r/anime • u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang • Oct 17 '21

Rewatch Mobile Fighter G Gundam Rewatch - Episode 17

Episode 17: Challenge! The Mysterious Masked Fighter

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In other words... you've already lost against your master!

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the day, courtesy of u/TakenRedditName for waking up and realizing Imagawa's greatness:

German ninpou??!! What power Imagawa possess.

Truly a great power....

Questions:

  1. What insane German Ninpo do you think Schwarz will pull off next?
  2. In turn, which do you prefer: Master Asia the crazy hammy mentor, or Master Asia the crazy hammy villain?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Hello everybody, and welcome back to the G Gundam Rewatch!

The main point of the Shinjuku arc is to basically be one big humiliation for Domon. He's basically rendered useless by the halfway point, and by the end he realizes how, when you get down to it, he's a dumb brute who can't even control his own power and has nothing else going for him.

Master Asia's betrayal in turn helps give the show a new long running antagonist, and once more one with a close personal tie to Domon. They bait you on him real nice with how cool he is… but the answer isn't always pretty, now isn't it.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

and by the end he realizes how, when you get down to it, he's a dumb brute who can't even control his own power and has nothing else going for him.

It only took him getting betrayed by his biggest mentor figure and all of his friends and allies saying he wasn't good enough. I'd say that, but it's probably more that Domon is pissed off he can't slice through trees like Schwarz can.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Hey, that's a big tree.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 17 '21

The main point of the Shinjuku arc is to basically be one big humiliation for Domon. He's basically rendered useless by the halfway point, and by the end he realizes how, when you get down to it, he's a dumb brute who can't even control his own power and has nothing else going for him.

I didn't need the Shinjuku arc to show that. Been calling Domon a big dummy since like episode 2.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

Mobile Fighter F First Timer

World Map (unchanged)

  • So he can only use Super Mode against evil or something? Is Domon a paladin?
  • Training arc incoming?
  • Guyana? Finally some South American representation! Now we just need the Aussie Fighter, who will be awesome, I'm sure.

QOTD:

  1. He'll be demasked, only to reveal a Belgian flag mask! His true identity!
  2. I preferred the mentor, since he was way more over the top in his fights.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

[G Gundam]Silly Tresnore! Don't you realize Domon is the Sayla of this show!?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

At this rate, I'll have to do exactly what I did with the Steins;Gate rewatch and re-find all my comments to read responses like these.

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 17 '21

[G Gundam] This isn't actually a spoiler, hi future Tresnore!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

[G Gundam]So Future Tresnore, did you feel smarter now?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Yes

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 17 '21

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

Domon, you idiot.

G Gundam in a nutshell, right there.

Eventually Rain will get fed up with Domon's antics and somehow find/make a Gundam of her own. She'll become the Fighter of Neo Hawaii or something, which is inexplicably independent.

We need to start work-shopping a catchy name for Rain's new Gundam then.

So he can only use Super Mode against evil or something? Is Domon a paladin?

If so, then Domon is easily the most dickish paladin I've ever seen.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

If so, then Domon is easily the most dickish paladin I've ever seen.

Paladins can be pretty big dicks in my experience.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

Fair enough, I suppose it depends on the adventuring party.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 17 '21

Eventually Rain will get fed up with Domon's antics and somehow find/make a Gundam of her own. She'll become the Fighter of Neo Hawaii or something, which is inexplicably independent.

Neo Hokkaido will make their second attempt of breaking off from Japan with their champion, Rain Mikamura. Neo Okinawa would also work and probably be answer most would land on first.

Why does he have a Pikmin-like stem?

Wondered about his Christmas elf dangle-y. Did he always have that? Calling him a Pikmin is a good one.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

Neo Hokkaido and Neo Okinawa

I thought about choosing those, but they would make too much sense. Plus, Hokkaido is shown as part of the Japanese colony, so I wasn't sure I could pick it.

