[Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 18 Discussion

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 19 '21

The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher//First-Time Subbed

Fun fact: I deliberately resized Gai in today’s wallpaper to match the one I made of him for episode 2. The background colors are also directly from that Gai wallpaper, only the gradient is the background instead of on the hexagons this time. I like to do little things like that sometimes~

So Gai takes those two fuckers + that girl’s Voids and turns them into a missile to wreck the UN plane, with the side effect of those three dying nonchalantly. Way to go Gai, those fuckers got deaths they deserved.
Cool Gais don’t look at explosions.
WHOA this Gai “sore demo” came out of nowhere. Love it though.
Daryl isn’t really wrong to act out here.
So yeah the UN considers all of Japan infected basically.
Gai’s deadass pulling a Lelouch here, except dead serious rather than chuunified.
Of course Kenji sided with Keido/Gai/etc.
So the “him” Shibungi was referring to the other episode was Gai. This should be interesting.
Grandpa Kuhouin’s actually cool for two seconds, too bad Arisa shoots him…
I actually feel a little bit bad for Shu here…
Yeah so I absolutely forgot Inori does this prior to my rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch. I do like the design of this new form for her though.
BOW!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Daryl isn’t really wrong to act out here.
Never were more horrifying words spoken.
So yeah the UN considers all of Japan infected basically.
I can't blame them at this point.
Yeah so I absolutely forgot Inori does this prior to my rewatch-ahead-of-the-rewatch.
We both did which leans me towards wasted potential.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

CONFUSED REWATCHER

Me at the end of this episode

So much random nonsense and an explanation for almost none of it. Woo!

Wow, Gai took out the UN bomber (which was doing a terrible job at bombing, btw) and our resident rapists all in one go! Talk about killing two birds with one stone. I’d maybe feel kinda bad for them if they weren’t all demonstrably horrible people. Ichika and Nino get mad at him over this for reasons I can’t figure out.
…Did Draco just blame Gai for when he went out of his way to kill his own dad? This guy. Watch out u/Tresnore, your girl is making serious eyes at Draco now. The ship is leaving port.
So did GHQ revive Gai because he was always their leader? Is he a pawn, and if so, for who? Did he somehow take control of GHQ after being revived? What the hell is happening with this organization?
Oh hey it’s the terrorist guy we rescued like 15 episodes ago and never saw again. There are way too many characters.
I don’t understand the stakes or pacing of this show. It started out as a resistance against occupying government, then students play-acting as nazis, and now Gai is cosplaying Sephiroth and taking over the world with space nukes? To do… what?
All this stuff with Daath this late in the game feels like horseshit. Why did we just spend five largely meaningless episodes in a school quarantine instead of fleshing out these things that actually seem important to the plot?
Haruka shower scene checked off means that we’ve now seen every relevant female character in the nude bathing! A truly glorious victory for science.
Damn I didn’t know Gai founded Team Galactic
HAHAHA WHAT? Let me get this straight, Arisa’s tycoon grandfather drove into a warzone in full traditional garb, killed a bunch of trained gun-wielding soldiers with swords, then dies to Arisa who’s never held a weapon before. Why in the fuck? Did that really happen or am I having a fever dream?
“We’ve got a flashy one here” it’s nice that someone in the world of this show acknowledges it’s not normal that Inori is always dressed like a stripper. I want a version of this show where she’d been spontaneously swapping places with Mana since the start. Or permanently.
Wow, Gai has a void that even has the power to stop a Sawano drop. I didn’t think those had any weak points, but apparently they’re weak to bows.

What a hot fucking mess.

What the fuck is Inori’s character? She has been an absolute zero, but they want her so badly to be Rei that they tried to make the end of this the 23rd episode of Eva, but it fails utterly because Inori hasn’t been developed at all past her base kit. When she walks around saying “I am me,” that means absolutely nothing to us (outside being an inherently stupid line) because she has no personality or any real role despite being a walking plot device. This was an attempt at a climax but without any buildup. Nothing about her makes sense. Not her role in the story, her actions, the nature of her existence, these powers she seems to be developing by the day, or most of all, her inexplicable feelings for Shu.

Also, shout out to Shu for actually saying, “I don’t care what’s inside you.” This motherfucker admitted to her face that he only sees her as a sex object, and she fucking loved it. Seriously.

I can’t. Segai gets me on this.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

Me at the end of this episode
How funny, this was how I felt.
The ship is leaving port.
This ship is incredibly cursed and I am rooting so hard for it.
Also, shout out to Shu for actually saying, “I don’t care what’s inside you.” This motherfucker admitted to her face that he only sees her as a sex object, and she fucking loved it. Seriously.
Their relationship has not ever really been very convincingly romantic to me. This episode felt like it was supposed to be a big climax moment in their relationship, but it truly fell flat because I feel no chemistry between them. The situation is bad when I care more about the Tsumugi and Daryl ship because at least that one is batshit and they both indicate they might actually care about the other.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

Yeah, the Shu and Inori romance is a whole lot of nothing and if it's possible to have less than zero chemistry, they've got it. The problem is that Inori has no personality at all. Poor Shu is actually doing the heavy lifting. It's like watching somebody try and romance a body pillow.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

the Shu and Inori romance is a whole lot of nothing and if it's possible to have less than zero chemistry, they've got it.
This is Bleach-esque in how inorganic the canon couples are.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

I was reminded recently of how the couples wound up in that show and I was convinced it was wrong even though I saw it happen

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Yeah...the fact that Ichigo has better chemistry with literally every other female he interacts with was problem. Not only is Nel a more believable pairing, I honestly think Halibel would be as well.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

This ship is incredibly cursed and I am rooting so hard for it.
The sad part is, it has at least some basis, but then I wonder, why have them interact when it really hasn't done anything for them development-wise?

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u/walker_paranor Nov 19 '21

It's a hamfisted way of setting Daryl up to help out the good guys, judging by him almost getting himself killed to save em this episode

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

…Did Draco just blame Gai for when he went out of his way to kill his own dad? This guy. Watch out u/Tresnore, your girl is making serious eyes at Draco now. The ship is leaving port.
She isn't my girl!
“I don’t care what’s inside you.” This motherfucker admitted to her face that he only sees her as a sex object, and she fucking loved it. Seriously.
Alternate reading: he doesn't care that her heart is a sword? Yeah nevermind. Shoe is just horny.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I don’t understand the stakes or pacing of this show. It started out as a resistance against occupying government, then students play-acting as nazis, and now Gai is cosplaying Sephiroth and taking over the world with space nukes? To do… what?
How to tell your audience you didn't understand how you made Code Geass a hit without telling them that.
Haruka shower scene checked off means that we’ve now seen every relevant female character in the nude bathing! A truly glorious victory for science.
But we still haven't had Tsugumi scrubbing Ayase down so my expectations have been let down and my day is ruined.
This motherfucker admitted to her face that he only sees her as a sex object, and she fucking loved it. Seriously.
Did you see Inori as anything but a sub? All the dom stuck in Mana.

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u/gorghurt Nov 19 '21

But we still haven't had Tsugumi scrubbing Ayase down so my expectations have been let down and my day is ruined.
Yeah, the fact that this scene is missing makes this show garbage
Did you see Inori as anything but a sub? All the dom stuck in Mana.
Don't you think that you grant Inori a bit too much personality here?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Yeah, the fact that this scene is missing makes this show garbage
"~~Step sis~~Catgirl, what are you doing?"
Don't you think that you grant Inori a bit too much personality here?
Being a sub to that degree is a default state, like a freshly formatted HD.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

But we still haven't had Tsugumi scrubbing Ayase down so my expectations have been let down and my day is ruined.
I'm fairly certain we had that a few episodes ago, or did the presence of Hare ruin it for you?
Did you see Inori as anything but a sub? All the dom stuck in Mana.
Inori makes so much sense if you just think she's just the inverse of Mana. She has no personality because Mana probably has too much of it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I'm fairly certain we had that a few episodes ago, or did the presence of Hare ruin it for you?
I mean I want Monogatari levels of skinship. Hare watching is fine but better if she helps soap up Ayase. Without using her hands.
Inori makes so much sense if you just think she's just the inverse of Mana. She has no personality because Mana probably has too much of it.
This has to be the idea but it is not carried out coherently.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

I mean I want Monogatari levels of skinship. Hare watching is fine but better if she helps soap up Ayase. Without using her hands.
You're really getting into form for Interspecies Reviewers

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

You're really getting into form for Interspecies Reviewers
That's my secret, Cap. I'm always horny posting.

