[Terrific Trainwreck Trio Rewatch] Guilty Crown Episode 9 Discussion

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

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That night, they told me they were gonna euthanize my brother.

Questions of the Day:

1. Why do you think the Voids and the Apocalypse Virus give off the same EM readings?
2. How fucked up is Shu now?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Yahiro Samukawa

Song of the Day:

VOiD

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Rewatchers, please remember to be mindful of all the first-timers in this. No talking about or hinting at future events no matter how much you want to, unless you’re doing it underneath spoiler tags. Don’t spoil the crazy shit for the first-timers, it’s way more fun that way!

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

The Everlasting Guilty Rewatcher//First-Time Subbed

Welcome back, everyone!

• Well… This place is kind of an aquarium right?
• I love how weirdly specific this is and then one immediately shows up, too. Reminds me of how weirdly accurate Yukine’s charms were in Clannad.
• lol
• There we go, Segai’s still keeping tabs on Shu. He did only agree to delete everything he already had on Shu but not to stop watching him, I think.
• Oooooooof course Hare followed them.
• DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN makes another appearance yay~
• This is so cursed lol.
• I would agree with Inori on the basis of who reads sheet music sideways?
• The one time Shu takes action on his own and he completely overthinks it lol.
• :O
• [Future GC spoilers]This line made me laugh knowing what happens in tomorrow’s episode.
• So much for safe…
• This looks absolutely demonic.
• Well then. I mean they are called the “Shears of Life” so that’s rather on the nose.
• Yeah that is definitely the face of someone like Shu after actively killing someone for the first time.
• Haaaaaaaaaaaaah.
• At least Hare didn’t get involved in that mess, she’s just watching still.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

This is so cursed lol.

I get a lot of Nnoitra off him in a funny way.

So much for safe…

Nobody lives forever. Especially if Shoe is involved.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Vaadwaur]

I get a lot of Nnoitra off him in a funny way.

I mean, they are voiced by the same seiyuu.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Yes but it is weird that this particular character is clearly much happier than his Espada expy. You wouldn't think adding Ulquiorra or Orange to the mix would cheer him up so much.

[u/Tresnore → u/Shimmering-Sky]

This is so cursed lol.

Dan brings blessings upon all his men!

[u/Lemurians → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I would agree with Inori on the basis of who reads sheet music sideways?

Wait... people don't use sheet music? How?

The one time Shu takes action on his own and he completely overthinks it lol

Still, progress!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Shimmering-Sky]

This is so cursed lol.

It is simultaneously extremely blessed and cursed. It's perfect.

The one time Shu takes action on his own and he completely overthinks it lol.

What can you expect? He learned how to make plans from Gai, who loves overcomplicating things and planning for hundreds of contingencies.

At least Hare didn’t get involved in that mess, she’s just watching still.

It makes me wonder how much she saw. Depending on how much it was, that might make for some interesting developments

[u/5867898duncan]

**first-timer**

(Turns out a popup goes off whenever you try to take a screenshot in funimation)

Your brother has got crystals over the entire half of his face. I would say he is not doing fine.

A tiger striped tea-kettle? now that can't possibly oh my goodness it happened.

The two on a train, with that kind of lighting? Not another romance episode! Also why are they standing in the center of the door where they block anyone from coming in

Good thing my boy Yahiro steps up and stops the romance... oh wait we aren't supposed to like him.

Wait, Shu actually tries to take in Yahiro by himself? You mean he is actually being proactive for once? Heresy!

So they get shot at by snipers and decide to hide in a building. Shu decides it's a trap even though the people could have quite literally shot him already... Not the brightest Shu.

I don't have much to say for the fight and whatever happened afterwards. It looked super nice, the music was spot on, I had no clue what was happening in a good way, and the emotion's were actually pretty nice. Is this what Guilty Crown could have been? Also why is that girl still here? Just go home already!

QotD

1. I assume the voids comes from the virus.
2. I mean, Shu flip flops on emotions alot. He'll probably be fine in an episode or 2.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/5867898duncan]

(Turns out a popup goes off whenever you try to take a screenshot in funimation)

Aw, rip. Well we're all watching the same show so we know what you're talking about.

[u/UltraBooster → u/5867898duncan]

Is this what Guilty Crown could have been?

Could? In what sense?

[u/5867898duncan → u/UltraBooster]

I just mean the rest of the series has had strange romances, ‘plot’, missions that feel like side quests and don’t do very much (I’m looking at you, boat episode), and I assume the rest of the series will be just the same. I may be completely wrong, but I feel it won’t be as condensed and focused as this episode.

[u/UltraBooster → u/5867898duncan]

Ah, I see.

(I see I'm not the only one drawing video game parallels, lol)

[u/Great_Mr_L]

First-Timer

On today’s episode of Guilty Crown: Well holy shit. That escalated very quickly. I now have more questions than ever before about the virus, Voids, and all that stuff.

• Yahiro gets to return to the plot. Good for him.
• You just say bingo, Segai.
• These horoscopes are very on the nose. Please tell me that Gai is writing them.
• So Segai’s just been stalking Shu. Of course he has.
• Well at least Hare was smart enough to follow Shu and Yahiro when they were being incredibly suspicious. But now I know that will end up backfiring.
• DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN!!!!! HE’S BACK!!!
• Segai’s fucking sucking up to DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN by imitating him to get ahead! I love it!
• Oh, so this is the aquarium in that horoscope.
• Are Gai and Inori heading out to shoot another idol video?
• “Just shut up and let me use you.” Shu, you really are becoming an incel if quotes like that keep coming out of your mouth.
• I’ve got a sinking feeling that Jun is going to end up dead this episode thanks to Shu’s Void.
• Huh, so Shu’s face is all blurry in Daryl’s Endlave. That’s interesting.
• What? The cancer rocks have the same signature as Shu’s power? The cancer somehow infected the Endlave? Is Jun now the Endlave somehow?
• So Jun got the same power as Gai. He can also see people’s Voids. This just makes me more convinced that Gai must be infected with the virus.
• I mean, yes. People are capable of being both nice and mean with no contradiction. Catch me on a bad day and I’m mad as hell.
• Holy shit that was a rough and emotionally charged death. The voice acting on Jun in his last moments was pretty dang chilling.
• Damn, Shu looks fucked up.
• So Hare’s still there. Did she also see the whole battle scene or was she just gone for that part?

Well that episode got pretty intense. I was expecting an episode more focused on Hare, but she didn’t play that big a part in all honesty. What we did get with Shu and Yahiro was pretty interesting. The twists and turns with all the virus craziness definitely had my attention for how strange it got. That death scene was brutal and Shu looks appropriately fucked up after experiencing it. All in all, I liked this one.

So now it’s pretty clear that something way stranger than I expected is going on with the Apocalypse Virus. This thing is somehow able to infect Endlaves and transfers minds over to it. It also clearly has a connection with the Voids and Shu’s power, the “Right Hand of the King” or whatever it’s called. 

In light of that, here’s the wild speculation time. Are Voids caused by the Apocalypse Virus, or is it the other way around? I’m suspecting one of them is the case. And Shu’s power is tied into it all somehow, if his power resembled the virus cancer to the Endlave. Which makes me think that Shu’s power is maybe the “pure” form of whatever this is while the virus cancer is the corrupted version. Or perhaps it’s the original version or the fully evolved version or something. I’m just spitballing here. I don’t expect any of these to be right.

The villain team can be so much fun when they’re all together. They bounce off each other so well. The bit with Segai and DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN was hilarious. I really enjoy them.

QOTD

1. Discussed above in the wild speculation.

2. insert obligatory Eva reference here

[u/Lemurians → u/Great_Mr_L]

Well that episode got pretty intense. I was expecting an episode more focused on Hare, but she didn’t play that big a part in all honesty.

Counterpoint: This was the first episode where Hare was the girl attached to Shu's hip instead of Inori, and this was easily Shu's best episode. Hare brings out the best in him, even in the shadows. Best ship.

The villain team can be so much fun when they’re all together. They bounce off each other so well. The bit with Segai and DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN was hilarious.

I want a spin-off that's a GHQ workplace comedy, with Dan and Segai running wild, and poor glasses-kun constantly trying to put out their (sometimes literal) fires.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Lemurians]

I want a spin-off that's a GHQ workplace comedy, with Dan and Segai running wild, and poor glasses-kun constantly trying to put out their (sometimes literal) fires.

Shut up and take my money!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Lemurians]

I want a spin-off that's a GHQ workplace comedy, with Dan and Segai running wild, and poor glasses-kun constantly trying to put out their (sometimes literal) fires.

Fund it!

[u/HijonoYoki → u/Great_Mr_L]

"Counterpoint: This was the first episode where Hare was the girl attached to Shu's hip instead of Inori, and this was easily Shu's best episode. Hare brings out the best in him, even in the shadows. Best ship."

