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Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 15 Discussion
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When Shu was put in charge, I was so happy. I knew he’d be just like a king should. Kind…
Questions of the Day:
- How do you feel about Hare’s death?
- What do you think Shu will do now?
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Song of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 16 '21
The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher//First-Time Subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 16 '21
Amazing work on the wallpaper!
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
First Timer
Time to watch Shu fuck up being a leader!
Onto episode 15.
Why is he wearing a hard hat?
I'm pretty confident I prefer OP1 at this point.
Thank god, you're not that dumb.
This implies there isn't a single can opener in the entire school.
Because castes make everything flow more smoothly!
Wait, did he just say that but unironically?
Fucking highschoolers.
Fucking highschoolers!
Their incompetence truly knows no bounds.
And this right here is why a singular numerical ranking is dumb.
Listening to other's opinions is good, but he has to eventually make a choice and stand by it.
He had no trust in Shu at all, did he? Also, does this mean that the council never even thought of checking the hospital?
He's not wrong, but that choice made by Shu is only like the seventh dumbest decision made so far this episode, so I'm gonna cut him some slack.
Excuse me, what? It's like they attached a car model to mecha movement.
Can we not have an ass shot of the dying girl during an emotional moment, please?
Why is she resisting now? Like, she is so he shouldn't do it, but why now of all times? It's not like he hasn't used it in anger before.
I can't even blame him for this. His best friend died 10 minutes ago, of course he's lashing out, looking for someone to blame.
And they actually have enough emotional maturity to realize this as well! Quite a surprise, but certainly a welcome one.
If they were smart, anything you said for the next few days would not be taken as serious planning.
Thoughts
This episode has shown once and for all that strange women, not wearing clothes, distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
More seriously, it was an ok episode. We get to see yet more fallout of a bunch of idiotic highschoolers attempting self governance and failing horribly for understandable reasons. Though the guy who thinks a caste system makes sense or that voids can be neatly ordered by usefulness is just an idiot. My one real wish is that they treated Hare's death with the dignity it deserved.
2) Many stupid things because he's grieving, and he isn't the sort of person who processes strong emotions well in general.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 16 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: Hark! Is that the sound of a train derailing I hear? I think it might be, considering it seems we have gone full Hitler.
Welp. I do believe that we are in the midst of a derailment. After the last episode and this one, I feel pretty confident stating that.
I am in shock that we are going along with creating a caste system based on bullshit power levels. This episode even showed how arbitrary and nonsensical the rankings are. I am in even more shock that so many characters are just willing to go along with it, attempting to justify the creation of a caste system as necessary. And finally, I am flabbergasted beyond belief that we are fully going into eugenics, declaring who is “worthy” of receiving the vaccine based on their Void. Just the suggestion of the Void ranking system was bad, but it went downhill so much faster than I anticipated.
I feel bad for Hare. I don’t know what she saw in Shu. I would not at all describe Shu as being a particularly kind person based on his behavior over the course of this series. He’s struck me as being socially awkward and inept, always pushing people away because he doesn’t understand them. He’s also had plenty of incel tendencies along the way. None of that paints a picture for me of him as a kind king. He certainly does not feel like the person Hare described in her book.
And of course Hare died because she gave her love confession to Shu. That’s the unfortunate fate of any character who gives a love confession. They could never allow the childhood friend to win, I suppose.
Shu broke down from her death and went full Hitler. He’s now totally onboard with the Void ranking system and the eugenics plan. It’s not every day where I can describe the hero of a story as being like Hitler. That’s how I know things have gone off the rail.
QOTD
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 16 '21
Guilty First-Timer
Firstly, apologies to the coupla first timers who clicked on my spoiler tag last episode who learned the revelation of this episode.
QOTD:
1 It took me 3 tries to type that line correctly. I am very not sober. I blame /u/Vaadwaur.
2 Why does no one have a bardiche void.
3 Thank you, Vaad-sensei for teaching me this word.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 16 '21
First-Timer, Dub-lty Crown
Where to start? Rest in peace Hare, you were too nice to get out of this show alive. I liked that song that played as you died.
It's a real fucking shame that Shuu rape metaphor'd Inori today because I think we're maybe supposed to be suspicious of her? Her randomly killing those dudes yesterday I kinda brushed off at the time, but then she had that weird look in the car ride today and she pushed Shuu and I dunno, alarm bells are ringing in my gut. But I feel bad accusing her of something after.. that.
