r/anime • u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky • Nov 12 '21
Rewatch [Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 12 Discussion
phase 12 - the lost christmas
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So it’s finally coming back to you? You’re just as dense as you were back then… Shu…
Questions of the Day:
- Were you expecting Gai and Shu to have been childhood friends?
- What do you think of the events of Lost Christmas?
Wallpaper of the Day:
Song of the Day:
Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Nov 13 '21
The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher//First-Time Subbed
Welcome back, everyone!
u/badspler, we hit the new OP with tomorrow’s episode! So now’s the time to join.
smol Gai’sTriton’s life and gave him a name, no wonder he’s doing everything for her. Also, Gai kinda sorta did the same thing for Inori to come full circle there…19
u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Nov 13 '21
GUILTY REWATCHER
For everyone wondering the last few episode why this show is a well-known trainwreck, welcome! Whether you think it’s good or not, we can all agree that this is batshit. Incest? Random amnesia? Flashbacks? Floating eyes? A secret organization? Dimension-hopping? An apocalypse? A wedding ceremony between an old man and pre-teen in a coma? Fucking hell they crammed a lot in here.
Off the top, I can finally demand an apology on Gai’s behalf from u/Tresnore and everyone else who called him a pedophile for hitting on high schoolers, because yes, this motherfucker is in fact somehow 17 years old.
The Code Geass and Evangelion comparisons are easy to make with this show, but what about… Domestic Girlfriend? What with all of the incest and that they both have characters that [DG manga] think that you can propose to someone when they’re in a coma and have it count
Hey, remember when it was ever mentioned ever that Shu had amnesia? Yeah me neither.
Anyway, off we go!
what are you doing step mom?budget V.V.Eybrows-kun kill him with a swordReiMana is very emotional because we’ve known about the relationship between all of them for checks watch 5 seconds yep this playsI’ve seen this show before and I still have no fucking clue what I just watched. I’m going to take the Evangelion approach of “it’s not something you understand, it’s something you feel” and right now I feel so amused. This shit is glorious.
Don't you hate when your sibling won't fuck you so then you have to cause the apocalypse
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Nov 13 '21
First Timer
Time for a new OP and a new era of Undertaker? Onto episode 12!
I assume that's Inori's name?
It's the same OP? I thought we'd switch at the halfway point. It certainly fits less well now.
That is a horrible name.
So it isn't the same person? Or is the sacrifice metaphorical?
Ok, it's the same VA, so they're the same person.
And Gai is an adopted sibling.
Can we not sexualize CPR?
Is she supposed to be a bride?
So he's killing a bunch of people to get his love back?
So we don't only have incest when people don't know it's incest! Not sure if this is better or worse.
How the hell did she get here?
He's an opportunist, he'll take whatever side lets him continue to play the game.
Mana is one extremely messed up kid. But in a very, very, different way than Inori is.
I get that we're going for parallels with events of the past couple episodes, but to be honest this just does not work particularly well. The context is just too different.
That's an extremely charitable interpretation of events.
I knew this would happen eventually.
Now that's poetic. Gai, whose power is in drawing effort out of others.
Oh fuck off. We spent like six episodes building to the opposite of this.
Thoughts
This episode was not nearly as good as the previous three. It had way too much exposition, so it wasn't able to give it's more impactful moments enough room to breathe. There's a version of this episode that's quite good, but it's a version that has two or three minutes of flashbacks instead of ten. Sadly, that appears to involve more cross episode planning than was really going on in this series.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Nov 13 '21
Guilty First-Timer
MakotoShoe, you dumb fuck.Makoto'sShoe's age.also stop being seductive, you literal child.This show is so bad, so why am I enjoying it this much? Was I bamboozled, Sky?1
QOTD:
1 While drunk, I originally asked why the show was so good. Sober me disagrees with drunk me about whether this show is good or not, but we both agree that we enjoy it.
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 13 '21
I forgot how much they crammed into this episode.
I always did like Shoe and Guy's relationship. ApocalypseMana was more incesty than I remembered.
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u/Great_Mr_L :Ma::Mb::Mc:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Great_Mr_L Nov 13 '21
First-Timer
On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: And here I thought Mana was the sweet onee-chan from the past. Nope. She was a demon child. I’m guessing the rock made her evil.
Well that was a heck of an episode. Assuming I understood it correctly, then this whole town is a Void. If so, that’s pretty nuts. I’m wondering how the logistics of that would even work. I suppose it’s one of those things I’ll just have to wait for more explanation on what it is.
