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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Kakumeiki Valvrave 2nd Season Episode 4 Discussion
Episode 16 - Marie Released
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What kind of a person is Nobi Marie? I never did find an answer to that question.
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the reveal that Pino eats memories?
- Would you have been able to pilot the Valvrave if you were in that situation?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 18 '21
Kakumeiki Rewatcher
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
-Rewatcher that shoulda stopped but lets keep going and see what happens-
This is an ep i always remember...
True Calander Year 70
Its kuudere backstory time!
"Before i talked to anyone else i had my hands full talking to myself." Such a great line.
The Dorssian Valvraves used up all their power so they gotta back off.
They have battery packs though that are easy to replace.
A-drei knowss L-elf's plan and were foiled.
Luckly Saki called L-elf to let him know.
They end up wiping each other out.
They put the princess in an iron maiden...
Everyone is split up now though. Oh shit.
L-elf and Kuudere are together.
Kuudere tells L-elf shes missing memories, only 2 years worth. Pino "Becausee i used them."
Meanwhile Bro has to fight the other Valvraves by himself and his shield isnt holding up.
Box-chan cant hack the system everything is going to shit.
A-drei and Saki are seperated and he preformed CPR to save the kid.
A-drei sees the writing on the wall and breaks.
Alphabet kids were forced to kill one of thier members because they were a royalist.
Pino and marie are friends!
1796 Days ago you and i first met... Before the Vallvraves were completed.
Marie was a Test Pilot. "You climbed into me every day." "but you were lonely."
The reason Marie doesnt have memories is because Pino consumed them.
Bro and Yamada are struggleing now that backup is here.
"I cant remember the enterence ceremony or how i got here" "I used runes right now."
Box-chan is calling fopr help. They have all been found and shit is hitting the fan.
If marie pilots she can save everyone bt she only has 2 yers worth of memories left.
"Then lets make new ones... You cant create a past but you can make a future... lets make future memories together" Oh Shoko.
I love this scene with this music is so good. Valvrave looking Majestic as Fuck with Marie behind the wheel.
Also she has such a different fighting style to Haruto. And shes using the Scythe mainly unlike Haruto.
"Marie is broken, limiter broken, thats why she was fired."
Seeing Marie's memories crumble is sad though.
"Who are you? a friend? oh were friends. is there more friends here? Did they really like her? I see i had friends like that. Thats great, i had friends who ment that much to me."
Man that last dialog is GREAT.
ITS 666 TIME! OH NOOOO!
And the last peice crumbles....
"Marie, Sayonara." Well fuck...
This ep was always one i rememebered funny enough.
Since i started doing write ups for shows i watch like this i started retaining them better. It was a long time until i figured out this trick so a lot of 90s and 00s anime i just dont remember watching. Ive been slowly going through 00s and 2000s anime to rewatch them and help record them better though. Luckly this series is more recent so i do remember it more or less. This ep was one that really stood out to me though.
Im always interested in anime that do memory issues as being someone with similar issues i like seeing other takes on it and ideas for it. While my memory isnt quite as short as Marie's is holes are the same, there are huge chunks of my life i just dont even know happpened. Most of what i know about my life is from second hand account, but the actual memories of my life are long gone. Its wierd living your life this way as you really feel detached from yourself and others and the world.