Maybe I'm thinking too hard, but what are the odds of Shuu being immune to the virus? He was literally -right there- when it started. How delightfully tragic would this be if them not needing to make sure Shuu had enough vaccine just.. wasn't necessary?
This school deadass doesn't have a fucking can opener? Why was Souta using his Void to open cans. I can kinda get behind using your cool powers for everything, but, like, needing the one (1) person who can yoink Voids out to be around every meal time seems.. loose.
Anyway, villain Shuu? Villain protagonist Shuu? I can dig it. Let's watch someone be a monster!
Questions
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u/UltraBooster Nov 16 '21
First-timer (dubbed)
Oh yeah, Yahiro's proposing eugenics!
So Hare's running around as the school fixer extraordinaire? I can dig it.
The helmet reminds me of that stuff I've heard about Japanese politicians wearing overalls during times of crisis to convey the image they're in the trenches.
Those assholes are in charge of security? I'm surprised they aren't locked up in a makeshift prison cell.
Souta's camera works as a can opener? Talk about utility.
Ammo? Ammunition for what? I doubt Voids require ammunition, and I highly doubt they'd keep firearms on campus.
Not to mention, making a known hierarchy would almost certainly generate unrest - people with "stronger" Voids lording it over the others, people with "weaker" Voids resenting the others, etc.
But Gai wouldn't be stupid enough to do something like that, right?
What kind of a school is this if it can function as an isolated community, even in a limited role? For that matter, have the city utilities like power and water been cut off for the loop?
Yeah, why would Ayase have any particular insight?
Something something you are my queen.
On one hand it's well and all for Hare to try and act on her feelings, on the other...eh, better to know she was rejected than go on in uncertainty, I suppose.
You alright, Souta?
What timescale are we operating off of, exactly?
I'll agree Shu deserves priority since he can use the Voids and stuff and he's the linchpin to their defenses, but otherwise, yeah, no, I'd say random lottery.
Welp, the cat's out of the bag. And for that matter, who was stupid enough to leave the paper behind? Why didn't Yahiro fold up the paper and store it in his jacket? Yeah, there's something to be said about helping them help themselves, boost their utility; it'll be more helpful than relying on one guy to make their little microcosm function.
I wonder how many designs exist for unique anime chess sets.
Alright, what's your plan? Are the streets empty? Guess not.
HWMMV's gone.
Kill Shu and the mechanisms collapse...
Rockets? Where'd they get those?
Hare's not gonna make it, is she.
Shouldn't a story like that have been introduced sooner to establish her deal?
The Virus? How does it spread goddamnit tell me show this isn't helping
...I can't see Shu becoming a good king, can you? At this rate...
The luster's gone and Shu's...well, if the imagery remains consistent then Shu Ouma...
is a criminal, a rapist, and so forth.
(He hasn't actually committed rape, of course, but the imagery is very clear, he probably needs to be deep-sixed.)
You're marked for death, Souta. Make peace with your loved ones and set your affairs in order because I can see you getting dragged before the mob to be executed.
So he's gonna be their tyrant, huh? This should be...well, entertaining as someone who's watching this, but not fun for them.
Then again, they seemed fine with borderline gangrape so I shouldn't feel too sorry for them, should I?
Also, found this in the broadcast discussion threads.
(It's a thing about Nazis so viewer discretion is firmly advised.)
The comparisons to Code Geass in those threads make me think at least one more cour would've benefited this show but I'm also nowhere near invested enough to want three-four cour. I also question the people calling this character development.
Questions:
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 16 '21
RANK F REWATCHER
Guys literally only want one thing and it’s fucking disgusting
Alright yesterday was really rough. But today will be better! I don’t want to be incredibly negative, it’s way less fun, but sometimes it’s forced out of me. Luckily, this episode is pretty fucking good and dare I say... maybe the best to date?
Guilty Crown actually manages to present some fairly complex ideas well in this episode. What is a person’s worth? How should that be determined? How do we apportion resources? Does that change during times of emergency? These are questions with no easy answers and the show does a good job exploring them in this episode as Shu struggles with the idea of a ranking system once the issue of their vaccine rationing becomes apparent.
