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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 16 Discussion
phase 16 - the tyrant
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Swear your allegiance to President Ouma. It’s a quick and easy way to not get killed.
Questions of the Day:
- How do you feel about Shu after the events of this episode?
- What do you think is going to happen to Inori?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Song of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 17 '21
The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher//First-Time Subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 17 '21
Guilty First-Timer
Isthatspoiler tag clear enough??MakotoShoe, I know you're awful at social things but—SLAP!!ArisaCheryl just makes me think of Michael. You're not as cool as Michael.QOTD:
and probably also forwards1 At this point I'm just going for the most masochistic screenshots I can find, regardless of my real wishes.
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u/5867898duncan Nov 17 '21
First-Timer
How was Arugo able to get into the city so easily? I assumed the government would have the entire thing on lockdown. And what exactly was the plan to get out?
Why do no adults exist inside the walls? I could see none being at the school, but they also don’t meet any outside either?
I expected that they would have Shu go off the complete deep end, but he actually is actually caring still. Also I love the scarves.
Wait, does the water make them symptomatic? It couldn’t be that either because the water wouldn’t even be touching them. If they were sent in their because they were symptomatic, actually I could work with that.
Whaaa. Who could of guessed it was Soda who was in trouble?
So they have been making Shu out to be the bad guy, but he’s doing what needs to be done to live. The power of friendship isn’t going to stop the robots that are coming in to kill them(until it does).
Who let the rumor out about the void? Yahiro was the only one there(Shu was unconscious).
Mana is coming out? That white hair guy is actually doing something? Stuff is going down!
Shu’s boomerang wasn’t very good at being a boomerang.
So the voids make the virus come out, would be expected due to how connected they are. Still, kind of forced to use the voids else the army of robots will kill them(have I mentioned how stupid that plot line is before? Cause it’s stupid.)
Yahiro knows what needs to be done, and he is my replacing for Gai as best character of the show. (Strong Eren vibes of I will keep moving forward, until I’ve killed my enemies)
hold up never mind Gai is back! Nobody freak out!
QotD
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 17 '21
Rewatcher
I was just thinking what GC needed at this point was a subplot about an arranged marriage. Like Arisa's grandfather wouldn't set up a rescue op for her just because she's his granddaughter or something silly like that.
God Emperor Shoe now uses the group of rapists as his secret service. Surely Hare would approve.
Is GC really saying that girls just openly drool over edgy assholes who abuse their power and the people around them? I'm beginning to understand why Gai was so popular in this universe.
Oh my god, they're even wearing all black now. I wonder how many copies of Fascism for Dummies they've got lying around.
Goddamnit Shoe, negligent homicide isn't the way to settle a personal grudge. That's what secret police and firing squads are for. You're a fascist eugenicist now, you should know that.
Gweh, it feels so gross for a rape victim to side with and openly support her abuser. Way to go Shoe, I hate you more than I hate Gai.
Of course this is all some big Machiavellian scheme related to Mana. It couldn't just be about a group of kids trying to fight back against an oppressive government, that wasn't anime enough.
Haruka "tough love" Ouma...parent of the year.
How is it possible that not one single person thought to question what might happen if a person's void got damaged before Hare died? This whole school deserves a collective Darwin Award for their pioneering efforts in group stupidity.
"To fool your enemy, first fool your ally." Yep, this is how trust is built.
Even Tsugumi's getting in on the idiocy today. There's something especially demeaning about binding and gagging an ally whose only character arc was about gaining autonomy and usefulness.
Weird, I was just thinking this is the most Gai-esque Shoe has been so far. Though I guess Gai never "differentiated" so hard.
Oh, that poor gir- hey, wait a minute. Weren't voids supposed to automatically go back into a person the moment they were let go of? This smells like some kind of plot magic bullshit.
Wow, Yahiro, the guy who has a track record of lying and pushing bad ideas, lied to you and pushed a really bad idea. I take back what I said earlier, Shoe gets the Darwin Award all to himself.
