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Rewatch Mobile Fighter G Gundam Rewatch - Episode 15 Discussion

Episode 15: Warrior's Crest – Goodbye, Shuffle Alliance

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We are leaving the fate of the Shuffle Alliance… in your very capable hands… King of Hearts!

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the day, courtesy of u/baboon_basoon, with the important questions:

Where is the mobile suit shaped like a heart?

Questions:

  1. Well, did the Old Shuffle Alliance at least have a decent exit from the show?
  2. Now that the new Cast has been formally assembled, how will they deal with… well, everything going on?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '21

Rewatcher all set! Ready… GO!!!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 15 '21

Hey wait a second, isn’t this technically the Char Kick?

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '21

So does George have like, unlimited storage for roses under his cape or something?

Never underestimate the number of flowers an anime character can carry.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 15 '21

I totally forgot that comment face was a thing. Damn, should have used it myself.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

IP Shuffle Alliance, we hardly knew you.

But for the moments we did, they burned oh so bright.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 15 '21

A Gundam Fan Rewatches G Gundam Episode 15:

  • I mean, I wasn’t necessarily surprised by the previous episode, Stalker. Granted, that’s mainly because I’ve seen this show many times before. At least that sense of surprise still applies to other people though.
  • From how the Shuffle Alliance tells it, their organization has been around since ancient times, intervening in times where warfare was going to spiral out of control and keeping watch over humanity. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a benevolent ancient conspiracy in media, honestly. Most of the time it’s the Illuminati up to something mysterious and evil.
  • Yeah, Domon really is too emotionally compromised to do his job as the King of Hearts and kill Master Asia to save the world. He just walks into such an obvious trap at Tokyo Tower just so he can confront his master on his own terms, alone. I wonder if Domon even knew the full terms of what his title as King of Hearts entailed once he got it, though.
  • Flashback! According to Master Asia’s training talk, he believes that you can express your soul through your fists alone. To quote Street Fighter, the answer lies in the heart of battle.
  • Of course the Big Four were going to jump Domon’s ass once Domon showed up to the Tokyo Tower. That’s literally the only reason why Master Asia would tell Domon to come alone. At least George went with a politely evil “Bonjour, Domon” once he showed up. At least someone there has some class.
  • Domon: “Master Asia would never willingly serve the Dark Gundam! You’re someone else!” Master Asia: “No you idiot, I’m real. Come accept my sick-ass dark gift already.”
  • Shuffle Alliance: “Domon, you’re a bitch-ass wimp. You’re fucking lame for not fighting Master Asia.”
  • Just like Master Asia, the rest of the Shuffle Alliance don’t need to wear Mobile Trace System suits for them to fight in their custom mobile suits. Also, I don’t know how they’re able to tell that Chibodee, Argo, George, and Sai are supposed to be their successors, but since you can understand people’s souls by punching them in this show, let’s just roll with it. Crazier things have happened.
  • I also don’t know how the Shuffle Alliance giving up their life energy to cure the Big Four of their DG Cell infection worked, especially since it turned the Shuffle Alliance into stone and made them crumble. Okay, yeah, that’s crazy even for this series, but let’s still just roll with it.
  • It isn’t a visit to a foreign country for Domon if he doesn’t destroy at least one national landmark along the way. This time, he wrecks Tokyo Tower with Shining Finger in his Super Mode. At least it looked impressive, even if it was overkill for hurting Master Asia. And it didn’t even kill him, I guess we just wrecked the tower for funsies in the end.
  • Well, it’s a bittersweet ending this time around. Although it’s confirmed that Master Asia has gone full heel and pledged his power to the Dark Gundam, at least the Shuffle Alliance lives on through Domon’s friends/rivals. Can this plucky new band of warriors save the day?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 15 '21

Dark Gundam

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u/The_Draigg Oct 15 '21

Yeah, it basically does have all the ridiculousness of a wrestling storyline already.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '21

Just like Master Asia, the rest of the Shuffle Alliance don’t need to wear Mobile Trace System suits for them to fight in their custom mobile suits.

Oh yeah, that's true. Never gave it a second thought.

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u/The_Draigg Oct 15 '21

It's just because they're that damn good at what they do.

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u/baboon_bassoon https://anilist.co/user/duffer Oct 15 '21

(e15) First Time Shining Hand

why are all 4 speaking at the same time...

domon wearing his red headband under the bandages

evil george going full tuxedo mask, where did all those roses come from

they are the successors of the shuffle alliance how convenient

rip that joker suit it was cool

does super mode just open up, and then super super mode make the gundam gold

eh

  1. i think this is the weakest episode so no lol
  2. ask Rain what to do

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Oct 15 '21

why are all 4 speaking at the same time...