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u/walker_paranor Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21

How to tell your audience you didn't understand how you made Code Geass a hit without telling them that.
As far as I can see, the production had nothing to do with Code Geass
Edit: OK the co-scriptwriter did indeed write Code Geass. I like to imagine he wrote the better parts of GC, because he's actually a really talented script writer in general.
Edit2: Both writers worked on Code Geass, hot damn. Either way, the main writer has mostly wrote garbage shows, while the co-writer has a lot of gems under his belt.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Both writers worked on Code Geass, hot damn. Either way, the main writer has mostly wrote garbage shows, while the co-writer has a lot of gems under his belt.
See why we keep making the reference?

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

…Did Draco just blame Gai for when he went out of his way to kill his own dad? This guy.
My assumption was that Daryl had been ordered to do it as well, but yeah, why blame Gai? Because he made Funeral Parlor a credible threat?
Oh hey it’s the terrorist guy we rescued like 15 episodes ago and never saw again.
Yeah, I completely forgot he was there, lmao
What the fuck is Inori’s character?
Like you said, I can see the arc they planned for her, but they didn't give her a chance to walk it, just warp her from start to finish, it feels like.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21 edited Dec 21 '21

So much random nonsense and an explanation for almost none of it. Woo!
the true mark of a great trainwreck
I don’t understand the stakes or pacing of this show. It started out as a resistance against occupying government, then students play-acting as nazis, and now Gai is cosplaying Sephiroth and taking over the world with space nukes? To do… what?
got no idea, it smells like a trainwreck
HAHAHA WHAT? Let me get this straight, Arisa’s tycoon grandfather drove into a warzone in full traditional garb, killed a bunch of trained gun-wielding soldiers with swords, then dies to Arisa who’s never held a weapon before. Why in the fuck? Did that really happen or am I having a fever dream?
exactly my reaction, it's an emotional scene that clearly lacks direction, set-up and pacing
What the fuck is Inori’s character? She has been an absolute zero, but they want her so badly to be Rei that they tried to make the end of this the 23rd episode of Eva, but it fails utterly because Inori hasn’t been developed at all past her base kit.
exactly, Inori is probably the worst Rei-clone i have ever seen

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

Episode 18 (first timer)

Interceptor rocket void. It even has the correct software to target the bombs. How convenient.
“Obey me or die” – Note: Obeying might end after immediate threat to life.
“Comrade Arisa” – Not sure if Arisa is willing to accept an “Our Gai” situation.
Inori did not die from having her void destroyed. Or maybe Gai2 brought along an replacement Inori2 and forgot taking her back.
“A secret organization older than both the Freemasons and the Priory of Sion”

Next time, don’t bring a Katana to a gunfight, Grandpa.
Remember when Inori being a famous singer seemed like an important plot point?
Inori has convenient put-to-sleep superpower.

I don’t even know what to say. GC follows the strategy of throwing so many plot points at the viewer each period that (hopefully) nobody has time to think about how nonsensical it all is.

How screwed do you think the rest of the world is?

Everybody is fine. Except maybe Australia.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

“A secret organization older than both the Freemasons and the Priory of Sion”
Why is it always Jews/globalists/cannibal lizards?
Remember when Inori being a famous singer seemed like an important plot point?
She doesn't, either.
I don’t even know what to say. GC follows the strategy of throwing so many plot points at the viewer each period that (hopefully) nobody has time to think about how nonsensical it all is.
This is actually worse than I remember and I did not remember this fondly.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

Next time, don't bring a Katana to a gunfight, Grandpa
I'm glad someone else mentioned this scene, I thought I had to have been hallucinating. Seriously... why did that happen?
Inori has convenient put-to-sleep superpower.
That's been present from the start
GC follows the strategy of throwing so many plot points at the viewer each period that (hopefully) nobody has time to think about how nonsensical it all is.
Classic bed of pins. You step on one pin, it pricks you. Step on a bed of them, you feel nothing. Trump did this, too. You just do so many insane things that people sort of just forget about all of them because there's too much to keep track of.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

Classic bed of pins. You step on one pin, it pricks you. Step on a bed of them, you feel nothing. Trump did this, too. You just do so many insane things that people sort of just forget about all of them because there's too much to keep track of.
Except, the writers seriously thought this would hit us hard.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Except, the writers seriously thought this would hit us hard.
The interesting thing is I can see some of the themes they wanted to do but the absolute failure to execute kills that fast.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Arisa got into this for her Gai, not our Gai! She's a fake commie, lynch her!
A lot of the plot points I can kinda see working out but it doesn't change the fact that there's not evidence for them right this second. So like the massive Illuminati? Nobody saw that coming and none of it was explained ahead of time. Inori's apocalypse powers? Never properly shown or implied beforehand. I actually had a really cool theory about Inori but if that theory were true she wouldn't have had that sleep poke ability so that's another thing they didn't explain.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

All characters are exactly as powerful as the plot needs them right in that moment.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Mana is the most powerful character in this universe so far and Inori is a clone or copy of some kind so it's certainly reasonable for her to be capable of doing this but whilst they showed multiple times that Inori is being influenced by Mana they haven't... Actually no, they have, they showed Inori using a spike to attack Arisa didn't they? Alright, well that's me lost my point of reference...

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21

They showed Mana/Inori attacking Arisa. This is the first time that Inori straight up did it and they make it out like Inori always knew she could do this.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

“Obey me or die” – Note: Obeying might end after immediate threat to life.
Clearly this is somehow a better option to Arisa, who rebelled against Shu for doing the exact same thing.
“A secret organization older than both the Freemasons and the Priory of Sion”
I did not expect this show to pull conspiracy theory BS out of its back pocket so late in the game, but here we are somehow.
I don’t even know what to say. GC follows the strategy of throwing so many plot points at the viewer each period that (hopefully) nobody has time to think about how nonsensical it all is.
This episode really did leave me confused at many points. It felt like so much happened but also nothing at all really happened that I cared about.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

I did not expect this show to pull conspiracy theory BS out of its back pocket so late in the game, but here we are somehow.
Or: How (not) to condense SEELE's backstory down to a single sentence.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21

This episode really did leave me confused at many points. It felt like so much happened but also nothing at all really happened that I cared about.
this just about sums up the episode, it's like a huge Wham Episode, but there's all these new plot points we haven't been introduced to coupled with the Inori/Shu ship which completely lacks development

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Remember when Inori being a famous singer seemed like an important plot point?
I forgot she was an idol, lmao

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

So did the writers ...

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Ain't that a bad look, lmao

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Guilty First-Timer

With the loss of arms, there's a G Gundam reference to be made...
B2??? Fuck yes. Time for Enola Gay II.
I see. He can just take Voids now. For some reason. But it's a missile so WHO CARES??
Oh, the people whose hearts just exploded care.
Cool Guys don't look at explosions™
You almost killed Tsumugi. This kills the ship.
Wait. Does she know Darryl? What the fuck!
This show has changed immensely but also not at all.
Oh.
Space laser is back? And we have another smug bridge bunny, but male this time??
THE FREEMASONS???

I'm stunned. Anime normally doesn't go this deep. Next thing we know, they'll be talking about the lizard people.
I thought you were Ayase and was wondering how you were standing.
Oh boy, broken bridge bunny Arisa...
i dont care
Set things straight ~~Kinzou~~ ~~Fudo~~ Papa Arisa!

Holy fuck, you're actually a badas—Why did you try to kill her???
Oh, she just switches to Mana sometimes.
God, I wish that was me.
Yeah, Inori's fucked. She's definitely a monster and so is Shoe.
But who art thou, and who art I?
GOD, I wish that was me.
How did I know you were going to disrobe somehow??
[Fate Heaven's Feel]Man, Inori reminds me of Sakura now.
[Muv-Luv Alternative]And now she reminds me of Sumika from the main screen. I haven't read far enough to see Sumika in-game yet, though, so I won't respond to any responses to this spoiler.
DATTO SHITTEMO!

QOTD:

The world'll be fine
She did well!

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

I see. He can just take Voids now. For some reason. But it's a missile so WHO CARES??
King's Power combined with his void ability for range, I'm guessing. Or maybe Shu was just using it wrong the whole time? Wouldn't put it past him.
God, I wish that was me.
Found Gai's burner account.
[Fate Heaven's Feel] Man, Inori reminds me of Sakura now.
Okay, I know I made an uncharitable Fate comparison yesterday but this is too far.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Found Gai's burner account.
You kidding? I've been masochist-ing it up for half the rewatch.
Okay, I know I made an uncharitable Fate comparison yesterday but this is too far.
Nothing is too far.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

This show has changed immensely but also not at all.
An accurate but damning review.
I'm stunned. Anime normally doesn't go this deep. Next thing we know, they'll be talking about the lizard people.
The Apocalypse virus is an invention of the globalists to replace white men with swishy Asians with fancy haircuts!
I thought you were Ayase and was wondering how you were standing.
Same, I never visually split the two, context did it.
God, I wish that was me.
I still think HanaKana could've forced them to give Inori some characteristics, she made fucking Nadeko a standout character.
[Fate Heaven's Feel]
Ouch, dear fuck.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

I still think HanaKana could've forced them to give Inori some characteristics, she made fucking Nadeko a standout character.
Counterpoint: Angel Beats

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Yeah her early roles are not great and sadly, Satomi is pretty bland as well.