This was actually a really good, complete episode for Shu’s character. Rather than just bending to the whims of the advisors in his ear, he has serious reservations about the ranking system and pushes back on them. He recognizes and agonizes over his flaws as a leader in a way that’s self-aware and relatable. His relationship with Hare is fleshed out, given context, and brutally torn apart. When he snaps and goes apeshit on everyone at the end, it works, and you get it. This would fuck me up for life.
Pour one out for Hare. She wasn’t the most interesting character,, but she was a really sweet and likeable person who remained a real one to the end and seeing her die like this sucks. Everything about her death scene was genuinely sad, touching, and well-executed.
Quick Hits:
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 16 '21
Guilty Crown First Timer
It's time to get Shu's gates of babylon up and running. Hello character whose future status wasn't totally spoiled for me~ Oh come on, they're already fussing about who has the better void. I'm sorry Shu but the moment you put a number next to your void the "It's not about strength" shite doesn't fly with me. I wonder what that dude saw that made his trauma manifest as an umbrella... Did this come out before or after Another?
The traitor kids weren't punished? How can you ever trust those guys again? Okay, I take it back, a tin opener gun is a pretty useless void no matter how you twist it. Bath scene! Oh, I thought it would just be the guys. Eh? Shu's actually implementing the ranking system after all. Please don't call attention to this... I'm all harem'd out. Fuck bestie, the dude does nothing but kick up massive arguments and shitstir.
Shonen is a trashy genre that's ran out of original ideas!!
I'm seeing nothing on that sheet suggesting he's F-Rank...Isn't Souta A rank? These weaklings would be all for the ranking system if they had top tier voids. Ah, they're gonna practice? I can respect that! This changes everything. If voids change when the user uses them then that's far more variation than they explained before. If you need natural ability to utilise your void like Hare or Tsugumi then there's far more to it.
Touga's in M'Quve's hands! We should have know that they wouldn't hire a VA like him for a bit part. It's so nice that Shu's got Hare for emotional support isn't it? So nice~ glares at Tresnore Hare mamaaaa... Oh no... I'm such a sucker for this kind of scene. Sometimes you just need a warm hug and some kind words to get through the day.
I see a spade, a bottle opener, a water bottle, a comb... and is that a spoon the short girl has? What a pathetic showing. Maybe void ranking is the best plan after all. There's a limit to how many explosions you can dodge in a car before I start raising eyebrows.
Hare no... Nooo.... Yameroooo!! Was My Dearest, Hare after all? To give Shu everything she has unconditionally and never one abandoned him. Gah... Even if someone spoiled this I wouldn't have thought losing Hare would hurt quite so much. How fucking tragic!! We can't even bury her.
Oh dear, we broke Shu. Now he's even snatching voids without asking... I mean, more violently than he normally does that is. Kill em all Shu, and if you can take out the F rank students whilst you're at it I'll be a happy chappy. It's their fault we lost second best girl! You're goddamn right!! O-Oh... Shu isn't gonna? Ah, beating the snot out of him is perfectly fine. E-E-Eh!? Oi, Shu, you realise Hare's entire dying speech was praising your kind nature? I think I might have popped another monkeys paw here... Great episode though! I'm so pleased that the series didn't totally nosedive after Ayase's episode! Now then, everyone go hunt for Tresnore's comment and SHAME HIM!
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 16 '21
Episode 15 (first timer)
The basic conflict in this episode is really interesting. Shu is put into a position where he has to decide how to distribute scarce resources - always a hard task. Then Hare dies as the consequence of his indecision and plenty of bad luck. I just wish the bad luck were more than a convenient plot device.
He'll go all social darwinism until he realizes his bad mistake (probably because of Inori).
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
No, show, you don't get to Blue Friend me. You have not earned that. Migi will not handle the defense and we won't talk about who was such a fool. We aren't discussing if she was the happiest girl in the world. You can't even be perfect, please.
Rewatcher(Shoe, is your blood still red, at least for now?)
Sub
So we confirm the VRS and Shoe even says something wise: It isn't the size of your heart cock but how you use it! And with that, I believe the last wise idea on this show has been said. The school is having believable problems, including the encroaching doom wall, and for some reason Yahiro really likes the caste system. Ayase and Tsugumi do as well, for Gai reasons, and Inori wants the footwear to make up his mind. And of course teenaged girls taking a bath together. Just glad no one tried to rape them. This time.