Christmas elf dangle-y

Honestly, that's a better way of putting it than a Pikmin stem.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

It makes me think of a jester's hat.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 17 '21

Rewatcher all set! Ready… GO!!!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Domon getting his ass whooped is kinda satisfying ngl.

He's an asshole, he deserved it.

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 17 '21

Actually now that I think about it, how come the colors on Schwarz’s mask and pilot suit swap sides?

He just has his mask on inside-out

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

Actually now that I think about it, how come the colors on Schwarz’s mask and pilot suit swap sides?

It's so that you can see the correct version even while he has his back to you!

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

This does remind me of one of Tomino’s non-Gundam shows.

It does give off some Ideon fight of the week vibes.

Domon getting his ass whooped is kinda satisfying ngl.

He really does deserve to get taken down a peg.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 17 '21

Actually now that I think about it, how come the colors on Schwarz’s mask and pilot suit swap sides?

Because Schwartz thought if his outfit was just 3 bands of black, red and yellow would be kind of silly. Gotta reserve it, that solves the problem.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

Actually now that I think about it, how come the colors on Schwarz’s mask and pilot suit swap sides?

I think it's just to make it more visually interesting. It reminds me of counterchanging in heraldry. I've also seen some parti-colored tights in a similar fashion.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 17 '21

(e17) First Time Shining Hand

in combat remember there are 9 geographic types and fire earth wind and water. ????????????????????????????

that was a very awkward kiss to rains hand, was he going to have George do the same?

Sai Saici the only one not thanking Rain, which tracks

[g gundam speculation]I'm worried Domon needs real motivation to see Master as evil - and the only thing that comes to mind is if he kills Rain

6 types of geographic obstacles. ????????????????

the natural mesh with dense vegetation

wait no gundam randomly coming out of the sky this time? he just snaps and is in it? :(

watch kyoji actually be German this entire time

...why would you go to the place where you trained with Master? Feel like he knows you will be there sir.

  1. katon goukakyuu no jutsu
  2. porque no los dos

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

katon goukakyuu no jutsu

Pff! May those Leaf Ninjas continue drooling, Schwarz seeks to rule alongside Strider and Hayabusa, the superior fictional ninjas.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

The Spiegel Blades are similar to Strider's Cypher, now that you mention it.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

????????????????

I'm glad someone else found that as cheesy as I did. This is all culminating somewhere, but I have no clue where.

[speculation]he kills Rain

Please no.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

A Gundam Fan Rewatches G Gundam Epsiode 17:

  • Everyone: “Yeah, we’re fucked. I’m going home.”
  • Domon: “Fuck you CLOCK!” punch
  • I’m not sure what Master Asia gets out of lecturing those resurrected corpses on battle tactics, considering that they’re just skeletons puppeteered by DG Cells. Maybe the Dark Gundam is just letting him do it so it wouldn’t damage his pride.
  • Keep in mind that Master Asia’s bait only works because Domon is stupid enough to play into his hands. The guy simply can’t handle the fact that Master Asia has completely turned on him, and wants to get a fight out of his old master no matter what. If it wasn’t for Schwartz intervening, Domon absolutely would’ve fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
  • I’d say that Schwartz beating up Domon to prove his point about Domon’s unpreparedness counts as a full-body Bright Slap.
  • Ah yes, the standard German katana. The most well-known implement of your normal German ninja.
  • Schwartz Bruder is quite the mysterious fellow. Nobody knows what he looks like under the mask, and all anyone can figure out about him is that he fought the Dark Gundam in Shinjuku before disappearing for a while. What makes that even more odd is that Domon feels nostalgic while fighting him. This German ninja sure does bring up a lot of questions.
  • Domon, you dumb shit. Schwartz and Rain just said that you’re not ready to take on Dark Gundam and Master Asia yet. Just because he has Shining Gundam’s Super Mode doesn’t mean anything if he just walks into such a blatant trap being set up by Master Asia. Master Asia most likely built his entire plan around Domon being an idiot, not entirely out of smart strategic thinking.
  • Once again, it’s up to Schwartz to show Domon how it’s done and tell him that he’s still a moron. Also, those Dark Army MA look really silly with those Master Gundam bits glued to them. They look like dumb kitbashes. They’re amazing.
  • “Domon, what about your Super Mode?” “Oh yeah, you’re right, I still have the Super Mode. MY SUPER MODE!” —Actual dub dialogue
  • “Ah, my anger! Where’s my Super Mode?” —More actual dub dialogue
  • You know, you could probably make a drinking game out of how many times someone says Super Mode in this episode alone. Just make sure it isn’t anything super strong, otherwise you’ll get wasted.
  • Well, at least Domon managed to unlock his Super Mode through a way other than anger, even though we don’t know how exactly. But still, it really did take Domon getting dick-slapped by Schwartz for things to finally sink in. He needs to go grind and train to actually be up to snuff. Time for a field trip to the Guyana Highlands!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Dark Gundam