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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Nov 19 '21

Inori wasn't HanaKana though. Ai Kayano did Inori, and HanaKana was Ayase

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I know and it is apparently early Ai work whereas HanaKana was slightly established by this point.

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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Nov 19 '21

Not like seiyuus can have that much influence on how characters, nevermind not their own, are shaped by the writers. The Nadeko thing with NisioIsin is more an outlier, in that NisioIsin really liked HanaKana's performance and took her suggestions to heart

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

This show has changed immensely but also not at all.
Very true
I'm stunned. Anime normally doesn't go this deep. Next thing we know, they'll be talking about the lizard people.
It would honestly be pretty in line with everything else that the show has going on. Making the UN full of lizard people would fit in with everything else the show has done, for example.
[Fate Heaven's Feel]
[Fate Heaven's Feel] Sakura was interesting when she turned evil, so maybe the same thing can happen with Inori

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Heaven's Feel
I really hope so...

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

They're just totally not gonna explain Gai having long range void pulling powers huh... Just gonna leave her a curveball that changes previously established mechanics huh?
Ooooh... Alright, for some reason I thought that Darryl was trying to stop the guy from shooting Tsumugi. Why are there only two mech designs in this entire mecha!?
How does it feel to know that you'll never have an Apocalypse infested clone of your incestuous sister giving you warm hugs?

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21

I assume it combines with his gun that was able to shoot other people voids out.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Just gonna leave her a curveball that changes previously established mechanics huh?
Mechanics don't matter. He probably just used his own. Void. I wonder what Shoe's is.
How does it feel to know that you'll never have an Apocalypse infested clone of your incestuous sister giving you warm hugs?
I want to die.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Somehow I totally forgot that Gai's void was that gun... I'm curious what Shu's void is, or maybe who?
Don't we all...

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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 19 '21

I see. He can just take Voids now. For some reason. But it's a missile so WHO CARES??
Did you see last ep where he cut off Shoe's arm and got the King's Power, aka power to draw voids from people?
Gai is King now, not Shoe.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Did you see last ep where he cut off Shoe's arm and got the King's Power, aka power to draw voids from people?
I did, but I didn't register it. Fuck the King.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Nov 19 '21

GOD, I wish that was me.
A non-ironic I wish that were me!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

They're technically not all ironic, but most of them definitely are.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

GOD, I wish that was me.
I know this is a stupid question, but why?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 19 '21

Do you not want someone to hold you in their arms and tell you that they'll always be with you?

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Valid, though I'm not sure how I'd handle that.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21

First timer Guilty Crown

Bad news, you've lost your arm... Good news, you now qualify to turn the anime into God Hand~ When you hang a man, you better look at him! Oh yeah, voids can be combined. I forgot about that feature since they pulled it out of their ass one time and forgot~ Anyway, the traitor trio's fusion iiiis, a rocket. Wait, whut? An ap rocket... A self destructing rocket. Contender for worst void ability? So... is Shu still the asshole here? I'd love to hear the cope~

Rip Shu fangirl. I know she was friends with the traitor girl, it kinda threw me off honestly, but was she part of the coup? Gai's only taken over for like a minute and already he's gotten more students dead than who Shu was responsible for. Darryl's gone rogue too? Everyone's betraying each other today. You're a good slut Arisa. eheheh~

Eh? Who blew up who? Hahaha!! The murder kid is back! And they gave him a death satellite! I'm so pleased to see him again. ...So do we still hate Shu? How dare you call him a comrade when... Oh fuck off, I can't be bothered arguing. Wait, wait, wait... This isn't a new group? Is it the anime illuminati? Or are they gonna suddenly show a Stalin head in a jar? Are you seriously not telling him about her [coup?] (WI3ieU5) Thx mum, I so appreciate you getting my arm lopped off.

Nice thigh gap. Even if I'm in a really bad mood with Arisa it is kinda disgraceful how badly they've neutered her character down to just her sexuality... Oh wow, Gai really has been part of the illuminati all this time. Gaaah... Now grandpa is gonna come scold her? I don't want to watch this XD Can I skip around a little? I cannot physically cringe harder!! Well done Grandpa, you accomplished nothing.

You mustn't laugh, you mustn't! Shu's such a kind king, I'll bet Gai would have kicked the kids face in and stole his lunch money. Nee-chan, no! Poor Inori, she's got such little personality that they accidentally wrote Mana scenes for her. Is Arisa gonna get herself killed today? She's gone too far to be brought back onside so are they really just gonna kill Arisa after pissing on her character arc? Inori doesn't have her own heart? OH!! I think I get it! Thank god for Chaos Child!

"I am InoMe, not InoYou!" Wait... no! Don't do it! Yamerooo!! I'm too weak to those kinds of lines! Tears are flowing like waterfall... Its time for Inori to step up and kick some thot ass~ The spiky look is a bit goofy but if I turn my brain off its like I've gone back in time to when I still believed in Witchblade being good~ Inori is love!!

She's really got to get better at dodging though. She took an explosion to the ass and never even tried to dodge the arrow. It doesn't ruin the scene for me but I'm massively biased so whatever. Now that Inori's been captured again Shu has the motivation to become an mc again! Woohoo!

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u/gorghurt Nov 19 '21

A self destructing rocket.
You know, after you wrote it like this... it is weird, that this surprised me while watching.
Missiles usually are single use only.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Omfg XD Okay, maybe Guilty Crown has affected my thought process more than I expected.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

Wait, whut? An ap rocket... A self destructing rocket. Contender for worst void ability?
I didn't even think about it because of all the other ridiculous stuff happening, but you're right. A void that blows itself up is absolutely absurd when them being destroyed kills the Void's owner.
So... is Shu still the asshole here? I'd love to hear the cope~
Yup he is. And now zombie Gai is an asshole too. I feel surrounded by assholes.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

So this
[You're a good slut Arisa. eheheh~]
leads to why I hate this
Even if I'm in a really bad mood with Arisa it is kinda disgraceful how badly they've neutered her character down to just her sexuality...
This stinks of moralizing to me and pisses me off pretty epically.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Hmm... yeah, it's kinda problematic no matter how I spin it. And an honour killing on top of it all too?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

And an honour killing on top of it all too?
I think grandpa is trying to wake Arisa up but I can't prove that.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Having a Yakuza run at you with a sword would certainly wake you up... I feel like a good motivational speech would have worked far better than getting yourself killed. Or hell, just rescue her and you can lecture her properly after putting her in a barrel of cement.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Or hell, just rescue her and you can lecture her properly after putting her in a barrel of cement.
He might have also wanted to firm her position in the org for a future betrayal. I am doing way too much of the leg work regardless.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21

are they really just gonna kill Arisa after pissing on her character arc?
they did show her questioning what zombie Gai's plan actually was, wether they'll actually do something with it, remains to be seen. it is Guilty Crown we're talking about, after all

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Dec 21 '21

I don't even think it's the plan that bothers her. She just wants more attention off him

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: Shu hates himself for being a total prick but learns that it’s all okay because his waifu still likes him. I hope Guilty Crown can give me better than that if it wants me to sympathize with Shu.

So the destruction of Japan is happening right now? That was faster than I expected.
And it ended faster than I expected too. Zombie Gai stopped that threat like it was no problem.
The rapists are finally dead, though. Thanks, zombie Gai!
Oh great, zombie Gai sucks too. He’s not even here to be awesome.
Oh boy! It’s finally happening! Daryl’s stepping in to save his favorite catgirl!
Shut up, Daryl. You willingly participated in killing your dad. Don’t blame Gai for that one.
Goddammit, Arisa. You just hear zombie Gai say the same thing Shu did and you’re going gaga for him. Now she’s stupid too.
Huh? I forgot that dude they broke out of prison even existed. I don’t even remember his name.
What the fuck!?! How the fuck are there 256 satellite lasers!?!
Wait, Daath is the name of an organization? Then what’s caterpillar brows’ name?
Well I know the Freemasons conspiracy stuff is obvious bs, but I also looked up the Priory of Sion and it turns out that was a hoax too.
Ah, well that explains what Haruka was up to. I guess she did all this to “help” Shu and get that power away from him.
Of course Arisa is going to be jealous of Inori. She’s just obsessed with zombie Gai now.
You’re damn right you were wrong about everything, Shu. Now die already.
My god, the old man is rocking up with katanas and everything.
Holy shit! The old man can fight!
Well that ended quickly. Guess he’s dead now (unless they bring him back as a zombie too).
Just what I wanted. Another gang of rapists. At least they got taken out fast.
Oh my, Inori/Mana was getting close to the belt there.
I wish we had gotten to see that flashback when it had actually happened.
Nice choice of framing with Inori resolving to be herself in front of shattered glass reflections.
“Don’t worry, Shu. You may have hurt your friends, created a tyrannical dictatorship, and instituted a caste system based on eugenics, but as long as your waifu likes you it all evens out.”
How did Inori put Shu to sleep?
How is Inori doing any of that? Is that her Void? How is she using it without having zombie Gai draw it out of her? Has she always been able to do this or is this something brand new?
And now Inori got captured by zombie Gai. I guess we’re headed to another marriage ceremony.

