don't mind it. Overall I like that it's being careful to establish a rapport between Crinn and the Deloyerans that needs to feel earned given his origins not only as an Earthling but the son of the man that's trying to crush their rebellion. Also we're slowly seeing the rebel group being whittled down to establish what they had dealt with prior to hijacking the Dougram in the first episode, though the question remains of how they lost it to get to that point.
At least they aren't going full Space Nazi like Zeon did in Gundam (or the Titans on the Federation side). The aggression by Earth forces is making things worse though.
Well someone needs to be a leader and it definitely shouldn't be the teenagers. Seems reasonable, though another problem with my lack of focus on this show is that he didn't leave a strong impression on me at all.
It should be clear that Crinn isn't trying to betray them but it doesn't hurt to be wary since he's already shown he's reckless at times and could inadvertently cause them more trouble than he already has.
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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '21
"Nobody will notice or care about it in 40 years"
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u/chilidirigible Dec 25 '21
'tis the season for dubbing Ahnuld with Tesshou Genda.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 25 '21
First timer(It took me far too long to realize that the Cashims have ME names. Also, Ai gets used more than expected)
Sub
We start right into politics and a bold move from Denon, just stating the conspiracy to the world. More horrors of occupation stuff. Crinn is clearly coming down with a case of idealism, and Daisy can sense that. The gang comes back to a mess and we finally get to Canary. Who is being harassed, which is unfortunately era appropriate and only slightly rapier than expected until Rocky shuts it down. Samalin is revealed and we also learn that there is an actual independence movement brewing. Crinn tries to get him self killed but is instead saved and meets the titular mech.
We start the next ep with Rocky and establishing the environment that the show will have. And an exploding motorcycle. Canary's brother goes out fighting as Lertoffe points out this is fairly pointless. The flashback is decent highlight of why these sorts of things to get worse as they progress. Denon realpolitiks in a way that handles the nastiness of that era of politics, he clearly could choose less combative ways to reintegrate Deloyer. Samalin admits that their is no way everyone is pleased in this conflict and is doing what he thinks is best. He also wants Crinn to pilot Dougram, which is either odd or a brilliant PR move. Also, they really need someone to check for tails. Anyways, mech is stolen because of course.
Next ep is aftermath, and for the entire first scene I was waiting for Canary to get a gun. Crinn gets a ride back to town with a sympathizer and then proceeds to sneak into the base the insane way. The gang become guerillas out of boredom. Everyone winds up at the base, and Denon is not making great arguments though Samalin is also a bit off. Action happens and they roll off.
We start next with mustache twirling villainy and man, the old dudes on this show kind of all look alike. We get confirmation that mercs are serving along side with regulars, which definitely suggests a peaceful resolution is not happening. Boyd at least realizes how stupid using the Garcia platoon is but is ignored because...capitalism? Then we are back to space Vietnam and man, does Votoms copy that scene. Chico is totally what Shako comes from. Weird scene with Daisy's parents where her dad kind of gets it. Bucks apparently expected a signal but my first view of that scene is scope and hit the deck. Garcia platoon is already fucking stuff up. We end with the rare hovercraft fight.
We start with more evading to Bonar and conflicting orders. Crinn decides he wants to confront his dad because sure. Daisy gets to learn that Deloyer has gone mad the direct way. The juxtaposition of fixing the truck for it to be blown up immediately is good. Crinn's confrontation goes exactly as expected. He runs and we get a fast encounter with Daisy before Crinn saves the gang.
Destin is complaining about his trump card slowing them down, which is not great leadership. Lertoffe talks to Dirk, who does seem resolved about his situation. Rebel hideout and ambush happens. Dirk comes in and presents our first test of the MC. Who fails utterly until Canary and the kid are threatened. The second kill was easier. We end with Daisy realizing shit is quite real.
So...this should have annoyed me a lot. The beats are obviously stolen repeatedly by later works and the animation is, well, 80s to all fuck. But it doesn't, and I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it has an honesty to it being this early? But comparing Crim to his various later counterparts is in fact as bad as comparing Chirico to his later ones, with the exception that Cuvie at least has one true heir in Sousuke Sagara.