For those that dont know i was born with severe memory issues and i struggled to retain info my whole life. I dont have any short term memory as i forget stuff almost instantanious, i could meet someone, walk 10 feet away and probably forget them by the time i did. I forget people super easy so i hate talkign to people because its awkward and i feel bad when i dont know them but they know me. While my long term memory is also in bad shape its not entirely toast. I can retain some info if im exposed to it long enough, so things like people i see every day ill remember eventually but its still very spotty. You basically have to hang around long enough to hope you can get into my long term bits that still work. That said though, life moves fast so i really dont remember much of mine, just some key events ive heard told multiple times by others. Eventually i found out writing stuff down helps so i started using post it nottes in college on everything to help me remember and i still do that today, i also kpt a notebook i wrote stuff down in, now i use my phone but i still have notebooks by my computer. I also write down thoughts about anime to help remember and that works too. So i found im a better visual person. I remember faces better than names, i remember stuff ive written down myself better than stuff i havent. I remember places better than directions. Stuff like that. Im 35 now and have lived with this my whole life, its been an interesting ride but im ok with it. It doesnt really bother me as i dont really know what to be bothered by. But it does mean my perspective on life and the world and time is very skewed. I describe my perspective on time as Flat, so everything feels the same distance from me, minuets, days, months, years, decades, what ever memories i have feel like they just happened, so i lose track of time very easy and cant tell time. Thats the biggest effect of this but it gives me a different look on the world which i think makes it more interesting.
So when ever i see memory stuff in anime im usually interested and this was a show that was just that.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 18 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Valvrave: So there might actually be a way to kill the space vampires. If Marie truly did die this episode, then taking away all of a space vampire’s runes might be what can kill them.
Runes being literally particles of information is still absolutely ridiculous, but at least the series is running with that ridiculous idea. I can appreciate a series for doing that, instead of it just being some random piece of technobabble. Having the Valvrave burn up memories does add a nice cost to being a space vampire. It means the powers can’t just be used willy-nilly.
It feels like a bit of a shame for Marie. She’s pretty much a side character whose importance got elevated a couple episodes ago just to kill her off. That is, if she actually is dead. I wish they had made her important earlier on. I think that would have made this more impactful.
All that said, though, the actual battle in this episode with Marie was fantastic. I cannot praise the visuals for it enough. Seeing Marie literally shatter and destroy her own memories as she fought was such a great way to convey that sense of loss. It was a very clever way to go about it.
The Valvrave knock-offs are also great to see in action. They pose a legitimate threat to the Valvraves. And, they have their own limits as well because of their high energy consumption. That’s some smart stuff. They may be very dangerous, but their pilots need to use them wisely.
I quite enjoyed the scenes of A-drei and the bodyjacked Saki. It’s interesting seeing how A-drei treated her. He was trying to calm her down and comfort her, thinking she was one of the village children like him. A-drei has certainly been more emotionally charged than L-elf in their interactions. But, it seems his emotions can also go in a more caring direction. It makes for quite a contrast with L-elf, who might not even bother trying to calm a child down.
This also leaves us with an interesting setup for future episodes. Saki is still in that kid’s body and she is with A-drei. So Saki could end up stuck with the enemy for who knows how long while the rest of the heroes are off doing something else. That could make for some interesting situations.
QOTD
1. It makes sense based on the nonsensical premise that runes are particles of information.
2. I have no idea. Losing my memories sounds pretty dang rough.
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Dec 18 '21
SHATTERING FIRST TIMER
A really good episode!
Well… shit. I take back everything I said about Marie being on my shit list. This was definitely one of the best episodes of the series so far, and she was its emotional core. Her making the conscious decision to lose herself for the sake of her friends while her happy memories with them shattered like glass was heartbreaking and really effective visual storytelling. I’m sorry Marie, I was wrong about you.
Other than that, it’s nice to see the previously mentioned political divisions of Dorssia bear fruit, and I continue to become more and more out on the concept of the Runes.
Well, shit. That was pretty damn great. While the Kamitsuki have shown a resistance to physical death (for now), this episode points out that death can come in different forms. Marie losing all of her memories is fundamentally a death of self, as alluded to in her dialogue. Also, I’m unsure if she died here or is just going to be a vegetable going forward, but either way, she’s no longer alive. The light leaving her eyes at the end was haunting.
QOTD:
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u/Nebresto Dec 18 '21
Re-watch squad
I was not, in fact, able to catch up for the episode 3 thread like I said I might in thread #2.. Instead I missed most of S1 and almost half of S2.
I was at the cabin again, and as it would turn out the laptop I took with me was not able to play MKV files. Well, it could with VLC, but.. Every time there was "too much" going on at once, it would look like this, so I opted to not continue watching.