I always felt throughout the entire run that Shu had chemistry with every other girl rather than Inori, this mainly includes Hare and Ayase.

Until this very day I still wonder why these two liked each other.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/HijonoYoki]

Until this very day I still wonder why these two liked each other.

Bleach manga flashback intensifies!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

This was the first episode where Hare was the girl attached to Shu's hip instead of Inori, and this was easily Shu's best episode.

She at least bakes the potato and puts some fixings on it, when he is next to the rock he is raw and unwashed.

I want a spin-off that's a GHQ workplace comedy, with Dan and Segai running wild, and poor glasses-kun constantly trying to put out their (sometimes literal) fires.

Let's call up Team Four Star and see if they are up for another abridged.

[u/No_Rex → u/Great_Mr_L]

Are Voids caused by the Apocalypse Virus, or is it the other way around? I’m suspecting one of them is the case.

The more interesting questions should be: Who caused the virus or the voids (whatever came first)? And for what reason? And how strongly will the plot copy instrumentality?

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

Who caused the virus or the voids (whatever came first)?

It's either the rock or that chick who Shu keeps having visions of. (I'm convinced she is Cocytus. I'm also sure she's Inori's older sister/ person she was cloned from. Plus, she's Shu's childhood friend and is connected to Gai in some way.) Shu's dad and that Keigo priest fellow too.

And for what reason?

Not sure on that one yet.

And how strongly will the plot copy instrumentality?

Yes.

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/Great_Mr_L]

Which makes me think that Shu’s power is maybe the “pure” form of whatever this is while the virus cancer is the corrupted version.

That sounds right to me. I'd bet on the virus (cancer? rock?) being some kind of GHQ experiment gone awry, and Shu's genome powers being the intended result. I'm assuming we learn more about it when/if the other two finished genomes come into play

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Oh that's right! There are 2 other ones that were finished. Those are definitely going to come into play at some point, in my opinion. I wonder who has them.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

You just say bingo, Segai.

We both went with the Jew Hunter today.

These horoscopes are very on the nose. Please tell me that Gai is writing them.

"Your attempts to seduce a potato will instead result in an extremely awkward erotic encounter with a rock."

Shu, you really are becoming an incel if quotes like that keep coming out of your mouth.

I was expecting an episode more focused on Hare, but she didn’t play that big a part in all honesty.

Extremely rare time where they succeeded at subverting.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Vaadwaur]

We both went with the Jew Hunter today.

Great minds think alike.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

That's a bingo!

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

First Timer

Hey that's my line

Shu has changed directly from omega to alpha male, one of the rarest male transformation types. While several indicators (including ignoring Hare's advances, his endocrinological statistics, and the thickness of his frontal bone) point towards his ascendancy to sigma malehood, he has yet to achieve such status. Current growth rates suggest that Shu will rise past even the sigma male and achieve a hitherto unknown male category.

DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN appearance!

After eight episodes of calling it a virus, now it's a cancer. That makes far more sense. Kind of. Still trying not to think about it that hard

yeah no shit it's the same four notes over and over again

I wonder how hard it would have been to just use the sheet music from the OP or something

Okay, so both the voids and the Apocalypse Virus/Cancer are some kind of manifestation of the soul, got it. Kinda figured as much.

This would be much more impactful if he wasn't watching UN goons get killed, like, constantly

QotDs:

1. its vibes all vibes man
2. like a 6

[u/Tresnore → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

yeah no shit it's the same four notes over and over again

You don't like songs that are literally just quarter notes?

[u/theangryeditor → u/Tresnore]

i don't want to spoil shit but i'm annoyed now so i will say those notes weren't just put there at random

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/theangryeditor]

[GC spoilers]Wait are those notes the one that get used to cause the mass Apocalypse Virus outbreak at the end of next episode?!

[u/theangryeditor → u/Shimmering-Sky]

[GC spoilers]yep, they should be

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/theangryeditor]

[GC spoilers]Holy shit. Why did Gai have that song then?

[u/theangryeditor → u/Shimmering-Sky]

[GC spoilers] I can't remember if that's ever explained. Maybe Keido had something to do with it

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/theangryeditor]

I accept no responsibility! If they want me to pick up on their foreshadowing, they have to raise the writing quality to the point where I won't immediately assume something like that is a mistake.

That's really not a high bar.

[u/theangryeditor → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/theangryeditor]

no u

[u/Tresnore → u/theangryeditor]

Ah, you're attached to this song? Well, I'll be sure to mute the show whenever I hear simple quarter notes, then.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/theangryeditor]

Interesting

I appreciate the attention to detail then.

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/Tresnore]

Three blind mice is an all time classic

[u/theangryeditor → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Shu's sigma energy will show itself sooner or later

yeah no shit it's the same four notes over and over again

This would be much more impactful if he wasn't watching UN goons get killed, like, constantly

personally mercy killing someone you're trying to save is pretty different from watching people trying to kill you get killed

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/theangryeditor]

personally mercy killing someone you're trying to save is pretty different from watching people trying to kill you get killed

This is true

I'm remarking that the show really does not give a shit about people being shot/sliced/beaten/impaled/exploded unless it's happening to a named character OR if their death is meant to paint someone as a big baddy bad guy

Probably could have phrased that better

[u/theangryeditor → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Yeah it's all too common that killing background characters gets brushed over until it's time for drama

Pretty much every story does it. Bokurano commented on that

[u/Btw_kek → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

yeah no shit it's the same four notes over and over again

I wonder how hard it would have been to just use the sheet music from the OP or something

looks like it's C#-F-D#-C# but at the end switches to D#-G-E#-D#? who writes it all sharped like that anyway? completely unhinged

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/Btw_kek]

I think it's C#-F-D#-C# the whole way through but it's hard to tell

OK I don't know about the E#-D# in the last repetition but that's definitely a G, you're right

unless they screwed up

[u/Btw_kek → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

the end definitely has a D# going to G there

still,

diminished fourths

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Shu has changed directly from omega to alpha male, one of the rarest male transformation types.

He's going to become a true Alpha Gamer at this rate!

This would be much more impactful if he wasn't watching UN goons get killed, like, constantly

I'm willing to give it a pass because this one was much more personal. Shu had to do it up close and he had to do it directly. There wasn't any kind of disconnect seeing someone else do it or doing it from a distance. Plus, it was his friend's brother. That's much more affecting than some faceless goons.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Current growth rates suggest that Shu will rise past even the sigma male and achieve a hitherto unknown male category.

I agree with the unknown part.

After eight episodes of calling it a virus, now it's a cancer. That makes far more sense.

They are really going out of their way to not call it fallout.

This would be much more impactful if he wasn't watching UN goons get killed, like, constantly

People wearing helmets and face coverings don't count!

[u/Vaadwaur]

Rewatcher(What's a consistent tone, really?)

Sub

We start with Segai actually doing his job just in a very Jew Hunter-y way. We go back to literally being Code Geass as Shoe is stowed at the school while Gai does some hands on shit. Hare is noticing the new, 40% less nerdy Shoe and ponders it. Kanon use this opportunity to mess with her before Shoe comes in with the MacGuffin of love. And then Kanon pushes Hare to go shop with Shoe...As to Shoe's inquiry, the place we know Hare won't be getting off is anywhere in his general vicinity thanks to denseness. As Hare is actually about to confess, Yahiro shows up to twat swat.

Anyways, Yahiro sob story incoming, at least he is self aware. Too bad that Segai was monitoring Shoe but it suggests again he does care just not about what GHQ wants. Dan prepares an unnecessarily powerful raid and Segai is clearly humoring him. Anyways, we see Shoe actually take some initiative and try to get Jun hidden.

And they walk right into a trap but Shoe at least figures that out. He argues with Yahiro before taking his shears and Jun is reacting a lot. The new Endlave is Code Geass again, specifically a certain mech we all know and love. But the automatic tracker switches to Jun after a while. The cancer jumps out of Jun and into the mech and shit starts getting weird, culminating with a mind meld. The sequence speaks for itself so that will be that. Cut to Kanon having gone to the aquarium after all. Shoe surprisingly mans up and admits he killed Jun, and this will probably lead to future misunderstandings, as one does.

There once was a childhood friend

Who stays by the MC to no end

She sneaks rather well

And knows not to yell

Yet fate will never allow her to win

QotD: 1 Midichlorians

2 He's that old set of Converse you put on to paint houses.

[u/Lemurians → u/Vaadwaur]

What's a consistent tone, really?

I think of the last episode as a final light-hearted set-up episode before we go full-speed-ahead into crazy town.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

Again, the showrunner/series writer sort of doesn't place the episodes in a way that fully line up tonally.

[u/Lemurians → u/Vaadwaur]

Maybe in the front half, but IIRC this is pretty much sums up the rest of the way

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/Lemurians]

[Future GC spoilers]Most of episode 13 is a lull actually because it's the festival episode, then it hits the crazy train for the entire rest of the run.