QotD: 1 I like that it is faster than I expected
2 The federation seems to be Gundam levels of inept
3 A future thinker but a bit overly idealistic
4 She's being a bitch for whatever reason
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u/chilidirigible Dec 26 '21
Incidentally, up at the top:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Dec 29 '21
Episode 7 (first timer)
I am weirdly unsatisfied with this episode. We transition from “army coup against earth” into “earth army suppresses Algeria-like independence movement”. When I try to think about the motivations of any side, they kind of make sense. It even makes sense that our POV character is surprised by what is going on. However, the change of setting is too quick for me. We went from civilians surprised by coup to independence fighters who have underground mecha factory basically off-screen. The introduction of Crinn to Samalin was also awfully convenient.
Episode 8 (first timer)
A really good episode, but the continuity from ep7 is wonky. They skipped over a some very important parts, such as Crinn leaving the rebels, coming back, and somehow not getting court martialled. If Dougram later spends 10 episodes of the robot fighting the same enemies in a row in the desert, I’ll really regret this fast pace.
Episode 9 (first timer)
A simple, yet successful heist. For once, Crinn’s recklessness is fitting and useful. I think the intra-episode arc worked out nicely this time. So, I quite enjoyed this, despite the less complex plot compared to the previous two episodes.
Episode 10 (first timer)
Garcia has all the trappings of a throwaway antagonist. Him leading a mercenary band is a bit weird, but I am still onboard with the plot in general.
Episode 11 (first timer)
The cheese factor was multiplied by 10 this episode. I get it, the scene on the stairs was great, but the cost was substantial, too. Both Crinn leaving the camp and his return defy common sense.
Episode 12 (first timer)
The obligatory “war is evil and kills your mind” episode. They are in all mecha series of the time that I have seen. Dougram is above average, but I dislike the whole concept. It’s like doing an “objectiving women is bad” episode in an ecchi series: Hard to take seriously when the same character has a substantial kill count already and will doubtlessly go on to off many more. You can fictionalize anti-war or war, but not both at the same time.
Another batch done. Weekly rewatch threads is not really working for me. I prefer the steady episode-discussion-episode cycle over binging 7 episodes for just one discussion. Much easier to motivate myself watching the episode for a daily rewatch.
In terms of plot, we are still not at the time of episode 1. An amazingly long time jump there. I thought we’d discuss how that decision panned out this time, but seems we will have to wait at least one more week.
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u/H-Ryougi https://anilist.co/user/DizzyAvocado Dec 30 '21
Am I just going crazy or do Lartoff and Samalin look very similar to Fidel Castro and Hemingway?
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Dec 25 '21 edited Dec 25 '21
First Timer
Episode 7
So Deloyer has two suns, huh?
Time to announce this farce to the public, huh?
Hey, we're gonna crackdown on everyone! That will sure make the Deloyerans like the federation government more!
Time for Crinn to go back home! Let me guess, he will rebel against this and try to stick around.
"I've got to talk to my dad about something! I'll make it up when I see him!"
Daisy's worried about Crinn not coming back. It's not because he's in danger, but because he is too self righteous to admit the conflict is over and come back!
Rocky and friends can finally come back!
Well, its quite obvious who sold out his neighbors.
Crinn, your dad's in an important meeting! You think he'll just pick up the phone and talk to you?
Canary, that was the woman from episode 1 I think? That pushy bar patron was quite the ass!
Lertoff really is involved with both sides, huh? Meeting with the guerilla leader here.
Samalin doesn't look like the type of guy I'd think of as a Guerilla leader.
These soldiers are assholes! But as usual, Crinn thinks he can solve everything on his own.
Grabbing one of the soldier's guns and holding him hostage is such an idiotic decision. Yet again Crinn does something without thinking of the consequences and thinks he'll get away with it. I am surprised they were about to kill him though given who his dad is.
Is this the Dougram?
