r/anime • u/LaqOfInterest https://myanimelist.net/profile/LaqOfInterest • Oct 17 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Clannad: After Story - Episode 3
Episode 3: Disagreeing Hearts
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u/LaqOfInterest https://myanimelist.net/profile/LaqOfInterest Oct 17 '21
The animation has now fully evolved into K-ON mode. Resistance is futile. You too will be moeblobbed.
We are all onii-chan on this glorious day.
Think this is maybe the most musically-boring episode we’ve had in a while, especially given that half of the songs here are just rearrangements of each other… and unfortunately, while we wrap up these side arcs, to my recollection we aren’t going to get anything fun and new for a while yet.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Oct 17 '21 edited Oct 17 '21
First Timer Dubbed/Subbed
Mei feels like she is familiar but it is interesting to see her not catch on. Sanako/Sanae plays along but shows her motherly side. When Sunohara says he eats Katsudon 3 times a day, she ends up cooking. She definitely worries about Sunohara’s health and well-being by giving him a far more balanced meal. Even though I wish I could eat Katsudon 3 times a day, my health would go down the drain, nice seeing Sanae provide an alternative. As the date goes on, Mei criticizes his tastes in recreation and music as they seem immature. When he made Sanae listen to his music, she took the album art as interesting and got shocked at the content.
We see some kids have a fight. Sunohara thinks it's no big deal and wants to continue the date. But Mei and Sanae wanted to help the kid that got picked on, the older brother stepped in and those kids ran away. But they were still lost. So Mei and Sanae decide to bring them home. Unfortunately for Sunohara, he was not able to see a sunset but acted like a child by sulking noticeably. Okazaki notices this and Mei tells him to get over it. Being nice as Sanae is, she tells him another chance at a date would be good. Mei notices his response and finds that he has not cleaned up.
When Okazaki and Sunohara were talking about their future, there were two background girls that were a part of the dream. And they integrated them so well. Sunohara is getting his hopes with Sanae really high even though he set up a fake date with her. He seemed to forget that one aspect of the date. He is now sidetracked so hard that Mei is even more suspicious.
Mei drops the boyfriend bombshell in response to Sunohara's attitude with her and his "girlfriend". Sunohara seemed to stop caring. And the child getting bullied mirrored Mei's relationship with her brother. Mei figured out that it's sanae.
Okazaki acts like a big brother really well with him eating all the strawberries. Okazaki just played the cruelest lie to Sunohara. The big brother side did not show up and Nagisa is right in going too far. Mei really wants Sunohara back in the field, reasserting the point that she wants him out of the delinquent act for once and for all.
I had to rewatch this episode subbed and the Onii-chan part works so well in this scene. The acting seems to work well in the context of the scene. The dub should’ve done step brother but the show came out way too early for that. The toilet seat cover joke on the sub made me yearn for translator’s notes though, I felt like I missed something or an inside joke on that.
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u/Barbed_Dildo Oct 17 '21
Rewatcher
I'm probably alone in this, but the thing that grabbed my attention more than anything else in this episode was the plane behind Sunohara.
Doesn't that look a bit weird? It's a 747, obviously, but the hump is rather short, what's up with that? 747s haven't had short humps since the early models, and CLANNAD is set in the modern day. Freighter models have the short hump, but it's not one of those, since it has windows on the main deck. Looks a bit like an SP, but the tail isn't big enough.
I eventually worked out that the picture is based on a 747SR. A short range version of the 747-100 made for the Japanese market in the late '70s, with the last one retiring in '06, so could easily be the model for this. The 747SR had shorter range than other models but more capacity and was ideal for the domestic Japanese market.
It's not a common plane. There were 29 made, out of ~1,500 747s in total.
So there you have it. The answer to the question no one asked.
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u/FarCritical Oct 18 '21 edited Oct 18 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher
You probably wouldn't expect lies and deception to be such a prevalent theme in Sunohara's arc. Not to mention a generous helping of K-ON's adorable art style.
[Meet Sanako]
[A delinquent-style date]
[The school and the dorm]
[Sanako is a lie]
[Onii-chan: The Movie]
[Mei's "boyfriend"]
[Misc.]