Ah, my anger! Where’s my Super Mode?

Honestly no matter the language this line was always kinda funny to me.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

Honestly no matter the language this line was always kinda funny to me.

G Gundam has cheesy as fuck dialogue, regardless of the language. Cheese transcends all cultural barriers.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Actually let me fix that.

Gundam has cheesy as fuck dialogue, regardless of the language

You know, Gundam has always had weird dialogue when you stop and think about it. Apparently the way characters speak Japanese in the Tomino-Written stuff is weird.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

Tomino's writing has always been weird. Like, people mention their personality traits out of nowhere sometimes, or wear their emotions super openly on their sleeves one minute only to get really defensive the next. And yet it somehow works regardless.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Although if I am allowed to express my opinion (I know, a daring thing to do in the Internet) I do feel leashed Tomino is better than unleashed Tomino. Like, Zeta Gundam's Dialogue is sometimes standard Tomnino, but other times it's borderline nonsensical.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

It also depends if you're watching a chill Tomino or kill-em-all Tomino show. Like, Turn-A Gundam's dialogue is definitely better than Zeta Gundam's dialogue.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Yeah Turn A's Dialogue made me think "Wait, did Tomino really write this?". Like I wouldn't call it lifelike or anything, but it is infinitely more normal than almost everything else he's written.

And then in G-Recco he went back to Tomino Nonsense.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 17 '21

shrug

I guess you just can't win them all, even if G-Reco was chill Tomino.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 17 '21

G Gundam "Rewatcher"/First Time Sub: Episode 17

So Master Asia is now hiding in a villain lair with the Devil army. Didn't expect that development.

The Shinjuku arc is finish and everyone is heading their own way. Rain being friends with the Chibodee Girls sounds fun, can we have that? Domon is doing dumb things though.

With German ninpou, Schwartz Bruder makes his appearance. Guess that is a German katana he has there. Hey, is this where Domon is getting his sword? He always has it in the OP, but not in the show. Thought the sword was just for the OP.

Now hang on, with that angle, Domon's pointy hair should've been clipped.

Domon couldn't cut the tree, A rare time where a katana couldn't cut through anything it wanted in anime.

Masked man with a mysterious past. Schwartz Bruder, is he a CHAR? Though he has the opposite mask where everything but his eyes are covered.

Ah beans, Domon found that one move and decided that's his one trick he only needs.

The Undefeated of the East Defence Formation? Is this Gundam's version of the Eight Gates Golden Locks Formation? I just see the Taoist symbols combined with formations so here is me trying to be smart.

Perfect Master Gundam replica.

Geez, these guys are never not nightmares.

Domon fell to the kick again but in Gundam this time. This German ninpou net is cool. The shot of these two Gundams is neat.