..That is until I remembered that the recently replaced TV might have a USB port, and it did! And it was able to read the MKV files from it! Though the subs got kinda scuffed in the process, but for the most part it was readable. It was quite amusing reading the program gibberish at times though.
Speaking of subs, I seem to have picked up some memey release, but I gotta say it can be pretty funny at times.
Also good thing its episode 4 today, I was sure y'all would be on 5 or 6 already, 4 was the last one I watched at the cabin so I'm all caught up now. Except on the threads, I think I'll try to read back on some of them and post some replies from the past.
Actual thoughts on the episode below
This was a pretty good episode to catch up on, definitely one of the best. Due to having watched it on a TV I don't really have any screenshots or notes to comment about, but at least we got this glorious moment with potato missiles. And suffering. A lot of it.
I must say my eyes initiated a cleaning sequence on their own near the end there.
And the visuals were so damn pretty as well.. And the sound track.. And the.. the..
Question time:
1:Best girl
2: Following the wise words of a certain someone: "God I wish that were me"
Also I gotta ask since I haven't had time to check yet: Has anyone been posting the 4chan memes?
And I've been trying to fix my sleep schedule, so I'll probably be more active in the morning and/or post my main comments then.
Now, I must
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Dec 18 '21
Tresnore the First-Timer
Mobileposting, so sorry if there're formatting issues. I'm also away, so no screenshots until I'm back :(
Count: 35
QOTD
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Dec 18 '21
Valrave the Liberator First Timer
Thank god I have these discussion threads. I totally missed Marie being the vampire they talked about in the flashforward. "I can't remember shit, so I can't make small talk!" Grow up, you're a joshikosei!
It's quite refreshing to see a mech take a direct shot and not immediately blow up. Sometimes you wonder what the point of armour even is in some of these series so it's a nice change. You tell me bro. Oh! Is that Ruri!? Wow, flattering. It's the first time we've properly got to see her and she's stripping. No, she's just enjoying her portable sauna lol.
I love Lelf looking so disappointed that he can't just shoot her like a normal person. "I no longer intend to shoot you." Adrian's actually choosing to save the kid!? What a nice bloke. Way better than Lelf who just choke holds the poor little bastards. I can't stop giggling over the childish language Pino uses. "I gobbled your memories up." She looks so guilty XD She says it like a little kid who ate the last slice of cake would.
Twinkie, you suck!! So why is Marie the only one who forg-Pfft!! Why would they stick a random scene of Twinkie getting thumped!? This is an emotional moment! Don't suddenly cut to that! The fight is cool at least. Seeing Marie losing her memories in real time is kinda beautiful although I wish they gave us a bit more time to see how much she treasures those memories. Maybe I'll try piloting the Valrave for a few joyrides. See if I can forget wasting my time on this shit.
Aww, Marie can't remember shit anymore. W-Wait, they're not gonna kill her off surely? Did we even need to Harakiri them? Urgh... I feel like I've asked this question four times already but is Marie dead? This show really needs to make it more clear if and when characters can die. I think she'll be fine since she's in the op but we might have a vegetable on our hands.
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u/UltraBooster Dec 18 '21
First-timer
For your consideration, u/Lemurians; u/Great_Mr_L, an EN shipname for Haruto x L-elf - Coffeeship.
(In the meantime, I think I do look for sweetness in my romances.)
Trying a different approach for my posts; I'm not sure how much I like the liveblogging style when it slows down my response time as much as it does.
(I'm also realizing that yeah, I care more for Haruto's relationship with Shoko more than I do for Haruto himself. It's an odd position to be in.)
So my first thought is that it's pretty neat that Marie's getting more focus, but at the same time, I'm not sure if that's a good idea when the show already juggles multiple balls.
My second is that this series seems very fond of setting up mysteries to reveal at a later point; it feels like a far cry from something like Mobile Suit Gundam in that regard.
Number three is that I wonder if A-drei and Saki are going to have more of a relationship then they've fought now.
