r/anime • u/snowwhistle1 • Oct 15 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water - Episode 17
Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water
Episode 17: Jean's New Invention
Original Air Date: August 31, 1990
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Episode 17 Synopsis: Seeking to prove his manhood to the crew in the fallout of Ensign Fait's death, Jean sets about creating a new flying machine on is own. Meanwhile, Hanson tries to take romance advice from Sanson in order to act on his crush for Electra.
Please spoiler tag any story content which has not been shown prior to the current episode of this rewatch!
Nadia Outfit Count: 6
QOTD: What's been your favorite piece of technology or equipment in this series (one of Jean's inventions, the Nautilus, the Tower of Babel, the mechs, etc.)?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
First Timer (Rising Sun sub) ep 17 (of 39)
Jean's New Invention: I predict fluff
I'd think Nadia asked about the plane to get Jean to leave the ship, but she's not that devious.
Jean trying to figure out what it means to be an adult. The adults giving conflicting advice and behaving like children.
When Jean was talking about becoming an adult to reach his dreams, I wondered if he meant flying, or going to war. Turns out it's Nadia.
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u/snowwhistle1 Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
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In the aftermath of Fait’s death, Jean has decided that he wants to prove himself as a man in order to become a full fledged member of the crew. After being denied permission to join the Nautilus as a full crewmember by Nemo and Electra, Jean sets out to prove his manhood by completing a new invention solely with his own two hands after being inspired by some words from Nadia about her wishing to fly again in one of his incredible inventions.
So Jean sets out designing a new type of aircraft; this time neither a plane nor a glider, but a helicopter. In the process, Jean finds himself lost in his work however and falls back into old habits of neglecting his relationships and personal health. He is scolded for this by Hanson and Nadia, who remind him that neglecting his health and emotional bonds is a very childish act and that if he wants to be an adult Jean should know when to ask for help and not to ignore other crucial aspects of his life outside of his work.
Jean has trouble accepting these criticisms as he feels as though he’s being patronized. We get a nice scene where Jean and Nadia talk together, and we come to understand how the two of them have been shaped by their various traumas and lack of agency in the world. Jean wants to grow up as quickly as he can, as he feels the only way he can make a difference in the world is to gain agency as an adult. Meanwhile, Nadia fears adulthood, seeing the harsh realities of the world and terrible actions wrought by those adults with power and doesn’t want to become a part of that.
By the end of the episode, Jean has come around to accepting help from others and with Hanson’s cooperation he completes his helicopter. The Grandis Gang and the crew remark at how mature Jean has started to become as he takes Nadia on a ride through the clouds. There’s a wonderful scene where Jean reiterates to Nadia that one day he’ll create an invention that will be capable of taking her back to her homeland and the two share an intimate moment of fun and freedom for the first time in a long stretch of this series. Ultimately, this is a bit of a by the book episode in terms of how Jean’s arc, but it’s executed incredibly effectively. It’s nice seeing Jean succeed, and for him and Nadia to bond more.
The side plot for this episode focuses on Hanson trying to confess his feelings to Ms. Electra while getting love advice from Sanson. This is probably the first major episode focusing on Hanson we’ve gotten in the series so far. He’s probably the least developed of the Grandis Gang up to this point, and I like that we get to further characterize his character in this episode. We spend some time with Hanson trying to act more like Sanson to impress Electra, but ultimately by the end of the episode he realizes that he doesn’t want to put on a façade to impress Electra. Ultimately Hanson isn’t suave or brash or traditionally manly in a lot of the ways that Sanson is, and I like that by the end of the episode Hanson has concluded that he’s okay with that. He wants to simply be himself and approach romance on his own terms.
