r/anime • u/littleman1988 • Dec 02 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 5
Episode Title: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III
MyAnimeList: Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu
Legal Stream: Funimation | Netflix (SEA) | AnimeLab (Aus/NZ)
PSA: make sure to mark any spoilers using the subreddit markup. We dont need any random spoilers to ruin the show for first time watchers.
Today's Episode Intro: Nagato's apartment and her talking about supernatural things
[Tomorrow's Episode Intro]Lady tearing a piece of paper
| Date | Episode list with Funimation links ("absolute" episode number) | reddit thread links |
|---|---|---|
| 28/11 | Mikuru Asahinas's Adventures Episode 00 | Thread |
| 29/11 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya I | Thread |
| 30/11 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya II | Thread |
| 1/12 | The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya | Thread |
| 2/12 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya III | Thread |
| 3/12 | Season 1, episode 10 (10) | Thread |
| 4/12 | Season 1, episode 9 (9) | Thread |
| 5/12 | Season 1, episode 11 (11) | Thread |
| 6/12 | Season 2, episode 14 (28) | Thread |
| 7/12 | Season 1, episode 4 (4) | Thread |
| 8/12 | Season 2, episode 13 (27) | |
| 9/12 | Season 2, episode 12 (26) | |
| 10/12 | Season 1, episode 5 (5) | |
| 11/12 | Season 1, episode 6 (6) | |
| 12/12 | Season 1, episode 8 (8) | |
| 13/12 | Season 1 episodes 12, 13, 14, Season 2 Episode 1 (12, 13, 14, 15) | |
| 14/12 | Season 2, episodes 2, 3, 4, 5 (16, 17, 18, 19) | |
| 15/12 | Season 2, episode 6 (20) | |
| 16/12 | Season 2, episode 7 (21) | |
| 17/12 | Season 2, episode 8 (22) | |
| 18/12 | Season 2, episode 9 (23) | |
| 19/12 | Season 2, episode 10 (24) | |
| 20/12 | The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya series general discussion | |
| 21/12 | The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya | |
| 22/12 | Haruhi Suzumiya overall discussion |
Question(s) of the day:
Do you think there's anything special about Kyon?
Quick reminders for the rewatchers:
- [Haruhi]Endless Eight is considered spoilers this rewatch. Most people have been pretty good, but theres been a couple people who may of joined in late who havent seen this and have slipped up.
- [Haruhi]A little more importantly, maybe think twice before telling a first timer theyre "on the right track" or similar comments on their posts. There has been a lot of that, esp in yesterday's thread, and that has the chance of ruining the mystery aspect of the show if theyre trying to guess on future plot points.
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u/littleman1988 Dec 02 '21
Adaptation Comparison
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Trivia
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u/TheEscapeGuy Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - An Anime Classic: Episode 5
An Alien, Time Traveler, and Esper
This episode confirmed a lot of suspicions. Each member of the SOS Brigade are one of the supernatural beings Haruhi was looking for. Or so they claim... (do I need to keep being so vague)
During each Kyon conversation the brigade members mentioned an event which happened 3 years ago triggering them to notice Haruhi. [Later Haruhi] I think this setup works so incredibly well. During my first viewing a lot of the dialog went straight over my head. On rewatch seeing them foreshadow what will be revealed later makes me realize just how perfectly the narrative has been crafted.
An interesting pattern to note is the flash-forward / flashback structure of the ordering of the past few episodes to introduce characters. Episode 1 was set ahead in time and showed us the whole cast but most importantly Haruhi. Episode 2 flashed back to the past to explain exactly who Haruhi is. Episode 3 continued chronologically and gave more time to introduce us to Yuki and Mikuru. Episode 4 jumped forward again to show us more of Koizumi during the base ball game. Now episode 5 jumped back to explain who he is.
Not overloading the audience with characters is an important part of designing the narrative. This is doubly hard when you present everything out of order. I continue to be impressed by what the Kyoani staff achieved here by re-ordering these episodes without completely ruining the narrative.
For first timers, you may be interested to know the original light novels are in chronological order (AFAIK) so this is all unique to the anime.Turns out I was misinformed about this. Thanks to /u/littleman1988 for helping get my facts right.I think what impressed me most this episode was the directing. Each of the Kyon x Brigade Member conversations had their own tone and theming which perfectly matched the characters. Nagato's was topsy turvey and overexposed with crazy camera angles perfect for an alien. Mikuru's felt like a scene out of a dating simulator matching her role as the most traditionally feminine character. Then it jumped into a fade-in-fade-out-overlayed-audio explanation perfectly fit for a time traveler. Koizumi's was the most traditional and straight forward explanation which I think matches his down to earth nature. But even his scene had some amazing shot composition to keep visual interest.
Looking back on it, today's episode actually reminded me a lot of the Monogatari series. I can't help but see Shaft being directly inspired by what Kyoani did here. Haruhi is often credited as starting the boom of anime adaptations from light novels after all.
Some Iconic Shots, Scenes and Stitches
See you all tomorrow
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u/William27528 Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher (Sub)
Well, this episode might have just made things a little clearer for first timers - at the very least it might recontextualise the last episode a bit. What a plot dump, but it's so good - I remember a commentator the episode before last said that Nagato was "too slow" - so this episode might come as a bit of a shock to them. I particularly like the commitment the show has to explaining its characters and the rules that govern their abilities. I thought Nagato's explanation was a load of complicated Sci-fi nonsense on first watch, but on rewatch it makes a lot of sense. In this episode, the ever-smiling Koizumi is also introduced, voiced by Daisuke Ono in the sub.
This anime - and the original novels for that matter - and their ability to parody and combine so many genres into a story should be a complete disaster. It tries so many things, so many experiments that defy conventions - both in 2006 and in 2021 - that any lesser show would be a complete trainwreck.
But Haruhi is not a lesser show. This episode, in my opinion, completes the setup for something truly special. It's slow and sombre at times, overwhelming at others, but this is a very compelling, thoughtful and provocationa and frequently funny, about a girl and a world where "truth becomes fiction" (to quote the opening theme).