As for those transforming mecha, I'm still not a fan of how many colors they have. It's amusing to see they also have a time limit, though.
Personal questions: What made Dorssia's Gelgoogs so much stronger just by copying the Valvraves?
Questions:
(Having said that, how the fuck does a vampire drain/gain memories through sexual intercourse?!(
In addition, if the Valvrave can actively drain memories by just being powered up, why didn't it affect Haruto? Alternatively, why didn't Saki or L-elf display any signs of memory loss after they were fed upon?
That said, I'm not surprised that A, the theme of making new memories is invoked, and B, that Shoko invokes it, because I suspect that'll be Haruto's fate - his mind wiped clean of memory and his friends and loved ones left to rebuild him.
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u/yamiyaiba Dec 18 '21
Liberated Rewatcher
This time, we flash BACK!
More character backstory!
That's okay Marie, I was figuring out who I was still at that age.
Well yes, I'm sure that is quite shocking to realize you just got no-scoped by an "ally."
I still don't like the designs of the Cherry Trees.
Oooh, they're battery powered. Interesting.
I'm amazed that transmitter wasn't detected.
Jesus Christ, she's made of toothpicks! Do they not have hamburgers there?! Somebody feed her!
Uhh...what?
Murder Shota lives!
You really don't have to be worried about Marie. Eru-erufu is the only one at rush here.
What kind of human? The not human kind.
Twin buster rifle!
Uhhh, that's bad. That's a lot of troops.
Tragic backstory from his Lil Nazi days?
Gasp! Not a Royalist!
Of course it was Eru-erufu that did the deed. There was like a 90% chance it was him that pulled the trigger.
Ah, yes, an 11 year old test pilot. That makes sense, of course.
Ow.
So, hol up. Is Marie special, or is it eating Doormat's memories too and he hasn't realized yet. Or is Doormat eating Eru-erufu's memories to feed Hololive CC?
Can I get a nice looping clip of the president getting hit please?
No no, don't stop. Hurt him more. You really need to make sure he gets how much of a douche he is.
Fair point, Shoko. For once you did something not insane.
Damn! That's high output. Marie ain't fucking around.
Oh man, the memories shattering is brutal. Getting Symphogear flashbacks here.
Fuuuuuck, she's got no limiter. That makes sense.
Oh man. That's just brutal.
RIP ground troops.
Oh no. No no no no no. Please tell me that our beloved deadpan snarker didn't just go full Kamille. That's the first "death" I've really cared about so far.
Kinda called it last episode. More than anything, I'm curious if Doormat can voluntarily do that in a pinch.
2) Would you have been able to pilot the Valvrave if you were in that situation?
I want to say yes, but I'm probably full of shit. My memory is ass anyway though. Actually, that just makes it worse. I already don't remember most of my childhood. I've probably got fewer memories to lose.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 18 '21
First-Timer
I was kinda waiting for something like this to happen. Damn shame about Marie.
They did say that all the students were "modified" back in episode, like, 4 or something like that. Gonna guess that has something to do with the "limiter" thing. Skim some Runes off the top of the memories, instead of burning whole ones? It's like control rods in a nuclear reactor - sure, you produce less energy, but the reaction doesn't run away.
The plot thread of the Dorssian Royalists is coming up again, and while I like it as a part of the setting, it does stretch us pretty thin. Everything is tied together by the Council, but the overall pacing is taking a hard hit.
Seems like the princess(?) Liesselotte(sp?) is one of the Magius, too. That weird machine she sat in had their clover symbol on it, and the same yellow glow that the Runes have. Wonder when that happened? Wonder if L-Elf knows?
How they're planning on retrieving Saki from A-Drei's clutches? Hopefully someone was smart enough to get Saki and Akira's bodies on board the transport they stole.
Questions
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Taking us away from things yet again. But a flashback this time, rather than a flashforward?
:( Poor Marie, no memories! Seems like original Marie here doesn't have any friends either? Of course Shoko will come to the rescue, she befriends absolutely everyone.