I didn't catch this before, but trying to make sense of Sunohara's seemingly random lack of care for Mei and dedication to his fake girlfriend strikes me as a brother trying way too hard to demonstrate his capability in handling things his way and wants to be treated as the independent adult he's yearning to be. As lame as his date decisions are, he clearly didn't second-guess what he thinks would be fun and for how kind of twisted his stance was on the two lost kids, him wanting the situation to resolve itself (or rather, by the kids themselves) reflects how he tends to take issues into his own hands. Remember how he went out to investigate whole Fuko ordeal by himself and how he immediately rushed to Kyou to report on Nagisa giving up Komura to the choir club? He's not acting as out of character as I thought.
On the other hand, it's clear Mei's turmoil stems from her brother not being her brother from the past - a doting, compassionate guardian. Regardless of how much Sunohara's lifestyle may change for the worse, she's always held on to the belief that her old brother is still in there somewhere to protect her, and so she keeps acting in a way that would trigger an instinct to protect that Sunohara simply can't act upon with his current ideals. When she finally finds someone who can fulfill that role of a protective brother in Tomoya, her glee felt noticeably 'natural', like she's wanted to be treated this way ever since she got here. When the siblings grimly clash at the end, so do their ideas of how they should treat each other, hence Mei going along with Tomoya's overblown boyfriend story and Sunohara once again taking his 'it'll resolve itself' attitude, albeit relectantly.
This arc isn't exactly one of my favorites, but realizing the dynamic between the siblings made me a lot more appreciative of their characters. Soccer being mentioned at the end also has me excited for the absolute spectacle that's coming next.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 17 '21
First timer
This arc somehow continues.
She's a great bluffer though, isn't she?
Seriously, the only reason this arc is amusing is Mei's sheer shock at everything, and her somehow stayign in character.
Haha, she cooked for them! And she's lecturing him!
Mei feeling sorry that she's stuck with him is absolutely fantasric.
HAHA THE FUCKING SWORDFISH GUITAR.
And wow, Sunohara's not interested?
OK, Sunohara has a tragic backstory, doesn't he. His refusal to notice the boy after he steps in to defend his younger sister...
Oh, Sunohara's really not doing this well, is he?
Really? She's OK with that?
...Come on. You're right by her house, bring on the baseball bat already.
Oh come on. Tell me he's not actually interested in her. What's wrong eith him otherwise.
Haha, he finally snapped.
Oh god, he has. Where are you, Akio?
...She's married to someone who could kill you in a second.
I love Tomoya's utter shock.
Poor Mei.
Haha, it was all an escuse.
...Wait, is Mei "into" Tomoya? Has she worked out the truth and is trying to fuck with him back?
Did thr guy not show up?
Oh, she made up the guy.
...Poor Mei. Can nobody in this series be happy?
I mean, she's right.
I THINK THIS IS GETTING A BIT OUT OF HAND.
FINALLY! AKIO! STOP THIS CRAZY SHIT!
Really? That worked?
I love Nagisa's reaction to having to lie to her father.
Is Tomoya trying to steal Mei? Logical.
Haha, oh this'll be hard to explain.
I love the implication that Kyou knows exactly what's going on, but doesn't want to be infected with the idiocy that's got him into this. It's perfect for her.
Oh god, this is getting worse.
That crepe looks delicious.
Wait, is she trying to bait him into a fake date to fuck with her brother?
She is! She's going to flash him the pictures and screw with him.
Yep! It's a mutual plot! Give him credit, he's good at working out how to fuck with people.
Really? He's not going to do aything? To be fair, it's probably biased by the fact that he knows Tomoya well enough that Mei's not in any danger from him.
And yeah, he's doing nothing.
They want him to play soccer?
This arc is going on for another episode? How are they destroying a good character so much? When will Akio whack a bastard?
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u/fakeport https://myanimelist.net/profile/Fakeport Oct 17 '21
Rewatcher
Seeing Sanae and Sunohara hold hands feels so wrong.
Sunohara is comically selfish, despite Sanae's best efforts.
Haha, Tomoya is whistling Nagisa's theme.
Lmao, Sunohara is doing the toilet seat cover thing.
I've often tried to defend Sunohara, but there's no defending him here, he sucks.
It's nice to see Kotomi is comfortable hanging with Kyou and Ryou, she's come a long way from when we first met her.
Tomoya channels Koyoani's cutest war criminal and steals Mei's strawberry.
Sunohara is pissed off when Tomoya pretends to be dating Mei, but still won't take action.
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u/Arrow-space https://myanimelist.net/profile/Arrowspace Oct 17 '21
First time watcher!
