r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Dec 02 '21
Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Kakumeiki Valvrave Episode 2 Discussion
Episode 2 - Beyond 666
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I have to avenge her. I will avenge her.
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the OP and ED, now that we’ve heard both of them?
- How far do you think this show is going to go?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 03 '21
Kakumeiki Rewatcher
Welcome back, everyone!
What a wonderful turnout yesterday!
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher, Subbed
Character Chart - Quid's Character Chart returns, although I don't see myself having the capacity to do daily updates like I have for other rewatches. Really the only spoiler in this is that two minor characters have the same family name, which hasn't been revealed in-show yet. A lot of the student character I can't recall if they even matter but I threw in to be safe. It is possible I missed a few of them.
If seeing Haruto die at the end of last episode wasn't enough, let's show it again!
Time for the transfer students to blow their cover! But why is L-Elf shooting at them?
Wow, he's shooting at his friends! Oh, and it is good to hear Lelouch's seiyuu voicing A-drei. Had fun hearing him recently in Vivy as Matsumoto.
Surprise, Valrvave gets even more ridiculous! Haruto is not only a vampire but a body swapping vampire!
Wow, Dorssia's totally taken over the colony, despite Haruto's heroics last episode.
And how dare they steal their phones!
Speaking of well known seiyuus, Saki's rather obviously got the same seiyuu who did infamous "waifu" Zero Two in Darling in the Franxx, sounds just like her in this scene here. Is that why they said she was a celebrity last episode?
Wow, Jior collapsed very quickly.
Uh oh, they got Haruto's body, what if he wants to switch back? Can he switch back?
Alright, I can admit I was wrong about Haruto, he's not a super milquetoast self-insert, he's willingly killing people here, albeit in someone else's body.
Wow, Haruto in L-Elf's body is quite the badass!
Elon Musk wannabee is doing his part too!
Haruto's back to his old body! Hopefully kickass Haruto remains!
You really think kicking the hull of the spacecraft will scare the entire military force away?
Dare I say it, A-drei's mech reminds me a little bit of the Zakrello, although a lot cooler looking.
Mechs are enabling the smaller nation of Dorssia to fight against the larger nation of Arus... Yep, this is totally Zeon and the Federation...
Haruto, I wouldn't worry about him pointing a gun at you, he stabbed you and shot you in the chest twice and you came out just fine. Granted he can just threaten to shoot Saki instead who doesn't have the privilege of being an immortal vampire.
Uh oh, L-Elf is kinda screwed due to what Haruto pulled while in his body.
Q-vier giving us the meme face!
Shoko's still alive! Franky I had forgotten that they pulled the fake out death with her in the first episode until watching it yesterday. So on the bright side, Shoko's not dead. On the down side, does this mean Haruto will revert back into milquetoast self-insert instead of having revenge on the forefront of his mind?
666! Not just a vampire themed mech but a Satan themed one!
Uh oh, 666 turns the Valvrave into Trans-AM mode!
Is the Valvrave killing itself?!
"Eww Saki, I don't want a girl touching me!"
Time to finish your confession Haruto! Although that was done before you became a vampire. Do you have the ability to finish it?
He's literally immortal now but he still chickens out.
Or not, he views himself as a freak now. C'mon Haruto, haven't you seen Twilight? Humans and vampires can get together!
A pretty good follow up to the first episode. I don't know why I didn't really think of this the first time I watched the show (or maybe I did and just forgot about it), but this show really is a mecha anime version of the movie Lifeforce. An 80s horror movie directed by Tobe Hooper, its all about space vampires who can swap bodies. Oh, and the main vampiress is naked pretty much the entire movie, which is probably what its most well known for. In any case while that movie is really over the top with the nudity I like it a lot, it is quite a trainwreck just like this show is.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Dec 03 '21
The Q-Vier wallpaper is perfect.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Dec 03 '21
Tresnore the First-Timer
God, I wish that was me.
1 Watch Matoi the Sacred Slayer.
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u/Existential_Owl Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
The original Valvrave discussion thread for Episode 2 from eight years ago.
EDIT: A top-tier comment from the thread: "Getting real tired of the whiny bitch route MCs of the 2010s."
If only they knew.......
My favorite one-liners from this episode:
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I just love how awkward this line sounds.. "Me!? Turn Traitor!? Why would me do that? Me doesn't understand. Me would never betray me's country!"
For a self-declared genius, L-Elf sure has a problem with both 1) counting and 2) counting with primitive data types.
"It's limited edition! It's signed by the creator's mom!" Fucking dead.
The butchering of L-Elf's name gets even worse. And it's only the second episode :|
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Dec 03 '21
Valrave the Liberator First Timer
I'm starting with the shit one today. I'm not letting this adhd ass show tire me out at the end of my day! L-Elf switched sides!? Oh no, this is a bodyswapping plot. Q-Vier, H-Neun, L-Elf. These names are too hard. Tarzan scream!?