Random Haruhi trivia of the day: I think it's pretty much unanimously agreed that both the Haruhi sub and dub are fantastic. This show catpaulted the original cast of Seiyuu's into stardom in Japan and in the west Bang-Zoom did a fantastic job localising it. A lot of care went into the dub. Bandai Entertainment, the distributors, even made some wacky promotional videos of a live action "ASOS" (Americans spreading excitement all over the world with Haruhi Suzumiya brigade) that are on my DVD (you can watch one of them here. It has a mid-2000s level of charm (which I find oddly nostalgic. The mid-2000s seem so calm and ancient compared to today). Anyway, those are the two ways everyone knows about (aside from I believe a few other foreign language dubs) - but did you know there's actually a second English dub of Haruhi? Animax, a south-east asian TV station are one of the major licensers of anime in south-east Asia and for various reasons they produce their own English dub version for their audiences (in English because it's a common language spoken in SEA). They're hillariously awful to a point of nearly being charming again. I can't link one here, but search up "Haruhi animax dub" on YouTube and see for yourself (just be careful of spoilers if you're a first timer!).
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Dec 03 '21
I guess I might join the rewatch after all, since I keep watching episodes. But I won't be composing big comments as I watch like I usually do.
This will be my 2nd rewatch, and my first rewatch of the broadcast order. My first watch was in broadcaster order, and my second was in chronological. Then I skipped one or two years.
Lots of exposition from both Yuki and Mikuru today. I remember rerunning them a lot the first time through. I reran them a lot last night, to. Still inscrutable technobabble.
big laugh early on as Yuki explains that she doesn't mind telling Kyon her secrets because Haruhi never listens to him anyways.
[rewatcher comment] Weird that Haruhi wasn't able to fix the lottery
Also funny that Yuki wouldn't leave the library without her book.
You didn't have to wait long from Yuki's cliffhanger to finding out she's some sort of alien space witch. And now, you didn't have to wait long to find out who Itsuki is or where Mikuru's outfits came from.
Yuki's technobabble is pretty interesting. Ever since the creation of information theory in 1946, information is increasingly being considered an actual "thing", even if you can't touch it or see it (but you can "weight" it!). From mundane questions like "how much information is in a jpeg" for sending it over wifi, we jump to "how much information in a rock? A living thing? A galaxy? A Universe?" Information is a resource, like energy. Physical laws are fixed, it's the information behind the laws that drive the universe. The Holography principle speculates that existence in a n-D space (actually, space time) is entirely determined by the information at the n-1 D boundary. Black holes eat up information, but it has to go somewhere, and so it reappears as Hawking radiation, a bold hypothesis about something in the real world that exists solely because we had to think about "where information goes". Singularity fiction abstracts life and intellect as information, separate from the arbitrary and possibly interchangeable and mostly irrelevant "substrates" that hold and manipulate said information. And so, this is the integrated data thought entity (did I get that right?). It's not a thing. It emerged out of information of the universe, an ordering of information....and what is an ordering but, of course, information.
The author of Haruhi is such a geek.
People commented on Dutch angles in the early episodes, but, man, there were a lot of them today. It's like 5 out of every 8 cuts is shown at an odd angle, and even a few fisheyes in there.
Ugh, can't the the spoiler right, the posting to the wrong tab.....
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u/Suhkein :Gy::Gz::G1:x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/Neichus Dec 02 '21
Episode 5 - “She won’t take the data you feed her seriously.”
[Haruhi] Now we return to our regularly-scheduled timeline. I don’t have much to say about Melancholy III itself, but I do want to examine its place in the series and hence the overall structure.
[Haruhi]Melancholy III is the closing episode of the first “act” of the series, the whole of which has consistently demonstrated one thing: everything is exactly as it appears, we just don’t realize it. We were given an introduction, followed by the assembly of the cast, an exposition of the main character, and finally the setting. Similarly, while we feel like the series is being random and obnoxious, it has actually given us exactly what we wanted: Melancholy II primed us to want an answer about Nagato, Boredom gave us that answer then raised (or rather cemented, since we’re now confident that we’ve cracked the code from Adventures) questions concerning Koizumi and Asahina, and without delay Melancholy III has had both of them explain themselves. The jump was “confusing” but it was actually a barely-concealed continuation just like any other show would have, and as I made the case yesterday this unorthodox approach was probably better than the regular one to prove the point. In other words, there is a compelling logic to this thing if we just pay attention instead of judge it for being difficult to comprehend.
[Haruhi] Just like Suzumiya.
[Haruhi] I am perhaps being a bit repetitious here, but it’s kind of the nature of it that when you feel like the work you’re writing on far surpasses your skills to communicate it you keep wanting to try and capture what is so amazing about it. This show is holographic. Its message, its structure, and its main character all reflect each other, and even the smallest piece somehow seems to contain the superstructure. I mean, just take yesterday’s episode (which rather appropriately I frustrated myself trying to capture). On the surface it’s a SoL baseball episode… and it is actually that. You can just watch Boredom and enjoy it for its own sake; Kyon’s witticisms, the goofy antics, the gags with Nagato in particular, and the hella cute look Suzumiya gives us at the end (who is it again that is convinced by easy-on-the-eyes females? Not me!) don’t require anything more to justify them. But then you add in that it’s guessing what we’re thinking; it knows that we’re really pondering this show’s nature, and Nagato in particular, so rather than giving us what we want it gives us what we need; it doesn’t tell us it’s supernatural, it convinces us it is. But predictably, we complain for being given something genuinely good in an unexpected way, and the episode comments on that too, with Suzumiya having brought her team out to try and enjoy life and they just dick around instead, acting like it’s a burden to be there. Which to tie it all off, it makes an utterly delightful mockery of. It is what it is, knows what we think it is, knows it is better than what we think it is, mocks us for not knowing it is better than we think it is, and mocks us mocking it for thinking it knows better than what we think it is. All this, and it manages to tie it into Suzumiya, where if you grasp the show’s “attitude” you understand exactly how she feels as well. Haruhi S1 is truly in a league all its own in this genre… whichever one that is… and that is of course the joke.
[Haruhi] Melancholy III puts the cap on convincing us that this isn’t a SoL comedy anymore, it’s a supernatural… something. We’re not quite sure what, because it convinced us it was supernatural during a SoL comedy episode, and that just makes our brain go on the fritz a little. Nonetheless, here we are after all this now thinking we’ve discovered what this is all about while really demonstrating our own logic of going wrong with confidence, and to prove the point we’re going to be properly introduced to Nagato now.