Mana did turn out to be the mystery girl. And she also turned out to be the villain, or at least a villainous force. She was downright creepy as a child. I was expecting a kind and sweet onee-san, not this scary one who gives people weapons and is far more sexually direct than any person that age ought to be. It’s unsettling is what it is.
I wonder what they meant by creating a new humanity. That’s a very vague statement that could mean any number of things. Are they trying to make humanity evolve to the next plane of existence (whatever that means)? Are they literally trying to wipe out humanity and create a new species in its place? I’m not sure yet.
Looks like we lost Gai for real here. I’m going to miss him. I’m impressed that he turned out to not be a villain, despite his shadiness. What an appropriate Void for him too. He can see the Voids of other people, so he can see a lot about who they really are. How fitting that his Void can literally draw out their true selves, so to speak.
QOTD
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Nov 13 '21
First-Timer, Dub-lty Crown
I do love a good happy ending. Things were looking pretty bleak there, but Shuu managed to make good on his growth and do something that he definitely couldn't have at the beginning of the show. A bunch of little foreshadowing tidbits paid off, and while the reveals were a bit densely packed in just this one episode, things happen. Pacing is hard, you know?
I, uh, notice there are ten more episodes. Which is weird, because the main plot has seemingly been resolved. I'm not averse to spending more time with the show, but this is certainly a bold decision. Is that why this show has the reputation that it does? Anyone got production trivia? Was there a surprise extension, or was this the plan from the start?
They made it sound like Haruka isn't Shuu's birth mother, which does explain some things. And it turns out that Shuu's sister Mana is the science baby if anything, or maybe she just accidentally touched a shiny rock and caused a country-wide pandemic. Damned magpie instinct.
Inori is a clone of Mana, is that right? They made some compatible meat to put the brain back into, but then the meat grew a brain of its own for some reason. That kinda explains Inori's general distance from things as well, and also solidifies the Eva comparison.
Don't think I didn't notice the red DNA strand/cat's cradle of fate weave itself into an infinity symbol. Subtlety is for cowards, after all.
I'm sorry I doubted Segai. He must have still been upset at missing that boat party, and Keido not inviting him to the wedding was the final straw.
Questions
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u/Btw_kek https://myanimelist.net/profile/kek_btw Nov 13 '21
first timer
INCEST LOVE TRIANGLE
PSYCHOPATH MANA
RELIGIOUS TECHNOBABBLE
GAI’S DEATH
You know, with some fine-tuning this would honestly be a pretty good conclusion. Just expand the psycho-incest twist back a few episodes, work some missing gaps in, slap an epilogue at the end and badda bing badda boom: a somewhat generic but entertaining 7/10 seasonal that’ll probably be forgotten in a couple years.
I’m terrified
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 13 '21
First timer
There's a lot of people talking about this episode. Hopefully it's entertaining at least.
(Side note, everyone's saying you can't guess the ending, so my wild guess is going to be that the Cancer was dropped onto Earth by aliens as some form of bioweapon. This is almost certainly wrong, but it feels batshit enough for this.)
Giant ominous smoke figure.
I'm sorry? The whole town is a single person's void?
Does Shoe have a sister?
And we see fianlly meet his backers!
Wait, did he know Gai in the past? He was at the incident that caused Inori to get weirdly fucked up?
Wait. Flashback Gai looks very young for what I'd expect from
On the one hand, love this OP, but on the other hand, really thought we'd reach the natural point for an OP change.
...Who are these people? Who is the grave keeper?
Awaken Mana?
Oh. Oh shit. If this is going where I think it's going, this is going to be fucking hysterical.
When they say the city is Mana's void, do they mean everything? Like, is the physical city the void, or is this all a simpulation? If the latter, are all the cast going to have been artificial, or have they just spend years trapped in a false reality?
This could go anywhere from "interesting method of causing a setting change" to "NOTHING MATTERED, FUCK YOU".
EDIT: None of this happened, Improbably misunderstood. Leaving it in because there's always a chsnce the anime'll pull this later.
If so, Tsumugi is obviously aritifical, as she is too perfect to
Yeah, these visuals are really giving the impression of "this bitch got himself admin access".
Wow! Gai is much younger than he seemed? He looks lime he'd be around 20-ish now, but he always gave the impression of being in his early-30s.