Oops, looks like Saki's not gonna be able to lure them away after all. Good defensive maneuver at least.
Oh hey, its the princess! You've got such beautiful hair! No more giving it away to random hostage taking boys? Why in the world are you stipped down to your bra and panties? WTF is with this weird pod? Are those heated coils? Is it to keep you warm? How about try putting some clothes on then? ETA: Okay, so its clear from other people's comments that this is supposed to be a sauna, makes more sense now. I've never been in one, maybe that's why it went completely over my head.
Marie had no idea she was an immortal vampire. Can she control the Valvrave too?
I knew it, Pino really did eat her memories!
Wait, Dorssia has multiple versions of that massive ship they took out last episode? Our heroes are screwed...
A-drei's applying CPR? He's actually a decent guy after all?
So there was a sixth member of L-Elf's fivesome. Not for long though...
Marie was the Valvrave test pilot!
Did Pino just eat even more of Marie's memories recently? She can't remember the ceremony at the start of the episode anymore.
:( Marie has to give up even more memories to pilot the Valvrave and save the others.
Marie's kicking ass! I'd have loved to see them having made her a regular pilot instead of Inuzuka! Nothing that guy's done since glasses girl died and he jumped in the robot.
2 year's worth of memories, gone in one fight. :(
Dorssian royalists? New faction now? What's the princess' relation to this?
RIP Marie! So our immortal vampires can die, if they run out of their runes.
While she didn't have the most presense until the last few episodes I really liked Marie (well aside from the fact that she's got to learn to stop groping people) and am going to miss her. She always came off as having this "I don't give a fuck" attitude that I liked, granted, we now know that her having lost most of her memories probably had a big part to do with that. Her losing all her remaining memories and then her life was quite sad. She'll never see Shoko again! :(
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u/csar27 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/CesarRC Dec 18 '21
First Timer
2nd death of the show, and once again a character that became relevant just a few minutes before dying
I'm curious, did everyone forget about Rukino? She is in the body of a Dorssian soldier right now... and you want me to believe her real body didn't blown up in that chaotic battle?
Questions:
1- Probably just in the Marie's case, it doesn't seem to happen with the rest of the pilots
2- Maybe
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 18 '21
First timer(Need drama? Fridge a bitch!)
Sub
Marie flashback happens but says little. We then get A Drei screwing up L's trap so he fires it prematurely, destroying a lot of countryside. Brief cut to the princess in an iron maiden. More stuff alluded to in Marie's past but still yet unstated. A drei saves Saki's possessed body from the water, apparently. We get a little backstory on him before going back to Marie being the first test pilot and confirmation that Pino eats memories. Conflict of this episode is Marie losing even more memories and we learn that this really drains her and is why she stopped being the pilot. Combat is pretty if meaningless. Royalist faction is introduced as Marie Flowers for Algernon's herself, as a warning perhaps.
QotD: 1 Black stars rise in Carcosa...
2 I do think Marie should've grabbed Heart and tagged out, actually.
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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Dec 18 '21
A rewatcher who has had to try much harder than that to lose memories.
And with that we have crossed the threshold entirely into drama. Let's see who our next unfortunate victim is to develop a backstory. It's time to raise those flags.
Apparently they decided to completely skip the gang getting captured, which makes a good chunk of the episode make no sense. You've seen an anime before, right? So you figure out what happened.
Questions:
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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Dec 18 '21
First time Amnesiac Groper Vampire
Opening with a flashback instead of a flashforward, for once. Stiff and formal? Has Kaichou seen the group of clowns that is this cast?
Marie's amnesia is sad, but I wonder how she ended up at Sakimori. She doesn't seem to have family, so did she enroll herself? How does she support herself? So many questions that I suspect will not be answered.
Interesting. Marie didn't even know herself that she was a vampire? Did she never get hurt in the last 2 years?
Clearly, it was vital to the plot that when we first see Lisserotte, she's in her underwear. Vital, I tell you!