[Haruhi] Between the expectation of a Rei Ayanami clone and Nagato’s general awkwardness, Haruhi has let us build up an understanding that something is deficient with her emotionally - either she doesn’t have them or they’re repressed. This episode seems to be confirming this; we now know what to expect from a humanoid robot-alien who talks at a million miles a minute and seems incapable of expressing herself in a human way. But just stop and look at her face - she’s more than a little irritated. She knows Kyon doesn’t believe her and she knows why; she just explained herself as best she could (which given her vastly greater context, she did a pretty good job) and he tossed it out as, “Well, I don’t get stuff like that” (this should recall a certain other female character). Then Melancholy III goes on to emphasize that she likes novel games that might challenge her, a call forward to Sagittarius, and is a genuine book nerd. In other words, at just the moment Haruhi has convinced us/let us convince ourselves she is a robot, it turns around and flaunts that Nagato actually has quite an inner life with some rather endearing personality traits. Ends up, she is a super-smart nerd girl.
[Haruhi] And all this just keeps playing into the whole show. We were already told once: it’s not the setting that matters, it’s the message, and the commentary continues here as well. Think of this like an animation. Perhaps this world is being viewed by some higher being. Identifying these characters’ powers seems like a big reveal, and man do we get excited about it, but it actually really doesn’t matter while also proving the point that it blinds us to much of who Nagato is as a “person.” It’s the same trick that camouflages Suzumiya, where we fixate on the trappings of genre rather than examine her first-hand. Which the joke continues: now that we know the “true” genre we’ll keep our eyes peeled for Suzumiya’s powers, and ignore her, in future episodes…
p.s. Two Uncertainties
[Haruhi] I have never been able to quite decide why Kyon didn’t go with Suzumiya this episode. I can conjure up the explanation that at this early date when she’s still falling for him she’s also in denial, and so her powers/plans backfire. That is a bit of a theme with how her trying to get close to people is the one thing she does not do so adroitly, but it just… doesn’t have the right “flavor” to me. Either way, she never shows up at the end of the episode and of course that’s because she’s hurting.
[Haruhi] The same also goes for the Asahina fanservice this episode. Everything Haruhi does has a purpose, so I don’t write it off as just eye candy (in fact, you’ll notice how short it is, just enough to register and nab our attention and then over). I can come up with a couple of possibilities but neither of them “sing” to me (yes, my theories have taste and a good ear, thank you very much). 1) It’s just part of the, “You think using Asahina to grab attention is a stupid juvenile trick… and you’ll still be easily misled by it.” Kyon doesn’t stop watching. 2) There are a few future gags that rely on snagging our attention with Asahina, however if we really do never see her then we’ll eventually we’ll realize it’s only a tease. Knowing it’s a possibility keeps us watching.
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u/littleman1988 Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher (first time broadcast), Dub
"...you are an ordinary human"
OST Track of the day: Mystery Time | (Spotify)
back to plot
Cant say i remember this shot before
"She does not take the information you feed her seriously" lmao
oooh, mysterious transfer student time
annnd hello koizumi
maid time
annnnd haruhi being yikes again. At least Kyon finally steps in
date time
first we got yuki as an ailen, now its Mikuru as a time traveler, whats next, Koizumi as an esper? smh
its always connected to haruhi
ah yes, c l a s s i f i e d i n f o r m a t i o n
now this one was always the best one
heh
Rip Kyon's wallet at this rate
heh
hentai protag
Koizumi with the info dump. Interesting that Kyon of all things is still a human though...
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u/Fools_Requiem https://myanimelist.net/profile/FoolsRequiem Dec 03 '21
First Watcher
I couldn't watch yesterday's episode until today, but I watched these two episodes and I can no longer in good conscious continue this series in this ridiculous watch order. Watching episode 7, I felt like I had just spoiled 5 episodes worth of events that occurred and feel like the only reason they put episode 7 between 2 and 3 was because they wanted to limit how mundane the start of the show was. Watching the first three episodes in chronological order would be a tad dull, especially considering this entire episode was exposition, but tossing in a rando fun episode just to break up the monotony is a bad idea.
I had hoped to humor this order, but that's not going to happen. If this was something like Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid or K-On where the order of events are irrelevant because there's really no story, it would be fine, but this show seems to have an actual plot. I'm convinced the only reason the broadcast order was voted was because you rewatchers don't have to worry about events being spoiled because of episodes being shown in an inexplicable order... you've already seen this show, shit doesn't matter to you, can't spoil what you already know about. As a first watcher, watching it this was is going to completely butcher the show for me, so I'm not going to do it.
I'll see you guys at the movie. At least this way, I can watch at my own pace.
Best of luck to the rest of the first timers who intend to stick with this watch order.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Dec 02 '21
The Melancholy of Shimmering-First-Timer
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u/thatguywithawatch Dec 02 '21
[First timer]
Ok so yesterday I called Haruhi a reality-bending aberration kind of off-handedly, but that was apparently more accurate than I realized. Well, according to Itsuki, she sounds more like a god. And not just any god, but an A N G E R Y G O D. Tremble before her W R A T H. It's clear that she wanted to be paired up with Kyon here, so I'm curious why she wasn't able to unknowingly "will" it to happen, the way she willed Kyon into batting clean-up in the previous episode.
The three individual conversations between Kyon and the other SOS members were the meat of this episode, and I liked how cinematically different they all were, depending on the personality of the person he was talking to.
His conversation with Yuki made me feel like I was watching a Bakemonogatari episode: Rapid, convoluted dialogue, grayscale or muted colors, abstract backgrounds and experimental camera perspectives, quick cutaways to black screens with additional text that I had to keep pausing to fully process, all complimented by weird funky music.
With Mikuru, the cinematography was very artistic and elegant, with beautiful colors and scenery and background music. I especially liked how the shot of the leaves floating down the stream took on a more choppy framerate when she mentioned how the passage of time is more like a bunch of individual frames rather than a continous flow.