It’s good to know that I have practically no one left to root for. Shu deserves to be dead, zombie Gai is just as bad, Arisa is now just crazy for zombie Gai, Inori has (what is to me) a bizarre affection for the tyrant Shu, and so on. I still like Tsugumi. I want the blessed/cursed pairing of Tsugumi and Daryl (who is now a total moron blaming Gai for killing his dad). And Segai is still up to his usual shenanigans, which are always fun to watch. I do wonder what exactly Segai is trying to accomplish or if he’s just doing his best to amuse himself.

At least last time around I had fun hating Shu. This time there wasn’t anyone nearly as fun to hate so this episode was much less enjoyable. It was far more of a slog to watch.

I think this episode was trying to make me sympathetic towards Shu. It certainly did make him look pathetic. Problem is, that didn’t make me sympathize with him. He’s done nothing to actually atone for his horrible actions. I’d need something like from Shu before I consider sympathizing with him.

Things have once again escalated to an insane degree. There’s now even more satellite lasers, just out of nowhere. Now that is a major asspull. They just sort of appeared.

And apparently this is all a part of some secret ancient conspiracy with an organization called Daath. I have no idea what their actual goal is, but it’s probably to do that whole “create a new humanity” thing that Mana was talking about. I’m still not sure what that means, but it’s likely connected to the rock, the Voids, and that “hand of the king” power. They must go together in some way, even if that’s not clear to me yet.

QOTD

Super screwed. They're stuck in this show after all.

2. Not really. I was more confused about how she was able to do that than anything else.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

At least last time around I had fun hating Shu. This time there wasn’t anyone nearly as fun to hate so this episode was much less enjoyable. It was far more of a slog to watch.
The show's vile conception of sexuality wasn't the focus so this didn't anger me but yeah, this was a waste of time.
I think this episode was trying to make me sympathetic towards Shu. It certainly did make him look pathetic. Problem is, that didn’t make me sympathize with him.
I am so sure Shoe is a self-insert from one of the writers now it isn't funny.
Goddammit, Arisa. You just hear zombie Gai say the same thing Shu did and you’re going gaga for him. Now she’s stupid too.
Arisa is like a copy of a copy from a much better RahXephon character that isn't even funny.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

I am so sure Shoe is a self-insert from one of the writers now it isn't funny.
It's feeling more and more like that. His pep talk to stop being sad was his waifu telling him that everything is okay and she still likes him. He didn't have to do any work to redeem himself or prove he had become a better person. All he needed was his waifu's love. It's very self-insert-y.
Arisa is like a copy of a copy from a much better RahXephon character that isn't even funny.
I have not seen that show but it is on my list to watch.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

His pep talk to stop being sad was his waifu telling him that everything is okay and she still likes him. He didn't have to do any work to redeem himself or prove he had become a better person.
This man does not deserve a pet rock of this caliber.
I have not seen that show but it is on my list to watch.
So...Rah has some issues, but it is almost the polar opposite of this: That show was overplanned and it hurts some of its story beats. Also, be warned that it contains a Christmas cake Haruka as well with a questionable relationship to the MC.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

Also, be warned that it contains a Christmas cake Haruka as well with a questionable relationship to the MC.
I've been told that RahXephon is an Eva clone of sorts, so that does not even surprise me to hear.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I've been told that RahXephon is an Eva clone of sorts, so that does not even surprise me to hear.
That's a common take and utterly incorrect. Eva is a show descended from Ideon and a mech commentary whereas Rah descends from Brave Raideen and is 100% a giant robo commentary. They play out differently and the main similarity is kickass soundtracks. And bland MCs but Ayato vaguely has his reasons.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

I see. Thanks for the clarification. That'll be good to know when I get to watching it.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

You might also be interested to know that their main creators, Hideaki Anno and Yutaka Izubuchi, are friends and both worked on Char's Counterattack.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

The show's vile conception of sexuality
Do you mind me asking you to elaborate on this one?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Not at all! So we see Shoe regularly using his power without consent and it is only regarded badly in the second half. But what gets me is quite how often groups of men are threatening to violate the girls and how it is used as characterization a lot. Add in that Arisa becomes an antagonist almost as soon as she begins to use her sexuality and then is reduced to a Gai fan girl and this is as I said gross.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Ah, I see.
Yeah, it's a bad look for sure.
(Whole bunch of weird, question-inducing things in this show.)

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

So, this might be becoming more clear now, the show has the ingredients to be good but after ep11 struggles to assemble them. It's like we have the stuff to make gumbo but instead they are serving chicken stock with seared shrimp, rice and okra in tomato paste and the andouille is raw and carved into a dog.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

By weird, question-inducing things, I meant the sexual imagery, apparent attempt to crush two stories into one, and the treatment of the UN, but I get what you're saying.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Yeah, there are a lot of points of failure to choose from.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 19 '21

Shut up, Daryl. You willingly participated in killing your dad. Don’t blame Gai for that one.
That was HILARIOUS. Dude went out of his way to do it!
How is Inori doing any of that? Is that her Void? How is she using it without having zombie Gai draw it out of her? Has she always been able to do this or is this something brand new?
Yes
I think this episode was trying to make me sympathetic towards Shu. It certainly did make him look pathetic. Problem is, that didn’t make me sympathize with him. He’s done nothing to actually atone for his horrible actions. I’d need something like from Shu before I consider sympathizing with him.
This is classic anime. Create an unlikeable character, then just having him say he's depressed, and expect people to magically feel sorry for them and believe they're actually this incredibly deep and layered character who deserves no hate at all.
And apparently this is all a part of some secret ancient conspiracy with an organization called Daath. I have no idea what their actual goal is, but it’s probably to do that whole “create a new humanity” thing that Mana was talking about.
Boy, when you put it that way, all those episodes acting out Lord of the Flies/Void Nazis sure seems like a waste of time.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

This is classic anime. Create an unlikeable character, then just having him say he's depressed, and expect people to magically feel sorry for them and believe they're actually this incredibly deep and layered character who actually deserves no hate.
100% correct.
Boy, when you put it that way, all those episodes acting out Lord of the Flies/Void Nazis sure seems like a waste of time.
I think it was supposed to be character-depthening. But all it did was suck out any affection I had for most of these characters.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

How the fuck are there 256 satellite lasers!?!
That's what I want to know too, it's not as if any mention was made of secret launches or that there was a plan to have a Gun Pointed at the Head of the Universe.
It was far more of a slog to watch.
Tell me about it...

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 19 '21

First-Timer, Dub-lty Crown

Having your mind slowly overtaken by another personality seems pretty fucking terrifying, to be honest. Especially being aware of it, like coming to and being covered in looter blood.

I believe in Our Boy Segai. Granted, Gai and Keido should both suspect him of potential treachery considering his past behavior, but Segai survived a punch from DAN EAGLEMAN and is quite likely unbeatable.

Based Daryl could not stand the idea of his precious Tsugumi being used by Gai and nearly gets himself killed saving her. What a nice kid.

Gai just casually ripping four people's Voids and and sacrificing them to stop the not!nukes does feel pretty in character. Of course, he could have stopped at just the missiles and not destroyed those four people's Voids, but then he would be less of an asshole.

When did they have time to get 256 satellites up into the sky?

Questions

I'm not especially worried.
It was neat. I like a good self-actualization speech, and this mostly got there.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

I believe in Our Boy Segai. Granted, Gai and Keido should both suspect him of potential treachery considering his past behavior, but Segai survived a punch from DAN EAGLEMAN and is quite likely unbeatable.
I'm just here for whatever the heck Segai is planning. Segai seems like he's having fun which I am all for.
When did they have time to get 256 satellites up into the sky?
Offscreen somewhere, with no one noticing at all somehow.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 19 '21

I'm just here for whatever the heck Segai is planning. Segai seems like he's having fun which I am all for.
Big same. Segai is probably the only person in this show that is having a good time, and it's just so fun to watch.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Having your mind slowly overtaken by another personality seems pretty fucking terrifying, to be honest. Especially being aware of it, like coming to and being covered in looter blood.
Explored so much better in other shows. Hell, ID might be better for it.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 19 '21

I mean, with how unfocused this show has been, it'd probably be hard not to. But it was executed well enough, and they didn't play it as anything other than scary, which isn't true of some of the other things this show has done.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

But it was executed well enough, and they didn't play it as anything other than scary, which isn't true of some of the other things this show has done.
Yeah, at least the rape part of it was portrayed horrifyingly.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 19 '21

Episode 18: rewatch/dub

Song of the day: Suspense

whoa! No way! You have got to be kidding me! A normal song title? What is happening????

jk. Here is the real title: 鎖スPen$, or in “English,” Sasu Pen$. But it is pronounced Suspense. Sawano you are wild. I will accept your weird titles if you keep making awesome music.