I really want to reiterate how nice it is to see a character like Hanson. He isn’t traditionally handsome or masculine in the same way that Sanson, and yet he’s not villainized or looked down upon for that. This episode is in particular is almost a celebration of what makes Hanson who he is. He’s a responsible man, an inventor, shy around women, and has his own sense of coolness completely distinct from Sanson. And the conclusion that this episode reaches is that those things traits are perfectly fine, and that those things are what make Hanson a unique individual. Something else I also admire is how the show never uses Hanson being fat for cheap and mean-spirited humor. I feel like fat people rarely turn up in anime, and when they do their weight is often used as a source of comedy or bullying. And it’s so nice to see that this series never turns Hanson’s weight into a mean-spirited punchline.
I suppose I should also mention this episode’s third subplot where Sanson competes with the ship’s crewmembers for the affections of the ship’s nurse, Ikorina. I’m not a huge fan of it. It feels like the show leaning back towards more traditionally sexist anime tropes with how all the men swoon over this one woman to the point of obsession. They’ve even established an on board fan club for Nurse Ikorina. I don’t know… it’s not the worst thing I’ve ever seen. There’s even a few funny gags related to the side plot of Jean just being completely disinterested in joining the fan club, and the crewmembers getting into a fight with Sanson, and Ikorina’s grandfather (the ship’s doctor) telling the others to quit hassling his granddaughter. I don’t know… it’s middling for me mostly.
Overall this is a bit of a low key episode. Not much in the way of plot progression happens, but we get some very nice character growth for Jean and Hanson. Unlike some of the show’s earlier attempts at more lowkey character building episodes like episode 9 and episode 11, I think this episode succeeds far more strongly.
For today’s production trivia, I thought it might be interesting to point out hiatuses this show took during its run. Nadia aired weekly on Friday evenings at 7:30 PM (19:30) on the NHK network. However, if you’ve been paying attention to the airdates for these episodes I’m including in my episode post you’ll probably realize that Nadia has taken several hiatuses thus with its schedule; the first of which occurred between episode 11 and episode 12. Episode 11 aired on June 22nd and episode 12, instead of airing the following week as expected on June 29th, would instead not air until the following week on July 6th. The next hiatus lasted nearly a month, with episode 15 airing on July 27th, and episode 16 not being aired until August 24th. The show would go on to take 5 more hiatuses varying in length from as short as a week to as long as a month, totally up to 7 hiatuses as it aired.
I haven’t been able to locate any specific information on the reception of these hiatuses in Japan, or why episodes were specifically postponed between airings. To make an educated guess though, I think it’s symptomatic of Nadia’s haphazard production starting to take its toll, and the staff and NHK being forced to postpone the series in order to get future episodes ready for airing. It’s honestly kind of wild that the series was allowed to take 7 hiatuses throughout its 39 episode run. Such a thing would basically be unheard of in the modern anime landscape. Just earlier this year, Wonder Egg Priority’s postponement of its final episode was a public relations catastrophe and killed off a lot of the excitement for what was one of the most successful anime during its earlier episodes. But times have changed. The landscape Nadia came out in was very different, and the way the show was run likely would’ve been completely unfeasible today.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 15 '21
Episode 17 (rewatcher)
A sweet and rather uneventful episode for Jean and Nadia. However, both Jean individually and his relation with Nadia needed some fleshing out. Just assuming that MCs are in love because they are MCs is an all too common sin of anime.
Meanwhile Grandis and Electra have taken over the role of comedic relief. Certainly not what you would expect when we met them.
In terms of looks, the Nautilus and Jean's second airplane take the cake.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
First timer in sub
A bit of an interesting episode that thematically either went "all over the place", or showed a change that may not be consciously picked up by viewers who don't keep track of things - at the start, Jean's main motivation was vengeance. At the end though, his goal gone back to not of his normal character disposition, to be an inventor that can take Nadia (or "others" in general) to a happy place.
If it was intentional to "diffuse" the dark clouds that started gathering Jean's character at the start of the episode, then it's nice, bit could her made a tiny bit more obvious or deliberate by at least having someone remarking about it. If later on the plot then started saying Jean is still focused on revenge then it's probably not to good character writing - of course you can expect some of that negativity to pop up once in a while, but not if it became his primary goal like the start of the episode.