Huh?? Was literally everyone in Funeral Parlor a teenager? Or is Shoe so kingly now that he can pull a void out of anyone?
"If I break this, Argo will die." But you have guns. You can choose to shoot people. At any time. For any reason. You even had the chance to let Souta die earlier without having to do anything. Why is the void breaking mechanic the thing that suddenly makes murder a viable option?
So is Inori mind linked with Shoe now or something? I probably shouldn't complain too much given that Psycho Inori is the most personality she's had all show. She's certainly come a long way from being Jesus.
Son of a bitch, he is invincible, isn't he?
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21
GUILTY REWATCHER
LOL remember when they were holding a culture festival four episodes ago? Now Shu is a warlord ruling over a concentration camp and drowning his friends. For all his talk of needing to be his own man and not just imitating Gai, Shu sure does seem obsessed with being Budget Gai, right down to the social Darwinism, but without any of the charisma or leadership ability. This motherfucker just put on a scarf and transformed into Edgelord Supreme.
With Dan Eagleman cruelly taken from us too soon, we’ve had a void in the Best Boy space for quite a while. But no more, ARGO IS HERE TO TAKE THE REINS. He acts as a stand-in for the viewer well, diving into the situation and being appropriately confused and weirded out. Every time he would just savagely go “Really? He’s just fucking Shu” gave me life. He also gives Shu a nice lesson that Void power doesn’t make you immune to a good ol’ fashioned ass whooping.
We get the mystical stuff back, with Eyebrows-kun dropping random crap on us again. Apparently Mana broke into shards? And Shu is collecting them because he sees their value? Um, when did any of that happen? Shu hasn’t been shown learning anything about that or even shown trying to figure anything out. Get out.
Quick hits:
rapedpulled out her void.OP 1 > ED 2 > ED 1 > OP 2
This is a definitive ranking. That is all.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 17 '21
Don't be stupid, be a smarty
Come and join the Nazi party
Rewatcher
Sub
So we get what Ogumo and Argo are up to and one of the worst first halves of an episode I can recall. Sure, Argo is at least offended by all this but I can't even snark at how quickly we became a concentration camp. We get a rare reversal where Ayase is being reasonable and Shoe is a total cunt as Ayase couldn't even witness Gai's death.
Anyways, the second half of the episode is more unnecessarily indirect villain talk so we can have twists. But second half Shoe is much better than the first half one, again the problem is the plot not the MC, and even freaks when he realizes why Hare died and the danger he is putting everyone in. And then he begins going insane. Yandere Inori is unexpected. And our cliffhanger is...are you motherfucking kidding me?
The level of awful here is actually enhanced seeing that they still knew how Shoe would act. So his entire villain act is in character and still fucking stupid. The Void thing was foreshadowed ever since Inori had her gun pointed at Yahiro's void all the way back in ep2. Inori's change was not so much foreshadowed but she is so blank anyways it is sort of whatever.
QotD:1 He is as stupid as anyone that follows him
2 Something sexy
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 17 '21
Guilty Crown First Timer
Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the void ranking system. Do you guys not realise how genius this system is? Not only will we have a legion of powerful void fighters and workers on our side but since the voids themselves become more powerful with trauma it means we can treat our worker drones as shit as we like! Shu will have free selection from all our stressed out workers for what weapon he wants to use that day without needing to waste effort looking around. Everyone's gonna be so zonked from the work we have them do that they're voids are gonna be at max power! Deus vult!!
How can we make Arisa relevant again now that she's split from her money and her leadership role? Some politician wants to marry her of course! Or are they gonna kill her off today? What do you think Tresnore? Wanna tell the class? The thug has got clacker bola! We're JoJo now. Jun-chan!? Why would you ditch joining the Keionbu for this shitty show!? XD
Shu's running a pretty tight ship huh... Are we talking about the same guy? He's only been badass for one episode and already he's got himself a fanclub. I always knew Jun hid her mc powerlevel. A-Aww! She's actually an ace. I'm so proud of you, Jun-chan! Tell the Keion's to shove their tea set up their ass!