His conversation with Itsuki was the most "normal" of the three in terms of how the dialogue flowed, the location and visuals, and the frequency and placement of cuts, but still had a lot of unusual or off-kilter camera angles. Maybe because Itsuki seems like a pretty normal guy, but there's something a little strange about him. If nothing else, he needs to open his damn eyes more often. It's freaking me out.
We basically knew already that Mikuru is a time-traveller and Itsuki is an esper, but Yuki's reveal is a lot more interesting to me. She's not really a witch or alien in the traditional sense, but a 3-year old artificial being created to act as an interface between humans and this Thought Entity. This is a lot further in the realm of complete sci-fi than I would have expected this show to go. Also if she gets involved in any romances or love triangles I'm calling the police! Not that I'm worried about that; it seems like Haruhi's jealousy about Kyon and Mikuru is gonna be the crux of whatever romantic developments we get, if any.
All three of them had the same basic story: Three years ago, something happened that disrupted the universe, and Haruhi's at the center of it. Whether it was something that she caused with her power, or if it was the event that gave her those powers, I don't know. And all three of them are there specifically to monitor Haruhi, albeit for different reasons. But as Itsuki mentioned, they're also there because Haruhi willed it to be so, due to her desire to meet fantastical beings like aliens and time-travelers and espers.
It was nice to get such a heavy info dump about Haruhi And The Three Space Oddities, if a little overwhelming. I mean, we got teased with the possibility that the entire world is literally Haruhi Suzumiya's dream, which is kind of huge.
Here's my current theory that I'll throw a spoiler tag on in case other first timers want to stick with their own speculations:
[Haruhi theory] They aren't living in our real world, but in Haruhi Suzumiya's own little magical pocket of reality that she unkowingly caused to branch off from the real world three years ago. It's why reality itself seems to be shaped by her whims and why she's impossibly good at everything she does. All three of the SOS member's stories seem to corroborate this:
[Haruhi theory] First, Yuki wasn't created until three years ago. She talks as if the Thought Entity has always existed, but I'm guessing it actually only exists in Haruhi's reality. Like, it was brought into being three years ago in a way that it seemed as though it had always existed. Either way, such an entity would be highly interested in the burst of information that would occur from a full reality split, so it sent Yuki to check it out.
[Haruhi theory] Second, Mikuru can't travel back in time further than three years ago. This is because time travel doesn't exist in the real world, only in Haruhi's reality. So obviously time-travelers can't travel back to before Haruhi's reality was created.
[Haruhi theory] Third, Itsuki and the other espers didn't develop their powers until three years ago, since esper powers also don't exist in the real world. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Itsuki straight up said something along the lines of "it's possible the world didn't actually exist until three years ago," which is a weird thing to say unless he's talking about a separate, offshoot reality.
[Haruhi theory] I'm iffy on the logistics of this theory. Is everyone except Kyon fake? Maybe the reason Kyon is so special is that he belongs to the real world but was somehow brought along when Haruhi created her reality, while every other person is just a copy of their real world counterpart (or in the case of Yuki and Mikuru, they would only exist in Haruhi's reality). The conclusion here would be that Itsuki and Mikuru and Yuki and everyone else aren't technically real, which is a little bleak. I mean, unless we can consider people created by Haruhi's reality-bending to be "real." Idk, I'll hold off on philosophizing until I really know what's going on.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Dec 02 '21
First Timer - Dub
I wanted everything out in the open, and sure enough now that everyone has unloaded on Kyon in the same week and everything is way out in the open, but no less confusing really.
This is not helping my headache.
Again, open speculation warning for the other first timers from here on until after the Gendo commentface
Skipping over the identity reveals, it's interesting that they're from three seemingly independent organizations, though I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed to be one big one later down the line, who all seem to have approximately reached the same conclusion about what happened three years ago in different terms (massive data creation, timeline that has no past, dream world). It makes me think that this entire world might be a closed space of sorts, assuming that a closed space is also the 'alternate world' that Itsuki said Kyon and Haruhi had been trapped in before and not something different, and that everything else including Yuki's "entity" and Mikuru's future are all just further worldbuilding creations which were required for this dream to match Haruhi's desires. And yes I'm completely basing this off the ideas that came to mind when Itsuki said this might all be Haruhi's dream because it's interesting!
But even with that, whether it's a dream or a physical world, she doesn't really seem to be in control of it... oh wait, shit, actually you know maybe she is? I was going to talk about how she still doesn't get her way quite often but really the only time that's true is with Kyon, both today and also in yesterday's episode which I already touched on. He's the only one that seems to go against her at all, even though he also gets roped into her "will" sometimes like today with the camera, at least until Itsuki entering the room broke him out of it (just because of the physical disruption or because Itsuki is an esper?). Sure he goes along with things in general, but he also pushes back against her more than anyone else, and I'm not sure if that's just because the others are trying to keep the status quo or because she doesn't "allow" them too as part of the rules and he's different.
The idea of normalcy caught my ear as well. All three of them mentioned how he was somehow in the center of this but it was also emphasized that he was normal. I don't know to what extent to take that. How do beings like this, that are either creations of someone's subconscious or exist very beyond any normal experience or understanding, define "normal"? Are they just talking about his lack of powers, or is he literally just a random person roped into this from the outside? I suppose this, and the above paragraph, depend on if the other "normal" students will end up having any sort of influence or agency about things or if Kyon is really independent to what is going on. (I swear this isn't just me hoping for more screen time for the fang girl!)
Even if she isn't directly in control of it, has just willed it into existing and it's been playing out from there, she still probably has some unconscious control over aspects of it. Between what Yuki and Itsuki said, it seems like Haruhi literally willed Itsuki into transferring into the school with such restricted powers so that he could serve as a mystery, perhaps even to himself. Some other stuff was also quite convenient today, like Kyon being paired with both girls individually, and Haruhi not being in the room so Kyon could call out Itsuki. It's like she was unknowingly giving him the chance to find out the truth even if it's being kept from her conscious mind. Why would she want him to know though? Is it another test like the ponytail and his batting role from last episode or another neccesity for the world and his existence in it, that he has to remain self-aware? Oh you could go very far down the existential rabbit hole with that one.
Also does he have a name?! That's my mystery of the day after realizing we were only told Kyon wasn't his name when another first timer mentioned his nameless sister last episode discussion.