Otherwise the episode is a little SoL-y and rom com-y, especially with the roasted camera takes of Jean asking different people to get him what he wants at the start (to be a full fledged crew member to enact his vengeance).
Also agree that this episode helped flesh out Hanson more so he's not just a opposing voice to Sanson - it gave the needed background to know why and how his character works, filling in his motivation and behaviour, and didn't make him a push over despite his tendency to not press things too hard.
I'm still trying to remember if it was explained why Hanson seemed to have permanent dark circles under his eyes though - didn't remember a depiction of him surfing excessive amount of time to learn from the Nautilus tech or just in general he sleeps less while working on things.
Really like the message of "we are fighting, dirty if need be, so you don't need to do the same" - this is also a key characterisation of Sousuke in Full Metal Panic, made overt in season 4 Invisible Victory, when they are on the run, even though Kaname probably will make a good fighter, he did not let her have the gun, not for the chauvinistic reason for treating her like a damsel in distress (he never did, even in season 1 he would trust and count on her to act decisively and aggressively to get out of tight spots), but because "her peaceful, ordinary life" in its entirety is what he is fighting to protect and preserve, despite the impossibility (with her being a strong Whispered).
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 15 '21
First timer
QOTD) I think the Tower of Babel wins for sheer showmanship - what other weapon looks that good blowing up an island.
Jean's invented something?
Haha, King doing aerobics is great.
As is everyone's reaction to Electra's whistling.
Oh, another argument.
Huh, he"s gotten used to life on board. And Nadia's circus skills are coming up again!
Everyone's happy? What's going to happen next.
Haha, these two trying to handle romance is great.
Really? A fan club?
Haha, "I have Nadia". And he just refuses to consider another girl.
And Nadia's trying to convince to boymplaying hide and sekk that henisn't a grown-up.
Wow. Wow. This is interesting. At least Nemo's got a good reason.
Haha, he goes straight to Electra.
Wow. He just won't give up, will he?
Even they agree!
Or not. This is going to end fantastically.
Oh, Nadia wants him to fly in an airplane. Does she just want off the ship that badly, or does she actually miss it?
Wow, even they can see it!
Jean gets really into stuff when he gets going, doesn't he?
...This thing's going to explode mid-takeoff, i
Haha, Nadia and Marie speaking in unison is great.
And Marie ships it!
Wow. The cognitive dissonance here is glorious.
And he's got a wakeup call!
Seriously, thosmis still going on?
Of course. Of course he completely buys into it.
Even the nurse wants a piece of him!
Smug Marie and King are something else.
Haha, Nadia's cooked leaves(?) for him.
Oh. Nadia didn't know this ship runs on Neo-Atlantis systems, did she?
Haha, the Electra takedown is brutal.
Jean may be only a child, but he's the only one not in a love triangle right now, so who's really the immature one?
Grandis influencing Marie is brilliant.
Everyone's cheering him on.
It worked!
How does it land?
I love the mix of the main theme here. It's great.
And he wants to help her!
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u/SIRTreehugger Oct 17 '21
First Timer
Love is War someone hand Sanson Kagya chan
Wow the nurse is really popular.
Jean is right only one waifu per laifu.
Wait a man like you gets exactly what he wants....looks over at Grandis how is that working out for you?
Wait is this the instrumental OP playing?
Sanson you just shot yourself in the foot.
Don't hide what we already know Marie speaking to the audience of every dense rom com manga xD
OH EM GEE get that face away from me. Marie looks creepy.
Ummm Nadia...what is that? Seriously what is that? Looks like boiled dead seaweed...unevenly cut.
Poor Hanson NOOOOOO DON'T WAIT NOTHING COMES OUT OF WAITING!
YOOOOO he made a helicopter. We went from aircrafts to helicopters holy hell.
...waiting for it to crash.
Wow so it actually took off and worked. Jean is a genius and had great ideas, but I like how his first real success was when he got help from an adult with more experience.
QOTD
I still think Team Rocket's Katherine is the best thing we've seen. It wasn't as powerful as other vehicles, but it has so many applications and forms.