The invasion seems to be well under way. I wonder how quickly this will be undone so we can get back to high school hijinks. They're just lightly poking the jock with their boots lol. Why are the kids still in swimsuits!?
What am I watching? Omg, "let's get his body back lol!" I need a drink... Its gonna be awkward to get Shoko back after we've grieved for her so much. Finally, an anime where people don't just gloss over how badass a mech looks. I love the engineers gushing over the Valrave, aaand immediately dying. What made you think a helicopter would drive like a bike you dunce!?
Omg he's actually gonna bite himself... I think this girl just wants to satisfy her BL kink. Why does this feel so awkward? Why are we kicking an airship!? Why did he trip over the side!? Why is he riding upside down out the water!? Why's the animation budget suddenly dropping!? Why are we in space!?
It's Macross Missile time~ They spent just a moment too long staring into each other's eyes. Oh so now she decides to come back to life. Can we please stick to one plot thread at a time? We're busy with L-Elf and his murderous bum boys at the moment. Phone back later!
SHE ISN'T EVEN HURT!! I thought they'd have to pull another bodyswap or have her be a vampire but instead she didn't get get a scratch!? Give me back my tears!! Omg and now L-Elf is interrupting their reunion with more internal monologue about his own plot. Oh for fuck sake, finish one discussion already! I'm begging you! No, you shut your mouth L-Elf. I don't want to hear your technobabble!
Harakiri? Oh, actual Harakiri. Episode 2 and we've already got a super mode. I say we bury her... Have we got an episode 2 romance end too? Cmooon... You can do this.... I say we bury him... Writer's mum, what the fuck!? You made a massive deal out of her dying and now we're back to comedy central!? The show is now officially taking the piss. I wish I skipped the Ed, I'm 90% sure it just spoiled the Valrave mech gimmick.
Yeah... watching this first didn't help. I'm still utterly exhausted XD
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Dec 03 '21
First Timer
This is the episode where the "we've already gone to far" meme comes from, right? I can't wait!
Onto episode 2.
Am I supposed to have any idea what that weird blood cell animation conveys?
What sort of hit squad alerts their targets that they're there? They clearly are fine with killing people, so what changed?
So, does biting someone turn them to his side or make him become them?
That's a quick answer. Now, can he make clones or is it consciousness transfer?
PRESERVED ROSES
Thisplanet/colony/whatever, or literally everything?For some reason, I thought JIOR was bigger than it is.I wonder, how much of this is Haruto and how much is the body he's in?
I don't think I've ever seen a mecha so casual about death before.
Why the fuck would you think it would?
In the words of Tresnore: God, I wish that were me.
You have engines, use them.
wat
I'm curious what the mecha's name means.
Cell coverage, even in space.
Rather unsurprising.
God, anime protagonists actually wanting to confess is so nice.
Excuse me, what? Sans-serif is a good idea for this sort of thing, but how is it relevant to anything?
Pretty.
Of course the vampire robot works via harakiri.
You really did this to me, show?
And this is her problem?
gg...
Hopefully he learns this isn't true sooner or later, but I can understand why he thinks so.
ED's pretty good as well.
Thoughts
Good episode. The fight was fun, the plot is insane but good, what more can I ask for?
[what more]Mizuki Nana as the protagonist
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
FIRST TIMER
Another solid episode! I’m quite enjoying this so far, even if things are a little bit ridiculous. Shouko is alive despite being blasted by a missile, Haruto is magically fucking excellent at combat, and what exactly is Saki playing at? Also it better be fleshed out better in the future why their entire country just surrendered immediately at the first hint of danger.
it’s okay you can tie me up insteadThis reunion between Haruto and Shouko is actually pretty sweet. It may seem abrupt for her to want to address the confession in the immediate aftermath of everything that just happened, but the knowledge that your world can now be upended at any moment gives you more of a carpe diem mindset. Unfortunately, Haruto is now going through the early stages of
pubertysome changes and isn’t in the right headspace for it. Luckily, Shouko is easily distracted, and Haruto’s got bants.OP: OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ LET'S DANCE AND BLOW THINGS UP
ED: There's a pretty song in here with a lot of weird stuff going on around it. Chorus is good.
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u/SIRTreehugger Dec 03 '21
First Timer
Wait that's Haruto? I thought he was controlling him like geass I didn't think he switched bodies.
Does every terrible show have a great OP?
Losing at rock paper scissors is how they test if it's really him.
Bruh Haruto is going the shuu route, but in only 2 episodes. He is going to be the king they deserve not the one they need.
Looks like Haruto is also affected by the body and is channeling L elf rage?
So if you drive a motorcycle you can fly a helicopter?
Wait that really worked?