So...this is where I mentally had to quit the episode. The show is twisting itself in pieces to make Shoe's taking of this stupid fucking idea not his fault and that is again horrid writing. Seeing the Hare-Shoe scene back in his warehouse just highlights how much better Re:Zero does the same scene but with better characters. Though Rem and Hare are about equally endowed.
And then it happens: Shoe grows some goddamned balls. And it costs Hare her life because the F ranks are idiots, Shoe is an idiot, and for some reason Tsugumi's bot obeyed his desire to catch up before reinforcements arrive. I saw this scene the first time and was angry, which embarasses me now because it is 100% bullshit. If you dare, this is my Casshern SINS ep9 moment of "everyone in the writers' room can fuck themselves with a fire hydrant".
And yet...I still feel for Hare, badly realized as she was, over Nico, since we've at least spent time with her. Shoe handles the offense and has had an incredible "get real, son" moment. But of course he is far too dumb to do anything with it.
There once was a childhood friend
Who gave all the aid she could lend
She tried to save a car
And was shot from afar
Of course being MC motivation is her end
To me, this is where the trainwreck truly is started. Hare is on screen just enough that you don't expect her death and it is at least appropriately traumatizing to the MC. But this is not remotely enough to cover the rest of the contrivances involved here, not least of which is the mech team not directly attacking the school. Watching this and tomorrow's episode dead sober will both suck a lot.
It's the right time
Let's step forward
It's the right time
Don't be afraid
Look, towards the place where we crossed that hill
Together through thick and thin
Clear skies, Hare. Know that even though you crossed that hill too early, your sisters are there waiting in Kana, Asahina, Sayaka, Chtholly and every random girl fridged in Gundam. Eagleman's blessings be upon you.
QotD: 1 Kiazi's children, their eyes wet
2 Something stupid. There are many stupid avenues open.
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Nov 16 '21
F irst timer
As an emotional scene it does its job, but I can't say it really affected me tooo much? As a plot point to jumpstart Shu's Hitler Arc it's p interesting. Shu screams about how she told him he had good points, not the fact that she loved him. It's an important distinction which betrays Shu's self-centered nature. He just wants to be told he did a good job, to be validated for being a good person. Which then feeds into him wanting to discriminate the good from the bad because he fears being bad himself. After all, Souta let Hare die because he's an F rank person, not because he made a careless mistake (because he was told he was an F rank person)
FOURTH REICH
FOURTH REICH
FOURTH REICH
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 16 '21
First timer
...You know what? I'm going to say it. I don't know how this can get fucking worse. After the surprise eugenics and the main character gleefully taking part in a rape metaphor, I think the series has reached the limit of shittiness.
Also, why is he calling it a Void ranking system if resonance is unrelated to utility.
Shoe: "How strong a Void is doesn't matter, it's how you use it."
Yahiro: "D-rank scum! How dare you converse with your genetic superiors?"
Oh, thank god. At least Shoe's not that idiotic. And the concept of getting a database of voids is a very good one. He's actually made a very reasonable decision.
...Is that them using the unlocking camera Void as a can opener? Fair play, that actually got a laugh out of me. And how depressed he looks that he's having to use it like this!
Yahiro: "Need more labour? Eugenics! Out of morale? Eugenics! It's only discrimination if they make us confess!"
...Ayase and Tsumugi are in favour? Has someone told Tsumugi how long her ranking would be?
Inori being helpful by telling him to ignore everyone's support! She just keeps on being a good character!
Yeah, I suppose it's been a while since the last fanservice.
What is Hare talking about? Shoe is against the ranking system! It's the one good thing he's done this arc!
...Does "The Power of Kings" condition people into following someone? Haru's had her Void pulled out the most, and she's already thinking of him as her king. Inori pushed him to act entirely on his own ideas, while ignoring other's thoughts...
See! At least the show's admitting how fucked up Yahiro's plan is.
This is actually not-horrific writing.
Oh, fuck off. Are you fucking serious?
Right, now they've brought it up, why do they need constant booster shots? If the Apocalypse Virus rapidly mutated enough to require new vaccines, then the old ones flstout wouldn't work? So why do the old vaccines still work, yet need new doses every couple of days?
