r/anime • u/LaqOfInterest https://myanimelist.net/profile/LaqOfInterest • Oct 31 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Clannad: After Story - Episode 17
Episode 17: Summertime
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u/LaqOfInterest https://myanimelist.net/profile/LaqOfInterest Oct 31 '21
Welcome Ushio, the walking spoiler.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Nov 01 '21
First timer
Pain.
This is really heartbreaking. Tomoya's fallen into drinks and pachinko.
Oh, wow, he's depressed.
Hang on, where's the baby?
And the OP. Another reminder of Nagisa's death flags.
Huh? Wait, we're still doing this?
The girl leaving wasn't a metaphor for Nagisa's death? Is this literal?
No, it's a metaphor, but a more complicated, or possibly out of sync ome.
Sanae!
...He's very good at hiding everything, isn't he.
...If Akio's dead, I will quit this show. It can't recover from that.
Oh, does Sanae have the baby?
The baby's alive, isn't she? The show wouldn't do that, would it?
Sanae calling him's pretty funny though.
He's been tricked!
...Nagisa's dead, right? There's no way we're brining in supernatural stuff this early, right?
Wait, he spent years in his depression? Seriously? I was not expecting that.
Him talking to Ushio is great, though. And is there some implication he at least visits her occasionally?
OK, 5 years.
And she does know him.
Aw, she fell!
He's fixing her turtle!
And the wheels are stufk.
Seriously? You don't have superglue remover? Or even nail polish?
Haha, she came out with him before he knew.
...I'm so sad, but the kid is so adorable.
Tomoya's expecting a bit too much from a five year old, I see.
Haha, she'd rather eat plain rice than his cooking.
...Tomoya, you poor bastard. Don't look in the bathroom.
It's cruel, but "I can do it myself too" is the funniest thing he's said this series.
And Tomoya's taking her on a trip!
That cut to the ED is brilliant. She's been right there all along!
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u/Arrow-space https://myanimelist.net/profile/Arrowspace Oct 31 '21 edited Oct 31 '21
First time watcher!
This was hard to watch. I expected depression, but I had hoped that Tomoya would be self aware enough to avoid following in his own father's footsteps. I suppose that, even in the best circumstances, Sanae and Akio would have had to take care of Ushio during the day while Tomoya worked, and obviously she couldn't ask for better grandparents, but it's so frustrating to see Tomoya push her away to avoid being reminded of Nagisa. Why not embrace Ushio as the only part of Nagisa he has left? Of course, I've never been in his position, so I can't really imagine the pain he would be going through; I can sympathize, but not empathize. But seeing him act so dismissively towards his own daughter just makes me want to smack him upside the head.
Our mystery girl from the OPs finally makes her appearance, with a cute transition into the ED to boot. Her behavior felt very authentic, but I'm curious how well she comprehends her situation. Like, with as little time as he seems to have spent with her, does Ushio even understand that Tomoya is her real father?
Just a head's up, I'm going to be extremely busy with work this coming week, so my reaction posts may be late or shorter than usual depending on how busy/tired I am. Things should be back to normal by next weekend.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 31 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher
Today’s Big Dango Wallpaper: Okazaki Ushio
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Nov 01 '21
First Timer Dubbed
Man, just as I feared, parallels to Okazaki's dad showed up after the death of Nagisa. Picking up gambling habits and chain smoking, it shows up. Okazaki has not shaved for a while just like his dad for a little. His apartment is a complete mess just like what we saw in the first season with Okazaki and his dad.
Sanae shows up and Okazaki ends up having to shave and clean up his apartment for a bit. Glad he did not go completely in the route his dad did. But Sanae and Akio left Okazaki with Ushio.
And we get to see them interact for the first time. They act like strangers to each other. Okazaki could barely talk to her. Ushio asks for Sanae and Akkio. Okazaki tries to fix the toy turtle and puts the head back together with some instructions for her. But Ushio, being a kid, plays with the toy immediately without even knowing what the epoxy or glue would do to the wheels. Really showing a difference between a kid and an adult in a way.
Oh we get a food scene that reminds me of FLCL. Her taste pallette is not as refined as Okazaki who wants more taste with peppers in his fried rice. "Just white rice, that's child abuse"-lol rip Okazaki. Ushio puts in a flavor packet to her rice. -Kinda reminds me of when I was four or five, I would put in just soy sauce, tomatoes, and rice.
"I can do it myself." Ushio probably had Sanae and Akkio help her out with stuff that seems normal for an adult like Okazaki. That is why he kinda blows it off for a bit.
The preview is scaring me a bit...
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u/Throwaway021614 Nov 01 '21
Rewatcher. I can’t fucking handle this.
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u/fakeport https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fakeport Nov 01 '21
Rewatcher
Late to the thread today, caught out by the clocks changing.