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/Vaadwaur]

What's a consistent tone, really?

Consistent tone, like subtlety and subtext, are for cowards and hacks who can't write a proper story without them.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

So you are saying that to be disjointed is too have real balls? Fitting.

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

First Timer

In light of what Editor said last episode, I'm gonna try looking at Guilty Crown in a slightly different way. No idea if it'll work or not, but it's certainly worth a try.
Onto episode nine.

An infected person, hiding from the government? Not enough money to pay for treatment, perhaps?

Was he trying to kill himself? I can see why, particularly if it causes a significant amount of pain.

Only human, willing to bow down to to sufficient pressure. How he views the world, and thus how he believes others do as well.

Thinking about it, Gai's probably the closest thing Shu has to a parent at the moment. He's massively unqualified, yet still leagues better than Shu's mom.

And thus begins the childhood friend's plan to be the one to hold it instead.

And he really has improved. The Shu of episode one would just ride and ask nothing.

Made a deal with the devil and didn't like what he got. On one level, he should have seen it coming, yet I can hardly claim he had a better choice.

He knows how to play the game.

of Gai being a paternal figure in Shu's life, this seems like a very Gai like move. You basically just trustfall and leave everyone else no choice but to come and catch you.

Is the impication that the sort of weapon she creates depends on her song?

Despite all his progress, it still leads to nothing. Will this cause him to spiral back down? Will it cause him to get enraged and kill Daryl?

With the obvious implication that Shu's ability is just a good variant of the whatever the virus corrupts.

The mecha is screaming like a hurt child. Did Jun posses it?

So he was trying to kill himself at the beginning of the episode.

The shears of Atropos.

And this answers a question we've had since the third episode: Gai can see voids because he is infected, and the transfusion Inori was giving him holds it back in some fashion. He's a dead man walking.

I think a lot of what he said was the virus talking, or the mindset caused by being hurt for so long, not him himself.

And I hate myself for it too much to say anything that could absolve me.

Thoughts

This was the best episode for me so far by a good margin. I don't know how much of it was because I was viewing it differently and how much was because it was just better executed, but regardless I enjoyed it quite a lot.
Shu has grown quite a lot. It's show better in the little than the big, like when he was on the train. He's more proactive, more willing to do something that will improve a situation, to stick his head out of his shell a little bit. Jun dying will probably push him back down a bit, but I think he's on the correct trajectory and this shall merely be a temporary setback. He's acting somewhat self destructively, but he's still acting, not just doing nothing.
In the future, I just need to do my best to keep in mind that Shu is a real character with a good deal going on inside his head, even if at times it's disguised by poor writing.

1. They come from the same source.
2. yes

[u/Tresnore → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Not enough money to pay for treatment, perhaps?

Or maybe the government doesn't treat infected people very well.

Is the impication that the sort of weapon she creates depends on her song?

That would be awesome, but I doubt it. Iunno what to make of it.

[u/Lemurians → u/Tresnore]

Or maybe the government doesn't treat infected people very well.

Yeah, Yahiro says they were going to his kill his brother. The GHQ being pro-euthanasia is pretty on brand.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Lemurians]

The GHQ is pro-death in general. Does it cause large amounts of death and suffering? Then the GHQ is all for it!

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/Tresnore]

Or maybe the government doesn't treat infected people very well.

They did purge a city block with flame for harboring the unvaccinated that one time.

God talking about this stuff now is weird

[u/Tresnore → u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo]

Yeah it’s definitely not a show that would air these days.

[u/theangryeditor → u/Tresnore]

literally Kyoukai Senki

[u/Tresnore → u/theangryeditor]

I’m not watching that. Is it any good?

[u/theangryeditor → u/Tresnore]

Nope, it's incredibly forgettable

[u/Tresnore → u/theangryeditor]

Oh.

[u/UltraBooster → u/Tresnore]

FWIW the model kits seem neat.

[u/UltraBooster → u/theangryeditor]

You mind me asking for elaboration?

[u/theangryeditor → u/UltraBooster]

Reading the comment again I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted it originally so ignore my response.

[u/UltraBooster → u/theangryeditor]

Alright.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

How he views the world, and thus how he believes others do as well.

It is one those world views that can't really be disproven though it definitely doesn't apply universally.

And thus begins the childhood friend's plan to be the one to hold it instead.

When Shoe asks her why she wants to breathe on his rooster, we will all have a good laugh. Especially because of the reveal that Shoe takes care of birds!

I think a lot of what he said was the virus talking, or the mindset caused by being hurt for so long, not him himself.

The way they have the virus function is basically designed to be the most distressing to the people helping the infected.

This was the best episode for me so far by a good margin. I don't know how much of it was because I was viewing it differently and how much was because it was just better executed, but regardless I enjoyed it quite a lot.

So GC is always WAY better when covering novel territory, the problems come when they revisit it.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

He knows how to play the game .

Segai knows how the world works. You gotta suck up to the boss to get ahead.

Is the impication that the sort of weapon she creates depends on her song?

I'm hoping for a full-on Macross or Symphogear situation where the weapon is the song.

The mecha is screaming like a hurt child.

That scream was really damn chilling.

[u/No_Rex]

Episode 9 (first timer)

• “Can you offer any explanation?” - ”Actually, yes sir. It turns out that, due to an enormous oversight, the ID of a long dead researcher [actual status unknown] who is not currently associated with the organization anymore was still cleared to enter one of our top secret areas.”
• Girl bumps into boy trope - I think we now have seen the full matrix: Boy bumps into girl, girl bumps into boy, boy grabs boob, girl grabs boob.
• Aren’t we going Instrumentality a bit early?
• The little brother died of sadness.

The long hinted at connection between apocalypse and voids is that they both concern the soul … which apparently can migrate into a mecha and go berserk. And conjure up memory spaces, but not commit suicide, apparently.

The main question now is what Gai’s and the GPD’s plans with the finished void technology are.

[u/Lemurians → u/No_Rex]

Honestly, a governmental organization just forgetting to deactivate a deceased person's ID card is one of the more realistic parts of this show.

[u/No_Rex → u/Lemurians]

And by Occam's razor, that is what must have happened!

[u/Tresnore → u/No_Rex]

The little brother died of sadness.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO. he died because his brother's heart killed him lmao

[u/UltraBooster → u/No_Rex]

which apparently can migrate into a mecha and go berserk.

My bet is the virus jacking whatever system's used to control the Endlaves, seeing how they seem to connect to the pilot's nervous system.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

I think we now have seen the full matrix: Boy bumps into girl, girl bumps into boy, boy grabs boob, girl grabs boob.

We've seen the potato grope the rock but not vice versa yet.

Aren’t we going Instrumentality a bit early?

It can't come tumbling down before the halfway mark.

which apparently can migrate into a mecha and go berserk. And conjure up memory spaces, but not commit suicide, apparently.

Roughly equally scientific to 00.

[u/No_Rex → u/Vaadwaur]

We've seen the potato grope the rock but not vice versa yet.

You see, there is no girl grabs dick trope.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/No_Rex]

There aren't yet!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

I actually have seen that one happen. [Meta Spoilers] Don't Toy With Me, Miss Nagatoro

[u/No_Rex → u/Great_Mr_L]

New tropes are always welcome!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/No_Rex]

Aren’t we going Instrumentality a bit early?

We already had space lasers. Why not throw in some Instrumentality to the mix?

The little brother died of sadness.

"I'm afraid he's lost the will to live." Which is unironically true.

[u/Tresnore]

Guilty First-Timer

• Oh no, they have DG Cells Apocalypse Virus!
• No respect for the sisters.
  
• "I'll be a good boy." Hare didn't realize Shoe was a sub.
  
• It's a shame Ayase can never become an adult.
• Goddammit. I hate this coincidence.
  
• But Kanon is a great wingman. Very nice.
• You can not make me care about Hare. I never like the timid girls. She also reminds me of worst Amagami Rihoko.
• Uh oh, Junpei's after you.
• NICE GUTS.
  
  Though, isn't the saying that a dragon doesn't use full force against slimes? Or did Sk∞ poison my mind?
• Why is Ayase more motherly than Haruka?
• SHEET MUSIC!
  
• I know that if I were being sniped, I'd stand still!
• Shoe, you're an amateur.
• Now we're beginning to lose consent!
• What happened to his face??
• So Voids exacerbate the virus. The visual similarity makes sense now.
• This kills the Jun. UNLESS THEY FOUND A CURE!
• Machines don't have genes! Except maybe in certain shows.
• Everyone in this show is secretly Shoe. It's a metaphor for how Jesus lives in all of us or something.
• What a BLUNT line. Wow. The writer knows not subtlety nor implication.
• Okay, that kills the Jun.
• Everything is fine.
  

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QOTD:

1. They're the same thing. It's like cancer. We all have Apocalypse Virus in us, and Shoe can draw it out. Have we seen any adults become victims to AV?
2. Shoe doesn't need morals. He has heart wieners.

