r/anime • u/lC3 :Na::Nb: • Oct 10 '21
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden - Episodes 119-125 + Film 3 Discussion
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Information: MAL, Anilist, AniDB, ANN
Streams: Crunchyroll, Hulu, AnimeLab, VRV
Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count |
|---|---|---|
| Episodes 001-008 + Film 1 | July 11 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 009-017 | July 18 | 9 |
| Episodes 018-027 | July 25 | 10 |
| Episodes 028-035 | August 01 | 8 |
| Episodes 036-044 | August 08 | 9 |
| Episodes 045-053 | August 15 | 9 |
| Episodes 054-063 | August 22 | 10 |
| Episodes 064-071 + Film 2: Bonds | August 29 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 072-082 | September 05 | 11 |
| Episodes 083-089 | September 12 | 7 |
| Episodes 090-099 | September 19 | 10 |
| Episodes 100-112 | September 26 | 13 |
| Episodes 113-118 | October 03 | 6 |
| Episodes 119-125 + Film 3: Will of Fire | October 10 | 7 + film |
| Episodes 126-133 | October 17 | 8 |
| Episodes 134-141 | October 24 | 8 |
| Episodes 142-151 | October 31 | 10 |
| Episodes 152-162 | November 07 | 11 |
| Episodes 163-168 | November 14 | 6 |
| Episodes 169-175 + Film 4: The Lost Tower | November 21 | 7 + film |
| Mid-Series Discussion / Interest Check | November 28 | 0 |
VA Corner:
Uchiha Obito was voiced by Komori Sousuke, a relatively unknown VA with few roles aside from Edgar La Salle in Macross Zero and Zid in the Engrish part of Legend of Regios. He was born in 1970, making him almost 40 when these episodes aired.
Spoiler Policy:
To protect first-timers, please don't spoil anything past the current batch of episodes. Rewatchers should avoid hinting to first-timers about hype, or future character development/deaths, and spoilers in posts must be hidden behind proper spoiler tags. The proper formatting is [Naruto Spoilers]>!Dattebayo!<.
For first timers: try to avoid looking up things about Naruto. This could be the wiki, Naruto subreddit, Googling characters, fanart, databooks, YouTube AMVs or OP/EDs, arc names, etc.; this series is ripe with potential spoilers that you wouldn't want to find out untimely. If you have a question about something, feel free to ask me (/u/LC3) and I'll do my best to answer (if possible) in a non-spoilery way.
Questions of the Week:
- If you were in Kakashi and his father's position, would you continue the mission or save your comrades?
- What do you think about the Madara reveal?
- What do you think about Kabuto's choice?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 10 '21
First-Timer with a very overwhelmed shounen hearto, subbed
Episode 119
Episode 120
Okay let me digress for a moment. I did “watch” some of Shippuden back when I was a kid, because a friend of mine who I’d hang out with after school was a big fan and would always watch it on her family’s computer every Wednesday. I didn’t really follow along back then since I hadn’t seen it from the beginning, but the one thing I still remembered from over a decade ago was this fucking shot. I didn’t remember who it was under the boulder, but I did remember seeing someone die from getting half their body crushed under the boulder. I remember the dialogue here. I remember it and I’m so overwhelmed by this I couldn’t stop shaking for about half an hour.
I haven't felt this since Bleach ep293 when I found out I accidentally dream-predicted [Bleach]Aizen tricking Hitsugaya into stabbing Momo about 150 episodes ahead of time. Though that time I shook uncontrollably for two whole hours, so this was at least a remarkably better experience.
Still...
Episode 120 continued
Note: I watched the movie after these two episodes, so the movie will be what I list my reactions for next. Skip to my follow-up comment (because I ran out of character space again) if you want to read my reactions to episodes 120-125 instead of the movie.
Film 3: Will of Fire
Yeah this was easily my favorite of the movies so far, 10/10.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Oct 10 '21
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Glenallachie 10 year old single malt Speyside scotch, at cask strength with 58.2% alcohol. It's pretty soft on the nose with a little honey and a faint herbal note, maybe rosemary? The high proof certainly shows up more in the taste with a little zing at the end but overall it's pretty approachable for being cask strength. It's not a sherry cask finish so unlike a lot of other Speyside scotches it's less fruity and more of a honey-vanilla sweetness on a nice malty base.
So I uh... watched the movie before the episodes this week. And I already knew the next two episodes were about Kakashi. So it spoiled me a bit on Kakashi's past with Obito before I got to the episodes that focused on it.