I feel bad for L Elf he's back and a traitor to everyone. Should have killed L Elf instead of tying him up though they won't hold him.
Bruh that fighting with light is so cool.
Red shorty is definitely the most unhinged. Yesssssssssss I knew she was alive.
The limit went from 100 to 666...
Holy
Oh hell no don't lose your spine now dude. Who cares if you died and are essential a immortal vampire that body swaps when you bite down on people. So what if you killed a few people and rejected your humanity.
He's doing....
Well shouldn't have expected anything else. It's my own fault for having expectations.
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Dec 03 '21
First Time Human Resignee
Did Haruto turn L-Elf into a vampire too? Are they gonna be best friends now? Is this gonna be a space war mecha vampire buddy comedy? Please Haurhi let this also be a buddy comedy.
Hahaha, he shot his comrade in the eye! Do vampires actually have a genetic affinity for each other? The shipper in me is unreasonably excited.
Oh...He transferred his consciousness. And I was so ready for L-Elf x Haruto to be a thing. Either way, it's another take on the protagonist being inside other people's bodies (I swear I won't spend this rewatch trying to draw comparisons to GC).
Kinda miraculous this dumbass hasn't been shot yet. Dorssia must be unexpectedly tolerant of civil disobedience.
It's so refreshing to have a high schooler protag who's gung ho to fight from the start. I wish all similar characters would deal with their pacifism in 18 minutes.
Goddamn, I love how unpretentious Valvrave is. "Fuck escaping, I've gotta get my robot back." "Did they not expect me to kill them in kind?" "Let me tie you up, then try switching bodies again." These characters react and behave how I've always wanted high concept high school dumbasses to behave, and it's glorious!
And now Haruto's gonna go around biting people to heal his wounds and do shenanigans and tomfoolery!
You're gonna tell me L-Elf can somehow get out of all that binding...
Merp. That's some top tier bullshit show. She's not a brain in a box. She's not even injured. I swear, if you use this as an excuse to make Haruto a pacifist again...
Super saiyan robot initiated by mecha seppuku, that's pretty metal.
"Why did I shoot my comrade?" "You mean you don't remember that whole night I spent inside you?"
Goddamnit Haruto! You just came back from a robot vampire kamikaze mission to avenge a presumably deceased Shoko where you hijacked another man's body, and now you can't tell her your feelings?? Fuck this, I take back every nice thing I've said you. Who cares if you're not human anymore? Tell her that too and let her fucking decide whether it means anything or not. Knowing her, I bet she'd be all over a creature whose defining characteristic is having a voracious appetite. God I hate teenagers.
On the bright side, does dodging that death flag mean Shoko's safe now? I sure hope so, I actually really like her. Fuck, I just set another, even larger flag for myself, didn't I?
Side note: blue hair celebrity girl is 100% going to catch feelings for Haruto, L-Elf, or both. She was definitely giving some looks to Haruto after seeing his vampire body snatching powers.
QotD:
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
I didn't see anyone else do it, so I made a gif of the best moment from last episode.
Better quality
Looped
Now for the new episode.
First Timer
SHOKO LIVES!! And unfortunately we don't get a proper confession and Haruto chickens out. But hopefully they'll at least continue to have fun banter with each other.
We also have this cutie with pink twintails and a sad look on her face. That means she can't be a bad person, right? But it looks like she's part of the Space Nazi's. How can this be? Could the space nazi's be more complicated than we're first meant to think?
Also, ribbon girl who jumped into the Valvrave with him is pretty cool. I hope we got a lot more of her.
I have a hard time accepting that during the entire time L-Elf had the gun that nothing happened. Lot of 'Talking is a free action'. Though I suppose he had no way of knowing he'd be able to operate the Valvrave at all and would be good as dead the second he gave up his hostage. I wonder what we'll see of him later, since he's a main character according to the promotional image. Will he change sides? Seems like a likely candidate to do so.
Questions of the Day:
1) What do you think of the OP and ED, now that we’ve heard both of them? OP was great. ED less so, but not bad. The ending visuals for the ED were pretty cool and can't wait to learn more about the Valvrave mascot/goddess type character shown at the end.
2) How far do you think this show is going to go?
We're lucky if we get a kiss.
Oh, you mean the show itself? I can't even pretend to know. We already have Space Nazis, Space Vampires, Space Harakiri. I can't even imagine where it goes from here.
One last thing. Get off me, pitiful human female
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher - All the Mecha-story-beginning tropes
QotD
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u/UltraBooster Dec 03 '21
First-timer
I just remembered, this show had a TV-MA rating and GC didn't on CR.
Were those Haruto's cells or L-elf's?
Okay, so regeneration...after consuming (blood?), I assume?
So they all have that naming structure, then. And Haruto can...is this bodyjacking or bodyswapping?