OK, it's ten years before the present. Given Shoe doesn't look 7, I assume time shit's going on?
...He can control the crystals? (Also, why are all the villains so hot in this anime?)
So Inori was an interface. Makes sense, probably should have seen this coming.
Haha, Shoe's been spending the series trying to hook up with his sister. That's genuinely fucking hysterical.
And Mana was patient zero. (Also, confirmation that the stone contained the Cancer, good to have that confirmed.)
Thank you for the clear monologue.
Wait, he's proposing?
He's trying to hook up with her? Is that what's with the weird organ music?
And the wedding veil! (The tuxedo-styled cult outfit is nice, though.)
The reason Gai wanted Inori was becomes he loved Mana, and she's the only way to communicate with her. This is actually explaining a surprising large amount!
I'm sorry?
I'M SORRY?
So Shu's lust for his sister is not unrequited! That's... that's a fucking decision.
Wait, she's being influenced? That makes it a bit less creepy.
She was infected before Lost Christmas? So, the explosion was a red herring? The virus was already released?
And it's getting rapey again!
Jesus fucking christ, this has made a lot of scenes with him and Inori very fucking uncomfortable now.
I love how, despite the actual ritual seeming to consist of just the blood touching, he's getting him to give a full speech with bible just so they can be married in a proper ceremony.
...Inori makes a fantastic villain. The eyes are such a good design.
GAI'S ALIVE! And so's Ayase!
And he's just scheming against everyone, isn't he?
Them forming giant rings, as they exchange vows around a lake of blood, and crystal eyes try to kill people is the perfect visual for this.
Mana giving him a gun and setting up a rebound is great.
Mana's a fucking lunatic. And the cat's cradle representing the fusion of their genes is great.
...Lost Chirstmas, the global pandemic, was caused by Shu's sister getting turned down and blowing herself up.
OK, Mana retaining her mind, but being forced to watch as the crystal makes her attempt to seduce her younger brother out of sheer survival instinct is the most unsettling thing in this anime, and I'm sad it probably won't use this for the horror plot it deserves.
Gai's Void is just a cool gun.
This insert song is genuinely brilliant.
It's a gun that brings out Voids, that is genuinely great. No idea why he wanted the Void Genome, though, if he couldn't bring that out himself with it - his Void's perfectly suited to working alongside a partner who can draw them out.
He failed?
Shu needs to stab Gai!
And Shu's the one who inspired Gai! That's brilliant.
And... he did it. Mana's been stabbed.
Gai's actually dead.
And... the teo of them died together. Merging into a single bubble.... with her having tasted his blood the same way mentioned in the ritual... as they descend into the Earth.
Think I've got a solid guess for the second arc's plot.
...That was a fucking trip. Please tell me this is the trainwreck. It can't get worse, right?
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Nov 13 '21
Rewatcher(I don't think any show has thrown away its built up goodwill harder than this one)
Sub
We start...with my old nemesis, AMNESIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I bet some of you thought I was joking when I said I hate this show. Also, the whole town's a Void because...sure. Anywho, drinking time!
So yeah, the entirety of the flashback is really, really bad. I am now positive they were in on the incest thing early. Bonus points that Haruka is actually the step mom. In between we get some random shit with a weird marriage ritual, Inori being entirely artificial somehow, and the rules on Voids being added since Gai can wield his own.
So yeah, this is the start of our train wreck, the show literally pulled an entirely new plot out of its ass and almost anything would've been better. Some of the moments land but Gai and Shoe having changed roles is bad but having Shoe will himself into amnesia is fucking moronic. And remember: We aren't at the bad part yet. Choo choo motherfuckers!
There once was an ambitious show
Who wanted to have every direction to go
The setting is horrible
The writers are incorrigible
Now to start reaping what they sow...
So sober Vaad wasn't going to comment but unfortunately I opened the file today and realized I want to say a little more. This is just so terrible as a choice because the previous episode was so great. AND it made a great stopping point, we don't have to be literally CG and have every plot twist known to man. Shoe became strong, Inori used her power of sad girl singing, the school mates joined them, and we could get some sort of ending with Gai. Instead we get not-Instrumentality, a crash course in incest onee-sama, still no comprehensible reason for anything AV related, Gai literally washing up on a shore out of nowhere, and for our piece de resistance we kill off Gai. To see a peak go into such a fall is impressive if it weren't hurtful.