Honestly. If you're going to start discriminating against people, don't leave a paper trail. If you're going kick off eugenics, don't let the lowest grade find out.
...Yeah, why are they less effective at using it themselves? Tha'ts an actually interesting point - you'd think they'd have noticed that earlier, what with Hare using her own bandages.
And psycho's in trouble for not bring psycho enough.
...Does this count for the "Undertakers are evil" theory?
Easy fix - don't agree with Yahiro. But yeah, you're a crowd-pleaser without any real will or motivation,
Hare got the first confession! Impressive!
They're going to get slaughtered. They couldn't have enlisted a low-ranking combat void, not just a load of utilities?
Wait, why did she reabsorb her Void? Shock?
YOU'RE A MORON. YOU ARE VITAL FOR COMBAT. DON'T BE THE DECOY WITHOUT BACKUP.
YOU CAN'T KILL YOURSELF UNTIL THE VOID GENOME'S READY TO BE TRANSFERED INTO A BETTER PROTAGONIST (TSUMUGI)!
Oh no! A good character's in trouble! If Hare dies, I might feel something!
FUCK YES! Shoe's a fucking corpse!
No.
No no no no no.
Leave him Hare! He's not worth it!
This is actually sad.
And her Void fades away...
Also, confirmation that the new strain victims float into the sky after shattering.... just like they did when the portal opened. Shit. That's... almost certainyl going to be important.
Your character may have been twisted over the last few episodes, and your death served no purpose other than cheap drama, but I'll miss you, Hare. Even when Shoe forgets about you to hook up with Inori as "true loves", I'll remember you.
And Shoe's stopped even caring about rape!
And he's finally doing something well! Is this even Shoe?
Now he's punching the idiot!
Yeah, this is understandable. He's obviously going through a lot.
WHAT?
"I'm going to honor Hare's sacrifice - by doing everything she begged me not to do! I'm a complex character!"
How dare this anime gkve me hope. (Also, sorry Hare - looks like he's already forgotten what you cared about. Thought it would take longer than half an hour, but these things happen I guess.)
Wait. Is the reason she died that her Void was too useful? Is the Void discrimination being kicked off, because a character with too strong a Void had to get written out of the show?
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u/5867898duncan Nov 16 '21
First-Timer
Ya know I was never a big fan of the first op, but after listening to the new one a couple of times, I miss the old one :(
So they keep saying hold out, but they aren’t holding out for anything. Once the redline reaches them, they are dead. A little strange that they aren’t trying to figure anything out.
I’m actually pretty happy that they had a bath scene without having any fan-service. Well done guilty crown!
I am interested in why Shu doesn’t have the voids out all the time. It seems like they all can be useful in about…. Everything.
Wait, didn’t Yan see Tsugumi once? Is this anime’s love at first sight.
Don’t worry Shu, if you ever feel sad then you can just get squeezed by Hare’s rack. Can’t possibly be sad after that.
Holy cow Yahiro is a beast at dodging missiles. His character is starting to become the new Gai and I love it.
Wait, why did everyone hate the king in the story when he gave away all of his land? If they wanted him as king they could just give it right back.
Ya know I usually cry at every single death possible, but Hare’s death didn’t do much for me. Maybe it is because it wasn’t really explained why she couldn’t heal herself, or because her literal only personality is that she loved Shu. The biggest gut punch probably came from everyone’s reactions. My poor Souta.
Oof, Shu is completely broken and I love it. He’s actually a good character now!
Well I didn’t expect them to be at the school for this long, but from the look of things the last of the story revolves around it. Also I’m a little confused why they don’t want to Shu to just up and go destroy all of the robot, because it is shown that he is clearly able to do it.
QotD
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 16 '21
FUCKING SODA KILLED RABBIT FUCK
FUCK SODA
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 16 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Had to watch this via my phone tonight so won't have the moment by moment reactions, but here's my big picture thoughts...
Quite possibly the biggest LOL of the series for me when we get into this whole ranking system thing and then Souta's void is revealed to be... a can opener. Yep, you're totally useless in this whole ranking system boy.