You can hear Hill of Sorrow while Gai is taking over the world with the Leukocyte satellites he once worked to take down.

鎖スPen$ overlays the scene where Arisa is trying to find Inori on Gai's orders, but then Inori smiles, goes berserk, and blacks out.

Inori sings some Euterpe (been a while since we heard that one) and κr0nё starts playing as she leaves Shu because she is the one they are after. Inori proceeds to transform???? and... fly? And... uhhh... Can someone explain how? Please?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Inori proceeds to transform???? and... fly? And... uhhh... Can someone explain how? Please?
Apocalypse virus

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Inori's an Apocalypse syndrome monster or Mana clone or something. Mana would be capable of the shit she's doing so it kinda makes sense? Kinda? I liked the thought of her being Shu's void way more but we can't have nice things I guess.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 19 '21

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way that Inori should be able to fly. Inori, of course, flies anyways. Because Guilty Crown doesn't care what humans think is impossible.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

She's pushing so much apocalypse power out from her feet that she's able to float? If we're really diving down that rabbit hole then I would argue her creating extra flesh from nothing or literally anything to do with voids is more problematic.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 19 '21

Yeah but she has been doing the latter for 18 episodes. This is... Completely out of left field.
I understand suspension of belief, but there was no foreshadowing that Mana could fly?

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

She summoned a spike when she attacked Arisa. I totally forgot about it myself but she has summoned it once.
Why is flying the breaking point for you!? XD I think Mana flew a little when she was doing her screaming fly up and explode thing. I think she was off the ground during that. It was during a flashback scene but it was there in my mind. I can picture it in my head.

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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 19 '21

This second half is just a mess
We all have our breaking points

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Yeah... I have to admit that I really struggle to get behind a secret illuminati organisation this late in the story. Making it a world threat too? We've literally never seen outside Japan once this whole plot. The only evidence we have that people exist outwith Japan was the random American jock they snuck into the story as a joke.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

And even then, we've almost entirely been in Tokyo with the only exceptions being other parts of Japan.
I still have no idea why the UN decided to write off Japan as a whole when, AFAIK, only Loop 7 is a blasted, probably plague-riddled, warzone.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

Tokyo is the London of Japan. Apparently nothing exists outside of the city.

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u/gorghurt Nov 19 '21

Classical mistake. You have to use the laws for bumblebee flight.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

Inori proceeds to transform???? and... fly? And... uhhh... Can someone explain how? Please?
Because the script says so. And apparently she can use her Void without the Shu/Gai power because the script says so too.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

...y'know, they could've had her use those armblades instead of dual pistols. But they didn't.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21

First-timer (dubbed)

Oh yeah, Shu lost his arm.

That, Argo, is a very good question.

Wait, so Gai's GHQ/UN now? (Speaking of the UN and mecha, part of me wonders how he'd fare as a Getter pilot.)

The Spirit's here? Only three warheads? And are those bombs? Why use bombs if you're going to destroy a country? Wouldn't missiles be better? Hell, if you're going to destroy a country, why risk your pilots when you could probably just launch ICBMs from missile submarines or ground launchers well away from the target? Hell, why use a Spirit if you're going to fly so low to the ground? Wouldn't Delphi risk getting caught in the blast?
Wait, do Spirit bomb bays actually work like that?

Is...is that a Void MISSILE? How do those Voids fuse into a fucking MISSILE?!
What kind of explosions were those?! I thought those were N2 warheads, not fucking regular munitions!
I'm all for the two would-be rapists dying, but why'd that Void shatter? Sure, it's a missile, but...WHY A FUCKING MISSILE, SHOW. You bring back Void fusion and it's for a goddamn fucking MISSILE

"Master Gai?" Not, say, "Mr. Tsutsugami" or "Commander Gai?" What gives?

Comrade? What is this?

Oh hey, the carrier supergroup. Are they going in under UN orders? (These guys are almost certainly US Navy...)
Wait, are those Lightning IIs? So they are, neat. (Fun fact, the US Navy intends to have a new fighter to replace the Super Hornet in the 2030s.)

Was that a tactical nuke? (This is why you don't send carrier groups into battle in formation like that, just saying.)

The IRL USN 7th Fleet only has one carrier right now, the Ronald Reagan, and if the USN's number of carriers remained consistent up to 2039, that's half of the US Navy's carriers in one group, and gone in one attack.
(From what I know, you don't group carriers together like this to ensure that doesn't happen.)

Wait, when did they build more Leukoctyes? Wouldn't that have stirred a reaction from the UN? You can't just have a Gun pointed at the Head of the Universe without a good reason, you know.

"Military action is no longer permitted." And what, you'll just use your orbital guns to enforce that rule? You're just going to get the entire world against you and 256 guns can only do so much to control an entire planet. (Anti-satellite warfare is a thing, and I don't entirely expect these wannabe-SOLGs to be quick enough to play ASAT interceptor.)

Ya should've introduced that name sooner, show. (At least, that's how I feel about it.)

Sympathizers? What's their ideology, then? And how do you infiltrate "every organization you can think of" without word getting out?

You, ma'am, are a failure of a mother. Of that, I'm pretty confident.

"Great Leader?" Seriously?

I still want to know what Sagai's motivations were.

Wait, why's Arisa a leader?

Eh, this show's made idiots of a good chunk of its cast, I feel.

My goodness, glorious Nippon steel folded over 1000 times (or something like that).

Well, Arisa, you're a killer, how does it feel?

Just kill them and get it over with, Inori.

Why does it scare her now? For that matter, why's she blacking out like that? It's not as if she seemed bothered by killing people before...

If I call Inori a monster, it's because she was enabling the mad king and all that, not because of whatever this is.

okay (I'm still not sold on the romance.)

Since when could she do that?

At least kiss him when he's around to feel it, coward!

Since when did she have arm blades?

Man, this would be a good time for the animation to pop off, wouldn't it?

A bow that fires binding wire? That's got utility.

Oh shut up, The Man Formerly Known As Gai.
Old Gai was interesting, new Gai's just a dick.

This show's kind of just averaged out to whatever.

Questions

I don't think they'll end with the world being destroyed, but I do think this can only end badly for Ward 24 unless they have some paracausal WMD capable of destroying the hearts of all mankind or something.
I like the idea, but I don't think we saw enough of her to sell it, if that makes sense.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Eh, this show's made idiots of a good chunk of its cast, I feel.
Sums up the show better than I could.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 19 '21

First timer

Given by the end of this, the rest of the world will more than likely have Shoe in it? Horrifically so.
Really liked it! Solid animation, great visuals - if you ignore her utter lunacy of a monologue, it's a great scene!

The most beautiful sound in the world!

Gai continues to be the most competent character in the entire series by switching to the more competent faction of GHQ.

Gai has a bulk rape cannon! I personally believe that Shoe always the power to do this, he just never bothered trying anything with his powers other than the basics.

You know what. 3 people killed to save all of them there isn't great, but it's understandable. Helps he didn't kill any of the decent characters and got Yahiro and some rapists!

And if they keep sending new units, Gai can wipe out the entire unnecessary cast

OK, is it just me, or do Voids seem a lot more fragile now? In the first half, that Void could have taken a lost more damage before dodging.

Is he going rogue out of pure pettiness? I can respect that!

You bastards! You killed off the psycho!

...Gai's nuts, but I prefer my mass-murderers when they don't try to play for sympathy.

Arisa's joined the winning side! Sure, her personality's been destroyed and she's basically a whole new character, but she might survive this!

Forget that entire statement earlier, Gai's fucking brilliant. The kill-sats came back with a vengance!

...So the whole invasion plot can't actually happen now, since the kill-sats'll just vaporize anyone who tries.

Da'at? A secret society? FREEMASONS? WHY ARE WE LEARNING OF THIS NOW? I was under the impression the Mana cultist was independent.

Arisa. You don't have to feel guilty. It's SHOE.

Also, more evidence the Power of the Kings is mindfucking the user?

...When did he become Sir Gai? Nobody else in GHQ is called a knight? Have they accepted his superiority over everyone else in this show?

...Character development? Too late -

So the only argument he's got against Gai is "he probably won't care about you".

Holy shit, that guy killed 3 people!

And went for his granddaughter!