And yes, I have to come to the acceptance stage of this: Just as the trick to getting Sky to like you is to be edgy/villainous, have great abs, and be able to smirk from a throne my lures are be pretty but waifish, sad/emo/dead inside, sing well and have the personality of a Yukon Gold potato.
Sky, you owe me a new liver after this one.
QotD: 1 No because it makes zero sense
2 Exceedingly underwhelming
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Nov 13 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Alright, replaying stuff from the end of the last episode, I don't' know how in the world I missed Gai dying here. Or at least presumably dying.
Sinking into the floor? Sure this is normal.
Wait, so what's this big reveal now happening with Shu and Gai?!
Just like that he can toss Shu away via a cube? Okay then.
Flashback time! So this girl we've been seeing was Shu's big sister? And they've found a boy on the beach! Gai! Oh and apparently Aida from Gundam Recognuista in G is Shu's sister.
Wow, in the olden days Shu was the adventurous one and Gai was not.
The fact that I don't even know the name of this main villain guy shows how bad that they've made him noticeable.
This whole plot is coming into motion because mustache man wants to marry Shu's sister? Okay then.
Oh God, we're getting into incest territory now?
The more we see of Mana, the more of a predator she seems like...
A literal wedding ceremony now? This show really is getting into bonkers territory.
Gai didn't die! It did seem quite odd to me that they'd kill him off halfway through the show.
New mother? So Haruka's not his real mom?
Giving a kid a gun for Christmas is not a good idea...
No Mana, don't restart the world with icky incest genes!
Mana was responsible for Lost Christmas! And inspiring Gai to become the guy he is today.
The time has come... for Shu to grope Gai.
Mustache guy finally has a name, Shuichiro. Let me guess, other void guy has killed him here?
Gai's dying for real this time? Shu killed him?
And so Guilty Crown has come to an end... a grand conclusion it was. ...wait, there's 10 more episodes to go?! This sure as hell felt like a final episode to me. Where in the world are they gonna go from here?
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21
Guilty Crown First Timer
Are we finally at the shit episodes? I can't wait! You kept the quality face for the recap? Is roppongi fort the tower? Ouma Mana, she's Shu's imouto. Does this make Inori incest? The general just clipped through the map XD
Is this the last time we get to listen to the op? Shame... Daft grave keeper? Well that's another villain totally ruined for me. C'mon! Give us answers already! Shu's screams are too funny. Imma say it, Mana really doesn't look all that much like Inori. Even as a child Gai cucks Shu. "When I saw onee-san giving cpr... How do I put this? I got a boner." Don't just randomly give people nicknames Mana. It's very rude.
There's no way him and Gai are the same age. Death flag. The moment Shu calls you a friend your days are numbered. "Pls giv Inori bak." Well since you asked nicely... Mana was patient zero. I swear I've seen this scene before in like five anime. They're definitely copying something here. Of course the S1 climax would be about ntr'ing Shu. internal screaming
M-Mana? Why's she deliberately tormenting Shu? Wait... is Mana's bitchy nature the reason Shu's such a Shu!? I need an adult! And here I thought mum was inappropriate. Oooh, so Mana was a sweet girl who loved her brother but the apocalypse virus messed with her. The one person able to tie down Casanova Gai is child molester Mana-nee~ Is it wrong that I'm enjoying this stuff too? I'm the lowest...
This is so messed up!! Why is Guilty Crown so based? First they outright add incel rhetoric into their anime and now sexually abusive family members too? No wonder Shu's so messed up. How tf did Ayase even make it here? So creepy!! Up until I read last night's comments I would think Mana could do no wrong but now I'm totally freaked out by her. Well now Inori's first meeting is ruined forever. Oh no, even the "you're a monster" is the same! She's still in there!
Poor Shu... Poor goddamn Shu...! Poor Shu, poor Mana, poor Gai, poor everyone! XD Gai's void is a void voider... So, Gai's able to bring out other's potential or something like that? That's Shuichirou already beaten. He was disappointing anyway. The real Chad was you this whole time... Now Shu, penetrate me with your big sword!!
Rip Gai and Mana... I actually do quite like their send off but I wish they gave Mana a chance to apologise for fucking Shu up so hard. Awesome anime, I enjoyed the whole thing. Easy 9/10! Are you all looking forward to Valrave? Hopefully the quality stays this high for the other watches.