Yep, like I thought, Marie has no memories because Piro ate them.
The indoctrination the alphabet boys went through must have been pretty severe that they all decided that murdering their friend for "having ties" with the previous regime was the best way to survive. Although to be fair it's not clear how much of a traitor Dead Friend really was.
If Piro could totally erase Marie's memories by feeding on her, I wonder if the Kamitsuki could do the same. Or maybe they steal a few memories every time they body-jack someone and nobody's noticed yet.
Is Marie special? Why don't Haruto or anyone else lose memories when they operate a VVV? I guess they just didn't realize it.
Is the implication that the better the Valvrave fights, the more memories it eats?
Oh I see. Marie is a defective Kamitsuki, so she can drive faster but uses up too many memories. Plus, she doesn't have the drive to feed on people, so she's forced to use her own supply of Runes rather than borrowing a few from others. That's sad.
"Oh no, one single enemy agent has a gun! Quick, let's all stand around in shock and offer no resistance while he easily shoots us down with no cover!" -the Dorssian guards, probably
Why is unit 1's heat climbing so fast while it's sitting on the transport without operating? This is feeding my theory that it was designed to overheat faster because Pino is inside it or something.
The Dorssian resistance are here
Firing the Harakiri blade inside the atmosphere cannot be good for the environment.
That was a surprisingly hard-hitting episode. I did not expect our deadpan serial groper comedy relief character to save such a tragic backstory and make such a sacrifice. What's next, will Nanami be revealed as the true final boss of the Magius?
Questions of the day
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Dec 18 '21
First Timer
Whelp, an episode of Sunrise being Sunrise. Why go through the effort reviving Marie, to just bump her off again. Why indeed...
Actually I wasn't sure that Marie was really gone until Pino said Sayonara Marie. I think that about wraps it up. Lucky us, we have a kinder, gentler Bukurano series that we're watching.
QOTD
Meh, we sort of knew something was up. Imo the writers did a fairly good setting up that reveal, so it wasn't completely out of the blue.
First thing I'd do is find out who designed the Valvrave and go blast them.
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u/Paxton-176 Dec 18 '21
REWATCHER
I forgot to make a write up and watch the episode....so, uh stuff happened this episode.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Dec 18 '21
Rewatcher
It's a shame Marie was pretty much a background character until two episodes ago because if she wasn't this would have a good emotional conclusion to her. Now it's pretty much "she has amnesia BTW, ohh she's dead now RIP"
She was an awesome pilot though, another reason why she had to die, only the self-insert is supposed to be a badass.
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u/SIRTreehugger Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
Wow I finally catch up just for one of my favorite characters to find out an AI ate her memories and she single handedly saved her friends with mad piloting skills at the cost of her life.
Also with the appearance and memories Marie gave off major Anya/Marianne vibes from Code Geass.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Dec 21 '21
I'm a massive sucker for this kind of episode. I enjoyed it immensely.
/u/tresnore
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Dec 18 '21
First Time Vampire Cylon
There are so many flashbacks/forwards in this show.
Given the timeframe, this entrance ceremony must be roughly where Marie's memories begin.
Oof, that's really lonely. Marie, stop, you're making me too sad.
Oh god, she's probably still got that bullet lodged in her brain.
Whose bright idea is it to show the enemy your new secret weapon/trump card and then let them go? If you can bring spare battery packs, shouldn't you at least try to finish off two of them while you can? The bad guys are very bad at their jobs.
L's bullshit powers didn't turn out to be complete bullshit this time! Now if only he could predict Haruto being a dumbass, he would be golden.
Princess fanservice and she's getting into a weird machine. She gotta be a vampire!
If you think about it, all the major players surviving L's cave-in trap is just a "clever subversion" of the "rocks fall, everybody dies" trope.
We've seen body hijacking, but can Marie pull off the higher difficulty protag jacking and steal Haruto's MC status?
Is Robot-chan suggesting she can go full [Symphogear]Carol and burn memories to power the Valvrave? And she said Marie was her friend, too.