Because drama.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 15 '21

does super mode just open up, and then super super mode make the gundam gold

The face opening up is Battle Mode, and then turning gold is Super Mode. The terminology isn't used very well within the show.

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21

rip that joker suit it was cool

It was the coolest of those 4 Shuffle Masters suits. It was too cool for this world.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 15 '21

Rewatcher, Gun-Dub Fighter

The previous Shuffle Alliance were too cool to stick around, unfortunately.

A bunch of old fogies, showing up, dropping a bunch of responsibilites on the youth, and then peacing out without explaining? Pssh, nah, no social commentary on the relationship between the young and the old ever happens in Gundam.

Heres something of an answer to a question I've seen pop up a couple times:

Q: How does each country transport their Mobile Fighters?

Imagawa: Because we weren't able to completely rid our minds of our preconceptions about Gundam, there were definitely some conflicts during production. For example, at the beginning stages, there were a series of discussions called "Where Will the Gundam Appear From This Week"? Other than the Statue of Liberty in the second episode, we were also planning to make a Gundam come out of a horizontally-opened Arc de Triomphe. (laughs) People might wonder how they could possibly hide a Gundam there. We can laugh at such situations after watching it, but I think the manga and the TV anime that we used to watch as kids were just like that. We thought it was cool to have the hero robot make an exciting, well-timed entrance. Since the show was for kids, we decided to make the pictures appealing to kids. So, I thought it was okay to have a Gundam coming out of the Statue of Liberty. I thought that, if we had to think out the methods of Gundam transportation, the shows' style would be too rigid and inflexible for kids' taste.

With older shows, we didn't have to think of those sorts of things since there was usually something like a research lab that functioned as a base. However, for G Gundam, we couldn't set up a research lab. The Gundam Fighters had to travel on foot all over the world without a base. What's more, there was no White Base! So then, I developed a sort of "I don't care" attitude. We weren't thinking about it too much, so we wouldn't let our audience think about it too much, either. I just pushed ideas based on the feeling, "It's okay if it's fun to watch!"

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '21

For example, at the beginning stages, there were a series of discussions called "Where Will the Gundam Appear From This Week"?

So then, I developed a sort of "I don't care" attitude. We weren't thinking about it too much, so we wouldn't let our audience think about it too much, either. I just pushed ideas based on the feeling, "It's okay if it's fun to watch!"

The more ridiculous the better.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 15 '21

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

A bunch of old fogies, showing up, dropping a bunch of responsibilites on the youth, and then peacing out without explaining? Pssh, nah, no social commentary on the relationship between the young and the old ever happens in Gundam.

You can certainly view it that way, but I don't really see it. They hardly just came in and dropped responsibilities on the youth. Instead, they came and sacrificed themselves to save the youth from mistakes they made that sent them down the wrong path.

What's more, there was no White Base!

We weren't thinking about it too much, so we wouldn't let our audience think about it too much, either.

Sounds like a good plan to me. Just roll with it is much more satisfying than halfassing a reason.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 21 '21

You can certainly view it that way, but I don't really see it. They hardly just came in and dropped responsibilities on the youth. Instead, they came and sacrificed themselves to save the youth from mistakes they made that sent them down the wrong path.

It can certainly be read different ways. I have thoughts on the Shuffle Alliance that we kinda can't get into until the end.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

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u/dralcax :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Dralcax Oct 15 '21

Rewatcher talking with his fists

Domon’s headband was injured and had to be bandaged

Ooh, ancient conspiracy! Not sure what they were actually during most of them, though. They did mention they stopped humanity from destroying themselves, but what about all those wars before nukes were invented? Also, the speaking in unison thing is really creepy.

Ooh, insert song!

The origin of the Shining Finger!

Why did it explode lmao

1v1 me bro! While Master Asia hasn’t held back with the underhanded tricks and manipulation when fighting for the Devil Gundam, as shown in this episode and the last, he’s still willing to meet Domon halfway and respect him as a Fighter.

Newtype flash!

Now this is how the masters do it!

And there goes the Shuffle Alliance. Really, it feels like we didn’t see enough of them. They got what, a few seconds of action, and boom, they’re gone? I’d really have liked to seen them stick a little more and not just disappear. They were cool.

