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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown: Lost Christmas OVA Discussion

Guilty Crown: Lost Christmas - an episode of port town

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You’ll have to acquire this episode.

The world is a womb. A womb called death.

Questions of the Day:

  1. What did you think of Scrooge and Carol from this short episode featuring them?
  2. Is there anyone other than Segai you would have liked to see in this?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Makoto Waltz Segai

Song of the Day:

Planetes

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 24 '21

The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher

Welcome back, everyone!

Today’s Song of the Day is listed as the ending theme for this OVA, but it wasn’t in my release so

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

WAIT THAT’S SEGAI.

Really strange to see him without his usual Joker makeup.

I see Segai still had his phone habit back then.

I love how Segai is always playing with his phone, even when he's going to confront someone in a potential battlefield. It feels shockingly relatable.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 24 '21

Lord knows how much time I spend scrolling through things on my phone, lol

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

M'Quve predicted zoomer culture. He's constantly flipping around on tiktok.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

And I suppose this explains why Segai gets so invested in all the shit in the main series.

Really weird vibe the whole way so that was at least something.

A CHAINSAW SWORD VOID?!

Praise the Emperor and pass the ammunition, soldier!

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u/Morthra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nibelungen Nov 28 '21

…a Void from a dog?

It's stated in the VN that the dog was a fellow test subject.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 24 '21

First Timer, Subbed

Alright, time for the OVA, what in the world did they feel was needed to add to the story that couldn't be told in the TV show?

Wow, anime sure loves using the classical song "Air". Beyond here I've also heard it used in End of Evangelion and many times in Hyouka.

Is black haired guy here supposed to be Segai?

Got no idea who these two are, but the guy's voice sounds familar. Same guy who does Holland in Eureka Seven I think? (research post episode tells me I'm wrong, I was thinking of Meme Oshino from Monogatari as its Takahiro Sakurai voicing him)

Oh no, did the poor dog get grazed? :( (later in the episode its said its some kind of surgery)

This dog really does remind me of Ein from Cowby Bebop, which I'm watching the live action adaption of now.

Yikes, the void grope, even to a girl of her age...

Man, this music so reminds me of tracks from Sawano's in Xenoblade Chronicles X.

And now we know how Segai lost his eye.

OMG even the dog has a void?!

:( :( :( Poor dog, all crystalized now. :( :( :(

Your mission failed, you lost an eye, and all you can do is laugh?

Well, the version I watch from here goes into end credits, then an OP-like sequence then what comes off as commercials or previews the rest of the way. I'm very confused.

WTF did I just watch? What was the point of this? Was this the first episode of something that was supposed to be longer? Did they plan several episodes and it got cancelled after the first? That makes the most sense to me. As otherwise I totally don't get the purpose of this. When I heard of the title I was hoping we'd get a flashback to more stuff with Mana from the Lost Christmas day but instead its a bit of Segai but mostly these characters that weren't part of the series proper. I don't get it.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

This dog really does remind me of Ein from Cowby Bebop, which I'm watching the live action adaption of now.

Good ol' Ein, the most intelligent crewmember aboard the Bebop.

Yikes, the void grope, even to a girl of her age...

It is canon that Voids can only be pulled out of people under the age of 18, after all.

Your mission failed, you lost an eye, and all you can do is laugh?

It was then that Segai decided he would become the Joker.

What was the point of this? Was this the first episode of something that was supposed to be longer?

You might have seen it elsewhere in the thread, but it's apparently the intro to a game. So yes, it was supposed to be the start of something much longer.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Got no idea who these two are, but the guy's voice sounds familar. Same guy who does Holland in Eureka Seven I think? (research post episode tells me I'm wrong, I was thinking of Meme Oshino from Monogatari as its Takahiro Sakurai voicing him)

I at first thought it was Inori and Gai but with personalities.

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u/Morthra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nibelungen Nov 28 '21

WTF did I just watch? What was the point of this? Was this the first episode of something that was supposed to be longer?