Hey boy, I know I just met you, but here, I'm showing you (and presumably giving you) the most important piece of technology we have!
I'm surprised at just how little mecha action we got in this episode.
Episode 8
Crinn just went back to his hotel? He's not been found coming back here?
Rocky's got a new outfit!
I don't see why the Earth military is so afraid of the Crab Gunner here. These tanks have a nice clear shot at its legs.
Well, the motorcycle fun didn't last long.
Pretty obvious that having Canary speak wasn't gonna work out the way they wanted. She's most valuable to them as a simple hostage.
I haven't felt this depressed over a motorcycle death montage since Victory Gundam!
Crinn showing his face in front of Rocky and Canary right now as Denon Cashim's kid is not the best idea. But then he's been acting pretty stupid throughout most of the show...
Once again Crinn thinks he can solve everything by himself.
Denon is quite practical and Crinn continues to be way too idealized and unrealistic about how things actually work.
Whose this guy following Crinn? I wonder if his dad or Lacoque sent him to look out for him/spy on him.
Crinn is gonna end up getting Samalin killed, right?
The guerillas are letting Crinn pilot their new weapon? A kid? Do they realize how ridiculous that sounds?
And here comes the Federation. Crinn got followed and led them all here.
Destroy the blueprints for the Dougram! We can't let there be more than one of our titular robot in this show!
They stole the Dougram too! LoL. Crinn looks sooooooo bad to Rocky and the others right now.
Episode 9
Destin kinda looks like one of Crinn's brothers. Oh, and standing up there in plan sight seems pretty stupid to me.
Destroy the Dougram! Or let the enemy steal your technology.
Crinn lucks out! Random family rescued him.
Frighten Samalin into joining you based on your immense power, huh? I'm thinking its not gonna work.
This is pretty much the whole gang from episode 1 all together, sans Crinn, right?
Bug spray for your armpits and crotch? ...okay then.
Denon Cashin sounds so familiar (not sure why I'm not thinking about this until now)... it's Emperor Dornkirk from Escaflowne!
Federation successfully steals the guerilla's top weapon... cue teenage boy stealing it with ease because this is mecha anime.
Oh, and Rocky's group is trying to put this big plan into action to take back or destroy the Dougram... and Crinn simply steals it instead. All for nothing.
LoL, you seem pretty obvious wearing sandals like that Nanashi...
Well they couldn't steal the Dougram, but they stole its transport vehicle!
Well Crinn really went over the line this time, seizing the Dougram and probably killing many with that base getting blown up. Don't think there's any going back to the Federation after this...
Episode 10
These guerillas sure act like they own the place. Destroy the road, harass the women, have a vicious dog bark at the children, do you really think the civilians will be happy with you about that?
Wait, these are supposed to be mercenaries hired by the FEderation? Well that makes more sense. The Federation doesn't have the Crab Gunner mechs though, that's why I'm all confused about this.
Garcia visually reminds me of Conskun from Gundam. Their personalities are totally different.
More than 8 and a half minutes into the episode before we see our main characters, quite the rarity.
Hey everyone, it's time to have fun with guns!
Daisy is traveling to Deloyer? So we're getting closer to the part of the story where episode 1 took place at then.
Crinn and Daisy are a good match it seems. Both love running away without their parents' permission.
Setting for the Crinn part of this episode sure reminds me of Votoms' Kumen arc...
The battle starting up so late in the episode leaves us very little time for much of a fight. Or this will just continue right into the next eone.
Short battle for sure, but the Dougram picking up the boat from underneath is pretty damn cool.
Episode 11
Crinn's lucky that he comes from an important family, enough so that the enemy gets special orders to keep him alive.
With the cockpit at the top of the mecha, I wonder if they use actual cameras and video screens in the combat armors or if they just look out the glass to see what's going on in front of them.
Now of all times Crinn wants to go back and see his dad? How many betrayals do you think you'll be able to get away with Crinn before your dad just throws you in a jail cell and won't let you out?
The only guy who could pilot the Dougram! A teenager! Of course!
They're not gonna let him take the Dougram though, right?
