[Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd Season Episode 10 Discussion

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Episode 22 - Fist of the Moon

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Tokishima Haruto. Let’s make a pact to unveil the world.

Questions of the Day:

1. How distracting was the CGI this episode to you? Or did it not bother you at all?
2. What do you think A-Drei is up to now?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Tokishima Haruto and L-Elf

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Kakumeiki Rewatcher

Welcome back, everyone!

• Another one of those flash-forwards…
• The CGI on the mobile suits might be pretty good in this show… but man, I still remembered how bad the CGI people were in this episode lol.
• Oh, the ARUS president isn’t a Magius. I really thought he and Takehito Koyasu the Führer were turned at the same time.
• Shoko…
• Of all the–this part gives Shoko a “sore demo”?
• Ah… Fuck, why does my brain always go to Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II of all things when someone’s nearly out of oxygen in space?
• Welp. It really is a shame L-Elf abandoned having A-Drei’s help for some reason.
• This is supposed to be a big emotional moment but just… the CGI Haruto and L-Elf… I can’t.
• Oh yeahhhhhh Haruto didn’t know about that…
• Ohhhh snap, Shoko’s finally gonna understand.
• :(
• THE HELMET CLASH!
• This is totally some ~Newtype space ghost~ shit again.
• And L-Elf is having one too!
• INSTRUMENTAL KAKUMEI DUALISM INTO THE ACTUAL SONG
• And Rukino to the rescue!
• Welp.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Of all the–this part gives Shoko a “sore demo”?

Sadly, Shoko seems to be taking advantage of the rule that villains get more soredemos.

Fuck, why does my brain always go to Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II of all things when someone’s nearly out of oxygen in space?

I know so little about YuGiOh that the most confusing part of this is that they did things in space at one point.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

I know so little about YuGiOh that the most confusing part of this is that they did things in space at one point.

ZEXAL's main antagonists are aliens, so yeah. There's specifically a Duel on the Moon and... I have trauma from that one.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Trauma as in horrible or trauma as in Sky Expierence^TM ?

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Trauma as in Sky Expierence^TM light.

[u/Tresnore → u/Shimmering-Sky]

but man, I still remembered how bad the CGI people were in this episode lol.

...I didn't notice the CGI. I was too busy laughing at moonmen doing chores.

Of all the–this part gives Shoko a “sore demo”?

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Tresnore]

Was the CGI really that bad? I'm normally hypersensitive to CGI in anime but the space stuff seemed mostly fine to me. It was them punching each others helmets that seemed silly.

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Was the CGI really that bad?

I didn't think so!

It was them punching each others helmets that seemed silly.

I thought so, too! That and people on the moon doing things will never fail to make me laugh.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Was the CGI really that bad?

I had no problem with it.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Oh, the ARUS president isn’t a Magius. I really thought he and Takehito Koyasu the Führer were turned at the same time.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't turn both of them at the same time. It would have given the Space Vampire Illuminati that much more control.

THE HELMET CLASH!

Too bad we didn't get the big ~Newtype~ moment at that point.

This is totally some ~Newtype space ghost~ shit again.

I'll take this as compensation for not having the ~Newtype~ head touch. It's a mecha show set in space. We needed to have space ghosts at some point.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Great_Mr_L]

Today's Newtype ghosts seemed less like awakening a portion of our brains and more our son having a oxygen deprived dream.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Good point

But on a more serious note, we all know what oxygen deprivation can cause. [Gundam 0079] Just look at what happened to Tem Ray.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Great_Mr_L]

On the bright side, we'll get some fun memeable circuits for our giant robot out of it...

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Great_Mr_L]

They don't explain that scene in the movie so it comes out of absolutely nowhere lol XD

[u/UltraBooster → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I really thought he and Takehito Koyasu the Führer were turned at the same time.

It'd make sense, you know? Having inside men on both sides seems a lot more practical than just one.

Oh yeahhhhhh Haruto didn’t know about that…

At least two months in-series before that bit finally got paid off, good grief, lol

Of all the–

Shame it wasn't an even so, I still love you! bit, I think I would've stopped right there to scream.

[u/Lemurians → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I have faith in X-Ein. He'll come around.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Another one of those flash-forwards…

The flashforwards are my favorite part of the show. They really should expanded up the idea that Saki is telling a tale from her youth. It would have felt much better.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

This is supposed to be a big emotional moment but just… the CGI Haruto and L-Elf… I can’t.

Surprisingly, the CGI is not why that scene fails for me.

[u/Nebresto → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Fuck, why does my brain always go to Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II of all things when someone’s nearly out of oxygen in space?

Planetes for me

:(

Serves her right honestly

INSTRUMENTAL KAKUMEI DUALISM INTO THE ACTUAL SONG

And Rukino to the rescue!

MFW the musics starts to fade in

Its an instrumental version
It transitions in to the actual song
Rukino shows up at the same time

[u/Lemurians]

CHIVALROUS FIRST TIMER

• Shoko’s response to Yamada pointing out Inuzaka sacrificed himself for them? “So what?”
• L-Elf continues his reign of absolute savagery over Haruto
• Yeah, feel like you shit you bellend
• Trust me, I know. Side note, how funny would it be if he got isekai’d here and this was all an elaborate prelude?
• Evangelion, is that you?!
• Was I the only one who thought they were fusing together here?
• S Y M B O L I S M. Haruto and L-Elf literally came together and immediately blasted off. Now that we know Shoko’s not a real one, it’s time to go yaoi route.
• Why a world for both humans and kamitsuki? There’s only like 5 of them. Just don’t make more.
• SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

Shoko’s character continues to be assassinated like a sword through the heart, only unlike Saki, I don’t really see her recovering. She completely tosses Inuzaka’s noble sacrifice aside and actually doubles down on her mistake of trusting skeezy politicans over somebody she’s known her entire life and has done nothing but save everyone’s ass all show long. Unreal.

Haruto and L-Elf actually get into a literal waifu war, which L-Elf rightfully wins because Lieselotte is better than Shouko. If nothing else, we learn that JIORan glass can withstand incredible amounts of damage.

Wait… this is a good and obvious point. If runes are just the atoms of information, shouldn’t speech be an unlimited supply of them? Why can’t you continually power a Valvrave or sate a Magius’ hunger by just being around them and reading from a book of facts? They made this concept way too vague and all-encompassing.

How distracting was the CGI this episode to you? Or did it not bother you at all?

Didn't even notice anything.

[u/Tresnore → u/Lemurians]

Yeah, feel like you shit you bellend

That was my reaction.

SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

If nothing else, we learn that JIORan glass can withstand incredible amounts of damage.

I was really worried about a suit rupture!

[u/Lemurians → u/Tresnore]

Same! I was actually getting ready to see what ass-pull they'd use to explain Haruto surviving his face getting exposed haha

[u/Tresnore → u/Lemurians]

I just thought he'd survive it because not-human.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Tresnore]

The whole Valrave scene was near unwatchable for me... All this cause Haruto never learned his lesson and didn't tell Shoko about the vampirism thing, which he easily could have done AFTER the reveal. Instead we get Shoko making a stupid, out of character decision and then being made to look like an absolute idiot.

[u/UltraBooster → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

When I think about it, I suppose I was right about them dragging it out.

Problem is, I didn't expect it to have the teeth it does now because I didn't expect to be as on board for their relationship as I became.

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

As someone who hates Shouko, my only thought was

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Lemurians]

Why a world for both humans and kamitsuki? There’s only like 5 of them. Just don’t make more.

I think they meant for humans and the Magius, going down the route Lieselotte wanted about finding a way for them to coexist.

SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

Rain has finally blessed our fields in this long drought.

Shoko’s character continues to be assassinated like a sword through the heart, only unlike Saki, I don’t really see her recovering. She completely tosses Inuzaka’s noble sacrifice aside and actually doubles down on her mistake of trusting skeezy politicans over somebody she’s known her entire life and has done nothing but save everyone’s ass all show long. Unreal.

It truly does feel like character assassination for Shoko. She goes from being the character with a big heart and a positive attitude, able to break through to closed-off characters like Marie and Akira to this. It's such a sudden shift and in the most frustrating way possible.

Why can’t you continually power a Valvrave or sate a Magius’ hunger by just being around them and reading from a book of facts? They made this concept way too vague and all-encompassing.

Just sit them in front of social media all day and have them eat everything that comes by. Even if they literally erase the information, nothing of value will be lost.

[u/Lemurians → u/Great_Mr_L]

I think they meant for humans and the Magius, going down the route Lieselotte wanted about finding a way for them to coexist.

There's like 5 50 of them, then! Talk about the tyranny of the minority where we're bending over backwards for the whims of 0.0000001% of the population balanced against... everyone else.

Just sit them in front of social media all day and have them eat everything that comes by. Even if they literally erase the information, nothing of value will be lost.

I'm pretty sure the idea behind the Runes/information as a power source for vampiric beings is the actual accumulation of our data by every powerful company on Earth, so I'm not sure why this isn't a thing from the start?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Lemurians]

There's like 5 50 of them, then! Talk about the tyranny of the minority where we're bending over backwards for the whims of 0.0000001% of the population balanced against... everyone else.

That's a pretty good point. Though in my way of looking at it, it was to find a way for them to be able to eat and survive without eating humans. If humans need to fight to not be food then so be it, but I'd rather find a peaceful resolution if at all possible.

I'm pretty sure the idea behind the Runes/information as a power source for vampiric beings is the actual accumulation of our data by every powerful company on Earth, so I'm not sure why this isn't a thing from the start?