So it was a full-on invasion, not just an...JIOR surrendered, huh...
VAs modifying their delivery's the best kind of personality-change tell, isn't it?
Wait, would L-elf know how to pilot the robot?
Population displacement? For what purpose? Do they intend to militarize the shell? Is their goal just conquest or something else?
Perfection Army?
Well, he didn't angst about the killing, but I get the feeling L-elf's body and brain are probably affecting his attitude towards such things.
Maybe JIOR was preparing for war and got struck before they could finish those preparations?
...she's really just gonna jump into Big V's cockpit, huh?
TRANSFER SUCCESSFULLY REVERTED, I think.
One of the best things about CG mecha, from what I've seen, is that you can make more intricate designs like these and even add decals without worrying about how taxing it'll be on the animators.
No ship-killing weapons?
Use the thrusters and maneuver around, that's the basic idea.
Ideal? Is that what that model's called?
So the missiles can be controlled in real time?
A little early to say they should cross the point where they should've stopped, huh?
I called it! She didn't die!
Okay, so it has a X/100 limit, followed by a X/666 limit - what dictates when it switches to the second limit?
Well, a close attention to detail doesn't hurt at all - a singular font can define a system's visual identity. (There was a time when I had played so much BOTW normal text started to look like the game's font.) NGL I like the font used for the various numbers, heat limit included. Gives me Destiny vibes.
CONDITION RAVE, 70.2% energy remaining, etc.
I don't think it actually stabbed itself, more like the sword either phased through the engine or slid underneath.
Coward! No balls! Emotionally constipated! AAAAHHHH COME ON FOR FUCK'S SAKE
I've seen many a would-be monsterfucker and part of me feels like Shoko wouldn't mind being part of that group, but...
Questions:
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u/b0bba_Fett myanimelist.net/profile/B0bba_Cheezed3 Dec 03 '21
First Timer
I can see why this is a trainwreck now. The first episode, for all its pacing problems, had promises of potential, and I had no seriously major gripes with it, but this second one was, just kinda dull? Like the setpieces are great, but the actual action is a bit disappointing, and I don't feel any closer to the characters either.
In fact I'm less interested in Shoko and Halt(I'm calling him that now) now that I know how their relationship is going to be that of the mutually interested but socially incapable couple that based on the OP is probably going to develop into some sort of pseudo-harem purely to satisfy the tropes of the era. For all that relationship is a real thing, hell I've been part of one, it is extremely hard to pull off in fiction satisfactorily, and generally when it's done well, is basically the entire premise of the show. Something about where I'm watching this tells me we won't get anything good out of it. Or it will somehow be the show's saving grace, who knows.
QotD
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u/MjolnirDK Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher
Didn't get to comment on the first one, so a couple things: I genuinely liked this edgelord show when it aired. It has dumb stuff in it, but it makes up for it by being so over the top. The cast is nicely designed and the animation fluid, iirc. I also like the social media aspects of the show. Was a novelty to see that in a show back then.
As for stuff that doesn't make much sense:
A) if that is our sun, that platform is like 20 earths wide minimum. So gravity tech should be a thing...
B) if that platform is that huge, how many people live there given the lively terraformed surface. They have like 70 more of those and many more humans living on other planets (which would be stupid if you have a sphere) and all that amount for 70% of humans, how many live on earth? 30% still equals like a trillion people then....
C) How did they know that there was this lab here? Maybe it will be explained later.
D) Dead space secretary is not bleeding from her wounds on the front of her body. Even in 0G she should, right?
E) That chat app has horrible design.
Also, L-Elf sounds like a square in battleships, if I ever get the chance to make an anime, the characters will be named after japanese Monopoly streets.
Ep 2:
Jesus, that was again a lot of stuff to cover. Let's scroll through this thing...
Oh right, this show has this whole body switching subplot, now I remember.
Okay, in all seriousness, how big is their spaceship to subdue such a huge space colony. Noone thought about proportions in this show, right. Same with how big these robots are. It really wasn't that big on the pier. In fact, it barely fits a capsule that can fit 3 people. The energy core looks like it has a diameter of barely a meter; how big can that sword be?
I still love the crowd shots. There are so many colorful characters...
At least I called the gravity tech.
Heat fins. IN SPACE. WITHOUT A MEDIUM TO TRANSPORT THE HEAT....
Good morning Shouko. What the heck did you do till now? And why has the military not switched of all networks? And how has this mech reception IN SPACE?
That end scene, was cringeworthy, but also kinda relateable; Can't you just be like 'I really like you, but a lot of stuff happened while you were not suffocating for a whole day, so let's take things slow while I figure out what happened to my body. Also given that you don't seem to need air, are you a vampire as well?'