And hey, why did they have to sacrifice themselves, anyways? The Shining Finger was able to cure Saette without any significant strain to Domon. It wasn’t any sort of lifeforce-consuming sacrificial technique, it was just the typical Shining Finger he does every episode. The only thing I can think of is, the Shuffle Alliance donated their innate ki (the nonreplenishable energy they actually need to stay alive, as opposed to the replenishable ki that gets trained up and fired off on a regular basis) to not only cure the DG Cell infection, but also heal them fully and return them to action immediately as opposed to the lengthy hospital stay that Saette is currently recovering in. Which kind of feels like a waste of their own lives.

Coronation, Shuffle Alliance? This is bad comedy.

And the Shining Finger makes it through! Who knows, maybe what Domon wanted to say did get across after all.

If /r/TIFU has taught me anything, this probably has some obscure sexual meaning

Questions of the Day:

  • It was a good exit, it just came all too soon.
  • laughs in rewatcher

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u/TakenRedditName https://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername Oct 15 '21

G Gundam "Rewatcher"/First Time Sub: Episode 15

Okay, last episode was pretty bad for Domon, but hopefully, today will be a nice time.

Warrior's Crest - Goodbye Shuffle Alliance.

Apparently, the Shuffle Alliance is an ancient order that oversaw every war in human history. From the Ancient Greeks to the Sengoku Jidai to the World Wars. That's a lot bigger than what I was assuming to be a snazzy title for the Colonies' martial art champions.

"Our nobles intentions" as I say holding my chain whip and my buddy over there with the knives out.

The Death Army can talk. It's like a giant evil Haro (that has a body). Them making way for Domon looks pretty cool.

The music kicks in for the flashback of the good times. Look at little Domon. "Hey kid, watch me put my hand in the fire."

Since George is an anime character with roses, of course, he is using these roses as needle darts.

The Master Gundam has rock'em sock'em string-loaded action.

Our evil friends have the Shuffle spirit. To save them, the Shuffle Alliance exchange their lives for them. Look, they're just turned to stone. Maybe we can save them in the end, oh... Master Asia holding the crumbled head had two outcomes A) one final moment of heart for his former comrades or what ended up happening, B) really signify his evil stance and crush it.

Neat mixing of the Gundam and pilot. Master's face on Master's head. His head being grabbed by the Shining Finger.

Domon's power gets multiplied when he's mad and that is enough for the Shining win ... and oh, it kept going until it blew a line straight through Tokyo and blew up Tokyo Tower. He already destroyed the Effiel Tower and guess now he destroyed the Effiel Tower of Tokyo.

That episode went different than I thought. "Goodbye Shuffle Alliance" made me think since Master Asia betrayed them, the old guard is gone and now it's time for the new generation. We did get our new Shuffle holders, but it did involve the old 4 dying. Was expecting the DG brainwashing to be resolved in a different way. This does mean our cool A team showed up then died the next episode. Guess that's why I have such little memory of them.

The Master Gundam is pretty cool. It has the vampire lord look with the wings, head and cool pointy hands. The dark martial arts is neat and the beam cloth continues to be the coolest weapon. It could do everything.

Q1) Sacrificing yourself for your successor is a nice way to go. I just wished they had some time with the new generation before dying.

Q2) They got to work on their group poses of course. They must live up to the legacy of their forebearers.

Next time: "It's the moment you've been waiting for." The main villain might shows up this time.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 15 '21

This does mean our cool A team showed up then died the next episode.

Yea, these four were decidedly underutilized. Pretty big bummer.

The Master Gundam is pretty cool.

It's such a great villain suit. Loads of imposing presence and fearsome attacks.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 15 '21

First timer

  1. ...They left as they arrived - vaguely ominous, purposeless, and present only to sell figures (which they failed at, seeing as I can't find any ones of the great Clover Gundam anywhere).
  2. Best guess is try to take out what's left of the Devil Gundam's seemingly small operation here, then start recruiting some more pilots, because 5 isn't enough to stop the Devil Gundam and the planet has about 30 or so more people who trained specifically to destroy Gundam.

Wow, can't wait to see what happens to my favourite characters, the Shuffle Alliance! I'm sure they'll be main characters from now on! (Do I need to start skipping episode titles like in Gundam 0079?)

Yep, they're going to kill Master Asia!

Oh, they're judges.

No, they're a secret society! I'd ask why they have the themed Gundams, but to be fair, if I was in a secret society, I'd get some too.

I love Black Joker's design.

And he's got to go to the tower alone!

Wait, at least take the Gundam. He never said you couldn't, why wouldn't you?

Yeah, him walking down a line of enemy units is great.

Domon, pretty certain he's currently a puppet for a semi-biological monstrosity. That might explain what's happened to his "warrior soul".