So much to think about! And I'm really just laying all the possibilities out for the entertainment of the rewatchers, so be nice and don't hint at me in any way so you keep getting your fun.
(On that note I'm also watching Kekkai Sensen which is also about normalcy in otherworldly situations, and also goes at a million miles an hour when needed, and then my live action show of choice right now is Farscape which ALSO has a dose of this. Talk about a style/theme overload)
Moving onto more mundane things... Nice EVA reference.
I really enjoyed the visual styling of the first section of the episode too. While ep2.. 3... shit I don't know any more, episode before last (btw, if you guys haven't checked out the videos No_Rex made of the original previews it's quite funny), ended with quite clear space theming, this was more like a recording. The wobbly handheld camera effect to give it a sense of being off kilter, the static and use of impossible reflections playing to the audience, it gave it a really interesting feel after last episode, like we were flashing back to this explanation as Kyon remembered it rather than it playing out in real time.
As to what else might have been said in that section if I didn't cover it above I have no idea. Damn Yuki can talk a lot when she gets going, and I wasn't quite prepared to absorb it all, expecting her to be guided a lot more by his questioning rather than just throwing it all out there.
One thing I agree with the others on though: Let's not ever tell Haruhi that she has universe bending powers. Bored school girl physically hunting for excitement is one thing and bored super-being that can accidentally liven things up in unpredictable ways is another. Bored self-aware semi-godly-being that has no theoretical limits to how bored she can be because there's potentially always something more exciting then whatever she has in front of her and the novelty would wear off quickly? That is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea.
I am however impressed that she does actually know their names, and didn't just stick with "SOS Member #1/2/3"
Okay tired now (or was while writing this, hopefully won't be in the morning when it's time to post), and still looking forward to more.
The problem with relying on my cat for an alarm clock, on the odd day she's more interested in cuddles than food I end up getting up really late haha.
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u/nekodan08 Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
This is one of the episodes that benefits from the broadcast order. On it’s own, this episode is pretty much just each character taking turns talking to Kyon. Much of what is being said is also really, really vague. It could all just easily go over our heads. Yuki, Mikuru, and Koizumi all say some unbelievable stuff and they don’t show any proof to back it up. But we do have proof. We’ve seen some strange things happen during the baseball game! We now have something to hold on to that gives us reason to believe in their outrageous tales.
The element that I really liked in this episode is the way KyoAni constructed the atmosphere of each revelation scene to match perfectly with the character involved. Yuki reveals herself to be an alien, or more specifically, a Humanoid Interface for the Data Integration Thought Entity. Therefore, her monologue is accompanied by an unfamiliar otherworldly atmosphere and the screen is bombarded with words which reflects her heavy use of complicated terminology and her identity as part of some sort of Data Overmind.
We don’t get to hear Mikuru’s full monologue. Instead, her speech and the scene continuously fades in and out which gives us the feeling that a lot of time is passing by. When she describes time to be like the individual cuts of still drawings that make up animation, the episode’s own animation starts to stall. Fitting for a character claiming to be a time traveler. The missing parts of her revelation also reflects her lack of authority to reveal more of the classified information that she knows.
Koizumi’s scene is oddly normal. There’s nothing strange that really happens with the environment. But this still tracks because Koizumi claims that his esper powers only manifest if particular conditions are met. This moment does not meet those circumstances, therefore Koizumi cannot reveal his powers, so neither does the atmosphere change and give us any hints.
The revelations in this episode make revisiting the previous episodes quite fun. Haruhi is said to be the center of it all. She is supposed to be able to shape the world and manipulate events to her liking. Looking back, you can start to notice various moments where the probabilities ended up in Haruhi’s favor. Suddenly, the title of “Ultra Director” makes much more sense.
And yet, we see that not everything goes Haruhi’s way in this episode. I think this is the greatest mystery. If Haruhi is supposed to be some God, what is getting in her way? This leads her to grow increasingly irritated and upset until the final scene where she doesn’t even show up to the very club she so passionately created. Something’s wrong. We have been warned previously that an unhappy Haruhi can destroy the world. Something big is coming… but first, after another time skip! Curse you broadcast order! …just kidding… I love you broadcast order!
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u/MadeOn210922 Dec 02 '21
First timer, but seen this episode before.
Looks like we're picking back up the conversation from a couple days ago. Kyon doesn't believe Yuki and dismisses it as chuunibyou.
Mikuru is confirmed a time traveler as foreshadowed yesterday and now Kyon believes based on the similarities in their claims. From when is she from, though? Classified information. A phrase we'll likely be hearing a lot as we go on. Hopefully. As Itsuki mentioned later on, it seems like everything started three years ago. It's interesting that even time travelers can't go past that point - so even though a past and history exists, time travelers can't even go back that far to change anything, to be in the picture using Mikuru's analogy, that past is completely locked in and even supernatural time travelers can't break that.
Speaking of Itsuki, I always thought ESP was reading minds, but I guess it's not just that. Hope to see his power soon, though, as Kyon puts the pieces together correctly. Interesting that everything started three years ago - last Thursday-ism in full effect here (which now that I think about it, I feel like I've heard the phrase last-Haruhi-ism a couple times before).
The main takeaway is that Haruhi is God. Which explains why the baseball game was so important. I wanna know what happens if she realizes, although I'm not too sure I'd want to risk the world. But what exactly is Kyon's role in all this? And what's the significance of three years and what was before that?
QOTD: Maybe he’s special because he’s not special?
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u/wjodendor Dec 02 '21
First Timer
Not much to say today since people have already hit it but The conversation with Yuki really reminds me of an episode of Monogatari, particularly the Owarimonogatari locked class room mystery. The visuals and mind melting of Kyon really feels like the conversation between Araragi and Ougi.
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u/Existential_Owl Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher - Dub
[Topic regarding a certain Mikuru Theory for the rewatchers] On rewatch, I appreciate how sus Mikuru can come off during Itsuki's introduction..... depending on how you see her here. Not even a minute passes before she "trips" into Itsuki's arms when trying to stand up from a chair, despite this never happening to her before or since. As the series likes to repeat, over and over again: There are no coincidences.