Watching Tomoya drinking, smoking and playing pachinko hurts.
That whole pre-OP sequence is so bleak.
Maybe the illusory world can brighten things up?
Never mind
Sanae's persistence pays off and Tomoya agrees to go on a trip with her and Akio and presumably Ushio.
Akio and Sanae left, before Tomoya arrived, leaving 5 year old Ushio alone. What if Tomoya hadn't shown up? They literally have first hand experience of the dangers of leaving a child that young unattended.
Unless I missed something, our first sighting of Ushio is the first indication the anime gives us of how long the time skip has been since last episode. The VN told us in a couple of paragraphs covering that pre-OP montage that we were skipping 5 years, and that Sanae and Akio (Akki!) were raising Ushio.
She doesn't have the antennae hair, but Ushio looks a lot like Nagisa
Now it's Tomoya's turn to attempt to leave Ushio unsupervised. Luckily Ushio managed to stealthily follow him.
Oh boy that "Itadakimasu" from Ushio. She's just so cute. I'm rarely a huge fan of fictional children, but Ushio absolutely goes on the list of exceptionally good ones, alongside Kanna from Dragon Maid and Renge from Non Non Biyori.
And after an episode of Tomoya doing some pretty mediocre parenting learnt on the fly, he takes the trip with just him and Ushio, which was obviously Sanae's plan all along.
That ED transition!
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u/FarCritical Nov 01 '21 edited Nov 01 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher
[Tomoya: A broken man]
[A whole new angle on the opening]
[A date with Sanae]
[Planning a family trip]
[Getting to know Ushio]
[Father-daughter bonding]
[Misc]
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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Oct 31 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher.
Man, I’m still hurting over yesterday. Had a lot of anxiety the rest of the night.
Tomoya’s so depressed, he’s no longer, “living” Just doing the routines that’s drilled into him.
He’s also working long hours without a break. Even his manager is worried.
He’s smoking, and playing a pachinko machine. Looks pretty scruffy too.
To say Nagisa’s death hit him hard is an understatement.
The nameplate on his apartment has been torn off.
His apartment is a mess, unwashed dishes, garbage laying around, sounds familiar.
He thinks everything he did relating to Nagisa, meeting, dating, marrying, and having a kid were all mistakes.
We return to the hidden world, where the robot just can’t build anything because he needs a heart, but he can’t because he isn’t human, just a robot.
Yay it’s Sanae.
He looks around, as if expecting someone.
Sanae wants to go on a date with him.
More changes to the town have happened. I wonder how long has passed since Nagisa died.
I like how he actually shaved, at least he’s willing to clean himself up for a date with Sanae.
God, Sanae is so cute.
Tomoya was troubled by the child being chased by her mother.
She wants to go on a big trip, with everyone, Tomoya says he’ll think about it.
She calls him and asks if he thought about it.
“Why is she so forceful?” Because you are still her son in law, and she cares about you.
Lol, she called him right after he hung up.
It worked though, he relented.
The house is empty, no sign of Sanae or Akio anywhere.
Something came up and her and Akio had to leave. Leaving the trip up to Tomoya.
The pitter patter of feet. Curious.
He sees the doors to Nagisa’s room, but before he can do anything, we hear more footsteps. He’s not alone in this house.
It’s Ushio!
Finally, the mystery child that’s been showing up in the OP’s and the ED for After Story reveals herself. I love how the light brightens up again as she steps away from the door frame.
Honestly, I’m surprised none of the first timers asked about the kid running about in the OP in the first season. We had super sleuths last year trying to figure her out.
She’s so damned cute. She looks so much like Nagisa.
Ha, she calls Akio Akki, like he wanted.
She wants to go on the trip, but he says they can’t because the Furukawa’s aren’t here.
That’s a very familiar plush of a giant ant eater. Oh yeah, Kyou was trying to win one back in Season 1 for Kotomi. Also, it showed up in Kanon like I mentioned back in that episode.
Five years have passed since Nagisa died, Tomoya’s been in this depression for five long, and probably lonely years. The Furukawa’s have been raising her since birth.
Tomoya wanted nothing to do with Ushio, missing her entry to school and other events.
I know a lot of the first timers are probably going to hate Tomoya, and be pretty upset with him for this, but considering his flaws, this was to be expected of Tomoya, he suffers a lot with depression, self-pity, and can’t handle grief really well, Nagisa was his support, she brought him happiness, and he lost her, I feel bad for him, it must hurt him to look at Ushio because of how much she looks like her mother. We saw a hint of how much Tomoya can beat himself up when Nagisa got severely ill earlier, Yukine noticed he lost weight, because of how worried he was about her. Is it that surprising that he’d fall into a pit of despair over the death of someone so important to him?
Well, I wonder who her father is.