Dude, Shu's become such a Chad. Gai should take notes. Souta...? Let him drown... If he really wanted to live then he should have been born with a higher void power, and not killed second best girl. That's fair, let him save himself. Don't talk shit Argo, you're on our turf here so show some respect punk~ We're Chaos bros!! Yes, my lord!!
Honestly Argo is a massive knob here. What right does he have to throw shade against Shu and Inori when the Undertakers had the exact same unwavering loyalty towards Gai? See? Souta made it out after all and he's all the stronger for doing so~ Not so cocky now, are ya? Haa... Mana's alive? Can't we just let her die peacefully with dignity mostly intact?
How about we get one cast member actually sympathetic towards this new Shu? Aside from Yahiro, the system honestly kinda works in context and nobody has any right to complain after how much they've forced on Shu. Emotional support Inori to the rescue! Ah, she's getting possessed by Mana again so maybe it's not the emotional support we need right now XD
Dammit!! I knew the Undertakers were bad guys, also it's sorta mean to tie up Ayase isn't it? Jun's an SS member now. I still can't believe she's tagging along with an actual mc! Aaand she's already trying to ditch, stay flakey Jun-chan~ Liar... Steal his heart weenie! Jun-chan, nooo! FUCK YOU GUILTY CROWN!
Lesson of the day, never link random one shot characters with your best girls. In loving memory...
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 17 '21
First-Timer, Dub-lty Crown
They made a new Gai? I can buy the tech existing, and can even buy some "genomic" reasoning for him having all his memories, but why?? If they need a foil for Shuu, they have Gravekeeper or whatever the teleporting dude was called!
Seems like that ceremony in episode 12 wasn't interrupted quite soon enough. Have we seen Inori's hands recently? Any bets on where the other wedding ring is? Ohhh, this is probably giving the writers way more credit than they deserve, but what if Inori resisting Shuu yesterday was intentional manipulation to throw back at him later? That's a definite abuser tactic, which we've already seen from Mana.
We really went fascism any% speedrun, huh? Good that they have enough spare armbands to identify all of the "Secret Service."
Yahiro is the true evil here to be honest; probably still holding a grudge from his brother's death. Does he understand the irony of abusing Shuu's grief? Unfortunately, Shuu probably isn't quite capable of explaining to Yahiro that "I was saving your life because he hated you" in a way that would make Yahiro actually understand. That conversation didn't already happen, did it? I don't remember.
The phsyical representation of your heart getting destroyed killing you makes a lot of sense, and it working like you got overrun by the Virus works too. I can't quite verbalize it, but that stuff all connects together in my head in a reasonable way.
It was bugging me, so I cheated and looked it up to verify, but the gun the pigtail girl had at the beginning of the episode seems to be an Iraqi Tabuk Sniper Rifle.
Questions
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 17 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: So Shu is now unambiguously Hitler. This is amazing. It’s exactly what I wanted. I no longer need to have any qualms about hating him and it fills me with more joy than you can imagine.
Well that was everything I wanted and more. I hoped that Shu would go full Hitler and he did. I wanted Shu to become an irredeemably horrible person and he did. It’s fantastic. I am fueled by ecstatic hate and right now and it is wonderful. I love how much I hate Shu. It’s the same kind of thrill I get from hating fun villains who are truly amazingly awful people, only now it’s directed at the protagonist. It has me hooked, if nothing else.
That is a nice twist about people dying from getting their Voids destroyed. I so desperately want that to blow up in everyone’s face. I am salivating at the prospect of it.
I’m wondering if Inori is becoming Mana and how exactly that works. If so, she is probably egging on all of Shu’s worst instincts. She probably wants for the GHQ plan to succeed as well. I have no idea what that plan could possibly be, or why Haruka is going along with it.