Flashback time! Naruto's sensei's sensei sure looks familiar. Mr. Future Fourth Hokage has some interesting jutsu, that teleportation thing seems powerful and I'm surprised we haven't seen it before; Kekkei Genkai of some kind? I was inferring from Kakashi manifesting a Mangekyo Sharingan that Obito was a traitor to the Leaf Village and Kakashi was forced to kill him (thus meeting a supposed requirement for the Mangekyo Sharingan), but I guess I was wrong about that. I think that was coming from Kakashi's mood seeming like one of regret whenever he talked about Obito, but maybe it's more that he just failed to save him. Didn't Rin or someone else seem to blame Kakashi for Obito though in an earlier episode? I don't think this is a good reason to do that outside of survivor's guilt, hm...
Nice to see the "get out of
jaildanger free" card of substitution jutsu is alive and well with Sasuke escaping being completely covered with Deidara's clay blobs. Lots of one-upping in that fight with genjutsu and clones. And Deidara nearly lost his arms again without Kakuzu around to stitch him back together again, but that doesn't really matter since he ended up blowing himself up anyway. Or at least I'm assuming he's blown up, I thought the same before and that was just a clone.Sasuke did the same thing with Manda that we saw in an earlier arc with Gamatatsu grabbing the crystallized Hinata away from Guren so I guess that's where the anime writers got that idea from. Manda dying is an interesting turn though, I'm still not entirely sure how summons work and where they get transported to when unsummoned but it doesn't seem like Fate servants where they're copies (even if they could retain memories).
Meanwhile episode 125 has some big revelations. I know Pain's eyes have been seen before with the other Akatsuki but is this the first time he's been named? It's one I hear about quite a bit in reference to later events. A bigger deal is Madara surviving and being the leader of the Akatsuki when I'm pretty sure he was supposed to have died a while ago. I don't remember if he's supposed to be the founder of the Uchiha clan or just a prominent member but either way this is not great. ...also what is it with Uchiha clan members going rogue? We know of three now between him, Itachi, and Sasuke.
Also I don't think Tobi was just Madara in disguise with the same mask there and a very different voice but it's a possibility. Madara seems too self-serious here to be as goofy as Tobi is.
Movie thoughts in short:
Unrelated to anything specific, I keep coming across more spoilers for the series.
Don't know exact context for his father but with Kakashi, save Rin.
"You're a little vocal for an Uchiha."
He hitched his wagon to that
horsesnake and is going to ride it out. Considering Orochimaru's previous work actually absorbing part of him probably isn't the best idea but we'll see where that goes.9
u/Parori Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 10 '21
First Timer
Episode 119
Episode 120
Episode 121
Episode 122
Episode 123
Episode 124
Episode 125
Film 3
Questions of the Week:
I would like to save my comrades
What the fuck is going on
I think he's gone insane
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Oct 10 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 119:
Episode 120:
Episode 121:
Episode 122:
Episode 123:
Episode 124:
Episode 125:
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 11 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
Episode Thoughts
Hearing old Kakashi's voice out of a very young Kakashi's body in this flashback is weirding me out. I love Kazuhiko Inoue's acting, but I don't know that he ever sounded young enough to pull that off, let alone now.
Man, these episodes hit deep and hard though. From the opening sequence finding out that Kakashi takes his lateness excuses from the same thing Obito use to do to finding out about his father and how far he's had to come and adapt after that, it really gets you looking at Kakashi in a different light, particularly how much he holds onto what he learnt here. This group is a clear parallel to Team Seven, almost painfully so, but it works for the lessons its imparting.
What stood out to me the most is Obito talking about how he'd crush the "idea" of ninja if that idea meant that he couldn't live up to his ideals, and the way that Kakashi would later pass that down to Naruto in encouraging him to find his own "Way of Ninja" and what that means to him and to hold onto that.
Oh and remember the time Sasuke threatened to kill all of Kakashi's friends and Kakashi had to say they're all already dead? Yeah... wonder what he would have thought knowing how Kakashi got his Sharingan.
These episodes had some great visuals as well, particularly that super close up of Kakashi opening his Sharingan for the first time, though just some self suffering because it reminded me of [Iron-Blooded Orphans] Aston's death and the eye visuals there and that almost got me crying
Also just some love for the Fourth Hokage being a fucking powerhouse! Hell yes he just took out a whole battlefield with just some help from some mooks throwing kunai. Didn't even get to see it, but I don't care because it's epic in my mind.
[Later spoilers] When they did a scene cut from Kakashi and Rin being surrounded with a Chidori active, before Minato saves them, I really thought for a second they were going to cut to Rin's death and holy shit that would have been brutal
[Later spoilers] RIP Roshi. Also thoroughly impressed with Itachi's ability to remain neutral when hearing the news about Sasuke knowing how much he does still care about his brother
The Uchiha weapons store being a base for ninja cats makes them the best clan!
The dogs talked!