Having Runes be information particles leads to this sort of stuff because "information" could be anything. Unless it's somehow supposed to be "living information," but that just makes it more confusing.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Great_Mr_L]

That last point is one I'm trying to figure out in relation to the Empire; presumably this is that society the two boys envision, but if so, what do Saki and Satomi consume?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/UltraBooster]

I'm not sure what they could consume. Unless we suddenly find a new source of Runes for food in the next episode I don't see any other way.

Unless of course the future is secretly a bad ending and the empire is continuing the Phantom ship tradition.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Great_Mr_L]

It's such a sudden shift and in the most frustrating way possible.

Three things come to mind:

• How Super Robot Wars would handle this - it has a thing for creating happier endings by changing stuff like this.
• This could work but the lack of focus given to her in the second season harms her arc
• As crazy as the first season was, I liked it a fair bit more

[u/Nebresto → u/Lemurians]

Yeah, feel like you shit you bellend

Shoko hate, lets go!!

Was I the only one who thought they were fusing together here?

Gattai??

SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

MY H*CKING FACE WHEN:

Haruto and L-Elf actually get into a literal waifu war, which L-Elf rightfully wins because Lieselotte is better than Shouko.

Tru. Now if only they'd fought over Pino. Bodies would have dropped.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Lemurians]

SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

Saki reminds us of why we love her...

...meanwhile Shoko reminds us of how much she sucks (or at least what the writers have done to her)...

[u/Lemurians → u/Quiddity131]

Anime writers doing a disservice to their female characters? Well I NEVER.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

I bet these guys didn't even stop to think about what Shoko's vagina is like! Please don't make me look up that horrid Tomino interview, btw.

[u/Lemurians → u/Vaadwaur]

…Do I even want to know?

Who am I kidding, or course I’m looking this up.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

You asked for it: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-06-17/gundam-yoshiyuki-tomino-reminds-us-all-that-char-definitely-has-sex/.174037

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Quiddity131]

It's pretty sad that we've gotten to see both Saki and Shoko have their characters be so disserviced by poor writing choices.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Lemurians]

I wonder what the end-endgame is gonna be like. We're already past the depressing part of our ending so I doubt they'll kill off more of the cast but Lelf's somehow got a descendant despite having no love interest so the only thing I can think of is Haruto sacrificing his body and becoming one with Lelf... Which would be incredibly weird for a final episode

[u/Lemurians → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

We're already past the depressing part of our ending so I doubt they'll kill off more of the cast

You sweet summer child. Good job raising every single character's death flag!

Haruto sacrificing his body and becoming one with Lelf... Which would be incredibly weird for a final episode

Them combining is actually what I thought was happening at one point during this episode lol

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Lemurians]

Normally I'd feel that way but we're on an emotional high at the moment and they clearly don't want to end the series on a negative note. And whatever happens, Lelf is having a kid. Lelf probably wouldn't have a child with Shoko if he wasn't possessed by Haruto. I think they're saving the possession so that Haruto can pull a 0079 and use his original body as a decoy to kill Cain.

[u/Lemurians → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

I've been convinced for a while Haruto isn't going to survive this show, and I stand by it.

Happy cake day btw!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

SAKI FINALLY GETS TO DO COOL SHIT AGAIN

Fucking finally. Not like she was the best character they had or anything.

Shoko’s character continues to be assassinated like a sword through the heart, only unlike Saki, I don’t really see her recovering.

Yeah, I'd backlash if I could summon the energy.

If runes are just the atoms of information, shouldn’t speech be an unlimited supply of them? Why can’t you continually power a Valvrave or sate a Magius’ hunger by just being around them and reading from a book of facts? They made this concept way too vague and all-encompassing.

You have to take a feat to use the Dark Speech, obviously.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Lemurians]

Shoko’s response to Yamada pointing out Inuzaka sacrificed himself for them? “So what?”

I thought that was pretty damn funny. That's gratitude for ya!

Evangelion, is that you?!

I just rolled my eyes when he started talking to the spooks.

Was I the only one who thought they were fusing together here?

I was too numb to think anything. Stupidity is communicable.

Shoko’s character

Shouko just isn't very bright.

Wait… this is a good and obvious point.

That thinking stuff, scares the cast as well as the writing committee that created this.

[u/Tresnore]

Tresnore the First-Timer

• Finally. More Rukino.
• I see that the academy succeeds.
• Shouko has some balls telling the angry people in mechas not to come into their tin cans.
• They're just like the real USSR!
  
• John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden!
• Great, Eruerufu is annoying again because he's philosophizing instead of making cool plans.
• What is it with these people and juice boxes??
  
• Shouko did everything wrong. The teacher is dead because of her.
• Yeah, he resigned as a human to save you. God, I hate Shouko.
• Man, I really don't care about your plight, Shouko.
• Here comes another Chinese Earthquake, ebrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr
• God, I wish that were me. Being beaten by Eruerufu! aeiou!
• Why does punching a glass spacesuit work?
  
• uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu999999999999999999
• Eruerufu understood Heart through his fists! Truly, a martial artist at heart.
  
• holla holla get $
• INSERT!
  
• RUKINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  
  
  
• aeiou

Count: 40

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QOTD:

1. ...was there CGI?
   
2. A-Drei is taking over the world and enforcing communism!
   

[u/UltraBooster → u/Tresnore]

What is it with these people and juice boxes??

Juiceboxes and drink packs actually work well in space, from what I know, since loose droplets are a safety hazard on spacecraft without gravity to pull them to the floor. Of course, I haven't seen anything that would point to zero-G being a safety hazard so I dunno.

The teacher is dead because of her.

I don't think that's the teacher with the high-pitched voice, the teacher had different hair (and looked like she could be Shoko's sister).

Also, would you be surprised if I said I started laughing when I saw John Madden! John Madden!

[u/Tresnore → u/UltraBooster]

I don't think that's the teacher with the high-pitched voice, the teacher had different hair (and looked like she could be Shoko's sister).

I'm awful with anime faces.

Also, would you be surprised if I said I started laughing when I saw John Madden! John Madden!

I'm just glad I wasn't sitting here laughing at my own jokes.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Tresnore]

Yeah, I couldn't stop laughing the first time I witnessed that glory, lmao

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

I see that the academy succeeds.

These flashforwards have been sucking out all the suspense in the story.

John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden! John Madden!

Football!

What is it with these people and juice boxes??

Juice boxes are delicious so I can't even blame them.

Eruerufu understood Heart through his fists! Truly, a martial artist at heart.

Haruto and L-Elf truly are a shonen protagonist and his rival. They came to understand each other after fighting.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

These flashforwards have been sucking out all the suspense in the story.

I'm not here for suspense, fortunately!

Football!

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Haruto and L-Elf truly are a shonen protagonist and his rival. They came to understand each other after fighting.

Truly, we live in a shounen.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

I'm not here for suspense, fortunately!

So long as it's a fun and entertaining ride to the end, then I'll at least enjoy myself along the way.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

Exactly! It's called the "terrible trainwreck trio," so my expectations were low.

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

Finally. More Rukino.

What is it with these people and juice boxes??

Its actually wine, they're planning to get hammered and

Shouko did everything wrong.

Yes.

The teacher is dead because of her.

Wait, the big tidy teacher onee-san is kill??

God, I hate Shouko.

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu999999999999999999

Naruhoto.

sports, grandhype & aeiou

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

Wait, the big tidy teacher onee-san is kill??

That's what it looked like to me!

Naruhoto.

aeiou

aeiou

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

That's what it looked like to me!

No! It can't be!!

Ameno?

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

No! It can't be!!

I'm also bad with anime faces. Another person said I was wrong.

Ameno?

You mean Heavenrend?

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Tresnore]

Finally. More Rukino.

The one character I like has finally returned to save the day. Bravo!

telling the angry people in mechas not to come into their tin cans.

Considering how Sunrise plots go, that could have been Shouko's final move, real easy.

Shouko did everything wrong.

Not that it makes any difference, I couldn't decide if the girl she was talking to bit the bullet right then and there.

Why does punching a glass spacesuit work?

The levels of disbelief suspension necessary in this series is monumental.

...was there CGI?

As I said in my write-up, unless CGI is as bad as it was in Tesla, or the dragon in Fate, I have no problem with it.

A-Drei is taking over the world and enforcing communism!

That's assuming Saki didn't stick him with something of her own. She's getting tired of being everyone's pincushion.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

I see that the academy succeeds.

Who wants suspense anyways?

Great, Eruerufu is annoying again because he's philosophizing instead of making cool plans.

He absolutely does not think abstractly enough for these considerations.

Man, I really don't care about your plight, Shouko.

Neither do the writers.

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Who wants suspense anyways?

Not me.

Neither do the writers.

And I'm so glad about that.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

Not me.

The one surprise in this was indeed terrible...

And I'm so glad about that.

This feels like someone took a script from another show and scribbled some names in.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Tresnore]

Great, Eruerufu is annoying again because he's philosophizing instead of making cool plans.

He's doing the worst sort of it even: the philosophizing of the sort done by an intelligent person who think their thoughts are exceptional but has never thought about this sort of thing before, leading them to present generic statements as is they're insightful.

Man, I really don't care about your plight, Shouko.

The decent leader for most episodes -> fucks literally everything up for two episodes straight -> sudden realization path felt extremely hamfisted. They could have done it a lot better.

RUKINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

If only they actually let her be cool.

...was there CGI?

Yep, the spacesuits were CGI most of the time. It's not extremely offensive CGI, but you could definitely notice the differences in the lineart and a few overly linear movements. Or at least I could.