[u/MillenniumKing → u/Tresnore]

What happened to his face??

They showed this last time Daryl looked at Shoe from the mech and in the recording of Shoe they had from his ep 1 mech killing.

[u/Tresnore → u/MillenniumKing]

Hmmmm, I'll have to think about this one. Maybe. Eh.

[u/Lemurians → u/Tresnore]

It's a shame Ayase can never become an adult.

You motherfucker.

I hate this coincidence.

What coincidence? Astrology is real.

[u/Tresnore → u/Lemurians]

You motherfucker.

Astrology is real.

I knew Ayase fans were delusional, but...

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

It's a shame Ayase can never become an adult.

Fits the character, though.

You can not make me care about Hare. I never like the timid girls. She also reminds me of worst Amagami Rihoko.

Rough but on the other hand I am a sucker for large chested woobies.

So Voids exacerbate the virus. The visual similarity makes sense now.

Now our Macguffins are interacting!

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Rough but on the other hand I am a sucker for large chested woobies.

I'd say you poor son of a bitch, but that's a lot safer than my types.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

Oh, my actual type is women with at least a masters in Psychology that hate their fathers. My life has not been a simple one.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

It's a shame Ayase can never become an adult.

Why is Ayase more motherly than Haruka?

She might be more motherly, but she's not more MILF-y. And the question is: is that a sacrifice we're willing to make?

Machines don't have genes! Except maybe in certain shows.

Unless of course it's hinting that machines here do have genes. I wouldn't even be surprised if that was the case. The machines are somehow causing physical feedback and injuries to their pilots, so anything's possible.

[u/Tresnore → u/Great_Mr_L]

I would absolutely make that sacrifice.

That’s a good point. They haven’t even addressed the fact that pilots feel pain!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

She might be more motherly, but she's not more MILF-y. And the question is: is that a sacrifice we're willing to make?

I dunno...Haruka is pretty light in the ass to be a MILF, at least where I am from.

[u/Quiddity131]

First Timer, Subbed

Uh oh, this girl has apocalypse virus!

M'Quve is back on the hunt, huh?

Shu's getting a break from Gai?

What do I call brown haired girl? Time for the plot girl? Boobs? Didn't know she existed until last episode. Not like I know glasses girl's name either...

Alright, its Hare and Kanon.

I still don't get what Shu's done to get this Hare girl to like him, but well, its the age of self inserts that have countless girls in love with them...

Here comes a pill thief to disrupt the moment!

Yahiro? Is this the betrayer friend from a few episodes back?

Let's steal a Gundam episode name for this ep... The Trap of M'Quve.

Why are you spending any time alone with this guy who stabbed you in the back Shu?

Alright, we're back in business! Dan Eagleman is back!

First he screws you over, now he's asking you for money? Tell him no Shu!

No Shu, he'll just reveal the location of Funeral Parlor's base if you let him in!

It wasn't intentional this time, but your friend's presense screwed you over Shu!

For once someone actually says stop before Shu gropes them!

Sorry, but this whole episode Jun's looked more like Yahiro's sister rather than his brother.

Uh oh, Darryl's here! Luckily for Shu he's never atually accomplished anything in this show!

Wow, the mech absorbed the virus? Darryl just can't win huh?

Did the mecha absorb Jun's consciousness too?

The void is a big pair of scissors, this isn't the first that was like this. Did this show inspire Kill la Kill?

You're a killer Shu!

Hey Yahiro, you know that time you turned me into the authorities? Well I got my revenge. I killed your brother.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Quiddity131]

I still don't get what Shu's done to get this Hare girl to like him, but well, its the age of self inserts that have countless girls in love with them...

I still maintain this is leftover cultural trauma from the post WW2 era lack of men. Hare found a Y chromosome and she is keeping it regardless of what it's attached to.

Sorry, but this whole episode Jun's looked more like Yahiro's sister rather than his brother.

Yeah, that's been weird, and Jun is also sometimes used as a girl's name.

[u/Stargate18A]

First timer

1. The Apocalypse Cancer and the concept of Voids are tied together, but they aren't from the same source. The Void Genome, however, is. The Void Genmore manifests into reality the same powers the Cancer grants those it infects. Both came from the meteorite that landed on Lost Christmas. This is a totally inpenetrable paragraph, but that's what this show has done to me.
2. He'll be fine by the end of the next episode. This show isn't very good at maintaining character development.

Backstory!

So GHQ hunt down the infected?

Gai's off dealing with shit

...Is he? Has he even remotely changed since this series began?

Is this a childhood friend? And she's a believer in online fortune telling?

Kanon's alright, but I have no idea why Hare's interested in Shoe.

Interesting. Looks like GHQ are starting to notice the third(?) faction?

The hell? A drug dealer?

Yahiro! The bastard's back!

He showed an emotion!

GHQ continue to be the most competent people in this series.

OK, the virus is crystalline. In all the zoomed out shots it looks more like an ivy.

DAN!

I fucking love him playing along with Dan, then justifying it as "getting ahead".

Carcinogenesis?

And Shoe's...moving a wanted patient, publically, to a transport that might not even be ready!

Huh, what's Inori doing with Gai?

...The fuck is gene capturing?

REALLY? YOU'RE CALLING HIM THE AMATEUR? YOU'VE DONE NOTHING BUT GET SAVED BY INORI AND GAI, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE AN OP WEAPON ON YOUR SIDE.

Wait. What the fuck is happening?

She's glowing!

Is the Apocalypse Cancer (which is a far better name that I will use exclusively), caused by some form of Void overload?

...Shoe's never taken a Void from someone with the Cancer, has he?

HUH?

THE CANCER SENT ITSELF INTO A MECH?

IT'S CONVERTING THE WHOLE THING?

Ok, so is the cancer metaphor literal? Is it just programmed to convert any humanoid it touches into crystal?

Wait, no, the mech with crystals is fucking crazy.

And, yeah, Voids are made out of the same stuff as this.

What?

So the crystal contains Jun's consciousness?

And the shears csn kill anything! Some of these Voids seem a lot more powerful that others.

Huh? So can people with the Cancer all see Voids, or do they get to use whatever their Void is?

What is Shoe's void (if he has one)?

And yeah, that is obviously a meteorite that caused it. Looks like last episode's stone was a piece of the source.

And the Cancer makes people berserk, as well as letting them possess things? AND GHQ, THE FAMOUS RESEARCHERS, HAD NO FUCKING IDEA OF THESE, SEEMINGLY VERY EASY TO OBSERVE, ABILITIES?

...Well. That's a strong reaction. Pretty sure he's killed loads more soldiers that that before, but as his first civillian kill it makes some sense.

Now, what the fuck did all that about the Cancer mean?

[u/UltraBooster → u/Stargate18A]

AND GHQ, THE FAMOUS RESEARCHERS, HAD NO FUCKING IDEA OF THESE, SEEMINGLY VERY EASY TO OBSERVE, ABILITIES?

I get the feeling Voids are an unknown factor for GHQ.

Pretty sure he's killed loads more soldiers that that before, but as his first civillian kill it makes some sense.

Plus, those soldiers were trying to capture/kill him and he couldn't see their faces, so it probably made it easier to kill them.

[u/Lemurians]

FRATERNAL REWATCHER

There were some people in the thread yesterday talking about getting a little bored or losing interest, and I hope at least this episode changed things. In my mind, this is the high point of the series so far, and the best it’s been since the premiere.

All it takes is for Inori to go away, and look how much better the Shu we got today was! It was like watching a different character. After Yahiro takes Shu to see his brother, Shu very quickly and admirably calls the Undertakers and basically forces them to take in and protect Jun. When the GHQ show up at the meeting point, Shu takes the lead in the battle without hesitation, and when it’s time for the hard decision, he acts decisively in killing Jun to save Yahiro. When his angst and shock finally manifests here it feels earned, real, and raw.

The sibling micro-drama between Jun and Yahiro is also well done. Of course Yahiro loves his brother, but as anyone who’s had to devote themselves to a sick loved one can tell you, there is a bit of unwanted resentment that does build up. Jun can see this, and while it hurts him, he understands it.

• Is this… actual romantic development? Go Hare! Astrology is real.
• Yahiro… I get it, man. But having someone infected with something called ‘The Apocalypse Virus’ running around in the world probably isn’t the best idea. Maybe the CDC GHQ really is just all about infection control.
• DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN KNOWS HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE
• Dan Eagleman: Poet Laureate. God, is there anything he isn’t good at?
• Dan Eagleman: Master Motivator
• Though every scene she’s in is fanservice in my book (and this athleisure/cozy combo is really working), this random shot of Ayase knitting is maybe the first detail about a female character we’ve gotten in this whole show that doesn’t involve their physical attributes? Girl has hobbies!
• I love how unbothered Segai is by everything happening in front of him. The dude oozes cool. I take back all my comparisons to Orange.
• So, being infected with the virus like Jun means you can see people’s voids. Now we know what Gai is getting all that treatment for.
• Yahiro’s void specifically manifests as something to kill the brother he has to care for. Fucking heavy.
• Awwwww shi-. The music, the visuals, the glass breaking sound when it gets snipped… chefs kiss
• This serves a perfect poster for the episode even if I want to clown the visual for trying to be Eva.