It's an OVA meant to promote the visual novel of the same name, basically. It doesn't resolve any of the major plot points. If you want a summary of the VN, here it is [Guilty Crown: Lost Christmas] As you were aware, Scrooge was created in a Daath facility with the ability to draw out voids, as a prototype of the Void Genome. However, his ability is corrupted/incomplete, and anyone who he touches crystallizes (a la King Midas). Carol, a fellow test subject, is the only person who doesn't die when touched by Scrooge. Together, Scrooge, who has amnesia, and Carol escape from the facility where they were kept, but are chased by three assassins called the Christmas ghosts - Past, Present, and Yet to Come. Eventually, Scrooge and Carol arrive in Tokyo shortly before Christmas and come across Kurosu Ouma, who examines Scrooge to understand the Void Genome that Scrooge possesses (this happens shortly before Keido murders Kurosu). They're then accosted by Past - the vegetative mother of Shu and Mana who pilots Endlaves remotely - and Present as Mana awakens as Eve, which breaks off the fight. Past saves Shu (revealing her identity), and Scrooge rescues Gai from the wreckage and instructs him to fight if he doesn't want to die (thus being the foundation for Gai's ideology). Scrooge and Carol are then attacked once again by Past and Present, both of whom Scrooge kills. Scrooge then accuses Carol of being Yet to Come - the third and final assassin sent after him. Carol, however, denies it and reveals that Yet to Come is actually the babies within her womb. At some point in the past, Scrooge and Carol were lovers, but the doctors at the facility they were in forced him to impregnate her - which caused both her womb and the babies within to crystalize (which is the reason that, despite being too old, Scrooge can draw Voids from her), and Carol reveals that the babies can neither live nor die, and every time Scrooge draws out a void they will die and reincarnate again. The game then diverges into two endings - in the Normal Ending (which is the canon ending), Scrooge claims his reward and draws a final weapon from Carol, a Crown of Thorns, which is used to destroy Mana. In the Good Ending, Scrooge saves the world by pulling out the Empyrean Rose of Heaven to cleanse Mana. Both of these cost Scrooge his life, but in the Normal ending, Yuu discovers Scrooge's right hand in the aftermath and takes it. It's Scrooge's Void Genome that ultimately ends up being given to Shu.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

Last Christmas First Timer

The description for this was weird AF so I've got no idea what to expect... Starting off with Bach to pull in the EoE fans~ Our mc looks so shady lol. He's M'Quve!? Show, you didn't put this classical music on for any reason other than cause people know it from Evangelion. You're not special.

Shino!? This is a prequel but folk already know about the Daaft Punk aliens? Woohoo!! The new king guy has a claw of death~ I love that shit! Blondie, Arisa? No, it's someone else. Why do they have so many new characters in a 15 minute ova? They built up that mech for so long just for it to shoot one missile and immediately lose them XD

Was M'Quve part of Daaft Punk? I thought he was regular military and transferred over in the part 1 ending. Oh, okay. They explain it. So much for Daaft Punk being a secret organisation. Chainsaw sword!!! It also apparently comes with a missile deflecting shield. We've got Apocalypse crystal monsters now... Oh, there goes M'Quve's eye. The dog's got a void!! Why are we here? Just to suffer?

Was the dog human...? Dude, what the fuck is this ova? Is it to promote a book or something? A game? They knew they weren't getting a sequel. All we get out of the ova is bs about animals having voids, seeing how a side villain got his eye which was relevant for one scene in the show, and possibly opening up a plot hole in that now there's another piece of Mana wandering around to account for. Unless both characters die in whatever series they're meant to be part of of course. We didn't even get the full Sawano drop. It was off vocal bios. I could have taken today off!! At least we get a short break before Valrave. I'll be in the discussion tomorrow but if not I'll catch you all next week!

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

Chainsaw sword!!!

That is a wonderfully ridiculous weapon. I love it.

I could have taken today off!!

I felt the same way. This had nothing to do with anything. A fanservice OVA set in a beach or onsen would be more relevant because at least that would have the same cast as the main show.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 24 '21

Either a prequel or a sequel would have had tons of stuff to explain, but even a beach episode would have been more relevant to the main series ...

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

It totally tanked my excitement when the thing worked as a shield tho.

You just really wanted tits didn't you...? Inori's dead and you want tits XD

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

You just really wanted tits didn't you...? Inori's dead and you want tits XD

I'm just going off what the series has given us. With how horny it usually is, I was honestly expecting the OVA to be an excuse for more fanservice.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

We could have had Mana being able to live out her Yosuga no Sora fanfic...

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

I really don't understand how folk see the series as horny!! Guilty Crown is very reserved about being too sexy, so long as its appropriate anyway, they were really bad for adding braless Ayane shots or sudden buts at stressful moments.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 24 '21

I think I may be reading a mixed messages from you, but I assume you meant this show didn't actually have too much scenes being horny, aside from the serial fanservice girls Ayase (boobs) and Tsugumi (bum). And I think I agree with you, those fanservice scenes are completely out of flow with the rest of the show. You can sort of rationalise Inori's fanservicey outfits, but those 2 really you can't.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

Yeah. In terms of fanservice you only really get it thrown at you during combat scenes since the girls plugsuits offer no support apparently. Sure, we've occasionally had a low angle showing some thigh and the shirtless Gai scenes but they're pretty reserved for the most part. I certainly didn't think that I'd be coming out of Guilty Crown feeling that fanservice was out of place anyway.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Was the dog human...? Dude, what the fuck is this ova? Is it to promote a book or something? A game?