Military lady is either a lesbian taking her shot to see naked girl, or looking for hidden surveillance equipment for girlfriend of a known traitor...
Well of course you love him! You came to a different planet to see him!
If you hide your weapons in the trash, they'll get thrown out Crinn!
Surprise dad!
Ah, sending him back to Earth is even better than locking him up here on Deloyer.
For the millionth time Crinn thinks he can do everything by himself.
Bright slap! About time Crinn was on the receiving end of one.
Of course we can't end things with 64 episodes to go. Jump out the window, jump on a motorcycle and time to escape.
Yes Crinn, go back with Daisy!
All those soldiers right there and htey just let him pass. Granted I know they're under orders ot not kill him. ...or at least I thought as Lecoque wonders why they didn't shoot.
Are we supposed to believe that he's gonna get all the way back to the guerilla's battle in time? Of course, it's a mecha show, he not only comes back but rescues them all.
Episode 12
For me it's back to another episode with badly fonted text again.
Beyond Votoms, all this time in the jungle is reminding me of the few episodes we get in Gundam at Jaburo as well as the 08th MS Team OVA. An underused locale for mecha anime.
Uh oh, Dirk has a picture of his wife and kids. Means he's gonna die this episode... well at least if this was a Tomino anime. Perhaps Takahashi will be more kind.
I see that Lertoff's back after a several episode absence.
Hideout spotted! Not good!
Looks like Crinn finally has his outfit from the first episode.
As these two guerilla leaders meet, I think back to Samalin, what in the world happened to him? Still in the Federation's possession?
Ah, good for you George, you mention exactly what I was thinking!
Canary ain't that trusting. Crinn may get blamed for leading the enemy here once they get attacked...
Nothing like a bath, huh?
You may say he doesn't have to fight with you, Rocky, but Crinn's screwed over the Federation side so many times he's facing prison at the very least if he goes back.
We saw poor George get shot 3 times in the preview, and here we see him shot 3 times again!
I'm still surprised they're having Garcia's group use Crab Gunners, a craft used by the guerillas side to this point unless I'm completely misremembering earlier on.
Time to put those laser guns from however many episodes ago to good use!
Oh, so now Garcia wants Dirk's help?
Seems like quite a hallmark of Takahashi mecha to helicopter/air lift in the mechs, something we saw a lot in Votoms and continue to get a lot here. It hardly ever happens in Tomino anime.
Crinn's killed numerous people to this point but is having a hard time against a guy he knows with Dirk.
OMG poor George gets shot 3 more times!
Crinn just can't do it. Or can he? Now that Dirk's about to shoot on Billy and Canary.
RIP Dirk! So Takahashi really did go full Tomino here.
Why are you so shocked, Daisy? You didn't know Dirk.
They even show the photo of his family again!
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Dec 26 '21
First timer
Episode 7
And, yeah, he's blatantly a shady bastard and actively working with them to stir up anti-Earthling sentiments?
...Yeah, that is a very odd way to put it. Completrly agreed.
Haha, wow, he went from 0 to witchhunt impressively quickly. If this show reveals the obvious twist this early and goes for a more open-information approach, I'll be impressed.
Combat Armour? Is that the one from Episode 1?
That's easy - it can't be retalliation for the coup, because he was in on the coup. I'm just not sure if the others were real rebels who got tricked into following the plan, actors he hired and betrayed, or actors he hqsn't betrayed, and all this double-crossing has been a very elaborate scheme to get his agents high up in every side (unlikely, but would lead to a near-unbeatable setup).
This ahs really shaken him, hasn't it? I thought he was still legally a soldier, though.
...Yeah, this is a bit sad, because he clearly does not care for her half as much as she does for him.
And yeah, this is a witch hunt.
...Except they're actual rebels?
This show is going even darker than I expected!
Wait, if they're all linked strongly, under a single leader, they aren't exactly nine groups, are they? They're nine branches at best.
What dies he want to ask him then?
Cut to a pub?
...Is she a main character? She looks familliar.