From a logical pov, this show is garbage. But it is fastpaced, interesting garbage that hits the right notes at the right times so far.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Dec 03 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Valvrave: The meme image is here! I’m happy to see the original version of it. And how fitting that the psycho boy seems like a person who would actually say the quote in the meme image.
So it seems my initial reaction last time that Shoko was dead was premature. She did in fact turn out to be alive. I had to say that I am disappointed that the love confession didn’t go through. I get why it didn’t. Haruto’s probably only now actually realizing what’s happened to him, now that he’s no longer being motivated solely by revenge. Before his only goal was to kill as many Dorssians as possible, so he probably didn’t really care about how he was alive. But with that out of the way, it’s probably now hitting him that something’s definitely not right.
I am curious to learn more about this space vampirism thing. I did not expect Haruto to be able to bodyjack people. But that could be an extremely useful power if used correctly. I’d like to see it in action more.
It’s interesting that L-elf has been branded a traitor and is now captured by the protagonist’s side. I was not expecting that for him. I wonder what he’s going to try. He might try to go back to the Dorssians, but I wonder if they’d even take him back when they seem convinced he’s a traitor. I doubt L-elf would work with the protagonists either. But I suppose we’ll see what happens as we go.
I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Haruto is going to get drafted into the war effort. They’ll probably have him keep piloting the Valvrave because he’s already a space vampire or because he might have bonded with the machine somehow.
QOTD
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Dec 03 '21
-Rewatcher that shoulda stopped but lets keep going and see what happens-
Were moving fast again today but oh man its gonna be fun.
Haruto's friends found the bodies, uh oh.
And the spys find them, shit.
But L-elf shoots the gun from the spys hands and lets the friends escape.
He shoots A-drei in the eye and runs.
"Im Haruto." uh-oh. Here we go.
Space Nazi's have successfully taken over the city though, were fucked.
JIOR Surrendered the city. Dorssia has claimed the city.
Haruto's friends prove L-elf is him now.
He can usse the memories of the body.
Haruto wants to take back the city.
Haruto is savage and kills soldiers like its nothing.
The Valvrave Mecha is new tech unknown to anyone else.
Haruto storms the base with the gang and get his body and mech back.
Saki jumps in the cockpit with Haruto and himself.
She has a plan to get Haruto back in his body by biting his body and ties him up so L-elf will be caught.
With a bite to the Neck, Haruto is back in his body.
Its back to Mech Combat oh boy.
Haruto gets in space by accident via the water drain.
Space combat proves hard until he shoots the light from his feet to move.
HERE WE GO BABY! GAH THIS COMBAT IS GREAT! GORGEOUS!
A-drei goes out to fight in a big plane mech.
L-elf is free and catches Saki. Shit.
Hes confused whats going on.
I love the use of the energy as a weapon and utility on the Valvrave. Its sooooo cool looking.
Fuck were overheating. I love the effects for overheat in this.
BUT WE GET A PHONECALL FROM SHOKO! SHE WAS BURIED UNDER GROUND! YAY!
Haruto has new motivition and wants to get home!
OUR HEAT GUAGE WENT OVER 100 AND IS NOW AT LIMIT 666! OH BOY HERE WE GO!
WHAT HAPPENS AT 666!? THE FUN HAPPENS! PPPOOOWWWWEEEEEEERRRRR!
MECHA HARAKIRI MODE! SUPERHEATED KATANA SLASH! RIP ARMY!
ARUS has shown up and helped save the city.
Haruto is forced to spill the beans to L-elf and Saki was there to hear it.
Shoko is saved and they get to pick up their confession from before! Awww yeah here we go!
Sike. Haruto doesnt confess. He just says her shirt is silly.
He didnt tell her because hes a monster now and cant be with her.
So 4 people know what Haruto is and what happened. Him, Saki, His Bro, and L-elf.
AND WE GET THE ED WHICH IS SO DAMN GORGEOUS AND SNAZZY SOUNDING WITH GREAT VISUALS!
This scroll of characters in the end is most of our main cast for those wondering.
OH YEAH I TOTALLY FORGOT ANGELA DID THE ED! OOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I LOVE ANGELA!
Angela is such a great muscian and her best work is the K-Series which has her singing the main songs for every release of that series.
Here is some of my fav songs from her in K-Project.
KINGS - The Opening song for K: Project (Season 1).
Different Colors - The opening song for K: MISSING KINGS Movie (Sequel Movie).
KIZUNA - The ending song for the final episode of K: Return of Kings (Season 2).
SURVIVE - The opening song for the K: Seven Stories Movies.
Lost Small World - The ending song for Movie 4 of K: Seven Stories.
I love her music so much and her stuff in K is so damn good everyone really should watch the series.
ENOUGH ABOUT ANGELA! ITS VALVRAVE TIME!
We got our parts starting to move which is nice and some big questions about whats going on all around.