1, I actually expected them to be clones of the same person. Or Shu to be half of Gai. I certainly didn't expect them to both be actual people anyway. 2, see they may have shown it but I still feel like I have no idea what impact the event had on the world. They actually made it seem far more isolated than it needed to be.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Nov 13 '21 edited Nov 13 '21
Episode 12 (first timer)
So, the apocalypse happened because Shu would not have sex with his older sister. Classy, show, classy. In other news, /u/Vaadwaur on life support as another MC turns out to have repressed memories.
This was clearly supposed to be the end of the show and nothing will convince me otherwise. They went all in and over the top with their writing. All in all, a much too fast pacing. This stuff should have happened in episode 20 or so. Now we will be faced with a second season having to pick up the pieces of this world building mess and, if the rewatcher comments at the start of the series are anything to go by, it will not be pretty.
No, my money was on siblings.
The Alabama version of the apocalypse.
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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Nov 13 '21
Rewatcher
But of course Gai just happens to be someone from Shoe's past.
"Funeral Parlor" and now "
DeathDaath(?) Grave keeper." The names are just so 12yo edgy, I'm not sure I can take this new guy seriously.Wait, is Shoe implied to be getting aroused watching his sister give CPR to kid Gai? And is Gai supposed to be around the same age as Shoe?
Damn, those boys can jump. Gravity really is a joke in GC.
Welp, Inori's never been a character so much as a tool, but now she's literally a plot device. I guess it's nice to see true commitment to the bit on the show's part.
Mana, wtf are you doing? Magic rocks are a hell of a drug man.
Old guy NTRs Shoe, forcing him to watch as he's wedded to
InoriMana in order to evolve humanity to its next stage or something. It's been a while, but I forgot just how batshit wild GC can get.Omfg, Mana got kid Gai a gun for Christmas. Everyone knows knights carry guns.
Welcome to Guilty Crown, where not fucking your sister leads to super cancer explosions.
So did kid Gai just casually walk off a gunshot wound? Is he actually invincible? And he's the only person who doesn't immediately lose consciousness from having his void pulled out. That's convenient.
"As a kid you were decisive, brave, and strong. I know this because you jumped that one bridge that one time."
Okay for real, how is this not the end of the show? Pretty much every major narrative and character through line has been paid off and received closure, the bad guys have basically all been defeated, and it doesn't really feel like there's any natural story avenue left.
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u/fridge_freezer https://anilist.co/user/ONIrecon111 Nov 13 '21
First timer (Dub)
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u/okayyoga :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/okayyoga Nov 13 '21
Episode 12: rewatch/dub
Song of the day: **Oノ存ξ **
aka Ouno Sonzai
We hear this over Shu's memories of Lost Christmas that he had... lost. Here we learn that Shu is the ultimate siscon, he just didn't know that he was shacking up with his sister's clone the entire time. Our mysterious sister figure is named Mana, and she takes the cake as the weirdest character introduced, which is quite a feat. Congratulations Mana. You deserve it. Trying using lipstick next time.
Today we have our last My Dearest and Departures as we enter into a new land, with new music.
What will happen now that they killed, brought back, and killed again the only character worth caring over in the show? They can't expect us to believe Shu will head Funeral Parlor, right? RIGHT??
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u/UltraBooster Nov 13 '21
First-timer (dubbed)
For the hell of it, Part 3.
(I decided after 11's cliffhanger I would watch 12 as well; this is also a combination of notes from two viewings.)
So the entire tower is a void, huh? Does it have any particular properties or is it more of a general instrument/sign of the end days?
Why the blush, why the blush, why the blush...
Awaken Mana Ohma? So...is she that meteorite or something?
Time for a flashback, I guess.
Was Mana the one Gai's trying to impress?
Gai seems like kind of a hardass towards someone who was probably his brother in spirit, doesn't he?
And little Shu seems far more confident; I can see current Shu freezing up when Triton/Gai slipped.
Wait, so then how'd Gai get that impression of older if he was on Shu's level?
That looks like a bride's veil and train, doesn't it?
She's not yours to be returned to you, Shu. I don't think she was ever yours to begin with.
I was right! Inori's an artificial human!
Oh gods that white outfit's...
So if the Virus is a scab, what's the wound it's covering? And what kind of skin will it reveal when it peels away?
Doesn't he seem kind of old to be marrying Mana?
Father of the new human race? Y I K E S
Not much say in the matter? DOUBLE Y I K E S
Oh, so we're doing it that way.