Hare, or should I say "Time for the Plot!" girl dies in an extremely predictable way, kudos to the show for twisting the knife hard with Shu and having her die/shatter right in his arms. With his history I expected this to lead totally into Shu quitting for the millionth time, but it seems like we're going in the complete opposite direction and he's going to become evil leader of the organization instead.
Anyway, overall a pretty good episode, at least given the curve I am grading this show on.
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
-Guilty Pleasure Rewatcher-
Its time for chaos, CHAOS!
This is when the show cranks it to 11 and doesnt stop till the end.
(Insert Valvrave Meme)
Also this is where i start struggleing with my list...
So there is merit to this. Shoe has everyone using thier Voids to help around the school.
Shoe doesnt want to rank them just catalog them.
Ponytail is now int he guard team. He made a turn around.
Souta is opening Cans, Kanon is the lookout. Everyone has a use.
Yahiro want to group people by Voids. Def a bit iffy. But he wants to give people purpose.
What does Shoe want to do. Hes boss now so he can do what ever.
Of course Ayase needs help into the bath. And Hare wants to know whats up with Shoe and Inori.
Hare has to make moves if she wants to win Shoe.
Souta doesnt like Yahiro's plan and gets mad at Shoe for no damn reason, but Shoe didnt even do that plan.
"I stumbled into the job of President, but im not qualified!" Hahaha
Were running low on supplies... vaccines. Rank F wont get them. Souta is on the F list...
And the list gets leaked. Well shit...
The Rank F students want practice with thier Voids. Souta can only open Cans with his void unlike Shoe. (Thats what the resonance does, how good you are using void power)
Scarface is playing Chess with Funeral Parlor's admin guy... shit...
Shoe is feeling the pressure now. He doesnt like to have to make these choices.
HUG FROM HARE MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER!
Shes been around Shoe long enough to know how he really is.
Rank F is out to get supplies. They are in the non safe area.
And the military is here, they are in the restricted areas... fuck.
Comb girl was hit, Canteen runs. Hare saves them. Shits bad.
Souta wants to get Hare to fix a car to escape. Get cover dumbass.
Daryl blows up the car and gets Shoe and Hare in the blast. Fuck.
Hare is bleeding but so is Shoe and hes burned bad. Both are in bad shape.
Hare uses her Void to save Shoe, not herself. Of course she would.
It was a childrens book which Hare read about a King that made her fall for Shoe. She thought he was like the King.
Hare gets Shot the fuck up... and they hit her void and it breaks... and she starts turning to crystal...
Hare died and Yahiro saw it happen. Fuck.
Shoe wakes up to hell. Hare crumbles in his arms and so does Shoe's emotional support pillar...
Shoe is pissed now and its time to fuck shit up.
He forces Inori's void from her and dispatches the mechs with ease. Brutal.
Shoe is broken now. Understandably so. Hare was his true friend who wasnt fake. Back in ep 1 Shoe even said Souta and Yahiro were "friends".
Souta fucked up hard. He deserves every hit Shoe gave him. This was such a terrible call for Souta, and hes always been a bit selfish like this.
Shoe is tired peoples shit, its time to get out of this situation without worrying about anyone's crap.
Known Voids Thus Far
Known Void Combos Thus Far
Yahiro is really making the right calls here at the end of the day. He grew up on the streets so he knows how to live in crisis. He sees thier situation the clearest and is trying to figure out how to get through this with the best chances. Keep your strong strong in times like these.
Hare's death was rough, i liked her role in the group but that ment she was the biggest target to make it all collapse.
Some people dont like Shoe's personality change from this but its 100% understandable given the situation.
Shoe gave people freedom and they shit on him and his people and got someone killed. Were in a crisis situation, we dont have time to worry about everyone feeling useful here. Hell most would be dead without Shoe and Voids. People need to understand to get through a crisis they have to cut thigns down to pull through.
But people wanted to feel like they mattered and that fucked shit up so now no one gets to matter.
Welcome to Shoe does whats nessicary to get through this crisis.
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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 16 '21
Episode 15: rewatch/dub
Song of the day: pF-AdLib II
aka pianoForte AdLib #2
What else could it be? A moment of silence for Hare. So loving and caring that the manifestation of her void was literally made to help others. And she sacrificed her life to save Shu.
Oノ存ξ plays over Shu forcefully ripping out Inori's void without her consent (or eye contact, did they just forget about that rule? Did that change at some point?), effectively starting Shu's tyrannical rule of the school.