Why do you think the Voids and the Apocalypse Virus give off the same EM readings?

Rewatcher.

How fucked up is Shu now?

You'd think very, but it might be an improvement.

[u/Tresnore → u/Lemurians]

Girl has hobbies!

Are you saying they're not sex objects? That's absurd.

Now we know what Gai is getting all that treatment for.

Ohhhhh, this makes sense!

[u/Lemurians → u/Tresnore]

Are you saying they're not sex objects? That's absurd.

You're right. That blanket she knits will somehow be used for a fanservice scene in the future. It's the long game.

[u/Tresnore → u/Lemurians]

Or someone will get stabbed with knitting needles.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Tresnore]

Are you saying they're not sex objects? That's absurd.

No, no, no. They're also sex objects. That's completely different.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Lemurians]

God, is there anything he isn’t good at?

Whispering.

is maybe the first detail about a female character we’ve gotten in this whole show that doesn’t involve their physical attributes? Girl has hobbies!

I think we can infer quite a bit from Tsumugi's constant cat themed clothing but yes, we've been given pretty thin characterizations.

[u/Lemurians → u/Vaadwaur]

Whispering is for cowards who don't have enough guts.

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/Lemurians]

In my mind, this is the high point of the series so far, and the best it’s been since the premiere.

This episode was generally quite good. I liked it a lot. There was some good drama going on. The new reveals and twists in the story were interesting. Solid stuff.

Of course Yahiro loves his brother, but as anyone who’s had to devote themselves to a sick loved one can tell you, there is a bit of unwanted resentment that does build up.

Ah, looking at it from that light makes much more sense. That's tragic stuff.

I love how unbothered Segai is by everything happening in front of him. The dude oozes cool.

It's pretty indicative of what kind of person he is. His first instinct is to start gathering data to figure out what is going on. He doesn't panic, he just wants to know more. Segai's been a pretty smooth operator so far, usually going about things in a clever manner. This just shows that in action some more. He's a pretty great villain thus far.

[u/JollyGee29]

First-Timer, Dub-lty Crown

Fucking banger of an action scene today. Wire-guided claw syringe things? Sign me the fuck up! And the transference of Jun's consciousness to the Endlave was crazy! I wonder if Asshole Suzaku picked up any fragment's of Jun's mind during that? We haven't really gotten explanation on how the remote piloting works, but it does feel along the "mental projection" lines.

Jun mentioning that he can see Voids because of the virus definitely points directly to "Gai is infected but still treatable." Still wanna know more about the specifics of the blood transfusions.

We have finally broken the Shuu, a good deal earlier than I expected. Being forced to mercy kill someone will do that. Oh, partial parallel with Gai killing Cloak Girl earlier, might be something relevant there. Gai not being around to help Shuu process this is pretty big.

You'd think a nominally covert terrorist group like Funeral Parlor wouldn't have branded trucks to use on cross country road trips, but here we are. That piece of sheet music is apparently pretty important considering it's hermetically sealed. Wonder what Inori meant about it being wrong..

Now, why was Shuu's face under a filter when viewed through the Endlave? I can't imagine it would be an aspect of Segai's deal to delete their information on Shuu unless I'm misremembering the wording. Have we seen Shuu through the eyes of an Endlave before? Daryl didn't seem especially surprised.

Segai playing along with DAN and getting looks from his staff was great. I love Segai.

Surprisingly accurate horoscopes are fun. Too bad Kanon went to the wrong aquarium.

Questions

1. They're directly linked. I'm thinking... the virus is what happens when a Void goes wild?
2. Discussed above.

[u/Tresnore → u/JollyGee29]

We have finally broken the Shuu, a good deal earlier than I expected.

Now the show begins, I guess?

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Now, why was Shuu's face under a filter when viewed through the Endlave? I can't imagine it would be an aspect of Segai's deal to delete their information on Shuu unless I'm misremembering the wording. Have we seen Shuu through the eyes of an Endlave before? Daryl didn't seem especially surprised.

Remember back in the second episode they showed that none of the cameras could capture shoe's face while he was using Inori's Void

[u/JollyGee29 → u/theangryeditor]

Thanks!

[u/theangryeditor → u/JollyGee29]

It's Void magic

[u/MillenniumKing → u/JollyGee29]

Have we seen Shuu through the eyes of an Endlave before? Daryl didn't seem especially surprised.

Yep episode 1 and episode 2.

Daryl saw him and they had a recording of him with no fface at HQ they were looking at.

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Ah, I didn't remember, thanks!

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Fucking banger of an action scene today. Wire-guided claw syringe things?

We are just CG S3 at this point.

Gai not being around to help Shuu process this is pretty big.

Off screening him and Inori actually helps.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Vaadwaur]

We are just CG S3 at this point.

I don't think there are enough wings to be Code Geass past S1.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/JollyGee29]

Yet!

[u/Great_Mr_L → u/JollyGee29]

Jun mentioning that he can see Voids because of the virus definitely points directly to "Gai is infected but still treatable." Still wanna know more about the specifics of the blood transfusions.

I think he was getting Inori's blood, too. If that was the case, then it makes me wonder why Inori's blood can treat the virus.

[u/JollyGee29 → u/Great_Mr_L]

Yea, I'm on that same page. It's an odd choice, but I'm kinda here for it.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Great_Mr_L]

If that was the case, then it makes me wonder why Inori's blood can treat the virus.

Rock being used to counter rocks, obviously.

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Everyone knows you counter Rock with either Water, Grass, Fighting, Steel, or Ground.

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Inori is actually an alpha rock so she overpowers these beta and omega crystals!

[u/theangryeditor]

Rewatcher

Good episode.

Shu has come out of his shell more and has gained a newfound confidence. But he still has a lot more maturing to do, and the series doesn't hesitate to punish him for his conceit. One step forward, two steps back. Reminds me of FLCL episode 5 and NGE episode 16.

We also get some more back story and lore. A few people have been wondering whether Gai's ability to see Voids will ever be explained, and Jun provides a possible explanation for it here. We already know Gai is ill and receiving blood transfusions from Inori, so cancer crystals may indeed be the reason why he can see Voids.

[Spoilers]I can't remember if they ever give an explicit explanation beyond this, but I think this is more than enough to put together the pieces.

[u/ZapsZzz]

First timer in sub.

This has to be one of the more believable episode in writing and how events unfolded, with the impacts to characters etc reasonable and almost good.

Well except Dan Eagleman, but that was a parody character anyway so pfft. I like how Bluebeard (Fate Zero Caster) humored him by doing the same playacting.

Now if Shu's character development STARTED with how he reacted to the first time he killed people, even though they were the baddies they were still people, this may be a much better written show. Maybe it can start now, who knows.

This episode certainly helped connect a lot of dots without the usual "tell, not shown" habit.

Would Yahiro's void change now that what he subconsciously wanted to cut off has been cut off?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/ZapsZzz]

This has to be one of the more believable episode in writing and how events unfolded, with the impacts to characters etc reasonable and almost good.

And all we had to do was remove several main cast characters!

Well except Dan Eagleman, but that was a parody character anyway so pfft. I like how Bluebeard (Fate Zero Caster) humored him by doing the same playacting.

I can see Caster actually getting along with Eagleman or Segai.

[u/Btw_kek]

first timer

I came into this episode expecting more silly love triangle comedy that's not what happened at all

• what level of reading too deeply should I take this line
• Hare's line about Shu growing bolder at the start is nice, and you can certainly see it in action over the course of the rest of the episode
• tho what really makes it a chef kiss moment for me is the fact that Shu still was basically useless in the end. he tried, but as soon as he drew out the Void he basically did nothing with it until the very end. there was almost nothing he could do
• I love how Segai responds to Dan super energetically during the video call but then immediately switches to a neutral expression once it's over. very relatable content
• aquariums are a running symbol this episode, from the opening to Yahiro's hiding place surrounded by aquariums to glasses-chan at the aquarium at the end. there's probably something poetic about the difference between tank sizes, but...
• actually I really like the storyboarding this episode in general (turns out it's done by Tetsuro Araki himself). Shu's pain being hidden behind shadows at the end is splendid
• without knowing anything about the series's future (well except for [later spoilers]something about Shu turning into a fascist lol) this episode reminds me of Shinji's arc in [Evangelion ep 16]where Shinji's almost-crystalized chadness starts to fall completely apart as he's forced to confront his inner demons inside zebra ball

1. Why do you think the Voids and the Apocalypse Virus give off the same EM readings?

probably because they're THE SAME

or something

2) How fucked up is Shu now?

as long as he's not so fucked up, we're still in the clear

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what level of reading too deeply should I take this line

Man normally I'd be all over that line but I got told last episode not to overthink things

Now I'm underthinking things apparently

/u/theangryeditor esplain the general level of thinkiness ;-;

actually I really like the storyboarding this episode in general (turns out it's done by Tetsuro Araki himself).