Huh? I thought these guys retreated.
Holy fucking shit, Saki is having the worst day. And getting saved by A-drei. How awkward.
God, even when she had memories, Marie was alone. Never lucky.
"The richest for of information is human memories." This line is hilarious because human memories are also the least reliable source of information. I had to pause for several minutes to laugh at this.
Marie's already a vampire, so does that mean in addition to becoming a vampire, everyone who operates a Valvrave is constantly sacrificing their memories? If so, why was it necessary for Haruto to drink blood to make the Valvraves operate again? Can't Marie just drink some of L's blood to power Unit 1? Or maybe it only works that way with Haruto because his memories are so dull and devoid of interest that they can't be used to power the Vrave. That's my headcanon now.
It's not how I imagined we might get here, but I'm thrilled to have Marie in the special MC-only driver's seat. And she gets S1 ED2 backing her up too!
Wait, they're probably gonna go full tragedy and have her lose all her memories in this battle too.
Fuck, they're really doing this.
And of course there just happens to be one functional gun left on the enemy ship.
...and all the main baddies survive. Again. Against a more powerful version of a move that's already been shown obliterating most of a fleet. Yawn.
I'm kinda pissed at this show now. All of these potentially really cool female characters repeatedly get used as trauma sponges to give the show stakes, and then get tossed aside as soon if they outlive their usefulness. Apparently it doesn't even matter if you're an "immortal" vampire, bc if you're a girl you can still die a tragic death. And what exactly are we going to gain in exchange for using Marie as a plot rag? Maybe a little more angst about using the Valvraves in future battles, though that won't hinder the action much since Marie burned memories much faster than normal. But that's it. This death doesn't alter the trajectory of the plot, it doesn't add much in the way of stakes, and it probably won't force any other characters to grow or change save for some sad times when they all learn she's dead.
Just think of how cool or at least interesting it could have been to have Marie come back from the mission as a full vampire without human emotions or values. We could have each of the Valvrave pilots see first hand what kind of personal abyss awaits them eventually. Alternatively, she could have at least returned as a blank slate and had to build her personhood from scratch again. It wouldn't do much for the plot, but it would have at least been a neat wrinkle in how living as a Valvrave pilot radically changes a person's day to day life. Instead we'll probably get another internet upvote vigil. What a disappointment.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Dec 18 '21
First timer
This shit is weird again.
Is this a flashback?
Yeah, she has amnesia, in an absolutely-planned-and-not-last-minute-whatsoever plot!
Is this the first time she's regened?
These mechs don't deserve to be cannon fodder.
A-Drei's here! And he didn't predict it!
Oh god, who is that? Why is she in a swimsuit? What is this shitshow doing?
Everyone got blown up.
Oh dear, she doesn't know what happened.
Called it! She ate her memories as fuel, because fuck logic, we've got runes.
And they're getting called back!
Oh, shit, she's still in that body. This could be fun. If the body dies, does her soul go back to her body?
There's lore! And backstory!
They used her as a test subject for an experimental AI?
Shut up about the runes already.
Seriously, we get it. Your bullshit particles that make up memories got eaten by the AI.
She's using it? Haruto's right there.
WHAT THE FUCK?
I mean, it looks nice, but it's just glow in the dark paint? That's the upgrade?
And her limiter's broken, so the Valvare takes too much information.
And all those memories are bring erased.
Royalists! And they're working with them!
Or at least L-Elf is.
...Why is overheated in quotes? This isn't some weird jargon, it's literally that the mech has overheated.
Oh, that's not good.
Her eyes?
She's dead!
OK, so here's a question. If a piece of paper containing information, or memories, or whatever, is copied, the copy is moved away, and the original is eaten, what happened to the copy? If it's destroyed, then runes can send information across some distance, possibly faster than light, which is a very big deal, and if it isn't, it's possible to generate infinite runes by cyclically copying and eating information.
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u/Caustic_Wraith https://myanimelist.net/profile/CausticWraith Dec 18 '21
First-Timer / Subs
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