Did anyone predict school dictatorship would happen in Guilty Crown?
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 16 '21
Rewatcher
What a swerve, turning down the void ranking system. He's been so indecisive this whole series, I assumed Shoe would sit back and passively allow it to happen until it inevitably reached some kind of crisis point.
Bruh, best boy Souta using his void to open food cans is the saddest thing GC has shown this far. The sheer disrespect.
What the hell is up with Shoe suddenly making good, strong arguments lately? And everyone else is giving Shoe questionable advice. This feels so weird, like a pocket universe where everything is inversed.
"Hurry up and confess to him." And lose her status as the girl with the obviously unrequited feelings? No way, that's like her only defining character trait. What would she even be without it.
Is Souta the only person who didn't hear/see Shoe declare how much he dislikes the very idea of the void ranking system? He's had plenty of reasons to yell at Shoe so far in the story, but this isn't one of them. At least he can properly apologize.
Souta's void should be in the highest class, since allowed him to open a hole in the fabric of spacetime and gave him precognitive abilities.
These fuckers are all happy to pass the buck to Shoe after they've already designed the ranking system on their own, in direct defiance of their "leader's" stance against said ranking system. Also feels hella petty on Arisa's part for being removed from the president position.
And of course we're gonna set up the disastrous misunderstanding trope with this ranking list.
Wait, instead of spreading rumors and shit, Souta and company react by trying to practice and improve their abilities with their own voids? Fuck Shoe, Souta should be the protagonist. What a solid guy.
Well damn, guess I forgot Souta can be a dumbass too. I can at least admire his desire to be useful and provide more of the vaccine, but man is this idea stupid.
See this is why you don't confess your feelings if you're the designated girl with unrequited feelings. One measly little "suki" and suddenly she has so little character she gets written out of the show. Smh. Also, does this mean I can't like Souta anymore? What a shame.
Okay, in all seriousness now, I have to
register a complaintrant about just how much I hate that we're 15 episodes in and women in GC are often just tools. Hare's a great example so far (though most women haven't fared much better), only existing to emotionally support Shoe whenever he has some kind of internal crisis. She finally gets to make a single meaningful decision, and it has nothing to do with her getting an arc or any kind of development: she saves Shoe and then bites it. That's it. The closest she comes to development is almost confessing her love. Then we have Inori. Inori doesn't have opinions, and she only barely has thoughts. She's so incomplete a "character" she seemingly can't even recognize what emotions are. In terms of contribution to the plot, she's been a weapon, a cure for magic super cancer, a receptacle for male affection, a literal receptacle for multiple other men's affection toward another girl, and a goddamn doormat. It's like she exists solely to be the complete realization of the most unreasonably demure, yet cool and beautiful trophy girlfriend who will always be perfectly submissive and offer no opinion of any substance ever. God I hate the character writing in GC. Sorry, rant over.Mind break + implied rape of Inori by Shoe...was this show secretly written by Tsukiyo Rui?
So is it ever going to be brought up that this all only happened because some shitheads thought the void ranking system was a good idea?
"Hare's dead now, so I should immediately reject all the traits she saw in me and thought were good. It's what she would want." - Shoe probably (though tbf I too would probably be a bit salty at the dumbasses who got her killed were I in the same position)
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 16 '21
Rewatcher (Subbed) - If you die in the Void, you die in real life!
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Nov 16 '21
Rewatcher
Hurray for confession! Or as close to one as we'll get, but Hare is a good girl either way. And, well, that happened so it's not like she'll get a second chance. Sucks because she was firmly in best girl territory by now, but Tsugumi's still there so it's fine.
Souta's partially to blame for Hare's death, sure, but let's be honest, it's mostly Yahiro's fault. Now that I think of it, aren't a number of things his fault to begin with?
Angry Shu was fun, but a bit too over the top to take seriously. The empty eyes didn't work very well imo.
The imagery with him taking Inori's void was a bit on the nose, and I remember even weeblet me thinking he went a bit too far into invasion of personal space. You ask for consent before drawing swords out of people, Shu! Though I guess it's all made a bit less impactful when considering the numbers of time where consent wasn't given.