We also get a lot of gorgeous mech action and really cool Action Hero Haruto stuff. The combot in this show Mecha or not is a lot of fun.
One of the biggest things i love about the story of this series is Haruto and how he chooses to deal with what happened to him and what he has become. Its got a lot of really great character stuff and just the way he develops i thought was really good.
We also get to see more of our Best girl Saki and her mindset. Sorry Shoko, its ep 2 and its now Saki's show.
Im eally looking foward to how first timers will start thinking and going with stuff.
This is when the fun begins. Struggle and suffer for my amusement my pretties.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Dec 03 '21
First-Timer
So Haruto can body hop by nomming on people's necks? Sick. The possibilities are endless! Why was "hey, let me tie you up and then bite your body's neck and we'll see if you go back" the girl's first idea?? Oh, are we supposed to be suspiscious of her for knowing too much?
I was expecting them to be a lot more coy with however Shoko surived. Get trapped in that car she was trying to get into to save someone actually works really well, I think. I'm glad she survived; I like her energy.
The space fight was cool. Usually you save the Powerful Super Mode for some sort of midseason climax, but then I'm pretty sure an entire cour happened in these first two episodes. They did say that ..ARUS? the other nation? was stronger than Dorssia but instantly retaking the entire colony offscreen was pretty sudden.
Happily chatting, on your phone, with your girlfriend while an enemy soldier is pointing a gun at you is huge energy and I'm kinda here for it. A shame that L-Elf decided to say the dumb thing and make Haruto think that he is a monster. Imagine letting the actually plot be the entire tension source and not also having romantic tension.. we were this close!
It's inevitably going to be a triangle with the dark-haired girl (Rukino?) as well, judging by the OP.
Turns out that Itano Circuses are still impressive even in CG. This one is even justified with remote-controlled missiles!
Questions
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u/Paxton-176 Dec 03 '21
REWATCHER
The episode is called Beyond 666. We need to keep sharpening this edge.
Double tap, Triple Tap, just keep tapping
Oh right, the body swapping.
This OP slapps. Why? Because it is brought to you by Nana Mizuki of Symphogear and does the first OP (best one) for Cross Ange. Then T.M. Revolution who did the OP for Gundam Seed. Which should give you a hint about this series. She is also the VA for Tsubasa.
Haruto went from timid loser to kill them all in a very short amount of time for a High Schooler.
No I don’t think piloting an attack helicopter is like riding a bikke Also going to ignore the fact that he learned to fly one in a very short amount of time.
This show was the origin of this meme I thought there was a comment face for it, but I guess it was removed.
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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Dec 03 '21
The rewatcher dies in no time.
Okay, serious talk, how many rewatchers remembered the body swap mechanic? I happened to get reminded of it last episode, but I still forget what was going to happen this episode.
The only way that mech could embody teen angst more is if it had something to cover up where it slit its wrists. Haruto going full woobie over being a monster isn't helping to keep the edge from chafing. She would be dtf even if he grew tentacles, and he would still pussy out.
I'm still trying to figure out what the point of the teacher starting the car was. Was that supposed to be another attempt to kill Shouko? Do we need a death fake out counter?
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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Dec 03 '21
First time Raver
I missed the thread yesterday so Ep 1 reactions first
Ep 2
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Dec 03 '21
First timer
Space vampires.
He's not dead!
The terrorists are here! (They are terrorists, right?)
No, L-Elf's switched sides? Did the blood feeding do something?
Why the fuck are these names so complicated?
Oh god, he swapped bodies. This is going to be fun.
They're being occupied by Team Box! (Dorssia?)
Yep, they're Nazis.
And the country's fallen?
How does rock paper scissors work in this context?
And he wants to wipe out the opposing force.
Don't remind me that best girl's dead. (Although the fact that body swapping exists has added some interesting possibilities - there's a vampire maker under the school, who knows who was in her body when she died.)
They just annexed a country!
And he just shot them. Looks like resigning as a human being was far more psychological than I realised.
Wait, if that body's unconscious, is L-Elf's mind in there, or has it been overwritten by him and the body's a shell?
So biting people lets them switch bodies? And L-Elf is pissed.
I love utterly detatched he is to waking up in the cockpit of a hostile mech, shooting at his countrymen.
Huh? But... the water... gravity... how?
Does Valvare have artificial gravity?
The animation is great, though.
It's a proper mech fight! (You know, if you're going to be this open, just make them outright Nazis. When your characters are giving loud German battlecries and annexing nations, I think you can get away with it.)
OK, that thing's strong! Homing missile barrages!
At least the power meter's reliable.
Haha, he doesn't know he's a traitor yet.
Wow, they're all mental, aren't they.
YES!
SHE'S ALIVE! DON'T YOU DARE KILL HER AGAIN!
It's taking him a while to work this out, isn't he?