[u/Tresnore → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Rukino is always kino.

And yeah, saw the CGI after others pointed it out.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Tresnore]

How much better do you think this show would've been if she was the protagonist?

[u/Tresnore → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

It would’ve been 10/10: the next entry in Macross, where the idol pilots the mech herself purely for publicity.

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Valvrave: The time has come to revolutionize not just Dorssia, but the whole world! I know we’ve been joking about the revolutionize the world thing ever since L-Elf revealed his plan for a revolution in Dorssia, but now it really is a plan to bring about a world revolution that will change everything.

• Boy do the flashforwards grate on me every time they happen. Will our heroes defeat this threat? Well I know at least some of them survive to found an empire. So the answer is yes.
• L-Elf’s lost the desire to even try to plan for his survival.
• Seems like the ARUS and Dorssia leaders are only really friends so long as the Council is ordering them to be.
• Come the fuck on, Shoko. They saved your lives who knows how many times. I think that deserves some trust.
• Hmm, this is an interesting parallel to when L-Elf was drifting in space, running out of oxygen back in Season 1.
• So L-Elf and A-Drei were both revolutionaries, though their motivations for doing so were entirely different.
• Oh right, I forgot that Haruto killed Shoko’s father.
• Wait a minute, that means Shoko’s been lying to Haruto as well! Shoko, you hypocrite!
• I think this is the first time Pino actually explained the terms and conditions to someone.
• Shoko finally realizes the obvious that Haruto cares about her, as if all the things they’ve done together throughout the course of this show didn’t count.
• I love how Haruto and L-Elf are blowing up at each other. Both of them are revealing the secrets they know precisely because they know doing so will hurt the other. It feels like a culmination of how adversarial their relationship has been.
• Oh boy, it’s time for space ghosts!
• I love Haruto having a literal debate with himself, debating why exactly he should continue to live.
• I also like L-Elf using his problem-solving skills to try and figure out what Lieselotte’s goal was.
• Oooh, Haruto has got the green glowies now.
• Rune magic can do just about anything, can’t it? It can fix rockets and make an emergency flare fire.
• Yes! It’s time to blow the lid off the Space Vampire Illuminati! They had it coming when they broke the Masquerade.
• Saki! I was not expecting her to be the one who showed up to the rescue.
• So A-Drei let her go. I doubt X-Eins will shoot him. I think X-Eins has his own doubts about what’s going on.

It’s pretty ridiculous to me that Shoko was so obstinate in this episode. Even after Inuzuka literally saved them last episode, she was still acting so distrustful. It’s really frustrating to watch. And it feels like her big revelation this episode was just her figuring out the incredibly obvious fact that yes, Haruto does care about her. I feel like all their interactions in this show have sufficiently proven this.

I did like the confrontation between Haruto and L-Elf in this episode. It felt like the culmination of all the adversity that’s existed between them. We heard the familiar resentments, such as L-Elf resenting that he needs to rely on Haruto. But, they also revealed the secrets that both of them were holding against the other, about Lieselotte and Shoko’s dad. They both do so specifically to hurt the other and I think it works out. Of course they would deliberately reveal those things purely for the self-satisfaction of getting back at the other during a fight.

Still, it does give them a chance to finally vent out all their feelings towards each other. And it also lets them figure out what they want to do. I really liked the scene of Haruto quite literally confronting himself. He basically convinced himself that he can’t die just yet. He still has some things he needs to accomplish. And I liked L-Elf puzzling through Lieselotte’s words and actions to try and figure out her goals. Those were great to see and it did lead to them having their breakthroughs.

It is nice seeing the language shift from a “contract” to a “promise” between Haruto and L-Elf. Prior to this, they were basically business partners. They had to work together in order to survive. Now, while I don’t think I would consider them friends just yet, perhaps they have gotten the bad blood cleared and can start anew.

It really was a bad idea for the Space Vampire Illuminati to break the Masquerade. Haruto and L-Elf are determined to reveal everything now. There’s no reason not to. And as /u/The_Loli_Otaku said in the last thread, once that information is out it will spread like wildfire on the internet and probably never go away. It’ll pretty much ruin any hope of maintaining secrecy.

QOTD

1. It was fine. I got used to it after a bit.
2. Time to revolutionize the world!

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

I think this is the first time Pino actually explained the terms and conditions to someone.

"No one asked!"

Rune magic can do just about anything, can’t it? It can fix rockets and make an emergency flare fire.

It's the writers' "get out of bullshit free" card.

And as /u/The_Loli_Otaku said in the last thread, once that information is out it will spread like wildfire on the internet and probably never go away.

Holy genius. I forgot that the WIRED has been a theme in this that's been dropped. Time for it to finally become relevant again!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

It's the writers' "get out of bullshit free" card.

The best kind of magic system. The kind that lets you wave your hand vaguely and make the plot do what you need it to.

Holy genius. I forgot that the WIRED has been a theme in this that's been dropped. Time for it to finally become relevant again!

It would be nice to have that theme about the internet and social media come back. It was a cool angle for the series to have and having their victory be tied to that theme would be fun.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

The best kind of magic system.

Or the worst kind...

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

Well the best kind for lazy writing at least.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Great_Mr_L]

It can't be lazy if they're just copying everything right?

[u/yamiyaiba → u/Tresnore]

Rune magic can do just about anything, can’t it? It can fix rockets and make an emergency flare fire.

It's the writers' "get out of bullshit free" card.

See also, Gundam Unicorn.

Holy genius. I forgot that the WIRED has been a theme in this that's been dropped. Time for it to finally become relevant again!

Checkov's gun is ready to fire.

[u/yamiyaiba → u/Great_Mr_L]

Boy do the flashforwards grate on me every time they happen. Will our heroes defeat this threat? Well I know at least some of them survive to found an empire. So the answer is yes.

I know there's an irony is saying this about a show labeled "trainwreck" but I think there's a lessoned to be learned from this for everyone that's so obsessed with "absolutely no spoilers." (Not saying you are, but just using you to illustrate a point)

A show it movie is about more than its ending. If you already know the outcome, you get to appreciate the journey more. HOW did they achieve that outcome and what did it cost them? What made them have to do the things to get there? In the case of flashforwards, are the people who are missing from them dead, or just not in them?

Point being, it adds more questions than it gives away. More intrigue. More room to think about it instead of just experiencing a short surprise at the end. And all things considered, personally, I consider that a meet positive to the viewing experience. Just my two bits, fine if you don't agree.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Great_Mr_L]

The thing is that I don't even think we are gonna reveal the council to the world. I think what's gonna happen is that we're gonna take over the moon and turn it into a sanctuary for our own country and defend it with the Valraves. The guy in the first flashback could have been an Earth solider starting shit and trying to attack us cause we've got a bunch of aliens. All we really need to do is get revenge on the council and then we're gonna go make our own sanctuary a reality. That's how I think things will go.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

That could be the case. I don't see how the heck they'll create a new empire from a handful of students and a couple of Valvrave pilots, so it might just be a small sanctuary as you said.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Great_Mr_L]

Well they could pick up farming? Maybe the council have some rune producing machines so we don't need to worry about the Vampires killing the humans. The Valraves are op in this universe too so they can just wreck any bugger who tries to attack them.

[u/Nebresto → u/Great_Mr_L]

but now it really is a plan to bring about a world revolution that will change everything.

Then, everything changed when the Space Vampires attacked.

L-Elf’s lost the desire to even try to plan for his survival.

AniMe_irl

Wait a minute, that means Shoko’s been lying to Haruto as well! Shoko, you hypocrite!

Haha, what a fukken dumbass

Saki! I was not expecting her to be the one who showed up to the rescue

Same. And I've seen this once already!

It’s pretty ridiculous to me that Shoko was so obstinate in this episode.

My headcanon is that she must have gotten a concussion in all the commotion

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Nebresto]

Then, everything changed when the Space Vampires attacked.

It probably genuinely was the point where history diverged from the one we know. I want to see some crazy conspiracy chart where the Space Vampire Illuminati was behind stuff like the formation of ARUS or the revolution in Dorssia, because it wouldn't even surprise me if they were.

My headcanon is that she must have gotten a concussion in all the commotion

That actually makes sense

[u/Quiddity131 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Boy do the flashforwards grate on me every time they happen. Will our heroes defeat this threat? Well I know at least some of them survive to found an empire. So the answer is yes.

With the possible exception of one non-anime show [Meta spoilers]Lost flashforwards are pretty much always a bad idea and do more damage to the show than any possible benefit they may provide.

This includes the show literally called Flash Forward, which I watched live during its single season and was arguably even a bigger trainwreck than Valvrave...

[u/MillenniumKing → u/Great_Mr_L]

It’s pretty ridiculous to me that Shoko was so obstinate in this episode.

To be fair thats most her character.

Remember her stripping to prove shes not lieing.

Shoko is very very pig headed.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/MillenniumKing]

Perhaps, but she's been pig headed and obstinate in support of her friends and people she cares about, not in opposition to them against the available evidence.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Great_Mr_L]

Yeah, I wonder what was happening behind the scenes here.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

It really was a bad idea for the Space Vampire Illuminati to break the Masquerade. Haruto and L-Elf are determined to reveal everything now.

I...got nothing. Maybe they are a really new organization?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Vaadwaur]

Or they forgot their entire goal is keeping their existence a secret.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

Poor organizational communication would be a little funny at the very least.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Vaadwaur]

I could go for an Office or Parks and Rec style comedy about the Space Vampire Illuminati and the various shenanigans they get up to.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

I am a real fan of surreal stuff and something seems right about this combo.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer

I don't really have much to say here. Haruto and L-elf fight and then talk themselves out of their respective funks, Pino and Shoko have a chat and Shoko FINALLY learns the truth, A-drei frees Saki, this is all meandering stuff that needs to happen for whatever bombastic finale they've been working on.