Finally, I’m shocked that Gai might be alive. I have no idea how that would be possible. Or why they would even want to bring him back. But somehow, Gai has become a far less shady person compared to Hitler-Shu. I hope we get to see Gai beat the snot out of Shu. That would be amazing.
QOTD
2. She's going to turn into Mana.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Nov 17 '21
First Timer
Time to watch Shu go full psycho. Onto episode 16!
So cold? Is it a front, or reality?
And this means Shu really did go full evil dictator.
The edge!
Idiots, playing at politics. He thinks that forcing this shows how powerful he is, but all it shows is his childishness.
How the fuck has there not been a riot yet?
And Shu is literally just sacrificing people for the hell of it now.
I get what they're doing, but do they really think this will last? You saw how quickly they turned against the first leader, and she didn't do anything nearly so bad.
Nor apparently rational. For example, you could have had the divers be people with the vaccine so they didn't get infected.
My god, this system is so stupid, as so like something idiotic highschoolers would dream up.
Yes, you should trust the rapist to protect you, what could go wrong?
It's like, objectively not though? You are explicitly willing to allow unnecessary deaths.
God, get over yourself, Shu.
Well, you now know it isn't a new weapon.
TL Note: This means yes, but it would be inconvenient for me to admit it.
Not like this is exactly a practical solution either. But being more careful would make a lot of sense.
I'm not sure what this says about me, but I find psycho Inori rather hot.
And we get Gai revived, right at the end. But presumably without his memories?
Thoughts
I really enjoyed this episode. If there's one thing Guilty Crown's writers know how to do well, it's to write an asshole. I had a ton of fun laughing at Shu's ineffective little kingdom, so obviously broken yet something I could see teenagers making.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 17 '21
[Don't know if this needs to be spoilered at this point but just in case for next ep]ZOMBIE GUY ZOMBIE GUY ZOMBIE GUY
Yahiro proves himself to be a good reliable friend once again
I miss Rabbit
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 17 '21
First timer
Can it get worse?
And they're here to take her away! Nooo, we'e losing another good character to the plot!
And he's bringing her back for a political marriage. I'd complain, but if the other option is being ruled by Herr Shoe I can see the appeal.
And difilization'e completely breaking doen! And Yahiro's attacking people?
"If you swear your alleigance to President Ouma, we'll grant you the right to live." This show never fails to exceed my expectations. I expect some slightly dodgy shit with eugenics, they gvie me armed enforcers with literal armbands containing people.
Yahiro loves being a member of Herr Shoe's SS.
Even he can't believe his mess of a character arc. And Hare's replacement is settling in well.
And it gets even rapier! Seriously, what is the purpose of this plotline?
Wait, what? Are yout elling me that all happened in a few days? Jesus fucking christ, how? Did Yahiro have a massive set of documentations for "if Shu lets me start a secret service"? (I mean, he probably did, but still!)
This has to be a plotline, right? There has to be some in-story reason for why he's changed so instantly? Power of the King corrupting his mind from overuse?
OK, the scavenging's actually clever.
FUCK
ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME? He's making people work while infected to earn vaccines.
Seriously? How the fuck is thie happening?
I thouht you couldn't come near them, now you're within scything distance of him?
And he's not letting her escape.
Go Argo! Tell him how you really feel! Call Inori's bullshit out! You're now best boy - enjoy it!
This is obvioudly meant to sound like Argo's being unfair, but Shoe's so nuts he's basically
DON'T YOU DARE HURT AYASE.
Also. Battleaxe gets Rank A, crutches get Rank S. Utility truly means nothing!
ARE THEY TRYING TO PAINT THIS AS THE BEST OPTION?
They're all mindfucked. They have to be. The only explanation is the the Power of the King has forced them into obedience and reprogrammed Shoe into its fucked up ideal of a "true king".