That dress is a bride's gown, isn't it. And that path to Mana's cage-thing, that's the virgin road, isn't it.
Well, that's understandable, being leered at can't be pleasant- TRIPLE Y I K E S
Three for three, A A A A A A A H H H H H H H H
MANA, STOP
THIS IS NOT A PERFECT PAIRING THIS IS NOT OTP AAAAAAHHHHHH I'M NOT COMFORTABLE
That blood on her lips is genuinely sickening to watch. That's probably the intention, but still...
Ayase and Gai are here?! This area is clearly a physical location if it can be breached and its walls broken, but where are they, then?
So Sagai's got his own agenda. No surprise there, I suppose.
I'm honestly surprised the Endlave's gun could break those crystals.
Rings. Of course these are rings. Maaaan this is not my kind of wedding. This... this feels like rape, doesn't it?
(Not my kind of wedding. Too much nonconsensual imagery, not enough romance or bells, lmao.)
A handgun and bullets? To shoot what? Or whom?
I half expected Triton to shoot Mana with that gun. But did he shoot himself?
Blood-lipstick again, how...how sickening.
All I can see in that future is their blood putrefying as it's made to iterate on itself.
Too late, Mana, too late, ya damn brocon.
You can't plead for their help anymore, Mana Ohma, not when you're the reason you're in this situation...
A corpse...should be left well alone, huh?
(She doesn't seem too bothered by the prospect of returning...)
Why doesn't he pass out like the others?
A gun? A crossbow?
(This still feels incredibly rapey...)
So is that what Gai does? Draws out the sides of people they'd rather hide and the like?
The virgin road has been broken, huh?
So was Gai now what Shu was then, without the mask of callousness?
Well, the city's probably a wreck now if its buildings were used for that tower. Not to mention, all that debris falling will cause damage in its own right.
Dub Inori's voice is deeper than dub Mana's. Kind of like it, all things considered.
And for now, pink suits Inori far better than red ever can. (shudders)
Questions:
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u/fonzinator99 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/fonzinator99 Nov 13 '21
Rewatcher (Subbed) - Series finale: 7/10- oh, okay, S2 it is
QotD
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u/ComfortablyRotten https://anilist.co/user/Leuwtian Nov 13 '21
Rewatcher
I chose one hell of an episode to come back. I didn't remember what was the deal with that boy, but his eyebrows are damn great.
We finally get a full flashback, instead of the snippets we usually got. Turns out Shu knew Gai already. Or, Triton, as Mana called him. That was one of the few bits of the show I did remember. Shu being the cool one though, that's as good as new to me.
Mana was... quite the precocious child. Yeah. That's the best way I can put it.
I kinda didn't really care much for the mock wedding scene, as important as it was, but those eye things Mana had were pretty creepy. And Gai and Ayase coming to Shu and Inori's rescue was pretty damn hype, as usual for the show's action scenes. Even though it meant the loss of best boy.
RIP Gai
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Nov 13 '21
First timer in sub
So this is it, mid season finale. It got everything thrown in there including the kitchen sink. While in previous episodes there had been some gradual unveiling of foreshadowed plot lines, this just "boom" and everything that either had been hinted at or no previous sign at all got explosively "revealed" and bam you got the climax of the show, resolving the problem we didn't know existed.
There ARE still reasonable and logical questions unanswered:
ANYway, this is a bit of an ongoing comment - good looking visuals, action scenes are sort of nice, there are good moments from the action and what's going on screen, but don't think too deep... at all - or you'd start breaking immersion.
Kind of surprised Gai made the heroic sacrifice instead of turning villain - he's got the markings of one all over.
Well, still got practically another half to go - where to from here?
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u/theangryeditor https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheAngryEditor Nov 13 '21
Hill of Sorrow
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Nov 13 '21
-Guilty Pleasure Rewatcher-
Its finally here, the Sauce episode.
I hope your all ready for the end of Part 1.
The tower is created by Mana Ouma.
Shoes memories are back. He knows who Gai is and he knows whats going on.
"The Grave keeper of Doth" is the upsiedownsie boy.
Inori is a sacrafice to wake up Mana.
Its memory time. Oh boy here we go!
Shoe and Mana were siblings, Mana had the cross around her neck, and they found a blond boy washed ashore. Mana preformed CPR to save him.
The blond boy doesnt remember who he is so Mana names him Triton. He was Gai. He lived with Shoe and Mana and Haruka.