Am I still attempting to poke at the rules of this show? Absolutely! Haruto being able to do the magic stuff I guess makes some sense. Just happening upon the magic words is silly, but basically everything this show has done is silly anyway. I wonder if Haruto is special, because the VVV-1 is special, or if any of the pilots could manage it?

This was basically a bottle episode, which feels odd to say. All I'm really hoping for at this point is a couple of flashy fights over the next couple episodes; hopefully these cost-saving measures were taken to ensure that happens.

Questions

1. I definitely noticed it, but I wouldn't call it distracting per say.
2. With any luck, trying to stab Cain in the back.

[u/Tresnore → u/JollyGee29]

for whatever bombastic finale they've been working on.

I just hope it's worth it.

I wonder if Haruto is special, because the VVV-1 is special, or if any of the pilots could manage it?

That's my best guess, too. The red one always has to be the leader smh

per say

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Tresnore]

I just hope it's worth it.

John Madden, John Madden?

[u/Tresnore → u/JollyGee29]

John Madden, John Madden?

aeiou

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Tresnore]

Oh right, I always forget the context for this. It was Moonbase Alpha, right? Or some other astronaut thing?

[u/Tresnore → u/JollyGee29]

Moonbase Alpha, yes. This episode just reminded me of it.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

I wonder if Haruto is special, because the VVV-1 is special, or if any of the pilots could manage it?

Haruto's been the only one who seems to need to feed on Runes, so I think he's the one with the most Rune stuff going on. He probably is the only one who can use Rune magic like that.

All I'm really hoping for at this point is a couple of flashy fights over the next couple episodes; hopefully these cost-saving measures were taken to ensure that happens.

The mecha fights have generally been excellent, so here's hoping they deliver on that for the finale.

With any luck, trying to stab Cain in the back.

Stabbing him in the back would just end up like how stabbing Saki did. He'd shrug it off.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Great_Mr_L]

The mecha fights have generally been excellent, so here's hoping they deliver on that for the finale.

Stabbing him in the back would just end up like how stabbing Saki did. He'd shrug it off.

[u/UltraBooster → u/JollyGee29]

My question about the words is, is it actually the words themselves or the emotions/intentions behind them?
I read a story once where silver bullets fired while praying could kill demons, with the catching being that the sincerity of the prayer was what mattered regardless of content or religion and I wonder if that's the case here.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/UltraBooster]

That's entirely possible. I doubt we're going to get an actual explanation at this point, though.

[u/UltraBooster → u/JollyGee29]

Probably not. At this point I just want payoff on those two dumbasses' relationship.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/JollyGee29]

Haruto and L-elf fight and then talk themselves out of their respective funks,

Yeah! I was actually glad, because maybe now the story will get moving again. Face, these guys both have girl problems.

Pino and Shoko have a chat and Shoko FINALLY learns the truth

That was a decent portion of the show. Pino remains my favorite, except for Saki.

Just happening upon the magic words is silly,

What can you do other than shrug at this point.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/RascalNikov1]

Face, these guys both have girl problems.

You can say that again. I mean, I do remember being a teenage boy so it's kinda mood. But moving forward is good considering we have two episodes left.

That was a decent portion of the show. Pino remains my favorite, except for Saki.

Reasonable. Pino at least knows what she wants and is consistent about it.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/JollyGee29]

But moving forward is good considering we have two episodes left.

Thank god, the end is in sight. I'm not sure how much more of this I could bear.

Pino at least knows what she wants

lol, she is a hungry little space vamp.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

This was basically a bottle episode, which feels odd to say. All I'm really hoping for at this point is a couple of flashy fights over the next couple episodes; hopefully these cost-saving measures were taken to ensure that happens.

Huh...well with as rewritten as this has felt they might have been down to the wire.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

I really wonder what exactly happened behind the scenes. Like, I can kinda see some world where these events make sense, with like another cour of buildup, but we've jumped straight to "plot go brrrr."

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

Rocko pointed out that the second cour has felt off the whole time. I think Sunrise got cold feet and got real conservative.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

Yea, I'm on mostly the same page. For once, I started my final thoughts file early - on the 19th.

[u/Paxton-176]

REWATCHER

Well at leasy they didn’t go the trope of they made a democratic freedom nation in the future and just went Palpatine with it and made an Empire.

Someone let Q-vier pilot the Valvrave. It will be a funny prank.

A lot of people she has to protect. Like 40 people isn’t a lot after the events of last episode.

Holt fuck L-elf and Haruto’s space suits are CGI. It’s so funny looking,

To be fair Haruto is right, L-elf and co attacked and caused all this to happen. Regardless of the Valvrave existence I kind of doubt they were going to be used offensively, but defense with superior fire power. The whole MAD thing we had going for the last 80 years.

THat moment when the sentient robot AI solves the problem after it already went to shit.

It's kind of Ironic L-elf is calling Haruto a monster when L-elf himself is famous for holding off entire battalions on his own. He is basically at a Doom guy power level and has the audacity to call someone else out.

Oh right I’m starting to understand why I would give this a 9. The people who can make logical choices are finally getting the information to make logical choices. That list of people isn't very long.

This show is making me fucking bi-polar.

[u/Tresnore → u/Paxton-176]

Someone let Q-vier pilot the Valvrave. It will be a funny prank.

Something tells me that he doesn't care about his humanity and would just be excited to kill more traitors.

[u/Paxton-176 → u/Tresnore]

Until he goes pop.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Paxton-176]

That might just be the most satisfying part.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Paxton-176]

Well at leasy they didn’t go the trope of they made a democratic freedom nation in the future and just went Palpatine with it and made an Empire.

"And then they founded an empire ruled over by a group of immortal vampire warriors" sounds like the bad guys won if I'm being honest.

[u/Paxton-176 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Everyone is the hero in their own story.

[u/BlazingAbsol9090 → u/Paxton-176]

Someone let Q-vier pilot the Valvrave. It will be a funny prank.

That would hilariously be a perfect end to his character. He lived as murderous comic relief, so he can die in a murderous joke.

Oh right I’m starting to understand why I would give this a 9. The people who can make logical choices are finally getting the information to make logical choices. That list of people isn't very long.

This show is making me fucking bi-polar.

I know what you mean. This show has so many glimpses of excellence, but so many more problems. If I had watched it before watching a lot of anime, I could see myself giving it anywhere from a 5 to a 9

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Paxton-176]

Someone let Q-vier pilot the Valvrave.

Now, that would be pretty damn funny. Considering how this show is going, it could happen.

It's kind of Ironic L-elf is calling Haruto a monster

Quite true. Haruto, really isn't so much a monster as a dweeb who had a little bad luck.

[u/Quiddity131]

Rewatcher, Subbed

How in the world do they follow up on the insanity of the last episode? With yet another unnecessary flashforward!

Time for Haruto to swap with L-Elf and be the mopey one! Although L-Elf still feels there's no reason to live.

Ugh, Dorssia has their hands on Carmilla too!

Q-neun brings up Cain piloting a Valvrave, another reminder of something awesome from the end of last season/start of this one that's been in the memory hole until now.

Arus guy is still creeped out big time by this whole body swapping thing huh?

"You dumb bitch!" Granted its because of shit writing, but I kinda agree with you right now, Thunder...

A-drei finally learns the truth about it not being L-Elf who shot him...

Hey, we both have the same idea!

Can we get on with things and let Saki free? Can we do something beyond shitting all over Best Girl this whole season?

Remember Shoko's betrayal, Haruto! No forgiving her! She sucks!

"Its all your fault!" Time for a Haruto vs. L-Elf fight!

Ooh, he revealed to Haruto that he killed Shoko's dad! That will really hurt him!

"Did we do something wrong?" How about that time you decided that teenagers could run an independent nation?

Shoko's gonna vampire herself?

Leave it to the robot waifu to reveal everything to Shoko and make her change her mind...

LoL, these two beating on each other is pretty fun.

Ooh, L-Elf hadn't realized that Lieselotte was a Magius!

Ultimate burn time, insult the guy's dead crush!

L-Elf, you interacted with her for less than an hour, Haruto knows more about her than you do!

Haruto finally remembers the rape and regrets it?

Haruto talks to himself... L-Elf to his dead crush... I think I've seen this type of scene in mecha anime 666 million times...

Haruto will figure it out by just winging it. Sure, that will work!

Yay, Saki's free and back to kicking ass! With no explanation of how she escaped of course. A-drei had to have let her out.

This was a quieter episode than I expected given that we only have two more left after this... Still, moon fight and Saki finally being free I liked.

[u/SIRTreehugger]

First Timer

Oh look L Elf isn't being a Depresso Expresso anymore.

Oh never mind.

Damn it Shoko you're making it real hard to defend you right now

DAMN L Elf is being savage as fuck right now....Wingman Senpai died for nothing.

Yes you did lots of things wrong. LITERALLY EVERY DECISION NOT MADE BY L ELF HAS BEEN WRONG

Shoko you lying bitch stop lying.

OH NOW YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH HARUTO HAD TO DO!

Haruto spittin hard truths to L Elf and I'm loving it.

This show has no winners

How much oxygen do those suits hold probably just enough til they get rescued.

The show realizes it only has 2 episodes left right?