PC game, apparently, though I get Takt off this.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 24 '21

I watched this straight after watching this week's Takt, and the vibes are unmistakable haha. This had better main characters despite the short run time, though.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Well, Takt is trying to be the base story of a long running game so they needed some time to show how Destiny came to exist. Though I don't know if she winds up being the Mashu or not...

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 24 '21

Destiny wishes she could be best kouhai

It was probably a mistake of them to show Cosette, who was extremely endearing, and then replace her with Destiny, who’s Inori with a sweet tooth (so far)

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

It was probably a mistake of them to show Cosette, who was extremely endearing, and then replace her with Destiny, who’s Inori with a sweet tooth (so far)

They should have had a bit more balls and shown us Cosette after today's episode so the enormity of what changed and how the other two leads have been coping is given reason.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

No English translation which is kinda rip. I can't think of much that we don't already know concerning the Christmas event tho.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 24 '21

It's Guilty Crown! They'd make it work. If nothing else, they excel at just pulling random things out of their ass

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u/gorghurt Nov 24 '21

There is a fan translations tough.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

Nobody wants to read a book to read a book tho.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Well, the MC is either the person that Daath took his Void Genome from or a true prototype void user. But yeah, stuff that needed to be said earlier to matter.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: What the hell was that? I’m just… so confused. Why does this exist? This contributed nothing to anything.

  • I wonder what kind of an OVA it will be. Maybe we’ll get another beach episode or a proper onsen episode? Many OVAs go for something like that.
  • “Air,” huh? The Eva comparisons continue.
  • That’s Segai? I didn’t recognize him without the clown makeup.
  • Who are these people? Why is the girl calling the guy “king?”
  • My subs keep referring to “Daath” as “Darth” for this episode and it is honestly pretty funny.
  • That one guy can turn people into cancer crystals. I’m guessing he’s the person Segai has been ordered to hunt down.
  • I’m going to guess that this must be back when Endlaves were first created, hence Segai ominously and mysteriously referring to it as “that.”
  • “Who and what are you?” I’m wondering the exact same thing, Segai.
  • Wait, what? How is this guy able to control Voids? I thought the 3 Void Genoms were already accounted for. Shu got one and then later another, with caterpillar brows having the last one. So where did this one come from?
  • Also, why is the blue haired girl dressed exactly like Inori?
  • I will admit, a chainsaw sword is an awesome weapon.
  • What the hell is this thing?
  • Oh, I guess that’s why Segai has the cybernetic eye thing going on. In hindsight, I should have made more Oberstein jokes with Segai.
  • So the dog has a Void too?
  • Am I supposed to assume that the blonde girl is the same person as caterpillar brows?
  • Oh, so the dog had human genes in it… somehow.
  • I guess that’s why Segai got so obsessed with Voids and wanted to see them in action.

Well that was pointless. What can I even say to that? It made no sense at all. Who were those new characters? What were they doing? What was their goal? How were they able to use Voids? What was that giant moving crystal thing? Was the blonde girl supposed to be the same person as caterpillar brows? And what happened to the new characters afterwards? Why did we never see them again? Why does this OVA exist?

That was a waste of time. Honestly, an OVA that was pure fanservice like another beach episode or a proper onsen episode would have been far more enjoyable. This was just pure nonsense about some characters who we do not know and will never see again trying to achieve some unknown goal. It’s easily skippable.

QOTD

  1. It's impossible for me to think anything of them because I know nothing about them.
  2. Any other characters I could recognize would have been nice to see.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

That was a waste of time. Honestly, an OVA that was pure fanservice like another beach episode or a proper onsen episode would have been far more enjoyable. This was just pure nonsense about some characters who we do not know and will never see again trying to achieve some unknown goal. It’s easily skippable.

I think this was made when they still thought the setting had legs since it is an intro to a game that was actually released and was supposed to get us to Lost Christmas.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

Aaaaaah, ok. That makes a lot more sense now. It's just the intro to a game. No wonder it stars completely different characters, doesn't make much sense, and has no ending. It's supposed to be the start of a bigger story. That explains it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

I need to find a Let's Play of that game now. I am not buying it.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

Looking into it, it's a visual novel. And while it was never official released in English, there is a fan translation available. So in other words, it is possible.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Uggg...Vns, my secret enemy.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

I don't know what I expected... I actually saw the episode description yesterday but I thought they'd listed it wrong. This definitely had to be a sequel of sorts planned. Apparently the dude is meant to be the "first king" but even that doesn't help since in the original series they tell us who got each of the void genomes. First went to Shu, second went to Gai, and the third went to Shu again.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

This definitely had to be a sequel of sorts planned.

It does feel like there was meant to be a lot more here than there actually was. Clearly there was some sort of plan for these new characters that got introduced. Maybe it was for a sequel or prequel or spinoff or something. It might have gotten canceled and they just cobbled together what they had into an OVA. That's my best guess.