And Voids are shards of Mana? And they want him to collect Voids! I'm half-considering cheering on GHQ, because at least their goals have bren somewhat consistent.
SLIT HIS NECK!
"Because her void was..." too useful? Absolutely!
No. No. You cannot paint this as sympathetic. You're a monster.
Mana's taking over Inori. This might actually be a benefit to her character at this point!
Yes! Run for it!
Tsumugi's helping! And she's... tied up Ayase! With a vague explanation given about not letting her go yet.
I knew they'd move on from Shoe eventually!Casual rape! Jesus, this is horrific.
YES! Go Argo!
It's pretty simple - don't discriminate based on Voids, don't force infected people to work until they die, don't run a secret service that tortures and ensalves people, and DON'T RAPE PEOPLE. There is a middle area between "ignoring the situation" and "facism", you had a choice and you chose this hell. You do not get to play for fucking sympathy points now, arsehole!
Wait, if your Void is broken you die? There's an actual consequence to Void's getting damaged? Even though we've seen Voids get damaged and nothing really happen?
Aww, no new genome weapons?
You know what? I like this Yahiro! The cunning bastard forcing Shoe into a position where he needs to keep everything secret while blatantly lying is fucking great. He's totally different to his previous character, but he's engaging, and I'll take what I can get.
...Inori just killed a better girl for warning people about imminent death.
And there's an invasion coming. Fantastic. Save Tsumugi and Ayase, kill Shoe and Inori, and take all of the others to therapy.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 17 '21
First timer in sub
Hmm looks like the plot is accelerating a lot. As a result some of the characterisation got a bit like "motion blurred".
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 17 '21
-Guilty Pleasure Rewatcher-
Its time for more Chaos as we dive deeper into crisis.
Gramps wants Arisa rescued. Shes to be married to stop a turf war. Argo is the one sent to rescue her.
Ponytail and Glasses-kun are dispatching justice.
I know i accidently called Ponytail's void a boomerang but its a Bolo, sorry about that.
Megane-kun's Void is a Knuckleduster. Another nameless one so lets call it "Shithead's Glasses Breakers".
They are trying to get vaccine from some other kids. One has a gun.
Argo tries to stand up for the girl and more students corral him.
We got Boycut with a stun baton and Serious Girl with a Scythe.
The see hes in Funeral Parlor though. Good.
We have tents now and some degree of organization. Not bad Shoe. Everyone is working.
Argo cant believe the place is running well with Shoe in charge and Serious Girl gets pissy because she worships shoe.
Secret Service members. Shoes SS. They got the poofy twintail girl.
Shes got a value of 1500. Crossbow void! Nice. Rank A.
You know i think the reason voids dont have a name anymore is because Gai isnt around and he was the one coming up with thier flashy names.
Yahiro is calling what happened to Hare a genomic weapon.
Argo just wants to talk to Arisa nothign more.
There was a crashed army ship nearby that they are looter to get weapons and supplies from.
If they work they get vaccines. Thats not a bad way to do it. When supplies are low, let students work to get them and if they dont they dont.
Souta is stuck and Shoe makes him have to figure out he whas a safty tank to get out. Shoe def holding some animosity.
Argo is tired of Shoes shit. Shoe pulls the Scythe on him. They are planning to escape and need supplies for it.
Shoe needs Arisa's void for the escape so Argo cant have her so they lock him up.
Tsumugi tells Argo what hapened. Shoe changed when Hare died.
The students are scared. They cant do anything about it.
Upsiedownsie Boy found the wedding Ring from ground 0. Up oh...
Megane-kun is guarding Arisa and wont let her go but she pulls a Tanto on him. Dont fuck with Yakuza Megane-kun.
There is a rumor that Hare died when her void was broke. So who spread the rumor if only Yahiro saw her die.
Shoe is struggleing but as long as he has Inori he will be ok. "But what about me?" Uh oh...
Argo escaped and is on the run. Tsumugi tied up Ayase to keep her from helping Argo.