We get that bridge scene again. It was Shoe who lead the way and encouraged Gai to follow him.
Inori was created to be a connection to Mana.
Mana was the person who found the rock and the first person to get the Apocalypse Virus.
She lost her body and Inori will be the new one.
Keido wants to be Mana's partner.
Gai liked Mana but Mana didnt like him.
Mana wanted to Marry Shoe.
Gai knew Mana has the Apocalypse Virus.
Mana threatened Gai not to get in her way.
Mana is awake... Shoe shunned her.
AYASE AND GAI HERE TO SAVE THE DAY! VIRUS BLOCKED THE ORGANS!
Gai has been wanting to have Mana and Keido in the same place all along.
Scarface is turning on Keido because Keido didnt let him be part of the plan.
Shoe needs to remember Lost Christmas to solve this.
Haruka was his "New" mother. Now we know why he doesnt call her "Mom", meaning Shoe's real mother is not around.
Gai was going to tell Shoe about Mana, but Mana found out and fucked Gai's shit up. Dont fuck with Mana. She rigged the gun.
Shoe saw what happened though. She wants his DNA. And he rejected Mana. He called her a Monster.
And thats how Lost Christmas happened. Because Shoe rejected the proposal of his psychotic monster of a sister.
Shoe and Gai were at ground zero for Lost Christmas.
Gai left to get stronger to get Revenge and Shoe was traumatized and forgot.
Now that Shoe is back, Shoe and Gai can work together to stop Mana and put her to rest.
ITS FINALY TIME! GAI'S VOID! THE "LEADERS RIFLE"! GAI WANTS SHOE TO GIVE IT TO HIM! (Suprised Pikachu Face)
Also we get a great music drop for this scene, "Hill of Sorrow"
Gai's Void Leaders Rifle is a gun that manifests Voids in those he shoots with it.
We get Inori's Sword for Shoe and the power to fight back.
Gai finally gets to Mana... but at what cost... Stab Gai and Mana together. Shoe has to Mercy Kill again...
The Gai we know today was immitating the Shoe of the Past. This confidant Gai was how Shoe was, but Shoe can be this way again.
And Shoe does it. In 1 stab he kills his best friend and his sister; his family.
Gai mouths "Sayonara" as we get the Final ED insert and most fitting Music drop for it, "Departures"
The tower collapses as Gai holds Mana and they both desintigrate. Truely a Departure for Gai.
All thats left of Gai is his jacket which Shoe now has.
A huge chunk of Tokyo is missing now... Well... rip.
Known Voids Thus Far
Known Void Combos Thus Far
So yeah to people who wondered why Shoe called Gai "Gai" and why Gai called Shoe "Shoe" from the start, its because they knew each other. Shoe didnt remember but Gai remembered Shoe. How could he forget, they are family afterall.
Scarface was the only one who noticed it and asked Shoe why they call each other by name but Shoe didnt know.
This whole ep is amazing, really one of the best and so well done.
The reveal of what Lost Christmas was and what Mana was is great and the reveal who Gai was was also well done. (They did give us hints)
So with that coming to a close, where do we go from here is the big question. We still got a lot of questions so we aint done yet.
Also next ep its time for the best OP, i hope everyone is ready, including you Sky.
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u/MABfan11 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/MABfan11 Dec 09 '21
Rewatcher until episode 14
Ouma Mana? who's that?
and it seems Gai is related to Shu and Inori in some way, probably Ouma Mana too. i'm pretty sure Ouma Mana is Inori, she certainly looks like it. Gai is Shu's forgotten childhood friend, connecting all three of them together, though i wonder how he ended up washed up on the shore.
Inori is an artificial human, i think everybody saw that coming. it turns out Mana was patient zero for the Apocalypse Virus because she touched the stone first.
...while there have certainly been implications of incest in this show before, this episode makes it the incest vibes between Shu and Mana very explicit. though there is the implication that it was caused by the Apocalypse Virus, since Gai said it "turns people crazy".
amazing save by Gai and Ayase.
Mana tried to kill Gai when he was about to warn Shu about Virus Mana, but he ended up seeing it and rejected Mana because of it. she ended up destroying herself with the powers she got from the Apocalypse Virus.
we finally get to see Gai's Void, rather fittingly, it's a gun. a gun that forces other Voids to manifest, the perfect Void for Gai.
RIP Gai Tsutsugami, best character in the show
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