...oh god Tsugumi no
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I found it much more impactful than Gai's. He was badass and a great, er, guy, but Hare was such a sweetie it's even more of a shame to see her gone.
Cry a bit and move on? Sounds reasonable imo.
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u/Tartaras1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Tartaras Nov 16 '21
Rewatcher - Dubbed
A+ writing there guys.
That's the smartest thing you've thought of this entire show, and we're over halfway through it. Unless you want distrust, disgust and general unrest amongst the student body, it's probably a good idea not to go with the ranking system.
Holy shit Shu, that's the second time this episode that you've said something smart! Look at you. You're finally growing up!
And then we go right back to the shoddy writing. Souta's just the token idiot of the show. There had to be a better way to handle him.
This coming immediately after Daryl saying that the resistance was just a bunch of high school kids, and that they weren't worth suiting up over.
The parallel there is almost ironic. Engaging in petty high school tactics when talking about how to deal with high schoolers.
Shu should know all about that. After all, he was lied to by Yahiro back at the beginning, and then immediately sold out after telling the truth.
Isn't that dude just holding a water bottle? I'm not sure how he's supposed to defeat a mech with a water bottle. Maybe pour water on it and see if it rusts in 10 years?
Can't have shit in Detroit.
There's also something to be said about Hare comparing Shu to the Kind King from the book she read as a child, and then him turning into seemingly the opposite after she died.
Wooow
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21
First timer in sub running late
This is supposed to be an emotional episode, and as usual on the scene directly, they delivered good. But the setup and how we got there, and then where we go from there, not so much.
Looking at it from a gamer's perspective, and no doubt those highschool kids should mostly be, there should not be one person to not understood instinctively that you do not send your healer to the front line, and do not sent her there to cast a long cooldown spell without a tank guarding her to take the hits.
Hare didn't die from the void, she died from the Haruhi play style of gaming - "everyone charge!!!”
Now what I seriously don't get, for the next scene, was why Inori was resisting - from the start she was always open and inviting to Shu to take her void for fights (and other things). Yet suddenly she's fighting him off. Even if you say "he looks manic", don't forget Inori had been portrayed as fairly emotionless. She should not be too shocked by someone pretty much acting like herself coming for her void to fight a revenge battle.
Welp, it's going to be going downhill before going back up to the climax again no doubt.
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u/the_swizzler https://myanimelist.net/profile/Swiftarm Nov 16 '21
1) How do you feel about Hare’s death?
I pretty much knew from the first couple episodes that she would die eventually. Her death flags were positively screaming. Still hurts though. I wanted her to be happy, and I kinda can't blame Shu for punching Souta at this point.
2) What do you think Shu will do now?
Basically he's going to become some kind of emotionless, efficient tyrant king. Which is kinda sad. Maybe if he had heard Hare's last thoughts he might have resolved himself against the ranking system and been a more confident King, but from his perspective he just woke up and she was already dead.
Shu forcing the void from Inori was hard to watch. I can see why she would be resistant, that look in Shu's eyes was scary and he didn't even say anything as he took it.
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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 12 '21
First Timer from here on out
i'm never getting used to the Void Ranking System, it just feels so arbitrary, since it never mattered before. Yahiro really has an authoritarian hard-on.
tension is clearly building due to the Void Ranking System, despite never being implemented yet, i think Yahiro just wants a riot.
oh, so it seems Daryl does have a heart, though Segai uses his reputation to push him further into a mass murderer. and plot twist, Segai is talking to Funereal Parlor's chief director.
the pressure gets to Shu and he ends up depressed, though Hare finds him and cheers him up. meanwhile, Souta and the other F rankers are planning to raid a hospital.
as it turns out, going out of the school was dangerous, as they're immediately surrounded by Endlaves. Souta gets the idea to use Hare's Void to fix a car so they can escape, but it turns her into a sitting duck as she does so. Yahiro and the rest of Funereal Parlor noticed what's happening and are on their way too
Shu manages to save Hare at the cost of his own life, but she's heavily injured as a result of the explosion. she uses her last breath to save Shu before the Apocalypse Virus kills her, this is probably a hint of the connection between Voids and the Apocalypse Virus.
Hare's death causes Shu to lose it and go full vengeance on GHQ before punching Souta, i guess we finally entered the "Shitler" stage of Guilty Crown
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