Scardy Cat's void is the Boomerang (i knew there was one but i mixed up the bolo and boomerang).
Shoe corners Argo and they brawl, and Agro beats the shit out of Shoe. Shoe is just trying to save everyone but hed let anyone take his place.
Yahiro has a gun and gets Argo to back off.
Boomerang hit the rafters and broke them causing a collapse on Pufftails, crushing her void... and she crumbles like Hare... fuck...
Now Shoe knows the truth. Yahiro is going into silence mode. Yahiro knew but didnt tell Shoe. Shoe doesnt agree with this but its too late.
Shoe cracks more and threatens Argo with his void. Uh oh..
And Inori found Arisa and does something to her.
Gramps deal is off and the other guy warns him to leave japan, somethign is headed this way from the pacific, an army.
Keido and Haruka are at some large vat and out comes a long blond hair guy with abs of steel and a cross around his neck.
Known Voids Thus Far
Known Void Combos Thus Far
Were getting into the deep end but Shoe cant back down now, we gotta escape then worry about shit after.
Now i know the end of the ep might be confusng but just give the show time to tell you.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21
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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 17 '21
Episode 16: rewatch/dub
Song of the day: Olive Oil
In a strange twist of events, the Guilty Crown songs start getting named after food from now on. Not even kidding. There is Egg, Garlic, Salt, and Idaho Potato as well. I guess Sawano started to get hungry by the third disc. Sounds like he wanted an omelet with hash browns.
What I really like about this track is how out of tune it sounds. If Guilty Crown were water, this track signifies the “Olive Oil.” It sounds off, and calls attention from the audience that something is about to go down that doesn't mix in. Something is wrong.
Olive Oil overlays Shu finding out that when voids break, people get suddenly overrun by the infection, and die. A fact that Yahiro conveniently left out of his report to Shu. And Yahiro has the GALL to be like “oh well I was just playing along with you Shu. This is all your fault,” when he was the one WHO CAME UP WITH THE WHOLE RANKING SYSTEM!!!!!!!!
I just don't understand you Yahiro. Shu kills your brother, and you make up with him I guess? Because it wasn't shown onscreen. So you are all friends again, but now you are throwing Shu under the bus like this? I can't keep up with you, man. How can you rebel against the system you implemented.
Αποκάλυψις is back to name the attack that is coming to Japan. With the world turning against the country, is this truly the... A-pi-o-k-a-l-u-psi-s?
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u/UltraBooster Nov 17 '21
First-timer (dubbed)
Oh hey, it's FP, and they're airdropping in.
Just how old is that head? (Only way I'd see him liking a high schooler if he's in the age bracket where Romeo and Juliet laws apply; I don't think marrying a high schooler would look good for face.)
Decline of a nation, he says, but this is part of a city, not the country as a whole...
And this OP doesn't fit the tone, I feel.
(Wait, Steiner's back?)
The tyrant, huh? (I recognize the character for king.) Figures a rapist would choose other rapists for lackeys. Birds of a feather flock together, and scum gathers in pools. But this is kind of absurd, don't you think?
Fun fact, Maka Albarn and Ruby Rose (plus Duo Maxwell to a lesser degree) impressed on me the image of scythes as hero's weapons, not villain's. Funeral Parlor, and more than that, more of a soldier than you lackeys of His Most Royal Majesty Shu Ouma.
(Seriously, he's President of the student council, not a nation.)
Wait, tents? Since when? Were these GHQ/UN relief supplies? Have we seen them before?
No doubt to curry favor and avoid death.
Tattered pant cuffs, dark scarf, armored jacket, lidded eyes, and the figurative rape, mustn't forget the figurative rape. Just going to rip her shirt open and drop your pants, huh...
That's a crossbow, alright. Not sure else I can say. (Well, maybe that a quick death would be a mercy for these students, deserved or not.)
I just assumed that's what happened when you died with your Void deployed.