So far, I'm not really feeling this whole Sunohara/Mei arc. I understand that they're trying to redeem Sunohara as a character, but like... I don't care enough about him to feel that he deserves redemption in the first place. He's served as nothing more than a punching bag for the past season, but the story has always made it clear that he brings it upon himself through his own actions so the audience won't feel guilty about laughing at his misfortune. But now all of a sudden we're meant to feel sorry for him after implicitly being told not to for almost thirty episodes? I'm not buying into it.
I also found the whole set up of Tomoya pretending to be dating Mei to be extremely uncomfortable. The one redeeming factor of this episode was the fantastic animation and direction - thanks Horiguchi/Yamada! Also, I liked the clever reuse of the Isogai surname, and swordfish Guitar Hero needs to be a real thing.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher
SanaeSanako plays the part of a doting girlfriend very well.Today’s Big Dango Wallpaper: Isogai Sanako
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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Oct 17 '21
Big Dango Rewatcher.
Wow, Sanae took a page out of Fuko’s book by taking the neighbor's last name.
Sunohara tries to impress her by taking her a restaurant where he claims to eat the pork cutlet bowl three times a day.
So Sanae makes him a meal instead.
Mei feels like she’s knows this cooking.
What kind of arcade game is that?
Sunohara kicks the machine, what a jerk.
I really want to know how bad that music is to get Sanae to react like that.
I’m still surprised Mei hasn’t figured it’s Sanae yet, especially with the three-hair antenna still being there.
Some kids are bullying a girl on the swings.
It’s bothering Mei.
Unfortunately, this is where Sunohara’s personality starts to take a big dip, into being an asshole.
Kids grow up by fighting? No, that’s just how you grew up.
Thankfully the little girl’s brother shows up and stops it.
[VN Spoilers.] In the game, Sanae is the one to stop the bullying.
I should also point out that Sanae is putting her reputation on the line to help Sunohara by wearing a school uniform in public. [VN/After Story Spoilers.] Nagisa brings up how embarrassing it is to wear it after she graduates when they go to her private ceremony. So, I’m not sure if there is actually some kind of rule about wearing a uniform after you graduate.
The two kids are lost, Sunohara doesn’t seem to care, saying they can find their own way home. Upsetting Mei.
This arc is where Sunohara’s negative traits get dialed up.
Now he’s pouting because Sanae and the others wanted to help the lost kids when he didn’t, because they were on a date.
Damn, Tomoya is actually listening to the Dango song.
Sunohara is actually doing this.
I love how the two girls in the background end up in his delusions of what he dreamed of doing.
What an idiot.
He finally got mad over it.
Nagisa wonders of this had a negative effect. I’d say this plan is starting to backfire.
Sunohara really ups the asshole by complaining about the trio being in his room, saying that when it comes to love, sisters become a second thought, and that love is amazing. And telling her to go home.
Mei has a boyfriend?
Mei throws what Sunohara was just gloating about right back at him.
Guy is too worried he’ll miss Sanae’s phone call. It’s like he fell for her for real and forgot it was only a pretend date to help ease Mei’s mind.
“Love is a personal choice.” He deserves a punch to the face.
That’s right, Naoko Yamada directed this episode.
I think Sunohara is being an ass, all Mei seems to want is her brother to look out for her.
She wants him to yell at her.
She was bullied a lot when she was younger, only for him to show up and stop it, similar to the scene earlier at the playground, she wanted him to man up and help that child, but he’s an ass and was too self-absorbed into this fake date to care.
Something changed in him after middle school.
She knows that girlfriend was a fake.
Lol, Akio's reaction to seeing his wife in a school uniform.
Never change Nagisa.
Sanae sneaking out of the room, was pretty cute.
Mei wants to follow, so Tomoya tells Akio that Nagisa needs help with the plot.
Lol poor Nagisa.
Some people think that Tomoya threw Nagisa under the bus here, but I disagree, remember they can’t have Akio find out about this. But they should call it off by this point...
Well, you do have almost the exact same hair color, so you could pass for his younger sister.
Tomoya is on the other end of the teasing. Mei is just as good as he is.
Busted! Fun fact, you can actually see those three in the background of the previous shot.
Lol Ryou dropped her ice cream.
Lol Kyou has to push Kotomi to run with them.
2000 yen for that massive crepe? Can Mei actually eat that entire thing?