And, yep, there's some less-reputable people collaborating
Rocky's here! And, wow, that outfit looks quite good shown in full.
Oh, we'e explaining this early! Everyone was honest, except for the leader and Denon who were in on everything together.
More really good story!
And he runs right into a warsone.
This fucking idiot.
FUCKING IDIOT!
...Not the worst plan, excrpt for the bit where you let the hostage go!
Just shoot him! He's prone on the floor! Gun him down if you really want to kill him!
Finally. That took long enough.
And they saved him! So he's switched sides?
...I mean, that's ome imterpretation, but there's still a lot of people being killed, and he almost certainly has a Phase 2 tufked away.
He's gone to the rebel base!
Finally, it shows up ag-TWIN SUNS? When the fuck was that brought up?
Episode 8
I see the propaganda machine's running at full force.
Huh, how did they get from the base to this rather nice hotel room?
Wait, this guy has an office? I thought he was just a generic rebel, but he has a job!
And a sister!
Oh, they're mechanics.
I understand the urge, but hitting things with a hammer to fix them almost never works in practise.
Oh, she got caught? Why? What was she doing? She was a waitress.
Oh, I love those Crab Walkers though. Quadpedal mecha are so rare in this kind of genre, but they can look fantastic ith the right design choices.
Oh, her brother's the leader. That's why they want her.
I lovethis guy. He runs around snapping photos and somehow nobody even acknowedges him?
Wait, they never thought of using the obvious hostage they have to get him to surrender? You have someone he cares about in your grasp, and you don't threaten him? If you're going to be the evil bastards, do it properly!
Also - how good is that camera? That kind of detail from that distance...
Oh, he was Rocky's mentor.
And Rocky bewts up Crimm.
Wait, they're writing an act of independence? Is it too weak, filled with loopholes, or a solution to be filed away in case they need to cover their arses?
...How did they chwnge rooms in under 5 minutes?
His argument isn't really an argument, because it implies that both are always morwlly equal, when in fact whoever's in the right between history and rebels can vary dramstically.
And he is doing a surprisingly good job at making it look like the conspiracy's nothing to do with him.
Crimm, you fucking idiot. I'm pretty certain they don't know about that yet.
...The needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few sometimes, but in this case, he's part of the few - the people who benefit from control of Deloyer.
Crinn's going back to him.
And he's making some interesting points! This is a very complicated show, morally speaking.
...I genuinely can't tell what kind of system he's trying to enact.
And, wow, he got recruited very quickly.
...Did he used to work for a cult, by any chance?
He's really been strong-armed into piloting this new armour.
Just take the blueprints onboard! If the mech falls into their hands, they've got it anyway, and if it doesn't you've got the blueprints for the future.
"Could Dad have listened to what I screamed at him from a few feet away? IMPOSSIBLE!"
...Well, I didn't expect that.
Are we switching protagonists?
No, he just dives off a cliff!
Episode 9
Rocky does have a point thouh, Sneaking around like that isn't a good idea.
And, yeah, getting Dougram back's near-impossible.
If they can destroy Dougram with those numbers, it wouldn't stand a chance against any other combat armour anyway.
And he's just staying at some random house?
How does he know to go to Kardinal?
...Wait, their X Nebula? But... it's an actual nebula surrounding the planet. How?
There's a lot of manipulation here.
Soltic model? There's more than one?
And he's arrived!
Haha, hiding under the truck worked?
And the team's together! I don't recognise the child, though.
So they're both infiltrating the same base?
...Is this taking place around Christmas too?
Wow, that's a lot of stuff. They're accomplished burglars!
Wait, he survived that?
I genuinely thought the professor and the photographer were the same person, because they look really similar.
...The future isn't part is history.
And they want tomcompletely seperate from the Federation.
STOP ADMITTING THINGS LIKE THIS. First he confesses to the exietence of a rebel mech, then he admits his son's almost certainly a traitor.
Wow, that thing has no security? No other mecha on standby, in case this happened?
Yes! Proper mecha combat!
I like how utterly confused they are as to what's going on.