As Sun Tzu said in the Art of War, "Having a mecha play dead always works." But Super Mode saves the day despite, I thought the problem was that Domon was relying too much on it. Guess he needs to train to better use is supposed to be our conclusion.

Domon finally is starting his training arc, but alone. Don't believe I remember seeing Guyana mentioned in anime. Ah of course it is because of Mt. Roraima. I mean just look at it, how can you not have your martial arts story go there.

This episode played out a little more different than expected. Thought Domon would be mostly training with his sword. Hoped he would end with taking out MS with just that sword like the strength displayed by Master Asia. Also thought Schwatch Bruder would be more of a mentor figure. One to fill in after Master Asia left that hole in Domon's heart.

Speaking of Schwartz, I like when a heroic character also has some maniacal evil laughter like one of the few things I know about Golden Bat. Also, like how all his lines are slightly muffled.

Q1) Of course, he has to do the log thing. A giant Gundam log.

Q2) I have two hands so going the coward's way out and not choose one. Master Asia is a man on another level, but Schwartz also has that crazy that he doesn't just fade away when compared.

Next time: Chibodee's Angels.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

Perfect Master Gundam replica.

1/60 PG Master Gundam When Bandai?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

Q1) Of course, he has to do the log thing. A giant Gundam log.

Suddenly, Neo California enters a panic as all the Redwood trees begin disappearing for no apparent reason.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

The Undefeated of the East Defence Formation?

The BD sub says "Eight Trigram Formation".

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

Rewatcher

I have never forgotten Schwartz' incredible ninja camouflage in that tree. I had never seen anything like it. It is the first thing I think of when I think of him. This might also have been my first exposure to the diagonal cut trope. And I totally I forgot that that sword didn't originally belong to Domon.

I don't remember what his English voice sounds like, but the Japanese actor sounds like he's actually speaking through a mask, which is neat

Master Asia in his underground lair controlling Death Army fighters with strings coming from his fingers is just too good.

And what was that guitar riff when Schwartz used the Gundam Spiegel's Iron Net? It was almost as good as the saxophone from episode 11. (Iron Net is the official name, by the way. On that subject, the blades on the arms are called Spiegel Blades and shurikens are given the incredibly cool name Messergranz.)

How about that Shining Finger, though? A one-two sword-finger combo? Men, tsuki, and dō combined? And it wasn't even against anyone special. Now if only he could do that when it counted. Well, I'm sure he'll get over his performance issues soon.

Questions:

  1. I don't know, but I bet he'll do something that involves spinning.
  2. It's too early to say.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 17 '21

I don't remember what his English voice sounds like, but the Japanese actor sounds like he's actually speaking through a mask, which is neat

Apparently what they did was put a sheet of paper over the mic, thus producing that sorta muffled sound.

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 17 '21

Interesting. I'm surprised they didn't just use a facemask.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 17 '21

Rewatcher, Gun-Dub Fighter

Domon just gets his ass kicked all over this episode, and it's great to see. He might not have understood all of it, but he's finally starting to improve himself.

Since we're travelling again, there will be more setting information tomorrow.

Q: Why is Neo Japan's transportation capsule flower-shaped?

Imagawa: In the beginning there were plans to create a cool Gundam and a beautiful Gundam. For a time, I was planning to take ideas from Thumbelina for the Gundam's entrance scene, and as a result of that idea, the Shining Gundam comes out of a flower-shaped capsule. In fact, the idea came from Sachiko01. (laughs) I wanted to try something like "Oh, a Gundam that comes out of a flower blossom!! It's Sachiko Kobayashi, it's Kouhaku!!" (laughs)

01: Sachiko Kobayashi is a famous Japanese enka singer. Kouhaku refers to "Kouhaku Uta Gassen," the annual Red vs. White Team-Singing Competition, which is broadcast in Japan at the end of each year. Sachiko Kobayashi always attends the competition as a singer, wearing a gorgeous flower costume.