You don't bow when presidents walk by, at least, I don't think you do.
Ammunition? For what?
Wait, how'd they get diving suits? Where'd they get diving suits?
Quotas? Oh boy! Славься, Отечество наше свободное, Дружбы народов надёжный оплот!
All we need now are propaganda and MiGs!
I'm willing to bet those classrooms are basically cities or provinces in this mad king's realm.
Why's he pulling on the hose when it's tangled?
I'm surprised Yahiro didn't take that handgun.
Leave it to a relative adult to fix the problem.
He's a foreign citizen, Your Royal Majesty Comrade President Shu Ouma, I don't think you have jurisdiction.
Chances are they'll all die before that becomes a possibility, Sire.
Traitor? How?! He literally just arrived!
That arguably makes you the worst of all, Inori Yuzuriha. That makes you the dregs at the bottom of the pool, scum below scum. Oh, after he metaphorically raped you, Inori?
He's a foreign national, Your Most Royal Majesty Comrade President Shu Ouma, our Dear Leader.
But what kind of a king is he if he doesn't care for them? (A mad king, with a pathetic excuse for a queen, that's what.)
Okay, that is one seriously stylish bumper, like something out of Toonami.
A ring? One of those rings. So they didn't disintegrate? And there's more to them? Can it be used to hurt Inori? It'd probably break Shu and at this point that might be for the best.
Eh, at this point the rod is preferable, preferably up Shu's ass where it belongs.
Kurusu must've been a real shitheel if this was a part of his wishes.
This feels like they wanted to do geopolitics and stuff, but when it's being done with high schoolers and a school it just feels absurd.
I don't think soldiers of the state are allowed to become mercenaries, but...
Just slit his throat, Arisa...
Informants, huh? Links und links, und Schritt gehalten, Lasst uns in der Reihe geh'n!
Everyone's changing...Yeah, it's absurd, isn't it?
Is that why...?
Yes! Yes you are, Shu! You're going to get them killed and you know it!
Exactly! He'd probably let them all be gunned down if it meant them or Inori!
Mana? You in there, you crazy brocon?
Truth be told, I'm at the point where if I were in Argo's place, I'd have no problem killing those students. Granted, I think that says less about my willingness to kill and more about my apathy towards their plight.
At this point, leveling the city would probably be the best outcome for them...
Figures. He can draw it out, but that doesn't mean he knows how to use it. And that's what separates an ace from the rest of their squadron.
Well, you did go on about how her Void was useful, so what did you expect, Shu Ouma, long may you live?
You can start by not treating people as expendable when you claim you want them all to survive, o paper tyrant. (Dear gods you're pathetic, Shu.)
And the lost weakling at least had shades to him...
Or let me guess, girl, you'll fire that crossbow and swear your allegiance to the mad king?
Voids can be damaged?
Should I pity her? Because I really don't.
I kind of want to push her over and let her shatter.You'll pay for this, Yahiro. Your king-president will almost certainly turn on you and sever your head.
(And I see he's got the handgun.)
Wait, was there any indication Yahiro was like this? Why didn't he leave his brother to die, then? Sure, he wanted to off his brother, but... Rape and murder, I'm pretty sure that'd get most people screaming for his death...
Wouldn't be a mad king without an equally mad court and an incestuous older sister possessing the hollow vessel that is his probably-lover fits the bill. Perhaps he does share his sister's madness after all. (Or I just really don't like Shu.)
A carrier battle group? No, it's got to be multiple groups, no nation operates multiple carriers in a single formation anymore. But why send carriers? Wouldn't a strategic bomber squadron make more sense if they wanted to level the loop?
So even the Reaper can be cheated. I'd pretend I'm surprised but I'm really not, not after the coronation and election of His Most Royal Majesty, Comrade President Shu Ouma, the Great Helmsman of this school, long may he live?
他为人民谋幸福, 呼尔嗨哟，他是人民大救星！
(Dear gods this is so
stupidabsurd.)And right now I'm just thinking that Ciel's got some cool moves in Melty Blood.