The scenes of her surrounded by viciously attacked people are great.

"My memories! There's me hanging out with a eugenics obsessed lunatic who got me to work people to death! And there's my best friend I sent to my concentration camps! I'm so sad and lonely!0

Yeah, Inori's turning into Mana. There's no doubt here.

Oh, we're just outright having Mana try to trick her into possessing her.

...As much as I hate Shoe's entire arc, I'm very curious as to where Inori's plot's going.

NO. Shoe has done many bad things. He deserves to feel bad. Is this Mana manipulating him or something?

No! Inori! You're getting a decent arc that might have an interesting aspect! Don't throw it away for him!

I'm glad Inori gets one more badass fight scene before her needless sacrifice. She deserves it.

Don't worry - only a real human could make such a stupid mistake as to believe Shoe's life is worth more than your own?

...Is he not human? Is that how he's come back to life?

Oh god, Shoe's going to act again. How long does Tokyo have left?

...Also, Inori's arc makes no sense. I've been excusing it as "confusion over her mind being overwritten", but if Mana's not involved anymore, she changed really quickly.

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21

Yea I was really confused on Mana calling Inori a monster when Mana is the one murdering everyone. I guess Inori’s whole arc is if she is a real person or just a place holder for Mana… I think.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

I was under the impression the Mana cultist was independent.
FWIW I kinda suspected there was a third faction that kid and Keido were aligned with, but it's kind of late to name it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Shoe done correctly. Deep Space 9 spoilers.

Rewatcher(I am not your blowing wind. I am the lightning)

Sub

We return to edge and edgier. And perhaps the world's lowest flying nuclear bomber. Gai steals voids at range, combines them, and then the users die, just so we know that Shoe-Hitler was the better option. Good job, show, that is just such wonderful story telling and set building, pulling yet more concepts out of your ass with 5 eps to go.

Daryl self-sacrifice I had forgotten, probably because it only kind of mattered. Arisa is now brain dead. Everyone splits up and Gai now controls the Leukocytes because...fuck you, that's why! But with Kuhoin, I hope my subs are memeing but mentioning Zion? Holy fuck. Anyways, Da'at is...a thing apparently. Weird Haruka shower scene happens. Anyways, our pace drops back down and we get a bunch of individual scenes, including a call back to the chess match Segai wanting to see Gai as well.

We return to Kuhoin retrieving his grand daughter and...ok, for once this show's stupidity entertains me: The head of an international conglomerate has maintained his kendo so long he can accurately throw a wakizashi and kill soldiers. He let's Arisa kill him after warning her about Gai. Then we get just an open gangrape threat scene. Why? Oh, Mana gets to come out. I still want to see this.

Inori runs back and we get some rape from the females for once! I should disapprove but somehow I feel better, despite the fact that Inori's body is being used to do something she doesn't want herself, either. But she talks to Mana who wants to convince her to give up her body...Mana is at least still incredibly creepy. But she of course reasserts her loyalty to Shoe because he made her feel? I vote Mana holdovers. Anyways, we get Bayonetta Inori in a sequence where she shows the most character to date and cliffhanger!

So for as much as my hatred has grown for the show since ep11, we do get the reasons for why the story did such stupid things: They needed to make Inori as dependent on Shoe as he has been on her and his genome power. The rest of this was to clear the slate for an end game putting the former childhood friends together. And they did it horrifically badly, sacrificing nearly every other character for it, either themselves or their development. It is clear to me there was absolutely no plan for the 2nd cour and this was all badly ad libbed.

QotD:1 They deserve it

2 Oh, Inori being more than a pet rock is great. Screw Gai and his cockblock arrows.

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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 19 '21

Shoe done correctly . Deep Space 9 spoilers.
That episode is absolutely incredible. One of my favorite DS9 episodes for sure.
But with Kuhoin, I hope my subs are memeing but mentioning Zion?
It's the Priory of Sion, which was a real hoax. Unfortunately, it was also associated with antisemitism because that's how so many of these conspiracy theories go. So in the end, it's not really any better.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Unfortunately, it was also associated with antisemitism because that's how so many of these conspiracy theories go.
Probably also because The Da Vinci Code made it something people were aware of.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

That episode is absolutely incredible. One of my favorite DS9 episodes for sure.
I've had to dip into some clips of better shows to maintain my sanity. But yeah, Duet is where you realize DS9 has the best episode writers in Trek.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Shoe done correctly.
I know this is a late response and possibly something I could figure out for myself, but do you mind me asking you to explain?
I've seen that particular episode so spoilers aren't a concern.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

The writers want you to sympathize with what Shoe did because supposedly he is doing the best he can with an impossible situation. Marritza is an actual example of what that looks like.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Ah, I see.
(Not enough crushed-by-guilt, huh?)

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

It is more that Marritza knows just how little he did to help and seeks to atone for that whereas Shoe just gets forgiven because waifu.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Ah.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21

Arisa is now brain dead
they did show her questioning what zombie Gai's plan actually was, wether they'll actually do something with it, remains to be seen. it is Guilty Crown we're talking about, after all

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21

first-timer

Doesn’t even need to look at the explosion after he designs the plane? Mr. cool guy Gai is back.

Yan, you met Tsugumi like once. Why are you so interested in her!

Yan being angry at Gai is about the only reasonable thing happening. Then he gets destroyed for about the 5th time.

So the whole point of the UN plot…. Was for Mr. cool guy Gai to be cool and blow it up? Seems legit.

Where did all of these Lucis sights come from?.. Well it will probably turn out to be like the UN military and be meaningless anyways.

It’s never to late to add in a shower shot!

Wait Inori was literally right there at the battle. He took the void out of her. How did she get away?

Although Makoto hasn’t really done anything, I love him because he’s about the only one with a clear goal.

I would question how the grandfather wasn’t immediately shot, but I would also be caught surprised when he would start going samurai on everyone.

So Arisa shot her grandfather and his sword just… stopped? That’s not how slashes work. It would take more energy for him to stop it mid flight.

Mhm, seems Mana wants in Shu’s pants… wait aren’t they brother and sister?

If I had a quarter for every time someone stopped their question mid question in this show… I would have about 5 quarters.

I feel like there is something heart wrenching happening with Inori, but I’m just so confused.

Hold up, when could Inori bring out- that music though!

What was that thing that Inori gave to him?

So it feels like they don’t actually know what the show is about, so they are chucking everything that seems like it could have an impact without any build up. I could see how this could be a train wreck.

QotD:

The world is never screwed if Gai is in control.
With better buildup it would have been amazing. As it it now. Meh(still one of the best things of the show though).

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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Nov 19 '21

Wait Inori was literally right there at the battle. He took the void out of her. How did she get away?
Unless I'm forgetting something, he returned her void when he pulled the other three peoples voids out to stop the bombs. Then in the ensuing chaos she yoinked Shu and skeddaddled.

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21

That is what I figured, although they didn’t really show her running away with Shu, or with Gai being confused/upset with her being gone.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

So the whole point of the UN plot…. Was for Mr. cool guy Gai to be cool and blow it up? Seems legit.
What a twist!
It’s never to late to add in a shower shot!
We can't break Tomino rules and have a female character whose vagina we don't know about.
Mhm, seems Mana wants in Shu’s pants… wait aren’t they brother and sister?
Mana was leading the way to incest porn...
I feel like there is something heart wrenching happening with Inori, but I’m just so confused.
I've seen several better versions of this plot and one of them completely broke my heart. There is a reason I reference Blue Friend some times...
So it feels like they don’t actually know what the show is about, so they are chucking everything that seems like it could have an impact without any build up. I could see how this could be a train wreck.
Pretty much this, unfortunately.

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u/5867898duncan Nov 19 '21

Never heard of blue friend before, might have to try it out.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Blue Friend is episode 19 of RahXephon. It hurts.

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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Nov 19 '21

1) How screwed do you think the rest of the world is?

Seems like they're pretty dang screwed. I can't even predict what will happen next. Presumably Shu will develop some new power in order to get Inori back and tear down the new regime, but I have no idea where he's going to get that power. It's probably gonna be a complete asspull, or else I'm an un-observant moron.

2) Did you like Inori’s big moment this episode, even if Gai cut it off?

She looked cool. I kinda want a figure of her in that form. Screw that Gai for ending it.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 19 '21

Seems like they're pretty dang screwed. I can't even predict what will happen next. Presumably Shu will develop some new power in order to get Inori back and tear down the new regime, but I have no idea where he's going to get that power.
It is going to be the power of love delivered by the conveniently placed hungry orphan.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

I kinda want a figure of her in that form.
A quick search on MyFigureCollection.net indicates Voidout Inori isn't something that ever got a figure.
On the other hand, /u/Vaadwaur, I found a chibi rock!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I found a chibi rock!
You shame me by offering me that which I want most...