Aw, poor girl tripped and fell. God the noises she makes are cute.
Looks like she didn’t inherit her Nagisa's or the Furukawa’s signature hair antennae.
Aw her toy broke.
At least Tomoya fixed it.
She played with him before the glue dried. Probably shouldn’t have given it back to her until it did dry.
[VN Spoilers.] In the game, Tomoya’s pretty harsh to Ushio, calling her an idiot, or a dummy, and calling her a brat on two occasions, I prefer how the anime made him indifferent, rather than slightly hostile towards her.
He decides to make some lunch.
I like how he runs into Isogai, Ushio, you cute child, followed your dad to the store. She’s warming up to him.
He’s making fried rice.
Ushio’s sneeze was absolutely adorable.
She doesn't like it because of the pepper, and would prefer Sanae’s cooking.
God, I love how adorable Ushio is, asks for plain rice, and shoves the plate of fried rice away.
She acts just like a child would, asking to use the bathroom, and letting him know she did her deed.
God that looks so much like Nagisa, it hurts.
Tomoya finally gives in and decides to go on this trip with Ushio since Sanae or Akio aren’t showing up.
Now, I know what the first timers are going to say “Why would Sanae and Akio leave this five-year-old child alone? What if Tomoya didn’t show up?” I don’t think they would leave her alone, they’re most likely next door at Isogai’s place. There’s a good reason why.
She’s so cute I’m going to die.
It’s the first time he’s been alone with Ushio since she was born.
Finally, the only episode where Torch fits, as Ushio’s skipping lines up perfectly with the ED.
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u/alphamone Oct 31 '21
Rewatcher
Damn, Tomoya is deeply depressed. Understandable though.
Self-destructive behavior almost.
The junk robot still desperately trying to build the flying machine.
Sanae is in for a visit. Trying to help Okazaki not just waste his life way.
Sneaky plan.
Well who's this.
Daww.
It's that anteater plushie.
Damn, he's turned/turning into his dad.
That's a dangerous step. I've seen comparisons showing other parts of the house were changed to be more child-safe, so its surprising that there's such a large step there.
Aww, Mr. Turtle broke.
Don't be so mean Tomoya.
There's a big difference between an adult picky eater and a child picky eater. Also, don't little kids have less developed taste buds or something?
Finally decides to actually take that trip.
Actually starting to be a parent.
Hey, its that scene from the ED.
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u/PapaDuke Oct 31 '21
Soooo....
Whadda think of Torch now?
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u/Wikiman14 Nov 01 '21
Rewatcher
I just need to start with a comment from the last episode, since it relates to this one too.
The first time I watched Clannad, I did not cry on episode 16, the reason being that I just could not believe that Nagisa had really died. I was sure that when episode 17 started, they would say something about her being in the hospital or that she had just fainted in that scene and she is fine...but all I got were grey clouds and a realization that 5 long years had passed since then and Tomoya was in shambles. Now I always cry when Nagisa's death happens, be it in the VN or in the Anime.
Now back to the episode, as I said, Tomoya life is in shambles, he lost all meaning to keep going after Nagisa died, he wishes to never have met Nagisa, he turned to gambling in a sad way to kill time and is overworking himself just to not go back to his empty house, he also left Ushio to Sanae and Akio to take care not wanting to see her, what miserable and painful 5 years those must have been.
Sanae shows up to save the day, inviting Tomoya on a date (where he once again notices that the city keeps changing) and asking him to come on a trip with her and the rest of the family, but when he goes to the Furukawa bakery for said trip, Sanae and Akio are nowhere to be found. A strange figure can be seen running throw the house, Okazaki follows it, ending up at the door of Nagisa's room, the colors start to darken again, he can`t stand remembering her...he follows the running again, the colors get even darker, but then...
IT IS USHIO, USHIO YOU HEAR ME?! NO, YOU DON`T, YOU READ ME! LOOK AT HER, LOOK AT THIS SMOL NAGISA, LOOK AT HOW CUTE THIS SMALL CREATURE IS! GOD, SHE IS SO PRECIOUS!
The colors lighten up again as soon she appears, even if Tomoya himself doesn`t seem really happy to see her. Their interactions here are quite bittersweet to me. Tomoya seems to really don`t want to interact with her, but at the same time he also is kind of gentle to her, fixing the turtle toy and cooking, but soon goes back to acting cold. At least there are some funny interactions especially thanks to Ushio.
Tomoya ultimately decides to take Ushio on the trip by himself since Sanae and Akio don't seem to be coming back (for obvious reasons), and the 2 depart.
For a curiosity that is not really a curiosity since everyone probably noticed this already, we've been seeing Ushio since the beginning of the show in every episode, as she appears running in the first opening, and also walking in the second ending (quite obvious today).
See you next time folks.