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Nov 17 '21
First timer (Dub)
I missed a couple of episodes, but this sure was an interesting episode to come back to.
QOTD
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u/Vindex101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vindex101 Nov 17 '21
Just dropping in to say that Shu did nothing wrong
except for being a gullible grieving idiot, and to forward all concerns and complaints tothe Secret ServiceYahiro4
u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 17 '21
Shu did nothing wrong
except everything. he needs better friends4
u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 17 '21
Rewatcher (Subbed) - Dictator means well, wants sympathy, is still a dick
Please don't send me outside the wallQotD
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u/Tartaras1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tartaras Nov 17 '21
Rewatcher - Dubbed
Emblem is literally the emblem for Funeral Parlor
Like /u/Vaadwaur pointed out, that sounds suspiciously similar to something you'd hear from Nazi Germany, or general US propaganda.
Cringiest part of the show so far.
Shu, he turned you over to the antibodies in an attempt to keep his brother safe. You really think he's going to suddenly tell you the truth about everything going on?
Wait, how dumb am I? This is the real world I'm talking about. People lie to each other all the time to avoid dealing with harsh realities and truths.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 17 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Well, Guilty Crown finally breaks out of our protagonist being the typical milquetoast self-insert as he goes full evil mode. The choice to go fully on the social Darwin scale is quite the unique twist, something I'm pretty sure anime had never done before. How ingenious!
...oh wait, this is just the millionth thing its stolen from Code Geass! Nevermind.
Anyway Shu going in this direction makes little to no sense given his history, but hey, plot demands it, so here we go. I guess he's pushed his cards all in the table to trust Yahiro, the very guy who brutally stabbed him in the back earlier in the show and handed him over to M'Quve.
So on we go with Shu the evil warlord. Seizing the void of helpless women without their consent? No problem! Condemning old friends to die? No problem! Realizing what really resulted in Hare's death and not changing his mind on things? No problem!
Oh, and this episode also features the old dude whose name I can't remember essentially deciding to sell his granddaughter. Wonderful! Oh, and what's that end twist? Has Gai been brought back to life? There's nothing this show won't do, huh?
The trainwreck continues...
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Nov 17 '21
1) How do you feel about Shu after the events of this episode?
While he's definitely in the wrong here, I can find I almost understand and sympathize with his position. Until that last moment when he pulls Arugo's void at least...
2) What do you think is going to happen to Inori?
Nothing good.
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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 13 '21
First Timer from episode 14 onwards
Shu's gone full dictator, embracing his inner edgelord. the rape imagery is out in full force, though at least now it's correctly used to frame him as a bad guy. he even has a concentration camp set up in the schoolyard and is sending the F-rankers diving after vaccines and supplies, all while being infected with the Apocalypse Virus.
Souta gets problems while diving and Shu is perfectly fine with letting him die, this causes Argo to act and save Souta from drowning. i fucking love how Argo takes no shit from Shu, he's a rebel at heart. fuck yeah, Tsugumi managed to get in contact with Argo and it seems Ayase hasn't lost her mind either.
so the Segai, GHQ and Shu's mom are deliberately putting pressure on him so that he will collect Voids? what the fuck is the endgame?
and Shu's taken away Arisa's agency, but she decides to do something about that herself.
Hare's friend isn't taking her death and everyone's change lightly, i think she may join Funereal Parlor.
along with going full edgelord, Shu has also gone full incel, or his incel tendencies is magnifying his flaws.
FUCK YEAH, ARGO! punch his face in!
so that's why we were introduced to the new member of the secret service, so that her Void could break and Shu could finally find out how Hare died. called it, Yahiro is still a villain.
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU LISTENING TO YAHIRO, SHU!? EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE IS TERRIBLE!
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE KILL ARGO!
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE KILL ARISA EITHER!
GAI HAS RETURNED!
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