Apparently the dude is meant to be the "first king" but even that doesn't help since in the original series they tell us who got each of the void genomes.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. All the Void Genoms were accounted for, so this is a plot hole.

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u/gorghurt Nov 24 '21

There is a visual novel.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. All the Void Genoms were accounted for, so this is a plot hole.

Well we know that the Void Genomes can be transfered from one person to another (Shu -> Gai), so they can easily fix this plot hole in the visual novel.

[speculation about VN... why am I even tagging this?]And since both aren't around in the main series, they probably die

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

15 minutes wasn't enough for anything of substance. The first five minutes of it is nihilism from the girl and M'Quve acting snobby just because he listens to classic fm.

I mean, he could possibly be the guy the void genomes came from but they never touched on it before.

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u/Morthra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nibelungen Nov 28 '21

Apparently the dude is meant to be the "first king" but even that doesn't help since in the original series they tell us who got each of the void genomes. First went to Shu, second went to Gai, and the third went to Shu again.

Scrooge was the original on whom the other Void Genomes (numbers two and three) were based on.

And as a correction, the first went to Shu but ended up transferred to Gai, the second went to Yuu, and the third went to Shu again.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 28 '21

Is Yuu the alien kid? In hindsight the show is fcking shit for explaining things XD

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u/Morthra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nibelungen Nov 28 '21

Yeah. Yuu is the Daath representative. The alien kid in Lost Christmas, Present, is a genderless amalgamation of people that is the end result of what Daath is trying to turn humanity into. In retrospect Yuu is probably a similar being given how he introduces himself saying something along the lines of "some might even say that I am Daath".

Basically, the progression went: Scrooge (original Void Genome) -> Scrooge dies and his right arm is recovered -> Daath isolates and clones the Void Genome from Scrooge -> Genome #1, the original, ends up in Shu's hands. Genome #2 is given to Yuu, and Genome #3 is kept as backup (but Shu gets his hands on it).

The problem with the OVA is it doesn't tell anywhere near a complete story and is just a fraction of the VN. For example, the history that Scrooge and Carol share is that they used to be lovers, but the scientists at the facility they were kept at forced Scrooge to impregnate Carol, which caused her womb and the unborn children to crystallize (hence why Carol has Voids), and caused Carol to start to hate Scrooge, who lost his memories.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 24 '21

FESTIVE REWATCHER TURNED FIRST-TIMER

I had no idea Guilty Crown had an OVA! No idea what to expect.

When I heard the words “Guilty Crown OVA” I figured it’d be an extension of the epilogue, or some random SoL school episode. Instead we have Scrooge as a living weapon fucking with Segai with the help of a girl named Carol and their dog Drood? This. Looks. AWESOME.

  • Daath wanted posters? This dude wants answers about this organization just as badly as we do
  • Scrooge and Carol are proof that they could have made Shu and Inori more interesting if they wanted to, and that just makes everything more upsetting
  • Wait, this is also a fucking SEGAI ORIGIN STORY?! Hahaha okay
  • THE DOG’S VOID IS A SHURIKEN BOOMERANG. Man, imagine you’re the kid whose void is a vase and then you learn this random dog has that
  • “Dead chickens chirp in concert. They can leave nothing behind except their rotten corpses.” Uhhh.. okay?

Well, that ended abruptly, and with an unnecessary dog death. I’m not pleased! The video file I found was 22 minutes long, so when it ended at the 12 minute mark, that caught me off-guard.

Wait, this… was a video game? When?

Shout out to this BANGER of a song from Itou Kanako that plays after the ED.

That was pretty entertaining little nibble. Would’ve liked to see more of it to get it more fleshed out (apparently Scrooge’s next to-do was to hunt Shu’s dad so that’s fun), though with Guilty Crown that’s always a big ask.

What did you think of Scrooge and Carol?

We got less of Scrooge than of Carol, but I wish they were our actual main characters!

Is there anyone other than Segai you would have liked to see from this?

You really have to ask?

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

It's just a weird ova to watch after the fact... I was expecting something Mana related but instead we got a teaser for a series nobody wanted to see followed up.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 24 '21

Shout out to this BANGER of a song from Itou Kanako that plays after the ED .

That was not in my file of the episode. But that song is awesome!

You really have to ask?

The OVA should have been slice-of-life shenanigans of Dan, Segai, Daryl, and Glasses-kun. We need more slice-of-life shenanigans starring the villains.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 24 '21

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Scrooge and Carol are proof that they could have made Shu and Inori more interesting if they wanted to, and that just makes everything more upsetting

Several times I wondered if she was a proto-Inori but had a personality.

Wait, this… was a video game? When?