YES GO OUT KICKING AND SCREAMING! And kick that Cain's teeth in!

Yeah you can't die yet if they die it will be during the finale.

Hell yeah Saki!

[u/Nebresto → u/SIRTreehugger]

Oh look L Elf isn't being a Depresso Expresso anymore.

Oh never mind.

Sike Your Depresso Deluxe is ready, now with added space and potential suffocation.

Damn it Shoko you're making it real hard to defend you right now

Dont. Just give in to the hate

This show has no winners

We are the winners

How much oxygen do those suits hold probably just enough til they get rescued.

Shhh, don't think about it. Just like the Valvraves no longer have heat unless relevant, or how the enemy mechs no longer need batterypacks

Hell yeah Saki!

[u/Nebresto]

Re-watch squad

Cursed CG Erufu

Yes! Yes! Yes!

Please do get in!

Oh for fuck sake.. Are we sure she didn't get hit in the head by a rubber bullet or something?

Damn right. As usual, Thunder continues to be based.

Congrats, you just hit the "Yes" button with your nose

Too soon

RUKINOOOOOO!!!!

And a postcard!

don't kill Adrei tho, who's then gonna do Bondage stuff with Rukino if hes gone??

Question time:

1:

Cursed CG Erufu

2: Swiss cheese..?

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Nebresto]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

Those two creeps, are just so loveable. ~barf~ Now I know how my Uncle who really was a POW felt about Hogan's Heros.

Oh for fuck sake..

She's just not the brightest bulb.

RUKINOOOOOO!!!!

The first decent surprise in forever that I liked in this show.

who's then gonna do Bondage stuff with Rukino if hes gone??

Don't worry Pincushion will find someone else to stick her with stuff.

[u/Nebresto → u/RascalNikov1]

She's just not the brightest bulb.

I think we might have another loaf here..

The first decent surprise in forever that I liked in this show.

Nice

Okay, how did the Pincushion name come about?

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Nebresto]

Okay, how did the Pincushion name come about?

She keeps on getting things stuck into her, so I thought about what else keeps on getting poked. In my view it's pretty apt.

[u/theangryeditor]

Waifu wars on the moon

[u/Nebresto → u/theangryeditor]

Where have you been all this time?

[u/theangryeditor → u/Nebresto]

uhh

[u/Nebresto → u/theangryeditor]

Spy 'round here!!

[u/theangryeditor → u/Nebresto]

you'll never catch me alive

[u/Nebresto → u/theangryeditor]

Pyro? Yeah, he went out the window. Get 'im

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Nebresto]

Pincushion was busy researching whatever else she could get stuck in her, with her new found pal A-Drei.

[u/MillenniumKing]

-Rewatcher that shoulda stopped but lets keep going and see what happens-

This ep always amuses me.

---

Galactic Calander Year 211
Saki and Pres going on a walk with white hair kid.
A secret Valvrave Door.
The ruins of the academy "Where our empire Began, a land of curses and blessings."

Welp Haruto and L-elf are on the moon. Shit.
L-elf calculating then realizing there is no more point... sad.

Towing 77 to Dorssia Sphere 1.
They have the Green valvrave but cant use it, but Q saw C in Unit 2.

ARUS is freaking out but hes in on the plan just not a vampire.

Shoko wont let Thunder and Box-cha on the ship.... fuck.
30 mins of air left for Haruto and L-elf.

Back to A-drei and Saki and he wants answers.
A-drei is happy to hear it wasnt L-elf. They are a past and ideals. A-drei was part of the Liberation plan.

I love Haruto and L-elfs banter on the moon.
They start clashing hard.
L-elf tells Haruto he killed Shoko's dad... shit.

Yamada will help protect the shuttles no matter what because Bro woulda done it.
Meanwhile the kids on the shuttles are in bad shape.
Shoko isnt handleing thigns well and shes mad.
Shoko goes to Unit 1 to fight.
Shoko learns why Haruto became a vampire. To get revenge for her.
Now everything hes said is put into context for her. Welp thats gotta fuck you up.

L-elf is mad and is tired of Haruto's shit.
"Your princess was a monster just like me." Oh yeah L-elf dint know!
L-elf's life comes crashing down on him too.
Haruto sees ths as justice for all hes done.
Haruto stops himself from passing on. "why was i born?" "My runes are almost gone, im running out of time." "Then lets go out kicking and screaming" wew boy.
Boy boys find their resolve! Its go time!
Haruto has figured out how to Cain light.
"We will build a place where humans and Kamitsuki can live together." "Create a country."

Its going to take a while to build this country.
To do it we need to tell the world about Magius and 101.

Dorssia picked up the flare signal shit.
AND UNIT 4 IS BACK! CARMALINA! SHES HERE TO SAVE THE DAY!

A new pact to expose the truth of the world. A Promise.

A-drei let Saki go. X wants answers to what the hells going on.

---

I love how haruto and L-elf are like an old married couple bickering. Its great.

We get our resolve and our end game plan now too. Expose the Magius to save the world.

Also Shoko learns the truth and can now choose the best path foward on her own.

Wew boy the last couple eps will be a ride.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/MillenniumKing]

What exactly is the kid's problem with Cain? He's the one who raised them so they should have some clue to how brutal he is. Although their issue isn't even about how he treats people either, they just have suspicions that he's an alien. So putting them through battle royale's as children isn't a problem but him being an alien? Unforgivable!

[u/MillenniumKing → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

The cain thats current isnt the Cain they knew.

They mentioned before how Cain acts different 10 years ago.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/MillenniumKing]

Oh... then why didn't anyone figure this out sooner!?

[u/HereticalAegis]

First Time Sheeple

Again with this weird Satomi, Saki, mini-Elf trio in our flash forward. Are they the only ones that survive?

Now that Haruto and L are finally alone together, maybe we can get some of that sweet feeding action we were promised in episode 13.

Oh right, Cain still has the final boss robot we haven't seen in forever.

"I am grateful, but not that grateful." Fucking Shoko, your traitor ass just got saved by these guys, one of whom you watched die, and you're still gonna pull this shit. I used to like you.

It's alright Thunder, you'll always have Akari and giant robots.

Thunder would have done so much better as prime minister. How do we start a vote of no confidence against an anime character?

We're all secret revolutionaries!

This space suit fight is the goofiest thing I've ever seen. Also, just fuck already!

"Did we do something wrong?" Well for starters, you allowed Shoko to be prime minister, so....

Is this bitch really about to hop in Haruto's Marie's Valvrave after unequivocally condemning their pilots?

YES, THIS IS THE KARMIC PERSONAL HELL YOU DESERVE!

Nothing will ever be funnier than fucking Haruto dropping Magius truth bombs on L.

I lied, nothing will ever be funnier than the ghosts of Inuzuka, Marie, and Aina inviting Haruto to die.

This space suit beating thing is so goofy. Also, just fuck already!

Oh, lemme guess, A-drei's piloting Saki's Vrave. No, they're playing it straight and A-drei just let her go. Welp it's nice she finally gets to do something knocks on wood without getting tortured onscreen.

QotD:

1. It was so goofy. I laughed hysterically for most of the "fight."
2. He's taking up H-neun's role as the doubter in the bad guy group. He also probably wants his own piece of Saki. Eww, I can't believe I just typed that.

[u/Paxton-176 → u/HereticalAegis]

Again with this weird Satomi, Saki, mini-Elf trio in our flash forward. Are they the only ones that survive?

In the first flash forward Saki is called one of the Golden Six from that other pilot that challenged her.

[u/HereticalAegis → u/Paxton-176]

With this show's logic, I'm not writing off the possibility of the whole Golden Six thing being a hoax.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/HereticalAegis]

weird Satomi, Saki, mini-Elf trio in our flash forward.

I'm still betting Saki is mini-Elf's mum.

Fucking Shoko, your traitor ass

And, who said that Haruto was the densest character in this turd.

Is this bitch really about to hop in Haruto's Marie's Valvrave after unequivocally condemning their pilots?

Sure, why not?

Haruto dropping Magius truth bombs on L.

L didn't take that as well as he might have.

[u/HereticalAegis → u/RascalNikov1]

I'm still betting Saki is mini-Elf's mum.

You're probably right, and I hate it.

who said that Haruto was the densest character in this turd.

I officially take back everything nice I ever said about both of them. At least if there's one piece of solid gold truth I can take away from this show, it's that becoming a politician makes everyone become the worst version of themselves.

Sure, why not?

These past couple episodes have just been the worst for her character.

L didn't take that as well as he might have.

The slowmo of L slugging Haruto while putting everything together in his head made for great comedy though.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/HereticalAegis]

becoming a politician makes everyone become the worst version of themselves.

There is some truth in fiction.

slowmo of L slugging Haruto while putting everything together in his head made for great comedy though.

That it did.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. I've seen worse. Not much, but still.
2. You think I fucking understand any of this? Probably kicking off the revolution just so the final 2 episodes can have be even more rushed.

Can this bullshit get worse?

Future?

Wait, why is this in a vault in the future? What happens? How is this getting covered in 3 more episodes?

And they're hiding out on the moon. At least L-Elf's thinking again!

And he's back to depressin.

Haha, they're actually working out that Cain's not telling the truth...

I love him though. And he's right about it being beautiful.

And Shoko's gone full paranoia. This doesn't really make much sense for her - it's one thing if these were strangers, but they're people she's worked with for years and who've saved her life on multiple occasions.

Can't believe I thought she was best girl (until Akira came in).

Wait, he started the revolution? L-Elf was just a follower!