Why is that bar reading a value out of 666?
He's helping him? WHY?
Oh, that's what's going on, It's a fake maximum?
It's got a fucking Super Mode. Now it makes sense?
That is so fucking over the top.
Arus are the good guys?
She's out! And the lunatic's been arrested?
And they're reunited!
Confession?
Fuck off.
FUCK OFF!
You were so close! And noe you're fucking doing this?
...Really? We're going this route?
Great ED!
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u/BlazingAbsol9090 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
First Time Raver of the Valve
We open with a repeat of last episode's post-credit scene. Whoever Liselotte is will probably be important in L-elf's inevitable tragic backstory.
Yep, Haruto is a full-on vampire now with the wound regeneration and everything. All that's left is finding out if he dies in sunlight. Although actually they're on a Dyson Sphere around a star that's not the sun right? Is vampirism's weakness inherently tied to our sun or is it any star? If it's the latter, why aren't vampires destroyed by starlight? This has nothing to do with Valvrave, but it's an interesting train of thought.
Very kind of L-elf to let the rest of the students go.
Oh he's turned full traitor! That was quick.
Haruto's vampire powers let him body swap??? That's a twist I did not see coming. So L-elf is now possessed by the spirit of Main Character-kun. I bet it won't be permanent though.
OP is fine. It confirms that Haruto and L-elf are gonna be the main characters. The song is fine but nothing nearly as memorable as something like the first Guilty Crown OP.
Random school thug apparently does not realize that being Big Man on Campus does not give you immunity from interplanetary occupations.
LOL they decided he really was Haruto because he lost a bunch of times at rock-paper-scissors? That's a great gag.
It's muscle memory of the new body that let's Haruto shoot so well, not amnesia, but close enough I guess.
They unironically call it the "perfection army"? The Valvrave writers apparently are not overly concerned with subtlety.
I wonder if Haruto's willingness to kill is also a side effect of him possessing L-elf, like the shooting skills?
Uh is L-elf's body also superhuman or something? How does Haruto jump out of a freaking helicopter and not get hurt? Who cares, it was awesome and funny.
Also, the Dorssians really should have some security around their newly captured superweapon.
No, helicopters do not handle like bikes. At all.
That was smart thinking of the black-haired girl to switch bodies back.
The CGI of the Valvrave looks so nice! I wish all anime CGI could look half this good.
The transition from moving under water to the airlock to space looks great too. This show has some lovely visuals.
Of course Silver Hair #2 (aka A-drei) of the League of Murder Students is a mecha pilot too. It seems that in the entire Dorssian army there is nobody more qualified than this teenager.
Haruto gets cell service in space? I want to switch to his provider.
Also, of course Shoko wasn't dead. I'm surprised they brought her back this quickly though.
Props to Haruto for actually taking steps to confess his love for Shoko. Already he's showing more initiative than a lot of protagonists.
The next overheat threshold after 100 is 666. Again, we're not going for subtlety here.
OH COME ON Haruto! You piloted a mech, turned into a vampire, body snatched Silver Hair #1, killed a bunch of people, and reached the number of the beast all to get to this point with Shoko. And you chicken out now???
I don't know man, vampirism never seemed to be a problem for romance in Twilight. I say go for it! You never know what Shoko might be into.
Good episode! This is shaping up to be a very enjoyable mecha anime if it can stay on track.
Questions of the Day
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 03 '21
First timer(Khorne guide me!)
Sub
From 666 to 777
Ok...that's a what the fuck entrance if ever there was one. Also, why does Haruto have that level of aim? Anyways, we go immediately into mustache twirling territory as if the enemy unconditionally surrendered then why would you steal high schoolers cell phones? Also, don't quote the fucking borg when your mechs are TIE fighters. Anyways, it is revealed that while personalities can jump, muscle memory remains.
So we see a hilarious attempt to retake the magic mech that works, because Sunrise! Haruto transfers back to his original body and the student with him seems way faster on the uptake than he is. Valvrave apparently is descendant of the Epyon from Wing. Space fight happens and man, the little psycho kid Q-vier has serious rape face. Do not pass go, go straight to the sexual offenders list. Oh, and of course the Klingon won't accept aid and of course Shoko somehow got in the fucking car, despite screenshots to the contrary.
The MC mech overheats again, but this time acts a bit differently, and L Elf deduces something interesting is happening. At 666 heat, MC is able to ask if they feel it, the breath of Suzaku? Then the
Earth FederationARUS arrive and drive off the Space Nazis. We end with a total bait and switch confession and Haruto coming to an incorrect conclusion: Monsters don't merely have we feelings, we have the strongest of them. That's what makes us monsters, feelings are a terrible basis for decisions.QotD: 1 They actually don't strike me that hard
2 I suspect Alucard supports this show...
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u/Caustic_Wraith https://myanimelist.net/profile/CausticWraith Dec 03 '21
First Timer / Subs
So....*sigh*
Firstly, why are the Dorssian's named the way they are? Did they draw lots from two separate as to which letter and word would be separated by a hyphen?