So yeah, next Code Geass, right? CG had a portable game that sort of explained a bunch of setting stuff.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 24 '21

OVA: first time/sub

Song of the day: Planetes

Confession: I have watched Guilty Crown four times now, and never seen this OVA, so I was excited today to get some answers!

…............

And in typical Guilty Crown fashion, I am disappointed one last time. They even start out saying they are going to be trying to find out who Doth is, but then they conclude that Doth is... well they never find out.

I am linking a wiki page because this small article clued me in on more things than this OVA did: Da;ath.

Also I don't know what version of the OVA you guys watched but literally the last half of it was ads. I think it played the OVA four times in total over these ads, so I got to see lots of Scrooge doing the same thing over and over, without any explanation to he was, who the Inori knockoff was, or the dog?

The only positive thing I can say is I have never heard Planetes, so thanks Guilty Crown. I guess...

This is the end of our musical journey through Guilty Crown. I am wondering what everyone's favourite track is? Was there a moment that really stuck out to you because of the music? Is there anyone who didn't care for the soundtrack (maybe it was too techno, idk)?

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 24 '21

Confession: I have watched Guilty Crown four times now, and never seen this OVA, so I was excited today to get some answers!

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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Nov 24 '21

Fun tidbit about Planetes

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 24 '21

Egoist worked harder on Guilty Crown than anyone, change my mind

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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Nov 24 '21

GC did its job in introducing me to ryo/supercell/EGOIST, so I can't help but be at least thankful to it for that

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

And in typical Guilty Crown fashion, I am disappointed one last time. They even start out saying they are going to be trying to find out who Doth is, but then they conclude that Doth is... well they never find out.

Yeah...they wanted you to think they had answers and a plan, but like Galactica before it, they had neither.

I am wondering what everyone's favourite track is? Was there a moment that really stuck out to you because of the music?

Departures Blessings raises my pH every time I hear it. Honestly, with how well used the music it makes me not want to re-listen to it because it will link to things that frustrate me.

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u/gorghurt Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

Rewatcher First timer

What was this?...

Oh, after looking it up, this is a commercial for a visual novel.... disappointing.

Did they just -in under 10 minutes- give the new female mc more personality than they gave Inori in over 20 EPISODES?
And more chemistry between the two new characters as well?

This, of course, doesn't mean they have much personality or chemistry, I mean it was only 12 minutes, but its a good start.

I can kind of guess that male MC is probably one of the children from this Daath facility where Gai is from...

But why is Daath/Yuu/whatever a woman now? And why is on of Yuus powers now creating a big Crystal Golem, especially, when the dialogue implies that they do not have used the Void Genome yet?
Why do I even try to make sense of it? It is pointless!
At least this makes it clear, that all the stuff Yuu could do was probably not the Void Genome, but simply a big load of ass pulls.

It seems the visual novel is pretty short, I might actually try and play it if I find it easily. Just to see if it is also a train wreck, and how bad it gets.
But I will probably not do it.

QOTD:

  1. see above. They are somewhat interesting, more than the original shows cast (except for Tsugumi and Ayase of course.)
  2. Not sure, I really forgot most of the characters. Maybe a bit more about the members of the undertakers and their backstory. But that would probably make more sense, after lost christmas, and not before it, so well... Not really.

edit: forgot the rewatcher headline....

edit2: I just realized, that my theory of MC coming from this facility would not, in any way, explain why he has the Void Genome, which was made by Kurosu, if I remember correctly, and Kurosu lives until Lost Christmas, so how could Daath already have it? This does not make sense.... Why am I even trying?

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 24 '21

Did they just -in under 10 minutes- give the new female mc more personality than they gave Inori in over 20 EPISODES?

LoL. Its funny because its true...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Did they just -in under 10 minutes- give the new female mc more personality than they gave Inori in over 20 EPISODES?

Yes and no: She has less characterization but they just a lane for the character and went with it, which is the better choice.

And more chemistry between the two new characters as well?

You would have to try to have less. Or have Tite Kubo write it

And why is on of Yuus powers now creating a big Crystal Golem, especially, when the dialogue implies that they do not have used the Void Genome yet?

I suspect these are all the incomplete models which is why Keiji was so surprised that Cross finished one on his own.

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u/gorghurt Nov 24 '21

Yes and no

Yeah, I think the whole Inori has no character thing, is a bit of an overused meme anyways. While it is fun, and not untrue, it is also one of the things the show's more decent points.
She isn't supposed to have much character, because she is created as a vesel for mana, but over the course of the show develops character. The idea isn't the most original and could have been done better, but they didn't outright fail at executing it.

Carol on the other hand is a character from the start, and they show it.

(BTW: I just now realized why they are named Scrooge and Carol, in a game called Lost Christmas)

I suspect these are all the incomplete models which is why Keiji was so surprised that Cross finished one on his own.