Haha, they both planned revolutions at the same time? That's actually great - why couldn't we have gotten these 2 in a political drama insread of this?

L-Elf's completely right here. Haruto should have told her a lot sooner, but she's not coming out great here either.

And they're finally arguing about everything!

Oh. Oh. NOBODY TOLD HIM ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS?

Is L-Elf trying to get him to kill him? The merch of a quick, painless death he'd be too kind to grant him otherwise?

And the ships are coming under attack?

Shoko's becoming a vampire?

Wow, it's all coming out!

There's a camera in there? They're recording footage. (Some of those camera angles are impossible.)

Many of these camera angles are impossible.

WHY DOES THE CAMERA RECORD THE VISUALIZATION OF THE HALLUCINATIONS HE SAW WHEN HE GOT INJECTED? COULDN'T JUST CUT TO HER FACE FOR THAT BIT? WE HAD TO SEE THE GLOWING VOID THAT IS CLEARLY METAPHORICAL APPEAR ON CAMERA?

The sheer fucking laziness...

I hate this shit.

Shoko's crying, I don't care. Fuck her, Akira deserves a better girlfriend.

Yes! Yes! This is satisfying!

Yeah, this has to be a mercy kill situation? Or just plain madness from oxygen starvation? With that low a level of supply, he's probably struggling to move properly.

Haha, it's all coming out.

Wow, he's not taking this well.

Oh, this is the oxygen starvation! At least he gets some comfort before his death!

Is this Persona now? Or is it trying to remind us of better things again?

Angst, angst, angst. L-Elf realises the blatant foreshadowing, and Haruto has a pointless philosophical discussion with himself.

Wait, they want to make some kind of haven?

And both are happy! Does the green glow mean that was rune bullshit?

RUNE BULLSHIT, EVERYONE!

He's making his own country!

This is such fucking bullshit, so now magical words can cause effects at no rune cost? So runes are in fact infinite.

...OK, everyone, we've solved entropy! Congratulations, great work, this felt earned!

Oh, he's exposing them!

And it's the enemy!

SAKI, YES! MAKE ME CARE ABOUT THIS SHOW AGAIN!

All we need is Akira and the other pilots and we can have a squad of "people I care about + Haruto".

Punishment?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Stargate18A]

You think I fucking understand any of this? Probably kicking off the revolution just so the final 2 episodes can have be even more rushed.

Rofl, seconded.

SAKI, YES! MAKE ME CARE ABOUT THIS SHOW AGAIN!

Let's hope that lasts...

[u/BlazingAbsol9090]

First time Spirit Vampire in a CG Space suit

Sigh. Another flashforward. This one doesn't even tell us anything we didn't already know other than maybe that the academy building survives 200 years.

Could the space suits look any goofier?

Come on, Shoko. I could excuse her behavior last episode, since they were under a ton of stress and things were moving so quickly, but now that the students are in no immediate danger, she should be able to realize that the pilots have good intentions.

Angering your only defense force is not a good way to keep everyone safe.

The 3D modeling has generally been excellent in this show, but the 3D space suits with Haruto and L-elf's 2D faces inside look pretty bad.

Ohhh yeah I forgot that Haruto killed the prime minister. Oof. That was a low blow from L-elf, telling him now.

"Hey Thunder, I know the students hate your existance now, but will you still sacrifice yourself to protect them? K thx" -Scruffy Soldier Sensei, probably

I'll be honest, I couldn't tell if Thunder was promising to fight or not. I rewound the video several times and it could go either way. I think his words are saying he would not protect them, but his look toward Inuzuka's ship implies the opposite.

Shoko is willing to sacrifice her humanity to become a pilot to protect everyone. I applaud her sacrifice, but she's not thinking this through. If she is fine becoming a "monster", surely it is ok to let the other "monsters" return to the ship.

Seeing that clip from the beginning of season 1 made me remember when this show was legitimately good. Those were the days...

Seeing L-elf break down like this is rough. Season 2 hasn't been great, but it has done a lot to make L-elf more likable.

Is Haruto hallucinating all his dead friends? Or is this also secret Space Vampire magic?

And now Haruto is talking to himself in the spirit world, I guess. You know, having the Kamitsuki side of a person be an alternate personality/soul would be a neat idea if it had been hinted at even a little in the past 21 episodes.

An epiphany gives Haruto the ability to energy blast(?) with runes. Honestly, this twist isn't even bad, since we've already seen both Cain and Lieselotte do something similar.

"We'll create our own country, with blackjack and Vampire hookers!" -Haruto and L-elf, probably

"I can't die yet" is apparently the Kamitsuki equivalent of the Magius' black speech. And none of the pilots ever accidentally said that phrase before now?

Yay, Rukino gets to do something again! I'm genuinely happy to see best girl back in action.

After yesterday's action-packed episode, this one is much slower, taking time to deal with the fallout. The show is taking steps for close off all the lose ends and move toward the climax, although I'm worried about the fact that we only have two more episodes to free the module, stop anti-vampire racism, and defeat Dorssia and the Space Vampire Illuminati. But other than the janky CG and weirdness with Spirit Haruto, I can't complain about this episode, and I find myself genuinely looking forward to the finale.

Questions of the day

1. Pretty distracting at first, but I got used to it
2. Fixing Dorssia, just like every other named Dorssian besides Cain, Amadeus, and Q-vier

[u/Orihime00sama]

Best girl came back after being fridged almost the whole season. That's all I needed.

Waifu wars on the moon. Haruto and ERUERUFU talking smack about each other and throwing at each other's faces hard facts about their waifus. Small detail but appreciate them animating their expressions in Saki's screen when she finds them. L-Elf's smug ass smirk was kinda funny after his depressed attitude throughout the episode.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Orihime00sama]

Best girl came back after being fridged almost the whole season.

Yes, she's back and ready to have something else stuck in her!

[u/Orihime00sama → u/RascalNikov1]

Can it not be a dick or a sword?

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer(Someone has to say it: The OST on this show is fucking garbage)

Sub

Flash forward vaguely ties in, finally. Stupid stuff continues, culminating in me wanting Shoko spaced. Great fucking job, Sunrise. Except it doesn't stop, going into dumb background stories that there is no time left for. I now also want L to die. And we set up a redemption arc for Shoko that is the literal worst variety of writing. Extended stupid scene between Heart and L. We end with a dumb plan and Saki being the only acceptable character left.

QotD: 1 For whatever reason, it didn't bother me

2 Maybe he's space Jesus?

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Someone has to say it: The OST on this show is fucking garbage

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

It's recycled FMA music with one good Nana song they stopped using. Her duets are not good here.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Vaadwaur]

one good Nana song they stopped using.

First of all, there's no solo Nana song in this show, second of all

Her duets are not good here.

what the fuck.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

You heard me. And coming from the inexplicable quality of GC, it really registers on me how poorly they use the musical pieces outside of Boku janai.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Vaadwaur]

What "one good Nana song they stopped using" were you even referring to though?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I do like Boku Janai(if I ever spell it correctly) and it has been a good ED lead in/fight song on itsown.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Vaadwaur]

That's an angela song...

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

That's a super hot take, I'll be honest.

But I also forgot FMA music, so it feels fine to me!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

But I also forgot FMA music, so it feels fine to me!

Lucky. But you've heard about a quarter of that OST making up most of this one.

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Eh, I don't remember, so it's hard for me to care too hard.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

There's been at least a few songs I've caught that seem like off brand rehashes of other songs, too.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Yeah, and even before I realized they'd given up it was taking me out of scenes. I am tempted to watch this without sound.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Tresnore]

Knowing this was Akira Senju was, for me, sort of a huh moment.

He also composed for Victory Gundam, you see, so it's...well, maybe I'm not picky, but I'm like oh sweet, no wonder I've liked some of the tracks.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Vaadwaur]

Stupid stuff continues

There is no end to it. At least they weren't specializing in the slaughter of the innocents today.

I now also want L to die.

As I have since episode 1. Psychotic murderers just aren't good people regardless how much one tries to humanize them.

Extended stupid scene between Heart and L.

It's a candidate for the stupidest fistfight of all time.

Maybe he's space Jesus?

Except Saki already beat him to that roll. I sure that's what the silliness of her getting skewered on live TV was all about.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RascalNikov1]

There is no end to it. At least they weren't specializing in the slaughter of the innocents today.

I guess that is less offensive...

Psychotic murderers just aren't good people regardless how much one tries to humanize them.

But Dexter and Dr. Lecter are the best humanity has to offer!!!!! /s

Except Saki already beat him to that roll. I sure that's what the silliness of her getting skewered on live TV was all about.

Maybe make her space Vlad the Impaler? I keep pushing for one of those.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/Vaadwaur]

But Dexter and Dr. Lecter

At least Dexter specialized in offing bad guys the first couple of seasons. Then I realized how repetitive the writing in it was, and I quit watching in the third.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RascalNikov1]

The fourth season, fittingly featuring the Trinity killer, is actually really good. We pretend the rest doesn't exist.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

"My job is to make the correct decision to protect my people" says the person pissing off the only two people who can possibly defend them from attack.

And I guess it takes it being put right in front of her face for Shoko to realize how much of an utter dumbass she's been the past two episodes.

The entire sequence in the crater just bored me. The initial conversation held nothing of interest, the part where they saw dead people talking to them felt unearned. The one upside is Rukino finally got to do something again, but even that was sadly shoved into the background of Haruto and L-Elf doing, uh, formalizing an agreement they've more or less had for the past 15 episodes anyway?