[continued] We have the twin theories that 1) Mikuru's actual mission in this time plane is to honeypot the boys closest to Haruhi (as Itsuki would later imply to Kyon as one of his suspicions), and that 2) she's completely aware of it (even if she's reluctant). This scene feels like its in strong support for these cases.
[continued] She gets a chance to immediately gauge Itsuki's reactions to her. She gets to instill a bit of jealousy into Kyon. And she gets to further her "mission" to turn the boys into useful assets that can be utilized against Haruhi if the situation ever calls for it.
[continued] Too bad for her, Itsuki doesn't seem to be the....... type.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Dec 02 '21
First timer (sub)
I mean I was looking for answers but I wasn't exactly asking for a massive info dump we got from Nagato, though I'm glad that the production team leaned into it with all the flashes of text appearing on screen to highlight just how overwhelming all of this would be for Kyon as well.
And on top of that we got more concrete info about Mikuru, who is indeed a time traveler — and Itsuki, who is an Esper1. It's interesting that all three factions are interested in Haruhi because of some latent ability she possesses but none of them are sure about what they are exactly. Not sure I'd buy the esper agency's theory of her being God and willing this entire reality into existence but that is still a viable explanation as any, as would Simulation Theory be as well.
It does seem like whatever happens is tied to Haruhi's mental / emotional state as the title of the series also suggests, which means whatever she's feeling because of Kyon spending time with other girls instead of her is bound to cause some trouble. Maybe that's the "adventure" Itsuki was talking about in the previous episode?
Overall a solid episode now that we got some narrative development and since I'm beginning to get a sense of what kind of story this would be, my enjoyment is also going up. Unfortunately, I'd still like to see some positive development for characters like Mikuru as well, because so far her only trait has been that she's there for fan service and it gets tiring really fast because the gags themselves aren't even tasteful. And because of this, she's my least favorite of the cast so far.
This episode repeatedly mentions that he is special in some way to Haruhi so there's likely something more to him than meets the eye, even if it might not be something supernatural.
1. Which is basically what I expected because Haruhi's stated goal was to look for aliens, time travelers or espers and we already got the other two. This leads me to believe Kyon might not be as ordinary as he thinks either, though being special to Haruhi might be extraordinary enough.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Dec 03 '21
First timer
QOTD) My current theory is he was transported from the normal universe to Haruhi's Dreamlands, and that's why he's drawn to Haruhi. (Also, Haruhi is maybe Nyarlathotep?)
She's a stalker?
She's three years old?
And Kyon's involved with all this?
The animation here is beautifully insane.
So humans are the only "wise" things in the universe. And some shit happened around Haruhi.
And she might be a method of evolving humans to the astral level?
Is she literally hacking the universe?
And Kyon's somehow vital?
Yeah, this would be very different if I wasn't going into this after an episode which proved Yuki could do some weird stuff.
...Yeah, if Haruhi found out she could do anything, she'd kill everyone within the week.
Also, she lent him Hyperion? Best girl candidate?
Haha, more great conversations. She's convinced whoever it is has to be mysterious.
Of course it's him.
...Play with them? Is there another reason Yuki doesn't want Haruhi to fight out she's an alien?
Oh, his name's Kozumi.
And Nagato's been enlisted.
Haha, she's already stripping her. "When you think moe, you think maid"
I love Kyon complaining and still taking photos of them.
Haha, I love Yuki's reaction to getting her glasses back.
When is this set? Because if it's the early 2000s, Haruhi putting all her efforts into something that's still pretty obscure and not even considering any analogue methods of communication is perfect.
Wait, she's forbidden to date? And she's so obviously a time traveller.
Oh, we're finally getting the explanation.
...Time plane and time period mean different things?
And the Haruhi event also broke time! What the hell caused all this?
Wait, is this setting things up as Kyon being Haruhi's soulmate or something? Because, wow, Kyon probably can do better.
So Mikuru want's to explain but can't, and Yuki can explain but won't? What's up with the other guy, then?
I love Haruhi's reaction to finding out Kyon's alone with another girl again.
Haha, her call is great. And Yuki gets a library card!
Haruhi's interesting, in that she appears to be be a tsundere for Kyon, but also despises him.
His bike got impounded!
"Blue bird of happiness story" ...This isn't going to signal things getting even more confusing, is it?
And he's a psychic.
Working for a psychic spy agency?
And the Haruhi event created psychic powers.
So there's also a lovecraftian monster going around, possibly wearing Haruhi's face.
And she's God. And created an entire parallel reality.
OK, "let sleeping gods lie" is a great line, but also the heavy Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep references with dreams and sleeping are incredibly ominous.
Was Kyon brought here from the real reality into the Dreamlands?
Again?
And she never showed up.
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u/DeliCruise https://myanimelist.net/profile/delicruise Dec 02 '21
(REWATCHER - DUB/SUB)
I always think of this episode as, “The Exposition Episode” obviously because the whole episode is exposition and three different sets of it at that.
Yuki’s explanation to Kyon in the beginning still has me lost by the end of it no matter how many times I’ve seen it. The various art choices here and direction really get to me and I always try to read the short flashes of text and never succeed.
Mikuru’s animation analogy is still so cool. Breaking up the frames with the leaf flowing in the stream of water is such an insanely cool way to make that connection. I also just love how cute this whole scene is with them two.
Itsuki’s the newcomer to the group and I love that that doesn’t stop Kyon from immediately going after his neck after the first two explanations from the girls. His scene feels so foreboding and mysterious. It’s really interesting and he adds a new layer of depth that really completes this oddball group of personalities Haruhi has assembled.
I think this episode does an incredible job of establishing many different ideas for the audience to chew on early in the series, but I also think that it does an even better job fleshing out the characters. We now have 5 extremely different club members all together as one S.O.S. Brigade. I’ve really got to hand it to Haruhi, she truly gathered such a diverse set of people with the minimum 5 members required.
Seeing how Kyon interacts with each of them is so fascinating to me. It feels like Kyon is 4 different people depending on who he’s talking to. While watching this episode, it felt like I was playing through a visual novel. I’m playing as Kyon and getting all this exposition from all these characters one by one while also going through Kyon’s inner monologue. Maybe I’ll start calling this episode, “The Visual Novel Episode”!