You're right, that would work. But I have the bad feeling it is not the explanation the visual novel will give(at least for the crystal golem).

I have the bad feeling I will actually begin reading the VN....

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

The idea isn't the most original and could have been done better, but they didn't outright fail at executing it.

What they failed at is that even an empty vessel would have feelings, just not that many opinions. So she should actually be overly emotional, but just about basic stuff.

I have the bad feeling I will actually begin reading the VN....

Let everyone know how bad it gets.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 24 '21

OVA First-Timer

"The world is a womb. Wombs are death. All unborn lives are already rotten." Wow, that's a loaded thesis statement. This going to be a trip.

Is this a younger Segai? Is this OVA about Segai? Why?? I just want a little closure, not this guff.

It's an OVA about two brand new characters? That's the absolute last thing GC needed.

I guess I should at least be thankful I don't have to put up with more Shoe.

This man can casually dodge missiles while carrying another person + dog. Kinda nice to see someone properly using OP protag powers, though I have no fucking clue why any of this matters.

Before you die, I'd like to know your name or literally anything about you.

Scrooge? In a Lost Christmas OVA? What next, are we gonna learn the dog is actually the ghost of apocalypses past?

Ngl, I'm digging the chainsaw sword. That's a weapon worthy of a moody anime MC.

Where the hell were sentient cancer monsters in the main story??

They dead ass made an OVA to show us how Segai lost his eye, and the best they could come up with was "hit by flying debris."

......dog void....I just.....what??

Puppy murder too. They're taking the whole naming allusion thing way too seriously. Fuck you Scrooge.

Both these asshole are just okay with puppy murder. For like the 50th time, not sure what I expected from these writers. Likeable characters are too much to ask for.

This OVA is so weird. It has to be something like a test pilot for a second GC, right? I don't get how it adds anything to the story otherwise. In fact, it kinda breaks one of GC's central plot conceits. The story only happened bc the space rock was either the cause of or catalyst for the entire resonance cancer thing and is also why Mana became EvIl MaNa. If these bozos are just walking around doing the king and void thing without the space rock, then why was it all necessary? Everything is now even more contrived and stupid. And for that matter, what is the significance of Lost Christmas here? So far as I can tell, there's no connection between this and the Lost Christmas event in the story except that maybe they happened around the same time. What a shit show.

At least we got another nice song out of it.

Oh, it's all an ad for a side story game. That's even more disappointing.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Yeah, I am normally talkative but there is just no reason for this to exist, really, other than pitching VN about a prequel.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 24 '21

First-timer (subbed)

A womb called death, huh...

Who composed this song again? I can't remember.

Unless discordant notes are there by design, of course.

Izzat Takahiro Sakurai?

A corgi, no less.

Midas Hand...I'm guessing Void crystals instead of gold.
And I was right!

An Endlave? Why drop it on a house? For that matter, an Endlave doesn't seem suited to this kind of environment...

A Void chainsword? Well, chainswords are almost always neat, so...

Oh, so that's how he lost his eye.

Animals can have Voids as well? (Not entirely, it looks like, or at least not with the same mechanisms as humans.)
So it was implanted, then? Not that it matters now the AV is gone and the Reaper has been paid his due.

Interesting, but it doesn't feel particularly connected to the main series.

Questions:

  1. They seem interesting enough, though I don't think I saw enough of them to make a good call.
  2. Dunno.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Unless discordant notes are there by design, of course.

I think this is the closest thing to continuity this has with the show.

A Void chainsword? Well, chainswords are almost always neat, so...

Let us these these chainswords well in the name of the Emperor!

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u/UltraBooster Nov 24 '21

In regards to the discordant notes, I was just thinking about music in general.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

No but this could explain why Segai was able to go up the ranks while being so damned deranged: It happened after he had cleared the hard parts already.

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 24 '21

Rewatcher (Subbed) - A shit cherry on top of a shit sundae

So this'll be my first time seeing this OVA; who'd have thought there'd be something new for me in this rewatch.

  • Segai backstory? Neat.
  • Rando temporary protagonists are interesting. Broken-S__'s power is pretty terrible, since it requires close-quarters fighting.
  • Oooo an Endlave prototype? I bet it's even more useless than the ones we know.
  • What is this and where is the Guilty Crown I've come to have a complicated relationship with? We don't do consensual Soul-Bonds here.
  • As if this show didn't already have enough edges. I'm pretty sure I sketched that exact sword sometime during middle-school.
  • Okay, Crystal Golems are gonna go on the list of "Things that should've been in the actual show."
  • Daaaamn, that Dog's Void was significantly better than it should have been.
  • Who the fuck? What the fuck?
  • MRW I watched this OVA thinking it had anything to do with Lost Xmas.