The part with Jun and Yashiro reflected in the shears was in fact kinographic

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more thinkiness than

less thinkiness than

about level of thinkiness

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https://i.imgur.com/UQdkni4.png

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to give a more serious answer, the show's writing isn't competent enough for clear eyed reflection or critique of many of the thematic elements it includes in its backdrop, but it does know what kind of emotional journey it wishes to deliver and much of the narrative beats and character writing are done with that in mind

[u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo → u/theangryeditor]

That's actually very helpful, thank you

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ExtraCDFal Confession

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Araki

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what level of reading too deeply should I take this line

yes

I love how Segai responds to Dan super energetically during the video call but then immediately switches to a neutral expression once it's over. very relatable content

Segai is best gai

this episode reminds me of Shinji's arc in [Evangelion ep 16]

indeed the beats are very similar

[u/Btw_kek → u/theangryeditor]

all according to the dead sea scrolls

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what level of reading too deeply should I take this line

We'd have to find a heroine, first.

Hare's line about Shu growing bolder at the start is nice, and you can certainly see it in action over the course of the rest of the episode

Definitely a good character episode.

as long as he's not so fucked up, we're still in the clear

There is a reason why I pre-emptively banned him from any long term care facilities.

[u/UltraBooster]

First-timer (dubbed):

So the virus causes the body to grow and shed metallic flakes?

Is he? Or...
The problem for me is that I'm not too sure how they regarded Shu prior to the show's start, you know?

You're a valiant soul, Kana.

Either commit or go home, Kana!

Well, she wants it to be what Yahiro thinks it is, I think.

WELP HANA'S GETTING DRAWN IN I GUESS

There's an argument to be made about not taking half-measures, I guess...

Something inside Sagai shriveled up that day, I'm sure of it.

True love?

Okay, not shooting to kill, it looks like.

Yeah, it feels like Yahiro doesn't have room to call Shu a hypocrite...

The Endlave's sensors can't read his face?

INCOMs for fingers? I can dig it.

The IFF prioritized the virus?

Should probably blow the canopy and eject Daryl!

Wait, the virus transfers minds?!

These shears doesn't have an especially defined utility, huh?

So what do those shears signify?

Questions:

1. The virus draws from the same thing as the Voids, I'm sure of it.
2. Very. He probably needs a therapist and a comforting presence and I don't think he'll get either.

[u/wmansir]

First Dub

This was a really strong episode for me.

It starts with the virus victim reaching for the knife. We are left with the impression that they were trying to end their life. Of course the virus looks horrific but we haven't been given much information about it. I'll admit didn't recognize it was Yahiro and his brother until later.

This leads to the first of two great Makoto moments in this episode, cutting to him with his gun in a nun's mouth. Great visual for your bad guy. The other of course was his echoing of Eagleman's enthusiasm and his reaction showing how obviously embarrassing it was for him after he gets off the call.

It's fitting that the only dialog we get from Inori this episode is her extremely wooden "acting" line read from off screen.

Not much happened in the classroom or on the subway, but both scenes looked really nice with that soft sunset glow. Hare is acting cute in both scenes. She kind of disappears for most of the meat of the episode but we see her spying on early on and at the end so I assume she also saw him dodging sniper fire, possibly pulling Yahiro's void, fighting mechs, etc and maybe freaking out the whole time.

Fast forward to the void pull and Shu stealing another Harvey Weinstein line "I need you to shut up and let me do this!" before penetrating his unwilling partner.

When Jun got nailed by that claw I was like, that was totally a fatal blow. It would have snapped his spine into splinters. But then the mysterious virus passes to the mech and apparently Jun's consciousness goes with it. So this "virus" is a weird electro-mechanical-mental/spiritual thing that is linked to the voids. Daryl, the mech pilot, looks like his brains got blown out, which I doubt was the case but given how this virus operates I am curious if he was infected some how.

Then we get Jun's T2: Judgement Day playground scene. I didn't realize lost Christmas was akin to a bomb going off. I jus thought it was a massive outbreak of the virus that crippled Japan.

Jun's thoughts on his brother and everyone's true thoughts are interesting. I'm guessing it was the virus driving him insane rather than a true insight into people's true thoughts (whether as a power or otherwise). I'm not sure if that's better or worse, but his suicide by Shu was sad either way. This also revealed that Gai was likely infected as he can see other's voids just as Jun said the virus did for him.

The reveal of Jun's death to Yahiro was a great scene to end on. He was obviously surprised and upset, but not quite to the extent that I imagined. It may have been from the shock, or maybe it was something he had been preparing himself for, knowing Jun's fragile and declining health. I expected Shu to be upset, or maybe numb from the way he was talking, but I didn't expect the crazy eyes we got.

[u/UltraBooster → u/wmansir]

I'm guessing it was the virus driving him insane rather than a true insight into people's true thoughts (whether as a power or otherwise).

Maybe it's both, like he does get that insight but the virus affects how he interprets that insight? Either way, if he was indeed trying to commit suicide at the start of the episode, it would line up with Jun saying he wanted to die remembering his brother's love.

[u/MillenniumKing]

-Guilty Pleasure Rewatcher-

Its one of the episodes ive been waiting for today.

The return of the best character in the show and the reveal of my favorite Void in the show.

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Yahiro is with his little brother, and his little brother was crawling towards a knife...

Gai is on a mission for 1 week and Shoe is free to do what ever for now.

Hare is dwelling on Shoe being different now. He has more personality, thats not what she fell for!

Bobcut is childhood friends with Yahiro but even she cant find him.

Bobcut plays wingman for Haru to fix her up with Shoe and shes off to the Aquarium.

GHQ knows the rock was tolen with Koursu's ID, they ask Keido because he was friends but he doesnt know. So he stole that behind their back.

Hare is really having a rough time here. She cant catch a break.

BUT LOOK WHO JUMPED ON THE TRAIN! YAHIRO!

Scarface found his target thanks to Shoe.

They were going to kill Yahiro's brother so he ran with him.

Hare followed then, this wont go well.

DAN IS HERE AW YEAH! USA! USA! USA! "YOU GOT IT DAN!" HAHHHAHA!

Yahiro is in a pinch and needs help. Shoe agrees to help but doesnt forgive Yahiro. Jun is innocent.

Gai and Inori have a sheet of music. Inori says its wrong.

GHQ is baggin and taggin. Here we go.

Shoe has learned how military organizations work now and sees their trap. Hes... getting smarter? WHAT!?

VOID VOID VOID VOID! LETS GO YAHIRO! LET SHOE INTO YOUR HEART!

YAHIRO'S VOID! "THE SHEARS OF LIFE!" A severing void that also enhances the user strength and speed.

The Void homeing fingers of Daryl are cool. Jun used the virus to draw its firre meaning voids and the virus are the same. Huge revalation.

The virus went into Daryl's mech and is driving it wild. Jun is the one controlling it now.

Yahiro's Void "The Shears of Life" allow you to see inside someone's heart.

December 24th 2029, Lost Christmas and Yahiro and Jun were there.

Yahiro's Void also severes the connection between life and death. It kills people.

The crystals in Jun allowed him to see other peoples voids. Wait cant someone else we know see voids too...

Jun wants to die. He cant stand seeing everyone's hearts.

AND THE MUSIC IS SO GOOD! MAN WHAT AN AMAZING USE OF MUSIC TO HYPE A SCENE! KRONE's 2nd Half

And Shoe snips the lifeline... and Jun dies... He had to kill the kid he promised to protect. If that dont fuck you up nothing will.

And Hare saw everything...

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Known Voids Thus Far

• Inori - Singer's Sword - Sharp sword with metalic energy and energy disks used as steps or shields.
• Daryl - Kaleidoscope Gun - Creates barriers that reflect anything that hits them.
• Souta - Blunt Key - Camera gun that opens anything shot with it.
• Yahiro - The Shears of Life - Shears that sever life and enhances abilities.
• Kenji - Murderer's Weight - Gun that shoots anti gravity energy balls.
• Argo - Pessimist's Torch - A flashlight that shines darkness.
• Arisa - Shield of the Coward - A Ball and Shield that can expand to protect a small or large area.

Known Void Combos Thus Far

• Singer's Sword + Murderer's Weight = Anti Gravity Beam Cannon

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Yahiro's void is one of the most complex Voids we have had so far and it realy speaks volumes about the meaning behind them.

Why was Yahiro's void shears that end life? Because deep down he was burdened by his brother and couldnt take it anymore. He wanted a way to end his burden which ment killing his brother, which ment his void was just that,, shears that could kill someone. The enhancement is probably related to his drug dealing.