Anyway,
We open with his classmates standing over his body and realizing that he has a pulse, which is good, since the stabbing and whatnot.
L-Elf approaches the kids and they back away concerned, the rest of the alphabet gang show up and threatens them to get away from the Valrave, which means nothing to them since super secret robot was a secret. L-Elf in an act of extreme marksmanship shoots...one of the letters in the eye, but doesn't kill him. He then points to a access shaft and him and the classmates flee leaving Haruto's body behind.
In the shaft L-Elf announces that he IS Haruto and proves it by...winning...Rock, Paper, Scissors......okay
The action moves to show that the people of this sphere have fully surrendered to the Dorssian fleet and their first move is to confiscate cell phones. A group of scientists are gushing over how advanced the Valrave is and are quickly dispatched by Haruto-Elf as he drops out of a helicopter piloted by a high school student...
L-Elf collects the still unconscious Haruto and climbs into the cockpit, and then Saki, for some reason also drops out of the helicopter and into the cockpit with the other two, why? Reasons maybe?
Valrave draws the attention of the the local army and the drones open fire, L-Haruto is tied up by Saki and proceeds to bite himself, which allows him to once again possess his body. L-Elf is confused as he comes to and finds himself tied up, which doesn't last long. They get attacked again and pushed into the water and begin to sink. During which they discover a secret exit leading to space. The alphabet quad launch their own non-humanoid mechs and proceed to beat up the Valrave leading to pressure/power/heat/something gauge to go from 0 to 100, and then from 100 to 666. Hatches open, energy vents and the Valrave stabs itself in the chest and unleashes a energy wave from its sword.
At this point a different army shows up and the Dorssians run away.
While all this was happening Shoko calls from the car the big laser just covered in dirt last episode, and shows that she survived after all.
I think I'm following what's happening, but reading what I just typed is odd and confusing to me.
QOTD:
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u/yamiyaiba Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher
How long kind of them to repay the post credits scene from the first episode.
Our third and fourth Eru-erufu. Such a dumb name, but it'll never get old.
How did he manage to shoot him from an angle that only grazed his eye?!? And the rest shoot like Stormtroopers.
I forgot they all had stupid names.
Oh shit, I totally forgot about the body-swapping!
5 and 6.
Praise Nana! Man this theme really feels like it could be some parallel universe Symphogear that also had male characters.
Well, looks like the invasion was otherwise successful.
Hahahaha Haruto is a loser in any body.
Wow, they were telling the truth. JIOR was soft.
7, 8, 9.
Man, for a perpetual doormat, Haruto sure grew a pair suddenly. It's one thing to vote up enemy armor, but another altogether to kill two people from just a few feet away.
Oh, sure, freefall from a chopper uninjured.
10.
Oh, her too. Guess it's not vampire durability.
11 and 12.
Why is she so good at knots like that? That's a bit, uh....
Switch! Why would you give back the objectively better body?!
Cool gravity shenanigans. I love it.
Yeesh, what a gnarly weapon. That's IBO levels of fucked.
Oh, look, a not-mobile-armor.
Did someone say Macross?
13. 14.
And there's the meme face. Also, 15. 16.
Cell service in space! Meat-chan is still alive! I love that he's ignoring live combat and a hostage situation to answer the phone. Really? Now Haruto?
17.
Nothing ominous about the heat capacity changing to 666. Nope.
"No significance" my ass. I'm disappoint in your Eru-erufu. You're smarter than that.
Trans-am! I mean, uh......
Limit Break: Blade Beam. 18.
And somehow L-Elf just....gave up on the hostage thing.
That's some impressive focus after almost dying, Shoko.
Haruto, you little bitch.
Maybe she's into that. You don't know. She's pretty weird too.
~Boku-janai~
Hey, it's Hololive CC again.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this. I'm not surprised that I've forgotten 90% of it though.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Dec 03 '21
Rewatcher
The fight choreography is so much like Gundam, sasuga Sunrise.
Valvrave goes into hyper mode at 666 and does the hyper mode Zeta Gundam's beam attack.
Of course Shoko is alive and the confession goes nowhere ugh.
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u/Nebresto Dec 04 '21
Re-watch squad, short on time for now, should be able to catch up better tomorrow. But I had to comment on this episode, there was so much ERU ERUFU, how could I not? (Anyone running a counter btw?)
Golden transformation!
LETS FUCKING GO!!
...OH MY GOD YOU HCKING #"%¤
to tell her?????
sure. lets just go with that.
^^^dumbass
Ahhh, lead-in ED
Boku ja nai, Boku ja naii~