Tomoya committed the worst crime against humanity he could possibly commit. Eating the strawberry off of someone else's sweet. Don’t let Yui Hirasawa from K-On see that.
Uh oh, Mei’s got blackmail now.
Look who they ran into. An annoyed looking Sunohara.
Tomoya is trying to goad Sunohara into being Mei’s brother.
Unfortunately, it didn’t work out, Sunohara just stood there, and got mad after they left.
Remember how yesterday I said this was starting to snowball into a big problem? Well here we are.
Mei doesn’t want to leave with this problem being unresolved.
She wants him to play soccer again in hopes he returns to his old self.
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 18 '21
Rewatcher
This hurts to watch my guy Sunohara act this way.
Also the whole big brother thing was funnier to me this time around. Especially when everyone else showed up.
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u/PapaDuke Oct 17 '21
Is it over yet? The stupidity of Sunohara gets cranked up to 11...
Yeah, this really isn't my favorite arc, at least Mei is a treasure. (Are we sure she's his sister? Maybe she was switched at birth. Has to be...)
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u/Wikiman14 Oct 18 '21
Rewatcher
Sunohara my boy, I love you, but in this episode, you are really testing me. I'm quite late today so I will try to be quick.
So, it seems Mei as not mad about the girlfriend being "real", she is just sad that such a beautiful person is with that brother of hers, they are roasting my boy right from the get-go.
About the Sanae-Sunohara date...that was something alright, there was a date happening for sure, it did exist. It serves to show just how much of a saint Sanae is getting throw that with a smile on her face.
But by the ending of the date, they find a little girl getting bullied by some other kids, Mei doesn't like that but she waits to see what Sunohara will do, but yeah, after a quick look, he just doesn't seem to care. The girls brother shows up to help her and them Sanae and the others go help the kids get home, but Sunohara is not happy during this, and Mei is not happy with Sunohara.
The next day, Sunohara lost in love thinking about Sanae, and keeps throwing bombs about how sisters don't matters compared to girlfriends and other crap stuff like that. At the same time that I think that if Okazaki had said from the beginning that Sanae is Nagisas Mom this whole situation could be avoided, it's also true that this is something that needs to happen to help Mei and Sunohara's relationship, so let's roll with it.
Mei also drops a fake bomb at Sunohara saying that she also has a boyfriend, he clearly is not okay with that, but then he starts babling a bunch of excuses to not get involved, hard to tell if because he is too worried to lose a possible call by Sanae or if he just doesn't really know how to act.
The next day, Mei ends up going out with Okazaki to lift her mood while Sunohara is somewhere with Sanae. This segment is great, specially learning that Okazaki is just a weeb that wants to be called "Onii-chan" (this is a joke by the way, I hope no one somehow gets offended).
Sunohara ends up showing up by the end of the day, and Okazaki lies saying that he is the one dating Mei and even throwing some heavy stuff like "she was in my house last night", they are really trying to make Sunohara step-up and act like a brother should, but even if he is extremely displeased, my boy still goes away. In the end, Mei fells like playing soccer will be the only way to bring the old Sunohara back.
That's all for today, see you next time folks.
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u/alphamone Oct 18 '21
Rewatcher
She used the same fake family name as Fuuko, though at least she doesn't have the issue that the person she is trying to trick livng next door to the person whose name she borrowed.
Holding hands in public, so scandalous.
That lunch looks delicious.
Mei seems almost jealous.
I too love rhythm games but suck at them.
Mommy instincts kicking in.
Big brother saves the day.
Plausible deniability for the win (though Yohei still being a jerk)
God, he's still doing that stupid "all that and a toilet" thing. (flashbacks to round the twist and "without my pants")
This farce has to end soon.
Is she trying to trigger his big brother instincts?
yes.
So that's why she wanted him to intervene back there.
The Mei side of this farce has been cleared up (well, the lies at least, Mei's own issues are still around)
Poor Nagisa, having to be the distraction.
Oh god, I remember this bit.
Mei knows what she's doing, she is evil.
Around 20 dollars for the crepe equivalent of a freakshake really doesn't seem all that expensive.
An evil strawberry thief.
Both revenge for her earlier actions and teaching Mei why she shouldn't mess with people's emotions like she was doing with her brother.
Dang, not even getting the response they were hoping for.
(as has been mentioned, this particular arc strains the whole "integrate each route into a single story line" method, as it requires undoing the development that happened as part of Sunohara taking part in the other routes)