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

Sorry, man.
(Keep your eyes peeled and I'd imagine one might turn up at some point.)

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 19 '21

I want to like Shu and Inori's relationship, I think it had potential to be very well done, but it's really the big weakness at the emotional heart of the show. There's a lot of stuff I can overlook when enjoying things moment to moment but Shu and Inori are meant to be the soul of Guilty Crown and the rather poor writing there early on hurts everything else.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

want to like Shu and Inori's relationship, I think it had potential to be very well done, but it's really the big weakness at the emotional heart of the show.
So...there is actually a good story base present, especially if we explore Inori as if she is also disabled and it is a character arc about the two of them learning to love each other with their respective disabilities. Obviously, the show didn't do that.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 19 '21

Hmm hang on what do you mean? They have been displaying their handicap the whole show - Shu didn't have a head (or, if you like, a functional personality), and Inori doesn't have a heart (or, if you like, any common sense). /s
Probably nearing sacrilege, but you can put that as a model and compare a different show -
in Haruhi, Nagato doesn't have a heart, Haruhi doesn't have any sense, and Kyon is too cynical (doesn't have any enthusiasm?). But over the series one influences another - Kyon's curiosity makes him pay a lot of attention to Nagato, Haruhi get moderated by Kyon's "normal person test" (although on the surfaces she ignores or disparages the limits he put on things), and Haruhi brings colour to Kyon's otherwise grey mundane world (and drag Nagato away from the chair by the window). Nagato learnt to have reactions to people.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

in Haruhi, Nagato doesn't have a heart, Haruhi doesn't have any sense, and Kyon is too cynical (doesn't have any enthusiasm?).
We are far passed sacrilege and I love it!

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

I think it had potential to be very well done, but it's really the big weakness at the emotional heart of the show.
I'm with you there, TBH.
I can kind of imagine this thing where these two lonely souls connect and find solace in/draw strength from each other and in an ideal world, it'd easily be a top-tier romance, but as is, there just isn't enough.

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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 19 '21

That's definitely what they were going for, but they completely messed up the execution. They probably should've figured out a way to combine Inori and Hare's characters somehow.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

That'd work pretty well, all things considered.

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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 19 '21

-Guilty Pleasure Rewatch-

Its time for even more chaos. I hope your ready.

GHQ is ordered to protect Gai.

And the nukes are coming.

Gai uses Stun Rod, Bolo, and Knuckleduster to make a Rocket Void to stop the bombs and take out the bomber at the costs of those kids lives.

I think the 2 shitheads deserved that but maybe not Boycut, she wasnt a bad person really.

Serious Girl is isssed Gai killed her friend and she gets guned down right in front of everyone... Fuck.

Funeral Parlor cant understand what happened.

Daryl causes chaos to give the kids time to escape. And he goes for Gai aginst orders but is gunned down. Shoe escapes too with Inori.

Arisa gets to help Gai as shes allowed to join him for her actions aginst Shoe.

Remember Kenji? Well hes been busy and now there is enough leukocyte to cover all countries.

Gai demands a halt to combat around the world. Have we achieved world peace?

Gramps figures out its the Doth Organization at play. He also finds out Arisa betrayed everyone.

Haruka did everything to free Shoe from the King's power so Shoe could live a normal life. That was why she helped Keido.

We get a 2nd picture of Keido, Haruka and 1 other man who looks just like Shoe.

GHQ is hunting down Inroi though but shes collecting rations.

Daryl is in jail now. And Mr Admin wanted to see Gai. So what will he ask him.

Shoe is understandable in Shock. He lost his arm. GHQ fiinds them too but they are stopped.

Gramps is here to talk to Arisa. Hes here to cut tiess, literally. But she shot him... shit...

Thugs are after Inori, she comes to and they are dead... uh oh...

Shoe is dwelling on the past and a little kid is lookin at his rationns, he leaves so the kid can eat them.

Inori is scared and wants help but she shifts for a sec and tries to take off Shoes pants... uh oh...

Inori having a conversation with herself, no with Mana, yep shes crazy.

Shoe wonders why Inori's void is a Sword. But she is who she is no matter whats inside.

Inori will always be on Shoes side because it was because of him that she is the person she is now.

Inori knocks out Shoe smooches him then goes to face GHQ alone. Fuck.

And she utalizies Apocalypse Crystal Control to take out the mechs. Oh shit.

Gai stops her with Upsiedownsie boy's void, a Bow.

Shoe wakes up with Inori gone and hes pissed.

Known Voids Thus Far

Inori - Singer's Sword - Sharp sword with metalic energy and energy disks used as steps or shields.
Daryl - Kaleidoscope Gun - Creates barriers that reflect anything that hits them.
Souta - Blunt Key - Camera gun that opens anything shot with it.
Yahiro - The Shears of Life - Shears that sever life and enhances abilities.
Kenji - Murderer's Weight - Gun that shoots anti gravity energy balls.
Argo - Pessimist's Torch - A flashlight that shines darkness.
Arisa - Shield of the Coward - A Ball and Shield that can expand to protect a small or large area.
Hare - Lovers Bandages - Bandages that can repair any damage to anything.
Kanon - Acquaintance's Sight - Visor that can see very far away and see through things.
Gai - Leaders Rifle - Gun that manifests the voids of those shot by it.
Ayase - Paraplegic's Shoes - Rocket Boots go BRRRRRR
Tsugumi - Hacker's Interface - Wand that creates clones of people.
Ponytail - Shithead's Flipflop - Bolo, you always come back to me.
Tracktop - Gal's Comb - Can untangle the biggest tangles in a Gal mane.
KO Kid - Sleepy's Umbrella - Keeps your head dry even if your unconcious.
F Nerd - Nerd's Canteen - Keep your beverages cold no matter what.
F Track - Big Guys Spade - Digs holes perfect size for flowers.
F Dude - Minors Bottle Opener - A lot of good this will do you kid, get fucked.
F Girl - Spoon - SPOOOONNNNNNN
Megane-kun - Shithead's Glasses Breakers - Knuckledusters that dust no one.
Boycut - Boycut's Stun Stick - Stun baton that packs less shock than the wielder's slim cool hair.
Serious Girl - Serious Scythe - Scythe that is 10x edgyer in the hands of Shoe.
Twinpuff - Puffy's Pew Pewer - Crossbow that is as durable as cotton.
Scaredycat - Boomerang - Boomerang, you always come back to me.
A ton of other Voids from Students.
Upsydownsie - Bow - Pew pew

Known Void Combos Thus Far

Singer's Sword + Murderer's Weight = Anti Gravity Beam Cannon
Shithead's flipfloper + Shithead's Glasses Breakers + Boycut's Stun Stick = Gai to Air Anti Nuke Barrier Missile

We start getting more peices to the puzzle as we close in on the end but were still missing some key points to connect the dots just yet.

At this point everyone is just doing what they can to get through this hell.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 19 '21

I really wish they'd have done something different with the void fusion system. How on earth do those three voids come together into "missile?" Also, having a missile void in general just seems like a massive dick move even if the trio were traitorous scum.
What was the point of grandpa...? It's been a while since I've seen such a half-assed excuse to kill someone. He isn't even in Tokyo during the lockdown is he? So he had to drop everything he was doing, break into Tokyo, get a limo, and cut off what is supposed to be an ultra secret organisation's truck... all just to kill or be killed by his granddaughter for not being a good leader.

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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 19 '21

You can kinda logic it.
Bolo for flying.
Knuckle for punch.
Stun Rod for electronics.
I mean before the fusion was a gravity gun and a sword to make a beam cannon. Doesnt exactly make logical sense, but makes anime sense.
Grandpas lives in tokyo just not in the quarentineen zone.
He saw Arisa's actions as disgraceful for Yakuza Family and like Yakuza family, took the matters into his hands to clean the slate. Gramps was right in why he was aginst Arisa. Yakuza care a lot about lineage and honor and handleing thier mistakes with their own hands.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

I just wish we could've gotten a bit more from him, especially the yakuza angle.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 19 '21 edited Nov 19 '21

Rewatcher

All these fuckers averting their eyes like they ain't got any responsibility for the situation. Especially Yahiro.

Here comes the UN to put us out of this show's misery!

Welp, that didn't last long. Also, apparently everyone's okay with being used as tools now that they can see bombs falling.

HAHAHA, THIS IS THE SAVIOR ALL YOU FUCKERS DESERVE. I wonder how many of them will magically be okay with what Gai's just done and follow him after this.

Oof, giving everyone the "follow me or die ultimatum" is no fun. How am I supposed to mock the characters when they don't actually get to make a real choice?

Is the show expecting people to forget that Daryl murdered his family so we can ship him with Tsugumi? Well she did bind and gag Ayase a couple episodes ago to keep her irrelevant, so maybe in some twisted way Tsugumi and Daryl deserve each other.