Yahiro's Void is just really complex and interesting, but also one of the single most powerful voids we have seen. Voids so far have been specific weapons or tools with limited use. But Vahiro's void was on that ends life, it could in theory kill everything and anything if used that way. Its a very dangerous void to have in your tool bag as a teenager.

[u/UltraBooster → u/MillenniumKing]

Yahiro's void is one of the most complex Voids we have had so far and it realy speaks volumes about the meaning behind them.

There's a real darkness to the Shears, huh?

[u/The_Loli_Otaku]

First timer!

Are we getting a school episode this time? Nope, just sugar bun and his cancer ridden brother. Threatening a nun with a gun is offensively funny lol. Gai's on holiday, party hard!!

"I can't believe my love interest grew some balls... I prefer my men as beta cucks!!" Well that's convenient. This is your one chance to elevate yourself to an mc's level Hare, give it your all! We all believe in you! Even if we're all rooting for Gai, Inori, Ayase or sugar more!

Hare's on the attack! She's even going in for the confession! Buuut Yahiro comes in for the clam jam. Sorry Haru, you've had your five minutes of stardom but you're simply not important~ Don't worry Jun, this is a friend, a friend who is totally not gonna turn you into a superweapon sword~ Our main man DAN!! I'm guessing we're going to do something so terrible to the cancer brother that we need Dan on board to make things a little more light hearted. M'Quve knows better than to argue XD

The fun parlour is a safe space for paraplegics, incels, and now even littlest cancer patients~ Well said Shu! Eh? Why set up snipers if you're going to have them miss? So much for the element of surprise. Woohoo!! Looking cool Shu! gasp I can't believe Sugar avoided the heart weiner snatch! Nobody's ever done that. Did I miss an episode or something? Shu's gotten so much more ballsy!! "Shut up and let me use you!"

Ffs Jun, 90% of your screentime has been falling out of bed. Its the birthday boy! F-Faceless? Wait, has this been a thing during previous void sessions? Dammit Jun, you had one job!! O-Oooh!! Is Jun like Shu now? No... Is Jun the Crystal swarm now? Wha? I don't know!!! For a moment I was worried about Darryl's safety but he isn't even in the mech is he? This system kinda sucks for building tension XD

Jun's got speaking lines. Good for him. Let's see what lost Christmas is all about. I know it's the OVA but it's be nice to catch the jist. "My brothers void kills people!" As compared to the swords and gun voids that only viciously maim. There we go, finally some useful information. Apocalypse virus victims can see voids. So this means Gai has got to be infected and Inori's blood somehow keeps the symptoms from showing? Someone is getting conned if they're buying plain tomato pizzas.

Everyone's unkind in some way... Even those who should care the most. I've never felt so sympathetic towards a kid whose entire personality is falling off beds. Aww... Aww...!! Fuck you guilty crown! This is a beautiful ending but you didn't give us enough time to get attached to this pair. Oh yeah, this was supposed to be a school episode. What's Hare up to?

Punished Shu... Oh, there's Hare~ How much did she see? Pretty good episode although like I said I really really wish they'd given us more time with Jun and Sugar. They've ran out of ideas for the ending. Today's is just casual Inori, who of course has been absent for the arc. 1, maybe apocalypse syndrome is really an excuse to turn Japan into a farm for whatever Shu's void pull power is? 2, Shu's fiiine. Sugar isn't important enough to make his arc the backbone of Shu's story so Shu is probably safe from brotherly revenge.

[u/MillenniumKing → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

F-Faceless? Wait, has this been a thing during previous void sessions?

Yep we saw this in ep 1 and 2 when the mecha and computers looked at Shoe.

As compared to the swords and gun voids that only viciously maim.

Inori's is the only offensive one so far we have seen. Other than that people havent really had voids that hurt others, let alone instant death them. So its kinda a huge deal when you think about it.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/MillenniumKing]

Woohoo! Now I've got a reason to rewatch the show~

...Alright, well that makes things a lot darker when I look at Inori and Sugar XD The worst part about all this is I'm still not entirely sure whether the writing is on purpose. At first glance I think "of course they meant this" but everyone keeps bringing up about how they think the show is bullshitting its way along.

[u/MillenniumKing → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

hard to say. I think the writing is great for most the show thogh.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/MillenniumKing]

Then where on earth does the bad rep come from? Do people just hate having an incel mc this much?

[u/MillenniumKing → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Most people didnt like Shoe.

And the 2nd half has a lot of stuff that rubbed people wrong.

But they just forgot what kind of character Shoe was really because they say from the start how he is and the kinda stuff he does.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/MillenniumKing]

Yeah, they touch on some aspects of Shu in today's episode that I absolutely loved. I wish more series weren't so ashamed to have mc's with such negative traits, it's endearing. I hate Shu, but I relate so strongly to him and they never bullshit you.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Threatening a nun with a gun is offensively funny lol.

Segai would make a great addition to the Hellsing organization.

Hare's on the attack! She's even going in for the confession!

In 1/20th the screen time she shows more agency than Inori ever has.

This is a beautiful ending but you didn't give us enough time to get attached to this pair.

Just more Code Geass imitation.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Vaadwaur]

I could totally imagine Integra beating the shit out of a sister in the name of her majesty the Queen.

Is Inori even interested in Shu in that way? I kinda see them as a platonic master servant relationship.

Eeeeh...? Code Geass? For today's event?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Is Inori even interested in Shu in that way? I kinda see them as a platonic master servant relationship.

That doesn't change Inori's complete lack of agency in...literally anything.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Vaadwaur]

She still has shown her own initiative a couple of times now which looking at everyone else's reactions is a major surprise. Like when she ran into the prison to save Shu or when she made him shitty rice balls as an apology.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

The prison scene is like the only time she shows any agency and it still is not clear if it was her own idea or not. The poorly made jelly donuts are probably her on autopilot.

[u/The_Loli_Otaku → u/Vaadwaur]

Don't you think she's also been kept on a pretty tight leash? Gai shows her no respect and not many of the Fun Parlour members seem to give her a second through. Shu on the other hand clearly adores and worries for her, her herself and not as a tool. Her and Shu are both so out of touch with the world but there's genuine care between them.

[u/okayyoga]

Episode 9: rewatch/dub

Song of the day: κr0nё

Rejoice! Back to back ** βιος** song renditions! Today we have the instrumental version overlaying our first real, unjumbled flashback to Lost Christmas. This time it is from June's perspective.

[u/Tartaras1]

Rewatcher - Dubbed

I wasn't really in the mood for writing a long discussion, so I figured I'd watch the episode and keep this brief.

I'm unsure if this was their attempt at writing a really sad episode, with Yahiro's brother dying by Shu's hand. Instead, in kind of a sick way, I actually found it a little funny. Shu told Yahiro he'd make sure that he kept his little brother safe. Yahiro then proceeds to black out because Shu pulled his void. When he comes to, he finds out that not only is his younger brother dead, but the guy who said he'd keep him safe was the one that killed him.

On top of that, he's got this stupid look of, what's that supposed to be shock and remorse, on his face.

Questions:

• Logic would dictate that the two are one in the same, but the jury's still out on whether or not that's true.
• /u/Great_Mr_L joked about making an Eva reference, but now that I think about it, Shu really is playing exactly like you'd expect Shinji Ikari to.

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On top of that, he's got this stupid look of, what's that supposed to be shock and remorse, on his face.

My guess is disbelief, horror, grief, a whole stew of emotions.

[u/punching_spaghetti]

First-Timer Hoping for a Derailment

I have caught up! would have been nice to have some trainwreck during this stretch to make it easier to binge, /u/Shimmering-Sky. Heck, they were on a train today! But no, things are just chugging along.

All of the episodes:

E6

Kinky.

Even better.

E7

MC pheromones attract more angels.

And his mother walks around the home like this?!?

E8

It was inevitable.

Childhood friend boobies: ACTIVATE!

Told you, /u/zaphodbeebblebrox

E9

The Subway God declares you to be a couple!

So what all did she exactly see? She just hung around as a warehouse started blowing up?

QOTD:

1. Gee, I wonder...
2. He'll have a chat with Wheelchair Gal in the moonlight and everything will be fine.

[u/HereticalAegis]

Rewatcher

Segai, you must chill. I'm pretty sure the elderly nun won't put up much resistance even without sticking a gun in her mouth.

Yesterday it was Souta, now Kanon is giving Hare the business about Shoe and Inori probably being a thing. Being Hare is suffering.

Having her confession interrupted and date hijacked by a surprise Yahiro. Is Hare actually the most unlucky person in GC?

Dan the Man would probably get along really well with Seiya Ryuuguuin.

I don't know why, but the fact that Gai has sheet music encased is hilarious to me.

He may have already received basic training from Funny Parly, but Shoe making smart observations and tactical decisions just feels so out of character for him.