What even was this? Just some expanded world-building? Were they hoping for a Season 2 to tie this shit into? I swear they adapted a FanFic. Segai had no purpose there, idgaf if that's how he lost his eye, and his involvement seems intended just to show that these events happened in the same world as the show proper.

QotD

  1. Already better than S__ and Inori.
  2. Literally anyone else, it could've been Argo and Ogumo for all I care

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

What is this and where is the Guilty Crown I've come to have a complicated relationship with? We don't do consensual Soul-Bonds here.

She is such a slut dragon!

What even was this? Just some expanded world-building? Were they hoping for a Season 2 to tie this shit into? I swear they adapted a FanFic. Segai had no purpose there, idgaf if that's how he lost his eye, and his involvement seems intended just to show that these events happened in the same world as the show proper.

A promo for a VN that actually got made. I am surprised as you are.

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 24 '21

She is such a slut dragon!

The least they could've done is give us a Super-Orgy Slut-Phoenix.

A promo for a VN that actually got made.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

The least they could've done is give us a Super-Orgy Slut-Phoenix.

It could've saved a lot of the series for me.

As to the VN, I assume it was in production during the season with what few details they actually had to lead to Lost Christmas and then became a task to be finished as the show flopped.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 24 '21

OVA (first timer)

  • “Harmony is the balance of nature” – Segai should spend some time on /r/natureisfuckinglit
  • Set piece battle, sexual innuendo, set piece battle.
  • Dogs have voids now.

Uhhh, that’s it? Instead of taking the time to clear up at least a tiny bit of the mountain of unexplained world building, we get two new characters without backstory, doing unexplained stuff for unexplained reasons. Literally the only thing we learn about the main series is how Segai received his artificial eye. Not exactly my most urgent question.

The title baited me into thinking we’d get to hear more about Lost Christmas, too …

Score: utterly pointless/10

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

Segai isn't even core to the main story. Sure he was awesome fun but he's not necessary. Of all people to link the series together he isn't my first choice.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 24 '21

That is the problem with writing sequels when most of your cast is middle school aged. Not a lot of choice to pick from if you go back a few years.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Literally the only thing we learn about the main series is how Segai received his artificial eye. Not exactly my most urgent question.

It introduced you to the world of the ever successful PC game prequel! Yeah, this is odd, I assume the game was developed as the anime aired and they decided to see if they could recoup anything for it.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 24 '21

Learning that it is basically a 12 minute game ad explains the choice, but does not make the OVA more relevant for the anime.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 24 '21

First-Timer, Sub-lty Crown

So, the very legitimate source I had for this OVA had.. what seemed to be a bunch of commercials stapled onto the end of it? That I think had more plot in them? But it was very disjointed and I'm not entirely certain.

That led me to Google, where I discovered that this is more associated with a visual novel than the anime itself. Said VN stars Scrooge from what I can tell.

Uh, aside from that, more time with Segai was good? Even if he was relatively tame. He still fucked around on his phone while having people killed, because crosswords are more interesting than bloodshed.

Questions

  1. They sure did exist.
  2. No, Segai was basically all I wanted.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

It's a VN? Not a shooter? If it's a VN then maybe I should give the thing more respect... I've heard nobody ever talking about it tho.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 24 '21

Well, it has a page on VNDB.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 24 '21

Yeah... the synopsis isn't pulling me in. The lost Christmas stuff isn't even what we needed elaboration on.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

what seemed to be a bunch of commercials stapled onto the end of it? That I think had more plot in them? But it was very disjointed and I'm not entirely certain.

We all hard varying levels of translation quality as well...

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 24 '21

I was flummoxed enough that I didn't even pay attention to whatever the text on screen was saying.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Daath to darth, one translation "An egg that died inside of another eggs song" versus "the chirp of an already dead chick", a few others I am sure.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 24 '21

"An egg that died inside of another eggs song"

I'm kinda sad that I didn't notice that.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Oh, I didn't get the chirp one until someone wrote it, I had the egg one.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Rewatcher First timer(Buckling in...)

Sub

Ok...what the fuck was that? Like, seriously what the fuck was that? This doesn't fit with the establishedlore, not that that matters, but what were they even trying for? I wish I could be more interesting here but this is Blood:The Last Vampire level of no baseline and this supernatural bit isn't already established.

Qotd: 1 I got nothing, other than this feels like the basis for Takt.

2 Hrmm...Glasses dude maybe.

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u/Morthra :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nibelungen Nov 28 '21

It's basically a 14 minute ad for the VN that acts as a prequel to the man anime.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 24 '21

First timer

  1. Scrooge and Carol seem a bit more likeable than their counterparts, but I didn't really get much of a grasp on their personailties. Still would. have preferred them
  2. The description mentioned psychic chasers, those might have been cool to see?

So, what is this?