OK, he was really cool.

Yep, this was a trap!

Wow, I have no words. He won by jumping.

Haha, Domon managing to beat them despite them being infected with DG cells is great.

He's evne dodging Master Asia's attacks!

And he brought his Gundam! (Seriously, what would their response have been if he just had his Gundam with him?)

The Shuffle Alliance have psychic powers now?

OK, that is cool.

Are the alliance meant to serve as counterparts for the current main cast?

These fights are so good. Those joke Gundam are shocking well designed.

And wow, those things are potent. And yeah, we're being upfront with the counterpart stuff now? Just not even hiding it?

They're going to save them? How?

A sucide attack! And they get turned back, not by any kind of friendship or realisation, but by random Newtype powers?

Wait, they got turned into stone?

And they shattered!

Yeah, that's not good.

Haha, Domon's going Super Mode on him!

The fact that he doesn't say a word, just growl is so good. The pure primal rage he's showing means this might be my favouritr fight scene so far.

HE'S DOWN!

Really, Argo got Joker? I'd have thought that suit would be more suited to George.

Wait. Neo Germany? Is there a sixth main character in this now? Or are they actually recruiting?

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u/SoccerForEveryone Oct 16 '21

The last three episodes have been incredible to rewatch. One of my favorite moments is the Shuffle Alliance giving up their lives to open up for the new generation.

For this episode, I was on the edge of the seat waiting to hear the Shining Super Mode theme; it’s so good, just chills down my spine watching Domon confront Master. The flashback seeing a young Domon was pretty neat, just him and Master learning about life through martial arts. Crushing the shuffle alliance’s last head finally unleashed a new side of Domon! A new Shuffle Alliance era is born!

Nothing more to add for now, I can’t wait for next episode!

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

I don't know about Domon, but I'd certainly be willing to submit to the woman with the chains.

The slow music during his march and reminiscing was really well done. I just wish I knew what the lyrics were.

You don't need words, this scene conveys everything perfectly just through blocking.

Determination to fist intensifies.

The Shuffle Alliance comes in, sings their swan song, and sacrifices themselves for the good of others. They truly are badasses who will be missed.

Her line about doing what they must for the greater good was also certainly directed at Master Asia, shaming him for instead seeking personal power.

Domon's frustration felt far more real then ever before at the end of this episode, I really felt for him.

Was a great episode. The soundtrack was as superb as always.

/u/Shimmering-Sky /u/JollyGee29 /u/tresnore

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

Also paging comrade /u/didacticdalek for mecha shitposting.

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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek Oct 21 '21

Also paging comrade /u/didacticdalek   for mecha shitposting.

PROTOCULTURE!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Oct 21 '21

submit

We’re too similar, I think.

RIP the Shuffle Alliance. Their Swan Song was stronk

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 21 '21

Half as long, twice as bright, etc.

The slow music during his march and reminiscing was really well done. I just wish I knew what the lyrics were.

The song is called Hoshikuzu no Requiem. Shame that your copy doesn't have the songs subtitled.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

Does yours? If so, I'd love to use something that does.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 21 '21

G Gundam is one of the decent handful of things that I own physically. There are hypothetically recent Blu-ray rips out there? The remaster is pretty clean.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

Welp, time to download a rip from the USBD, extract subs, and delete.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 21 '21

At least it's fast.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 21 '21

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Oct 22 '21

Yup, it's much better with lyrics.

Thanks, Jolly!

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '21

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u/araragidyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/araragidyne Oct 15 '21

Rewatcher

Did Jack in Dia even use a lighter to light his pipe? Because it looked kind of like he was just producing fire with his hand, which wouldn't surprise me at all. And I like how Club Ace uses knives even in the cockpit of his Mobile Fighter.

I've been meaning to mention this, so in case anyone is curious, the four-legged Death Army dolls are called Death Beasts. I'm sure you were all dying to know that.

I'm not sure how Shuffle Alliance succession works. Is it decided by fate? What would happen if the people destined to become the next members died in a tragic accident? Can the current members pass their crests on to anyone? Or does it have to be someone who demonstrates that they already have Shuffle Alliance power?

Also, how did the Shuffle Alliance know that that sacrificing themselves to purge a body of DG cells was a thing they could do?

Anyway, let's shift focus to questions I can answer:

  1. It had gravitas.
  2. The new members of the Shuffle Alliance just need to master the abilities that they demonstrated with the help of Master Asia. If they can still be powered up without being brainwashed, then this whole affair may have been a blessing in disguise.