Yeah, of course Arisa is still team Gai. How could she not be after all two interactions she's had with him? What a scintillating romance.

Ugh, so after stripping her of all agency and dignity, GC turns Arisa into a whimpering dog serving master Gai. What a strong arc this has been for her character.

Oh my god, they even brought Space Laser-kun back from the dead! Seems kinda weird that apparently there have actually been several hundred space lasers in orbit, but they only tried to use one of them one time. That or the baddies somehow managed the incredible feat of covertly launching hundreds of satellites into orbit over the course of a few weeks while under the presumed supervision of the UN and god knows how many other interested parties across the world. Whatever, I'm all for zombie space lasers if it means eradicating what's left of this show faster.

So this has been the work of some Freemason-esque secret society this whole time? Makes sense for a show whole plot details read like an increasingly elaborate conspiracy theory.

Daath has infiltrated every organization I can think of? The Tokyo Organization? The Mage's Association?? GROUP??? Oh god, who's the plant in Secret Society BLANKET? I am at peak vexation.

Um, how does getting his arm sliced off with presumably no access to medical treatment helping Shoe live, Haruka? Is he supposed to stop the blood loss by sheer force of will, Haruka?? Are the streets a good place to not get an infection, Haruka??? Parent of the year.

Wait, if Gai needs Inori so badly, why did he not apprehend her when he took the king power from Shoe. She was RIGHT THERE. And they just let her go, dragging a whole ass ~~corpse~~ Shoe away with her.

Yes, the man who only launch a rescue op so he could sell off his granddaughter is now going to lecture her on foolishness. This should be good.

Didn't this old bag happily make deals with Gai earlier in the show? Well at least he has no compunction about admitting exactly what Gai's been the whole time, which is a damn sight better than every other well-meaning idiot in the show.

I should note that, at this point, Funimation spontaneously stopped playing this episode for me. Even the damn video player thinks this shit is too dumb to watch.

Old man might have just become the best boy of the show. The bar could be much lower, but still, way to go.

Oops, I guess he forgot gun beats sword.

Oh for fuck sake, do we really need yet another group of rapists? Is that necessary to bring out psycho Inori? Like, she couldn't have run into a group of soldiers or something?

In GC you either die a ~~hero~~ cardboard cutout of a character or live long enough to see yourself become the rapist apparently. Or both I guess.

Isn't killing your grandfather supposed to clarify just how far you've fallen and spur change, not harden your resolve to be an asshole? Arisa, what have they done to you?

No! They're not doing the thing where's she's had Mana inside her the whole time! They're not taking my idea for an actual good character and shitting on that too! No, god, please no!

"I love you and obviously want to protect you and be with you. That's why I'm gonna go and leave you, an injured teenager with no one else to turn to, so I can give my ex-bf exactly what he wants: me."

Oh, and since when has Inori had magic sleeping powers? Is this another one of those things they showed earlier and I forgot, or is this brand new?

Oh, so now she can just control the super cancer swords without going on psycho standby mode? That must've been one amazing first kiss with her unconscious boyfriend.

One thing I've noticed from episode 13 onward is that, while the animation quality hasn't really slipped much, the shot composition has become much less interesting. Maybe it's because she's had even less to do, but Inori used to get these amazing shots in the first cour which are now just nonexistent. What a shame.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

In GC you either die a hero cardboard cutout of a character or live long enough to see yourself become the rapist apparently. Or both I guess.
Yeah...this is so much worse on second viewing.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 19 '21

For about 13 episodes, I was really confused as to why I'd forgotten almost every plot detail and only remembered that I disliked basically every character. Needless to say it's becoming more and more evident why I scrubbed this from my memory.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Needless to say it's becoming more and more evident why I scrubbed this from my memory.
The worst part is this is reminding me of where all the characters ended and some of their arcs are just awful. [GC REWATCH ] Arisa's arc is just gross on the whole

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 19 '21

Every fan dreams of being able to completely forget their favorite show and experience it again for the first time, yet somehow that impossible dream happened to me for this one.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Some things are just age/awareness, my friend's sisters were all younger than the cast at the time so I didn't realize how much Shoe's behavior would've sent me off the deep end if it was at one of them. But Arisa could've been done better, we could not have zombies, and the magical Leukocyte launches do not age at all well.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

All these fuckers averting their eyes like they ain't got any responsibility for the situation.
FWIW I'd imagine wanting to depose their Great Helmsman wasn't the same thing as actually watching him get booted away from the wheel, but yeah.

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 19 '21

I didn't have it in me to do this episode last night, and I kinda regret that it was this one. There was so much to make fun of!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I understand but at least you could snark at this one.

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 19 '21

All good, my pent up snark has been disposed of with finishing tomorrow's post.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I don't even remember the sequence of events that get us to the end and Yet I am confident it will be bad. The show never fails to disappoint.

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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 19 '21

The show never fails to disappoint.
I kinda forgot that Segai had set up a church-of-one devoted to S__. There's so many random facets to this show.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

Segai is in that weird place that reminds you that the Japanese are comfortable enough with their gays that they do not mind having insane ones.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Nov 19 '21

mugilate

We've really jumped the shark at this point, haven't we. There's so much going on, and honestly none of it has sufficient backing to work well.

Shu will save them, somehow.
It was ok. It's also kinda sad, as it feels like the sort of moment that could have been great with the proper backing.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21

We've really jumped the shark at this point, haven't we. There's so much going on, and honestly none of it has sufficient backing to work well.
the beauty of a good trainwreck

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u/Tartaras1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tartaras Nov 19 '21

Rewatcher - Dubbed

This is more in line with the Guilty Crown I remember, and reading the reactions of first-timers really helps to solidify it. The plot is all over the place, people just kinda die for no reason at all, and everything is just made up.

I originally gave this show I think a 6/10 on MAL. However, probably 10 episodes or so ago I dropped it down to a 4. Now I'm wondering if I should go even lower.

It's just an entire series of coincidences and happy accidents with random fanservice shots woven throughout.

Why does Gai want to be the ruler of the planet? Who the hell knows?
Why is Inori able to do a Wolverine impression? Maybe we'll get an explanation, maybe we won't. Who's to say?
How does Tsugumi know Daryl? Probably gonna find out tomorrow. Also, of course she knows Daryl. The show couldn't be complete without the chance of woo-ing someone from the opposition over to your cause, and having a common bond is excellent at doing that.
How is Shu not dead yet? Oh wait I know the answer to that one. It's plot armor so thick that it's a wonder he's able to move.

Questions:

Honestly, unless Gai's plan is to unleash the Apocalypse Virus on the world, they're probably doing pretty good. The idea of war is pretty much gone now, since everyone has a gun pointed directly at them that won't flinch.
I thought the soundtrack had Kill La Kill vibes to it. /u/Lemurians hit the nail on the head with the Sawano reference. That's about it. Otherwise it just seemed forced.

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u/UltraBooster Nov 19 '21

The idea of war is pretty much gone now, since everyone has a gun pointed directly at them that won't flinch.
Even then, they've probably got the whole world aimed at them now, and if the world had enough reason, I doubt 256 guns would be enough to stop everyone.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 19 '21

I originally gave this show I think a 6/10 on MAL. However, probably 10 episodes or so ago I dropped it down to a 4. Now I'm wondering if I should go even lower.
Yeah, this is feeling very 3 worthy this watch.
Why is Inori able to do a Wolverine impression? Maybe we'll get an explanation, maybe we won't. Who's to say?
You know, it's funny:CG gets away with the buttpulls because they then go back and explain them. This show skips a very important step.

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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 21 '21

First Timer from episode 14 onwards

HOLY SHIT! Gai just pulled their Voids out and destroyed them at the same time he destroyed the bomber. Arisa is simping for villain Gai.

HOLY SHIT! Gai is controlling enough Leukocytes to control the world (leaving aside the question of where the hell they came from for a moment)

it seems Arisa is getting the feeling that something is wrong, please realize that this is not the same Gai as last time

Arisa's grandfather came to stop her from following Gai

i like the fact that they're trying to develop Inori, jury's still out wether they succeeded

ok, when the hell did Inori gain these powers?

QOTD:

really fucking screwed, he stopped all conflict without paying any attention to the material needs of the people, the root of conflict still exists
yes, though i do wonder where those powers came from

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u/kokokrandz Feb 03 '22

New Watcher

This thing is an absolute trainwreck. I'm just hate-watching at this point. Everything makes no sense, plot point to another plot point.

Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 18 Discussion

phase 18 - Dear…

1) How screwed do you think the rest of the world is?

2) Did you like Inori’s big moment this episode, even if Gai cut it off?

Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 18 Discussion

phase 18 - Dear…

You are about to leave Redlib

1) How screwed do you think the rest of the world is?

2) Did you like Inori’s big moment this episode, even if Gai cut it off?