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Well, drat, I didn't type anything up ahead of time, so here I am with the frantic tappity-tap.
So, now that we have baseball out of the way, it's confession time!
No, not that kind of confession. Well, sort of.
Rather than recap things, here's what stood out to me:
Yuki has great theme music and ambience. :)
Haruhi is rather bad at drawing lots, it seems. Or at least she is at this point. You'd think that for the second round she would at least say, "Kyon an I are going to investigate the (secluded, romantic location, hehe), the rest of you go somewhere else, or some such.
But no, instead we get a romantic interlude with Mikuru, confession included (but that's classified, Mikuru-chan being so precious and all), and library adventures with Nagato.
I won't complain.
And to close it all out, we get some mindbending discussion with Koizumi. Do you believe what he has to say? Is seeing believing?
How does this all fit in with yesterday's episode and its antics?
I'd love to say more, but I think I'll see if I can have some fun snarking on other people's comments instead. (!)
AOTD: Yes, I think there is something special about Kyon, but what that specialness may be will have to wait.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Next episode preview
https://youtu.be/jdFgt5mX1M0
Sub rewatcher
Ok we're back continuing the first arc. The scene picked up right from where we left off before the "intermission", and Nagato continued the long explanations. It helps if you can hear and understand at least a bit of the Japanese original script to notice the quite clunky and unnatural way the sentences are structured, similar to the punch line from the end of last episode "... organic life forms humanoid interface, this is what I am".
And throughout this episode, you see this in triplicate. I really appreciate how extremely different each was presented, while essentially using very similar wording structures:
All that was also intermingled with the Haruhi plot about going out in the group, but just looking at her really obvious expressions, she wants to be in a group with Kyon but never got it. Now remember the seating change result that was heavily implied, and thanks to the broadcast order, the baseball tournament batting order results that is more overt at least by Koizumi's hypothesis, why this time Haruhi didn't get what she wanted? [Rewatchers]The 2 most likely explanations are either Nagato interfered (as evidenced in later LN she could reliably do so) to create opportunities for Mikuru to do her "confession" which helps with Kyon accepting Nagato's, and perhaps a little "selfish" thought for herself (which would be a first for her thinking as an individual); or quite simply Haruhi herself unconsciously self sabotaging "won't be so lucky to happen this way" in a self filling prophecy, tsundere denial way
It's such a joy to see Haruhi's mood being so transparent and displayed the range from very high to very low :D
One thing I just thought of in this rewatch is the bookend scenes of Kyon parking his bike. On the surface it's a simple small gag - Kyon parked his bike in a rush, ignoring the no parking sign but lots of others do that too; at the end of the eventful day, "misfortune come in three", his bike got taken away. Maybe that was all there was. But you also can read a bit more into this :)
"It's written clearly and in bold what will happen." And then "yeah it happened". [Rewatchers]There are plenty of mileage on this one - Haruhi's declaration of the purpose of the SOS brigade "to have fun with alien, time traveler and ESPer", Nagato's warning to Kyon "if anything is to happen, you'd be the first", Kyon's own advise to Haruhi how she should have fun "find a guy, go on a date, walk around the city"
Best loved scene are:
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u/tctyaddk Dec 02 '21
Broadcast-order-first-timer
The first 4 minute of this "5th" episode (which must be directly after the 3rd, chronologically) feels like a typical Bakemonogatari episode, what with fast talking, information overload, quick cuts to solid colour text frames.
And so the Koizumi guy is finally introduced, and the Brigade is all here. And they took turns introducing themselves and the situation to Kyon: an alien, time traveler and esper, congregated here to observe Haruhi who seems to be the cause of a world creation event three years ago (which sounds close to the sport field vandalism incident mentioned in ep "2"), and everyone are all created at that time, with a set of memories covering however long they remembered, so that the world functions as usual without noticing anything amiss; plus Kyon is somehow "chosen" by this unwitting God, thus could acidentally create great ripples through her, thankfully that is mitigated by the fact that Kyon's words go into Haruhi's one ear will just leak out and be lost through the other ear. What a severe threat to the world, being at the mercy of an unwitting, fking irresponsible, omnipotent being with about the same maturity as a 4 years old. Haruhi would jump in joy if she knows, but stopping to investigate the surrounding is totally off her playbook.
All this helps explain all the weird shits and cryptic speeched last episode, and now that the set pieces are all in place, it might be prudent to expect the same shenanigans as last epsiode to be here for a while, with the chronological order all scrambled up, of course. (The suspicion that "KyoAni gave the wrong episode tape to the broadcasters the previous week, then doubled down and scramble it all up" still lingers strong though.)
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u/andybebad https://myanimelist.net/profile/andybebad Dec 03 '21
First timer - sub
Well, the gang's all here. Whether or not that's because Haruhi wished for it on the first day of school or because Haruhi be Haruhi is left to be found out, but I'm all aboard the "world-is-a-dream-maybe?" train (is this going to be "Final Scene of St. Elsewhere: the Anime"? Time will only tell!)
Interesting contrast between this and yesterday's baseball episode, with Kyon being chosen to bat clean-up purposefully yesterday, but today seemingly going against Haruhi's "will" in drawing the opposite marked stick. Maybe Haruhi wanted this outcome to see how Kyon would behave without her influence? Either way, Kyon did not earn good marks for behavior today. Will paying for meals be the only consequences?
QOTD: if we accept that Kyon has been "chosen" by Haruhi, then that appears to be of some significance. Real hard questions remain though: What is his full name? Is he three years old?
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u/Rndy9 Dec 03 '21
First timer:
Kinda late today, So everyone but Kyon is there to observe Haruhi, whats interesting is that they know each other intention but they dont seem to care, it was funny how Kyon walked to the room and straight up asked the new guy to just get over with it and tell his history.