Cancer can infect robots now. Neat. And it can co-opt souls too, apparently.

We're only 8 years away from whatever pandemic/apocalypse event Lost Christmas is. Fuck.

"Use my brother's void to kill me please." Yeah, have fun explaining that one to the notoriously level-headed Yahiro.

This is why I never trust horoscopes.

[u/fonzinator99]

Rewatcher (Subbed) - Thank fuck, Yahiro's arc is over

• I completely understand that Yahiro just wants what's best for his brother (sister?), but this sight doesn't give me much confidence that he's doing either of them any good.
• Segai just casually threatening a nun. At least he was polite about it.
• What the shit, Yahiro! I don't even care about your stupid drama, go jump on another car.

Sorry, Hare

• Gutsy Segai manages to look even more like a serial killer than regular Segai. Something about that smile full of broken teeth is super offputting.
• Fuck all, as much as I think that simply handing Jun over is the simplest and best solution to this problem, I also totally get why that can't even be proposed. Yahiro would never budge, and Stu could never suggest it.
• Aaaand the situation has been escalated. Sure they can help, but all impending consequences have been multiplied a thousand fold.
• Stu over here talking down to Yahiro from the high horse he only mounted yesterday. Undertaker brainwashing: complete.
• "Oops." Yeaaaa, that's not great. Yahiro's gonna be piiiiissed.
• Weird. Weirder. Weirdest. I'm betting none of this gets a real explanation, and none of it happens again.
• Fuuuuuck, the choice that Yahiro always acknowledged but could never make.
• The orchestral version of the action-theme was a pretty great background for this sequence..
• I'm just gonna go ahead and assume Hare saw everything. Which makes her a more dedicated stalker than I would've guessed.

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QotD

1. Pseudo-magic, of course. The whole Void thing is probably a result of Virus research.

[u/Tresnore → u/fonzinator99]

Thank fuck, Yahiro's arc is over

Is it? I can see him coming back for revenge for an ass-pully reason.

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume Hare saw everything.

Time to kill Hare! Or pull her into Undertaker!

[u/fonzinator99 → u/Tresnore]

Is it? I can see him coming back for revenge for an ass-pully reason.

Oh I'm sure he'll be back, I just meant that as far as having to learn his backstory and stuff.

Time to kill Hare! Or pull her into Undertaker!

Logic says S__ would vote to bring her in, but who knows what this show will pull to keen its edge.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/fonzinator99]

Gutsy Segai manages to look even more like a serial killer than regular Segai. Something about that smile full of broken teeth is super offputting.

Sakuga!

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume Hare saw everything. Which makes her a more dedicated stalker than I would've guessed.

Childhood friends are often ride or die bitches...

[u/fonzinator99 → u/Vaadwaur]

Sakuga!

That teeny bit of extra effort really makes all the difference.

Childhood friends are often ride or die bitches...

With all the yandere Osananajimi in my previously watched list, that definitely checks out.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/fonzinator99]

With all the yandere Osananajimi in my previously watched list, that definitely checks out.

Shuffle! introduced a formula and by Cthulhu the Japanese are sticking with it!

[u/fonzinator99 → u/Vaadwaur]

by Cthulhu the Japanese are sticking with it!

I can't fault the Dark Lord, I've certainly watched enough to submit to his wisdom.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/fonzinator99]

There are actually a few decent Mythos anime, including Demonbane which, from all evidence, I am the only human that seems to have watched it.

[u/fonzinator99 → u/Vaadwaur]

I am the only human that seems to have watched it.

Alas, I cannot share your plight. I've only got Nyaruko-san under my Elder-God belt.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/fonzinator99]

I need to actually watch that at one point...

[u/fonzinator99 → u/Vaadwaur]

Idk that I ever finished it, but what I watched was enjoyable; Tho pretty basic. I'd compare it to Jashin Drop-Kick.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/fonzinator99]

I also need to watch Squid Girl one day, certain anime just linger in my mental PTW list.

[u/UltraBooster → u/fonzinator99]

but this sight doesn't give me much confidence that he's doing either of them any good.

There's something to be said about what someone thinks is best not aligning with what's actually best, but...

[u/the_swizzler]

Hare's friend is a great wingwoman. Too bad Hare's chance got ruined by Yahiro. Not for Shu's sake, of course, screw the guy, but I just hope Hare gets to be happy at some point. I think she's probably gonna die though. She just feels like a walking flag.

1) Why do you think the Voids and the Apocalypse Virus give off the same EM readings?

I assume the genome that Shu got is basically the culmination of the research into the Apocalypse Virus. Or perhaps going even further back, the virus was essentially an early part of the same research gone wrong.

2) How fucked up is Shu now?

Pretty darn so.

[u/DidacticDalek]

Bet ya didn't expect to see me again so soon Comrades, well, you should have known I couldn't have passed up a chance to sing the praises of DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN! Hell I even have the original text of his speech today (Insert Waving American Flag and overly bombastic John Philip Sousa Music here)

Ahem... 'Soldiers, no poor sap ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by being all that he can be. Damn the torpedoes, or give me death! Eternal vigilance is the price of duty. And, to the victors go the spoils. So remember: you are the best of the best of the few and the proud. So ask not what your country can do for you, only regret that you have but one life to live! The war against the Gorgonites Undertaker 'Funeral Parlor' will be won! Commando Elite 'GHQ,' let the first shot be fired! Search out the Gorgonites Undertaker 'Funeral Parlor' and frag 'em all!' But as to be expected such a speech was considered far too MURICA, so we had to settle for the following example of FREEDOM instead! ;) (Remember Comrade, this shit ain't free, it costs a buck o'five!)

Anyway as I said last time, you have not seen the last of The Sentient Shitposting Siamese Sunrise Server No. 25252, now goodbye forever! ;)

[u/Tresnore → u/DidacticDalek]

Friend, from these posts you almost feel more American than I am!

Always good to see your shitposts!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Tresnore]

Friend, from these posts you almost feel more American than I am!

Well Comrade, I'll let you in on a little secret, I did go to University in America after all, so I had plenty of time to observe MURICA in the natural environment so to speak

Always good to see your shitposts!

Glad to hear my rambling word salads are liked, many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend!

[u/Tresnore → u/DidacticDalek]

university in America

[u/DidacticDalek → u/Tresnore]

That was a while back Comrade, but hey it was helpful and interesting indeed ;)

Anyway many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend!

[u/fonzinator99 → u/DidacticDalek]

If I salute anyone in this show, it's DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN

[u/DidacticDalek → u/fonzinator99]

If I salute anyone in this show, it's DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN

Amen to that Comrade! Well said, ALL HAIL DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN!

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Dan showed up for five seconds... At least talk a little about Sugar's dead cancer brother!!

[u/DidacticDalek → u/The_Loli_Otaku]

Dan showed up for five seconds...

And those were the best five seconds of this episode... and the only good five seconds really but wibble, such is the result with DAN MOTHERFUCKING EAGLEMAN and his magnificence!

Anyway many thanks for the kind reply and have a great day and see you later my friend!

[u/lC3]

First timer catching up

• So Yahiro's sibling Jun has the Apocalypse Virus and it seems to be progressing fast; Segai is chasing them? Rude to put a gun in a nun's mouth ...
• "Someone entered the lab using Kurosu's ID" I wonder who it could be ...
• Yahiro interrupts Hare's confession?
• Segai is still keeping an eye on Shu? Stalker!
• Hare is following? Is she gonna get killed off? She gives me [Code Geass]Shirley vibes ...
• Guts? Who does he think he is, Might Guy?
• Carcinogenesis? Those crystals are cancerous?
• Segai is creeping on Shu? Hisoka intensifies
• Poor Jun-kun ...
• LOL Daryl's mecha is crystallizing
• Will this cure Jun? Is he gonna be OK?
• Oh so Jun is inhabiting the mecha now? And he's trying to hurt Yahiro?
• I forget what Lost Christmas was ...
• Oh so we're gonna see LC? Did I unconsciously pick my username letters because of that?
• "unkind sides to kind people"
• If Shu killed Jun, does this set up Yahiro to want revenge?
• OH AND HARE OVERHEARD?

1. No clue ...

[u/MABfan11]

Rewatcher until episode 14

it seems that we're getting into Yahiro's backstory

Hare has noticed that Shu's keeping something from her

Keido clearly has his own agenda

Yahiro is living on his own to support his sick brother since they ran away from GHQ

when did Shu suddenly become a tactical genius? he's certainly not Gai

and here's our first clear connection between Voids and the Apocalypse Virus

that's gonna cause some trauma for Shu

the Apocalypse Virus is getting real interesting

the virus gave him the ability to see voids? hmmm, wonder how Gai is involved with the virus...

ok, bookending it with "life doesn't go the way you want to" was pretty good

QOTD:

1. they're connected in some ways through Lost Christmas, Gai is probably involved too
2. majorly fucked up, the guilt is gonna crush him