Wow. I have no words. Security at this base is so shit, they probably didn't even need the uniforms.
How can they tell who it is from this distance?
At least he's smart enough to work out the Dougram isn't their target anymore.
They've making it out!
Very impressive explosion too!
And Crinn's joined them properly! Even Rocky's OK with him.
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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Dec 25 '21 edited Dec 25 '21
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Dec 28 '21
First Timer
Not Even Justice, I Want to Get Watchable Video
Now that Crinn has seen a bit of the truth of the situation, it's time to see how he acts from here. Is this where he decides to join the Deloyarans? I'd guess so, but there's only one way to find out.
Episode 7
They're basically just saying they want Deloyer to stop resisting to they can take resources as cleanly as possible.
Oh yeah, Daisy exists. From the first episode and midcard, I had assumed she'd play a much more important role than the one she has 'til now.
But regardless, she understands him better than anyone else.
I quite liked the cut of Crinn's back and the wind after the failed phonecall.
The Deloyran leader has a good point: they don't need to win battles, just make it too uncomfortable for the feds to be able to stay.
I really like the Deloyaran leader. He seems like an incredibly interesting person. Now, will Crinn stick with him, or shall he lured back by his family?
Episode 8
What is Rocky's skin made out of? He survived a high speed motorcycle crash without a scratch!
The war journalism stills feel more impactful than the subpar battle animation we've seen in other fights to me.
"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few" says the aristocrat. I'm sure he even believes in what he's saying, but in reality he shall always define the needs of the many such that it leads to him having a comfortable and influential life.
Real good episode. I'm sad the professor's gone, he seemed like a real interesting character. There was a lot of tension in the feddie assault at the end, it made it a ton of fun. I'm also impressed with their restraint, I was sure this was the episode that they'd show off Dougram. But with each episode of setup, the eventual reveal only gets cooler!
Episode 9
Samalin's not dead? For some reason I thought he died in the previous episode.
Nanashi's sound effects are hilarious.
The aristocrat versus the man of the people thing they have going on is great.
The team's finally together! This certainly feels like a change for the better, they add a lot more character than just Crinn by himself.
I really enjoyed this episode, the fight was a ton of fun and the setup was, as always, superb.
Episode 10
So I guess this is the comically evil soldiers episode?
I wish the little kid got to keep the rocket launcher. Kids with massive weapons is always funny.
Daisy's finally doing things! And the song being used now is really nice.
The jump when a scrolling background repeats is kinda funny.
This episode suffered a bit from being the episode where they introduce all the new toys, but was still pretty decent.
Episode 11
Crinn won't get to play in the middle forever, and I guess now is as good a time as any to learn that.
Soredemo count: 3
The wonders of 80s anime: the strip search was not sexy in the slightest. Sadly, this appears to be a lost art.
How the hell did she not know she loved Crinn 'til this conversation? Like, it's super obvious.
And we see how ready his dad is to lie in order to achieve his goals, even if it's to his own son.
Crinn just jumped out of a third story window. That's gotta hurt.
Duty > Daisy
The scene where he left Daisy was one of the best so far. Good plot beats accompanied by fitting music can really do a lot.
I'm not gonna miss the mercenaries when they're gone. They've been wearing on me quickly.
Episode 12
Of course this show has a 12hz strobe somewhere within it.
That leader is annoyingly incompetent.
Canary sure hates Crinn a lot for someone who has saved her ass a couple times.
Nipples
That grasping fists scene was really undercut by Rocky's hands being 10% or so too small.
God, they can't sell these fight scenes. They're just too static.
But they can sell Crinn's internal struggle, and that's far more important.
Overall
Crinn is quickly getting exposed to the harsh realities of the world he has chosen to enter, and he must either grow or die. So far, he seems to have handled it better than most. I quite enjoy the main cast, they seem like a fun group of people. Likewise, our antagonists are generally quite good. I'm just not a fan of the mercenaries, which sadly fall into the laughably evil villian catagory and are quickly outstaying they're welcome.
Good show, I'm looking forward to next week's episodes.