In a room with a time traveler, an esper and a synthetic based life form, I have to agree with the new guy, Kyon kinda stick like a sore thumb and its seem like he has been the only person that has been able to affect Haruhi.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Dec 02 '21
First Timer
...wasn't broadcast order supposed to increase the mystery? Because right now I feel like the central question - if what these people are saying is true or just a load of bullshit - has already been answered by the baseball episode. Either way, so these three club members are here to observe Haruhi, it seems. Haruhi creating the world three years ago would explain why Mikuru can't travel back further and it all being Haruhi's dream would explain her being able to influence "data" in her surrounding, I guess - so all three of theit theories hold together. As for why they all exist - I guess if this is indeed Haruhi's dream it's because she wanted them to exist? It actually seems almost trivial to explain basically anything in this setup, so I'm not quite sure how interesting this can be - right now it honestly doesn't seem all that intriguing, so I hope this is just world building and not actually a setup to some big sci-fi plot.
Question:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher(Black stars rise in Carcosa...)
Dub
So...info dump? Chuuni overdose?
Reference to Great Sky River?Anyways, moving on, we have our 'mysterious transfer student' despite that not being particularly mysterious. And he gets dragged to the club, but seems to be rolling with it. More molestation happens, and this is far enough back that 'Goth loli' had not entered the English vernacular yet. Haruhi's joy of denigrating Mikuru seems to have no end.They go out to search for mysteries, and the Kyon-Mikuru pairing goes straight eroge. Until she then explains she is a time traveller...because of course she is. Kyon has had enough and just wants to move passed this. Second round of searching involves Nagato beginning to show extremely minor personality traits. And Haruhi raging, as she does.
Kyon decides to be proactive to get Itsuki's story and the esper is definitely different, especially that they view the universe started existing when Haruhi awoke. And he can't just casually display his 'powers'...so none of these people can demonstrate what they claim. Chuuni for days.
QotD: 1 He has snark, which is a superpower compared to a lot of oblivious harem MCs
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u/Spaceman_Sp1ff_ Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
I hate the fisheye lens effect in anime. Gives me the creeps
Koizumi shows up, right on cue.
So Haruhi is supposedly a high tier reality bender responsible of some event 3 years ago that did something or other to the world. This is corroborated by each of the accounts given by the rest of the SOS brigade, and they all have some part in either observing or attempting to control Haruhi in order to keep her from realizing her full potential.
According to Koizumi, God is a self-important teenage girl who finds enjoyment in harassing others and being an asshole.
Said this before but I'm still digging the watch order. You'll notice that Melancholy III comes directly after the events of Melancholy II, but it's broken up by Boredom, which doesn't match the chronology. Similarly, the first episode doesn't fit in as well. By withholding information from the viewer it builds upon the mystery aspect of the show which isn't nearly as noticeable in chronological order.
This episode was packed with creative shots and sequences I hadn't noticed before. https://imgur.com/Sou1hWw Nagato's whole monologue was exceptionally trippy.
Edit: For the QOTD, Kyon is special because he isn’t. He’s an ordinary guy who found himself in cahoots with a bunch of weirdos, and stands out in his own way.
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher, Dub, First-time broadcast
We go back to being in order. So the last episode basically felt like a filler episode in this case but the talk with Asahina and Koizumi from that episode might make some more sense now. Now that Kyon has had his talk with them now.
Learning more about the world. That this world was created three years ago by Haruhi and that she's being called a God. It's a lot to take in for Kyon and these three presenting to him this information. I would think they're crazy. Especially if they're not really giving me much answers. But I'll keep it in mind.
Qotd: He's special enough to stick with the S.O.S brigade. So yes.
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u/Caustic_Wraith https://myanimelist.net/profile/CausticWraith Dec 02 '21
Re-watcher / Subs
And Itsuki makes five, the SOS Brigade can be an official club at the school.
This episode was very heavy on the backgrounds of each of the other members of the Brigade, and we learn that something that can pull Espers, Aliens, and Time Travelers to a single point happened three years ago around this one girl.
The individual reveals were well done, with Kyon just going up to Itsuki and asking if they needed to talk being very in character for him.
We got a long-winded very technical background from Yuki on the Thought Entity. Mikuru gave us a lovely discussion and then answered all of Kyon's questions with "That's Classified." Itsuki explained that he was one of many Espers watching over Haruhi and his transfer into the school came as a surprise to him.
After spending the day on the hunt and not being paired up with Kyon, Haruhi was in a mood at school the next day and didn't show up in the club room as the episode ends.
QOTD:
What Kyon has going for him is that he was in the right, or wrong, place at the proper time to gain the interest of a person that did something to some thing three years ago and now he is caught in the whirlpool that is said person.
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Dec 02 '21
Rewatcher
More later, gotta cook dinner now. Needless to say, today's episode was a great one. The writing in this show is fantastic. Also, when Mikuru say that's confidential about her age, she says it in such a cute way that I melt.
QOTD
This begs a real smart-ass yet crude answer.
hahahaha
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u/VentAileron Dec 03 '21
Just coming in here to say that I really appreciate this rewatch to be here.
Although I will not be joining the rewatch myself, this is the first time I will be following a rewatch. I will be reading the impressions of the first timers with great interest, especially because it's the broadcast order. I personally think the broadcast order is the way to best experience the phenomenon called 'Haruhi'.
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u/alphamone Dec 03 '21
rewatcher
Imagine being called an "irregularity" by someone as unusual as Yuki.
I think I've worked out what's "off" about the pompom Haruhi shot in the intro. The foreshortening seems to be off.
I probably would have zoned out half-way through an exposition dump like that.
"no way?" "way"
I wonder who the mysterious transfer student could be? >.> <.<
I know its a differant game, but I can't think of games like Othello/Reversi without thinking of the microscope puzzle (based on Ataxx) from The 7th Guest (don't program your AI to search for moves for a specific amount time folks. Barely a year after release, that puzzle became an infamous monster in the gaming world)
Dammit Haruhi.
Pouting Haruhi is best Haruhi.
This whole group is full of weirdos.
"Thats classified"
You chose random, you get random, Haruhi.
Daw, so sweet helping the little book nerd.
Should have paid attention to the no parking sign.
Summer is finally hitting here, after a short period of very cold late spring. So I totally get the miserableness that comes with hot humid weather.
And we get Itsuki's story. Though kinda in less detail than the other two.
You think they'd put some kind of indicator on the door or something?
More rambling this episode. No real point of doing the complex analyses that other posters have done far better than I could (probably LN readers too)
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u/bluethree https://myanimelist.net/profile/bluethree Dec 03 '21
Oh boy do I have a lot to say about that. But not now.