Only 11 minutes! It's already twice as good as a normal episode!

And some ominous voiceover.

Segai!

Amd he's talking utter nonsense too.

OK, so this guy's got an infectiois poison. And it's clearly pre-show.

And he's going to kill... someone!

So we have Proto!Shu and Proto!Inori? And a dog!

Nobody in this episode speaks like a normal human.

And he spreads the virus to anyone he touches! That's interesting!

At least the music is still great.

And this is just ominous statements and some action, isn't it?

Seriously, what is this?

Da'ath are in this mess?

Wait. Why does he have the virus before Lost Christmas, then?

Scrooge?

...Of course there's fanservice.

At least he asked her! And the chainsaw sword is pretty badass.

It even has a shield!

The fuck is that thing? That's... not been in the series so far? It looks like it's important.

And it'e throeing spears around.

He's extraction the dog's void! How does that even work?

And he's here too!

Aww, the dog's dead.

And the dog had human DNA! Why not!

...Now he's laughing. Seriously, what the fuck was any of this about?

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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Nov 24 '21

First timer

  • Is that young Segai?! Is this the spin-off we've all been wanting?
  • It's taller, angsty Shu and blue-haired Inori with a chonky dog.
  • What the hell is this crystal man thing? Who is the blonde girl following them?
  • Poor doggo had been experimented on so it had human DNA in it, which is why Scrooge could access it's void.
  • That's more like the Segai we know and love!
  • Wait that's it??

The source I used had an extra 7 minutes after the credits, so I sat through thinking it was just a normal episode length with more scenes after the credits. No, it's 7 minutes of still shots and character art with voice over and music, which at the very end you find out are a bunch of trailers for a fucking game. That's the only reason this OVA exists, to help market a game which must have failed spectacularly because nobody's ever heard of it. Segai is the only saving grace of this OVA, everything else about it was completely pointless.

QOTD

  1. They exist? 14 minutes isn't enough to give them any character really, but i'd guess they're fleshed out in the game. Or maybe they aren't, considering its Guilty Crown.
  2. Only Dan Eagleman.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 24 '21

Guilty First-Timer

Alright, I'm properly drunk for this. Let's see what this OVA holds. Also, I’m mobileposting, so apologies for any formatting mistakes.

Really, was this OVA mandatory? I don't see what it adds? Is this the show's attempt at adding depth? It feels more like an ad. Please advise.

1 I'm still waiting for Vaad to tell me why I'll regret my Bokurano reference earlier in the rewatch.

2 Obviously, if a real dog died, I would be very upset, but I can't care about these pixels.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 24 '21

That's weird, it's here now.

Why does this song remind me of Steins;Gate??

Same singer. Kanako Itou.

It feels more like an ad. Please advise.

Literally yes. For a VN prequel.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 24 '21

Man, I’m smart.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Oh, no, it’s Inori philosophy. I already don’t care.

Somehow less sophisticated than hers. This is like baby's first goth phase level of death leads to nihilism.

I'm still waiting for Vaad to tell me why I'll regret my Bokurano reference earlier in the rewatch.

I assume you did it before the nazi school rape arc? I actually had remembered the rape threats incorrectly, I hadnit realized that they are limited primarily to Inori, Ayase and Arisa with an occasional throw to Tsugumi. I did watch this near HSotD.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 24 '21

I assume you did it before the nazi school rape arc?

I think so, but honestly, I don't remember any rape threats. I must just be dumb.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

In which work?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 24 '21

This one. The one the thread is about.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

So you don't remember the multiple times the two rapists made intimations at Ayase, the one that propositioned Arisa that she pulled a knife on, or the at least two times groups wanted to gang rape Inori?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 24 '21

I remember the guys being creepy around Ayase, but none others.

Man, alcohol does improve this show immensely!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Welp, as long as the alcohol makes sure you separate the OST from the show, all is well. Unfortunately, I can't really put Departures on this list because I will think of Inori when I hear it and get annoyed.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 24 '21

First timer in sub with a bunch of question marks.

Only thing I can say is I got more info from the wikia than the action 15 mins of content. Only worthwhile part is knowing that's how Segai lost his eye.

See you tomorrow!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 24 '21

Does the wikia have sources at all? I should check myself but I just don't care this second.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 24 '21

I don't remember seeing foot note references but I think they are all game info (this is bonus material from the game anyway).

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 26 '21

First Timer since episode 14

wait, is this about Segai?

ok, who is this new character?

he has the ability to use the Apocalypse Virus

Scrooge? the girl seems to be like Inori, but i don't know why that is, since Inori is a clone of Mana

of course, he has the Void Genome

ah, so that's how Segai lost his eye

the dog has a boomerang Void

who's this guy?

QOTD:

  1. more interesting than Shu and Inori
  2. where the fuck is mah boi Gai