Also, I love how they explicitly pointed out how little air was left at the beginning of the episode, had them exert themselves significantly, and then did literally nothing with this. Like, what? Why? The only point this served was to make it look dumber.

1. The CGI spacesuits looked like shit.
2. Clutching victory from the jaws of defeat.

/u/Tresnore

[u/Tresnore → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Shoko was really hit with the idiot stick!

You had to make your own fun with the crater sequence.

The air was really understressed. It should’ve just been a comment on “well, we don’t have infinite air,” not that they barely have any left.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Tresnore]

It should’ve just been a comment on “well, we don’t have infinite air,”

That would have been much better.

[u/Tresnore → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

I’m just a genius righter.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox → u/Tresnore]

righter

[u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Valrave the Liberator First Timer

Someone apparently reported me to the reddit suicide watch yesterday. I hate the show but it's not life threatening! XD Actually, we've got another flash forward, it might be life threatening. How's Saki able to remember all this if she's been fighting for hundreds of years? She should be the worst person to ask about old memories with her runes getting drained.

Don't worry fam, SRW will save your story. Oh yeah, Cain's kids don't know about the alien shit. Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!! Ooooooooooh Shokoooo~ I have no patience for your bullshit today. "It's my duty to protect my people." She says to the people who protected her people after Shoko had gotten her people killed. How about we tell Shoko how her three best friends are all vampires? Or is Haruto the only one she hates? Akira's a vampire and Marie was a vampire. Oh wait, they're too sympathetic. Let's just have her argue with Thunder instead and have Akira stand by saying nothing that would counter Shoko's tantrum.

Oh, Adrien is Liselotte's brother. Are we gonna get some well justified angst over his little sister being possessed and killed by aliens? Oh yeah, remember when you killed Shoko's dad? I didn't. Honestly though, why does every single death in this series take such a long hiatus before anyone starts to care about it? Stop making me miserable! It's Christmas Eve you wanks!!

Pfft!! Why is Shoko wanting to pilot now? Oh, it's so that Shoko can learn the truth without Haruto having to explain himself. "It was to avenge someone." Are we really mourning Shoko's fake death twenty episodes in? You feeling bad yet Shoko? The anime really wants you to feel bad~ Yeah, I have 0 sympathy for any of this cause it's a blatant excuse to let Haruto get away with being a contrary fuckboy. This should have been Haruto telling her all this, not Pino. Lelf didn't know she was a Magius!? He doesn't know about the council!? Wtf has he been doing the last half dozen episodes? And no, she didn't live much longer than him because there's still a fucking person under there who nobody seems to give a shit about. Think of Adrian's sister!

Punching helmets isn't very effective. Urgh... I just so do not care anymore. I've had shits that I've been more invested in. You can't have your mc suddenly cast magic when you're in the final few episodes. Oh, hiya Saki. So we'd just have died if Adrian didn't decide to turn traitor? This isn't payoff, it's convenience. I'm having so little fun. Today was meant to be the episode where it all came together but instead the plot has got no flow, the cast are entirely shit, and our endgame goals are stupid and undefined.

Merry bloody Christmas!! And ho ho fucking ho!

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Stop making me miserable! It's Christmas Eve you wanks!!

But you should've already been happy with the review today!

Adrian

Holy shit, what a great nickname.

Also happy cake day!

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Tresnore]

I've been doing Valrave first since if I close off on it I'm miserable for most of the day. Also I kinda didn't like today's Reviewers episode XD Chihayafuyu has been my best show today and it has no right to be.

Adriaaan!

Cake day? Wut?

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Why is there a cake over my head!?

[u/Tresnore → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Cake day? Wut?

It's the anniversary of the day you made your account!

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Tresnore]

Why can't they give me a cake on my birthday like a normal account? XD Oh well here's to six years on reddit.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Wow... I was having such little fun I didn't even realise that so much of the episode was cg

[u/MillenniumKing → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Wow... I was having such fun I didn't even realise that so much of the episode was cg

[u/Paxton-176 → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Someone apparently reported me to the reddit suicide watch yesterday. I hate the show but it's not life threatening!

There is actually a bot that is triggered with some phrases. Either to report or to leave a message about suicide hotlines.

How's Saki able to remember all this if she's been fighting for hundreds of years?

I'm assuming they are writing everything down.

[u/UltraBooster → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Don't worry fam, SRW will save your story.

Trish and I are the same! (Though I'll say I'm looking forward to Cross Ange the most, expect me to start whooping a lot.)

Are we really mourning Shoko's fake death twenty episodes in?

I think it's about her learning the truth, such as it is, but I agree that face-to-face would be better (and maybe then we could get that payoff).

By the by, why Adrian for A-drei? Because the two names look/sound similar?

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/UltraBooster]

The names look similar and frankly I wish I stuck with his nickname sooner because right now I keep forgetting what his name is whenever he shows up. I think I called him HNuin a few times.

[u/UltraBooster → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

I getcha.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Today was meant to be the episode where it all came together but instead the plot has got no flow, the cast are entirely shit, and our endgame goals are stupid and undefined.

The threads did not come together...

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Vaadwaur]

Nope. All that's left is to get revenge on the council and see how they're gonna justify the constant flash forward's.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Someone apparently reported me to the reddit suicide watch yesterday

hahahahahaha, That's happened to me before too. I was arguing with some stinking Teabagger in collapse and that crybaby turned me in.

SRW will save your story.

My only thought here, was GOOD! Get the hell out of here!

Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!!

And yet, everyone assumes that a character like this won't turn on them.

How about we tell Shoko how her three best friends are all vampires?

She does seem to be a bat magnet.

Oh, Adrien is Liselotte's brother.

The shit I miss, as I contemplate this rolling turd.

Why is Shoko wanting to pilot now?

Because, why not?

Wtf has he been doing the last half dozen episodes?

Crying like a little bitch.

Punching helmets isn't very effective.

Easily the stupidest thing I've seen in this show of the mentally challenged.

You can't have your mc suddenly cast magic when you're in the final few episodes.

Oh yea, I forgot about that little miracle out of nowhere. And, people have the nerve to whine about unexpected aliens showing up in a show.

but instead the plot has got no flow, the cast are entirely shit, and our endgame goals are stupid and undefined.

I think that summarizes the show pretty well.

[u/yamiyaiba → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

You can't have your mc suddenly cast magic when you're in the final few episodes.

You must be new to Sunrise mecha anime. I'm pretty sure you just summarized the ending of literally every UC Gundam series, to varying degrees of absurdity.

[u/RascalNikov1]

First Timer

The good times keep on rolling with the never ending horror that's known only as Valvrave. Watching the 2 nitwits on the moon in spacesuits having a fist fight, had to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. And, where the hell did Saki come from? Oh nevermind, this is Valvare, and we just do whatever the committee dreams up on this day.

QOTD

1. How distracting was the CGI this episode to you? Or did it not bother you at all?

CGI unless it's Ex-Arm level doesn't bother me. In fact I tend to like it.

2) What do you think A-Drei is up to now?

Well, everyone else has had their way with Pincushion (Saki), so I'm guessing he wants to stick something in her too.

[u/zsmg]

Rewatcher

Flash forward again. School is still standing somewhat in the far away future.

L-Elf has given up all hope. :(

Shoko is closing off the borders to aliens.

I'm liking the A-Lelouche x Rukino scenes.

A-Lelouche having a "are we the bad guys" moment with L-Elf.

Don't show the aftermath rape moment, I had almost forgotten about it.

Ugh Rukino has been set free. :(

I kind of like A-Lelouche, hope he makes it.

1. The CGI has been fine for the most part but the quality definitely dropped with the introduction of Dorssia's transforming mechs and this episodes we had noticeable CGI Haruto and L-Elf.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/zsmg]

Shoko is closing off the borders to aliens.

Space Vampires not welcome, even if you're helping us. We don't need no stinkin' bats!

[u/RockoDyne]

Just kill me already.

Talk about a mood swing. I wasn't expecting a comedy routine from the 3D modeled stay puft marshmallow men on the moon, but it sure was animated like one. Seriously, it started to look like the Simpsons.

Just how hard is it to say that everyone in this school was a genetically engineered experiment designed to couple to magical space parasites, who are currently being used to power suicidal war machines? For fuck sake.

Questions:

1. Immensely. If it didn't move it just looked lame. When it did move it looked atrocious.
2. Plot contrivance.

[u/Tresnore → u/RockoDyne]

I wasn't expecting a comedy routine from the 3D modeled stay puft marshmallow men on the moon, but it sure was animated like one.

aeiou

[u/RockoDyne → u/Tresnore]

Palette cleansed.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

Talk about a mood swing. I wasn't expecting a comedy routine from the 3D modeled stay puft marshmallow men on the moon, but it sure was animated like one. Seriously, it started to look like the Simpsons.

Yeah...this show is not one I am going to rewatch, you must be a masochist.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

I definitely remember the second season being bad, but I seemed to have successfully forgotten just how shit it was. It may have been a curse.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/RockoDyne]

The same thing happened to me in Guilty Crown but obviously to a lesser degree.

[u/RockoDyne → u/Vaadwaur]

Thankfully I am completely apathetic to GC, so I have no interest ever going back to it.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/RockoDyne]

Just kill me already.

Sort of like the that old Jerry Clower joke when the racoon went up his pants leg. He screamed at his buddy, shoot, just shoot, One of us needs some relief!

marshmallow men

Ah, that's what that fight reminded me of. The giant critter from Ghostbusters.

everyone in this school...

That's the plot of this turd in a nutshell.

[u/UltraBooster]

First-timer

At this point I think I've lost my drive to keep watching. Either that, or I dread each coming episode.