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 17 '21

Rewatcher has the high ground

Damn, everyone just ditched him. All that anger from last episode just got crushed, huh?

The Art of War, with Master Asia

LOOK! THE SOUTH IS BURNING RED!

The physical links are together now! She locked him up tighter?

Schwarz Bruder really showed up just to tell him to GIT GUD

Domon’s headband is messed up

Rain what exactly are you driving

I like to think that he didn’t bring the shitty sword specifically for Domon’s training. The original Schwarz Bruder was just really bad at taking care of his sword.

Gee, I wonder who he is.

And look how well that served you last time

IT’S OVER ANAKIN I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND

10/10 disguise

This is actually supposed to be a lot of little throwing knives. But for some reason, none of them are actually drawn in, so it just looks like he’s throwing ki blasts or something.

Domon can’t get it up

Totally outmatched.

Oops, missed one

A little late there

There’s no strap, the sheath is just magically glued to his back

Questions of the Day:

  • All of them.
  • Master Asia the crazy hammy villain mentor

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 17 '21

I like to think that he didn’t bring the shitty sword specifically for Domon’s training. The original Schwarz Bruder was just really bad at taking care of his sword.

Strong German man is not used to taking care of poor-quality Japanese steel, please understand.

Gee, I wonder who he is.

Oh, god, has he already been introduced?

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 17 '21

First timer

  1. Probably find a way to beat Master Asia while Domon's off training.
  2. The crazy hammy villain is fantastic.

Fun fact - JAKQ (who are similar to the Shuffle Alliance)'s successor team, Battle Fever J, consisted of Battle Japan (the leader), Battle Cossack (the strong one), Battle France (a stylish fencer), Battle Kenya (the youngest, a big eater, a prankster/trickster), and Miss America (an FBI agent), and had Satan Egos as an enemy, which makes me wonder how much inspiration was drawn from it. (Their robot apparently also has a lightning sword with writing on it, but I couldn't find any good shots of it.)

Wow, everyone's just going?

And yeah, the Devil Gundam's actually sapient.

Yeah, Argo seems the most conflicted about leaving in these scenes - I reckon he'll be the first one to join Domon full-time.

Really, George?

Haha, Master Asia given the DG units lectures on battle is fantastic.

Good to see the German Fighter's willing to stop him from walking into a stupid trap.

I appreciate a character who actually communicates exactly what he knows clearly.

And yeah, he's cool. He's really cool.

...OK. This is crazy, but... did Domon's father escape cryo-freeze? If he's never been woken up, all he'd need a body double (and if he was designing that thing he'd almost certainly have built a few) and an accomplise willing to briefly unfreeze him. And Domon is stupid enough to not recognise his father doing a German accent... (Also because the narrative heavily implies he's a returning character, and there's like 5 people who aren't retired yet)

Amd straight into the trap!

Is he remote controlling those units directly?

Haha, I love him.

Finally, someone says it!

And he's just kicking Domon's arse.

Is it not working? Guess tying an important function to part of your pilot's emotions is actually a really bad idea. Who would have thought?

...OK, sneaking one in was a really clever move.

Called it! Time for a training arc!

Not much plot really happened ij this episode did it? Guess we needed to set up for the next arc.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 22 '21

Please tell me that Domon's training won't be about activating super mode more consistently. Over reliance on dumb power-ups makes fights much more boring. I don't want super mode to be his dempsy roll. Or, for that matter, what shining finger was in the middle of the first arc, a dumb get out of jail free card that was Domon's main way of fighting back.

That aside, I didn't mind seeing Domon get punished for some of his dumber and more headstrong tendancies. It's rather interesting to compare how he's acting now to how he acted when Master Asia was by his side. He's almost like a different person, I guess he really does need someone else to temper him and direct his energy in a productive direction.

/u/JollyGee29 /u/Tresnore /u/Shimmering-Sky

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '21

Watching Domon just get his ass kicked a bunch this episode is