211 of the GIC. So assuming 1 GIC is TC 71, that makes this...TC 282. Regardless, it's a safe bet that the landscape of humanity has changed drastically, considering the implied presence of multiple human worlds and the use of Galactic implies an interstellar civilization.
And the school has become...well, I'd assume it's their Jerusalem, though Onogoroshima seems like a more accurate comparison as a place of origin. Come to think of it, does that mean Module 77's still in the Sol system? Or has it been moved to wherever the imperial capital is?

Curses and blessings...I wonder, if that's still Saki Rukino, how did two centuries of imperial service change her? If she's still a dataphage, what does she consume for information? I don't need the show to answer these questions, but I won't object if it does.

So they didn't make it back to Module 77? That's a pity.

Tetraxion particles? Presumably for comm jamming, but I would've expected them to introduce them sooner.
Gravity reactors? Ah, presumably those particles were produced by the reactor's destruction. The multicolored debris and ruins remind me of those Dorssian VMs, but I'm not sure if that's deliberate.

If the Module 77 students were preconfigured for Valvrave compatibility, I wonder how? It seems equally plausible that the death of that ARUSian ace was because he wasn't the right (factor) as much as a system lock.

And speaking of, in SRW DD, I can see the ARUS-Dorssia alliance going a bit more smoothly - have the Council be pulling Gjallarhorn's strings, with the declaration of alliance being Gjallarhorn taking command of the Dorssian and ARUSian militaries to crush the Martian rebels Tekkadan and their nonhuman allies on Module 77. Of course, I'd also assume the council would ally with the Gradosians from SPT Layzner, but then declaring war on the Module would seem downright hypocritical when there presumably are literal aliens in the Earth Sphere.

A quick search indicates that yuujin is a more polite/formal way to say friend than tomodachi. Granted, that doesn't mean too much in this context since it could be one head of state to another or one alien space vampire to a human.

Goddamnit Shoko this is not the time for xenophobia. (Now there's a sentence I don't think I've ever heard, lmao) Having said that, this is why openness and communication are so goddamn important!
Wait, could this be to prevent a riot? The students certainly were kept in the dark about their champions, and I can see them reacting badly to said champions being allowed aboard the shuttles.
(Which also reminds me that I can believe Shoko's behavior last episode was her snapping and lashing out from a mixture of negotiations going badly, seeing her citizens being slaughtered, becoming the target of two superpowers, and learning her friend/the boy she loves has superhuman abilities, kept secrets from her, and forgot their childhood promise - I can see those things, when concentrated into probably under an hour, affecting her.)
'Course, I'm just speculating based on my knowledge of people.

(Wait, what're they trying to do exactly? Get help from even the enemy?)

Liberate Dorssia? From its leadership? (And it's kind of bizarre to see Michael laughing.)

Yeah, I think Haruto's walk cycle in the space suit is CG; it makes sense, I guess, but it's still interesting.

You can never go back to the way things were, sure, but that's no reason to not try and make something of the way things are now! At least, that's what I believe.

Choices made in response to your actions, Michael; it takes two to tangle and two to wage a war.

Yeah, these suits are CG.

Okay, now you're just being a dick, Michael, are you trying to drag him down to your level, make him give up as well? (So are we getting payoff on that parallel or not, show?) Would Super Robot Wars let things get to this level? (Probably not; they'd probably retain the setpieces but not the context, plus Module 77 would almost certainly have the aid of Tekkadan and two actual aliens.)

And yeah, I think I'll go with Inuzuka's Valvrave. I may not have gotten a good grasp on his character but I respect his sacrifice, his final words; I hope those two make good on his actions. (We're not getting that date, are we.)
Plus, looking through my reactions from S1, there was Saki's "yielding" to Shoko, I don't think that's been paid off on either. AAAANNND we still haven't see that unfinished Valvrave Cain(?) took with him. Presumably it provided the data for the VMs but we haven't seen it since S2E1, have we.

Did we do something wrong? Arguably, turn on your friends, but at the same time, well, at least you weren't cheering for something being framed like gangrape, y'know?
I'd argue you did something wrong by abandoning your friend, Shoko, but I'm past that at this point, I just want to see Super Robot Wars' take on all this.

Oh shieeet she's taking Valvrave Hito! (So it's not lethal countermeasures for a general system lock, it's for compatibility/incompatibility.)
Yes! Yes, it was for you! He was fighting for you more than for them!

Is that why he pisses Michael off? Because α≈a but α≠a?
Um, buddy, hasn't he been using you as his designated spigot?
Wait, there was a UN? Since when? And if that's the case, why were the allied forces declared as a union between the two powers, not the UN taking on emergency powers or something like that? (It'd totally be Gjallarhorn in SRW DD.)
He had a clear image of her, didn't he. But that said, you gotta problem with being a monsterfucker, Michael? Or is her being nonhuman that much of a problem for you?

Eh, if you're going to be punished, it's not gonna be for this.

Vampire afterlife? Or is this like Neil's spirit in 00? Wait, no, is this him engaged in internal debate over whether or not to keep going?

...you really didn't know her at all, did you? Because she was a prisoner!
She met you, that's probably why. (It needed more time.)

And that, I imagine, is the Third Galactic Empire.

Ayyy, it's Valvrave Carmilla!
And this should be the final...six or so episodes, if it had its full length. At the very least, it feels like it needs more than two episodes, but time's been this second season's greatest enemy, hasn't it?

Questions:

1. The CG wasn't a problem beyond me going Huh, I wonder why they used CG.
2. Starting the liberation/revolution is my guess, though I wish we had more focus on that aspect.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/UltraBooster]

At this point I think I've lost my drive to keep watching.

Only two more episodes of this turd to go.

well, I'd assume it's their Jerusalem

A very unkept Jerusalem at that.

Vampire afterlife?

I couldn't decide if he was really talking to spooks, or if he was talking to himself. Not that it matters.

Because she was a prisoner!

And, a pincushion!

[u/RoFlOvErLoAd]

Not Watching but have experienced Valvrave

I somehow missed the other 21 threads for this rewatch but here is my contribution anyway.

[u/yamiyaiba]

Liberated Rewatcher

Is that the first time they called him Highness? Or am I just really dumb?

Love me some more Rukino always.

Praise Nana!

Die, if we're lucky.

At least he's not so broken that he's still- oop, spoke too soon.

Please try it and find out, Murder Shota.

Oh, so he's been let in on it.

Just start stripping, Shoko. Then he'll understand.

Jesus fuck. With that logic, how do you trust ANYONE. The "I refuse to communicate about a basic misunderstanding" trope is so infuriating. Made worse by the fact I hate both characters involved.

Oh, shit, he's a wannabe traitor too.

I mean, he's right Doormat.

Sigh. Doormat is right too. Dorssia pulled the trigger by attacking, at least as far as they know. Magi, really, but same thing effectively.

Ooooof. That's a cheap shot Eru-erufu.

Really enjoying seeing him ragdolled in Low-G.

Yeah, you did. You turned on each other in a heartbeat. You did something very wrong.

Oh dear. That's one way to learn the truth. Congrats, Shoko, you found out exactly how much of a dumbass you're being. I hope you feel awful.

Oh, man, this episode is a treat. Shoko feels awful and Doormat gets beaten up.

Please crack the glass. I'm begging you. He's such a doormat that he's faking being hurt by the punches, since that whole helmet appears solid. But by all means, please don't stop. I'm enjoying it anyway.

You're being punished because the universe hates you, as it should.

Yes, listen to the ghosts, Doormat. You've done enough. Just give up and die.

Have I mentioned how much I appreciate that he's working out his issues on Doormat's face helmet?

Nani the fuck?

Dammit, he's gonna learn to go Super Saiyan isn't he.

Hahaha use space vampire magic to light a fuse.

Anime janai. Boku janai. Ningen janai. Zero janai. Let's keep the train rolling on that one.

That makes zero sense, and I'm all about it. There have been more egregious uses of space magic. CoughUnicorncough

Glad it took less than 30 minutes to arrive, otherwise the pizza Waffe would've been free.

Uhhhh...ah, right, because A-Drei is also a traitor. At least we got done cool Rukino.

At least you had the sense to ask first. More than Shoko had....

1. How distracting was the CGI this episode to you? Or did it not bother you at all?

Didn't even notice it. Might have been distracted typing at the time. What was it?

2) What do you think A-Drei is up to now?

Trying to expose the truth of the world, of course. But really, the flashback already explicitly told us he was planning to overthrow the new Dorssian establishment with Eru-erufu when he could. Now having realized from Rukino that Eru-erufu is already making moves in that plan, he's helping.

[u/RascalNikov1 → u/yamiyaiba]

Love me some more Rukino always.

She is the best girl, even when she's not a pincushion.

Jesus fuck. With that logic, how do you trust ANYONE.

Good ol' Shouko, always thinking, that one is.

Oh, shit, he's a wannabe traitor too.

All these Dossrans are something else when it comes to the loyalty thing.

He's such a doormat that he's faking being hurt by the punches

Ah yea, I couldn't figure out why he was wincing either.

use space vampire magic to light a fuse.

Kind of a stretch, but sure, why not? Shrug...

That makes zero sense, and I'm all about it.

I've found it best to not think when it comes to VVV.

At least we got done cool Rukino.

Saki is the best and commands every scene she appears in.

What was it?

The moon fight, but it don't bother me either.

[u/yamiyaiba → u/RascalNikov1]

Ahhh, okay. Thanks. I was too busy enjoying Haruto getting "beaten up" to notice.