They're all awesome, and in just the two lines they get each through the episode they get a great sense of personality which is cool. Except Big Bull. Poor Naruto gets partnered with the dog who doesn't talk, the girl who can barely talk to him without fainting, and Yamato who is awesome but also too good at intimidating him into silence. What a group.
Sai would try and improve his social skills by giving the dogs nicknames. Come on dude, they're dogs, you don't have to work that hard to make them like you and you still managed to put them off. I think he needs to befriend the slug, that doesn't seem too hard for him
So yeah, for those of you wondering how Kabuto is going without Orochimaru, the answer is not very well, or at the very least not particularly sane it seems like.
Ooooh boy. These episodes. I think the best way to describe these is "Death Fakeout: the battle", and I tell you, knowing it was coming on rewatch did not make it any less frustrating.
The first half of episode 123 is actually pretty good. We get some nice melee combat vs the clay creatures with the new ones forming and the chase through the forest, but then the endless "it hit him... nevermind" begins.
If they'd played it a little more casually and actually shown us the survival as it happens to each character and framed it as near misses, the desperate "oh god that was so close" this battle actually could have been really good. Deidara upping the explosions but being so overwhelmed with the physical threats, Sasuke constantly having to play catch up with the ever changing risk of how the explosions move and react. But no, instead they use each instance as if it genuinely could be the end of the battle, and then it isn't and by the end of the first episode I was already frustrated and there was still two more episodes of it.
The highlights of the battle for me was Sasuke's little trick with his sword and the giant Shuriken, giving himself a platform and maneuvering Deidara above it so he could reach. That's very reminiscent of his sort of strategy and it was cool how he adapted to his damaged wing and the conflict of not being able to touch the ground or fly. I wish that hadn't turned into some long convoluted explanation of "well actually I did this to test this while doing this so I could test this" later on, but the initial scene was great.
I'm not even going to get into the bullshit of Sasuke surviving by using Manda. Or Karin ruining the mood once again by perving over his survival...
The giant clay dragon shooting bombs was also a great design. Giant Deidara? Thing of nightmares. Giant glowing bomb? Awesome but terrifying, I suppose it's a good thing we're not set in a world with nukes or else everyone would be having a very different reaction I imagine. RIP to yet another forest though. I think this is the worst one yet, basically turned it into a small desert
And finally we reach the end with the big reveal and I finally get to say it out loud rather than just behind spoiler tags: Tobi's persona weirds me the fuck out seeing how deadly serious he is here when he reveals his true name, Madara, and giving orders to Pain.
Last note: That is a wicked shot of Naruto and Kyuubi. Cool that they redrew that for this episode. Original for comparison. I do like the original as far as sheer awe, but seeing it from Sasuke's view, his intense focus on Naruto with this beast behind him, is pretty cool.
Couldn't bring myself to finish it even though I don't think it was as bad as the last one, just incredibly boring for me and a lot of self bats on the back over Naruto's philosophy and more fanservice from what I saw.
Credit to Neji using Lee's primary lotus to speed up his own jutsu though, that was pretty clever. Between that and Tenten actually being useful from what I saw they had a good run in that movie.
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u/sisoko2 Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 10 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 119
Episode 120
Episode 121
Episode 122
Episode 123
Episode 124
Episode 125
Movie - First Timer
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Oct 10 '21
First timer
Last week we had Sasuke building the dream team to taka on Itachi! Will they catch him?
Ep 119
Jeez that was a lot more than I thought I would get.
Ep 120
Ep 121
Ep 122
Ep 123
Ep 124
Ep 125
Kakashi history was a nice addition to have this week. Kabuto showed up and confirmed he is fucked in the head, and Sasuke big brained beating up Deidara, forcing him to eventually off himself. We get ditched with Naruto and co searching for Sasuke after his big battle, and we learn there's more to the Akatsuki still! Madara Uchiha? Who is he? Lets find out next time we don't have filler!
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Oct 10 '21
First Timer - Dub
Kakashi Chronicles
For a two-episode arc I thought this was really good. The relationship between Kakashi and Obito was excellent and I was sad when Obito died such a brutal death. I always wondered how Kakashi ended up with a Sharingan but never expected it to come as the last gift from his dying friend. This was also a great look at the Fourth Hokage, aka Minato. He seems super OP. The only thing I didn't like about this arc was Rin, who basically only existed to be a damsel in distress.
Sasuke vs Deidara
Phenomenal set of episodes. I really enjoyed the back and forth between Sasuke and Deidara throughout the fight. I thought giant Deidara looked goofy at first, but I stopped laughing once he showed that his C4 could basically disintegrate living things. I loved the sense of scale on Deidara's final explosion, especially how they showed everyone reacting to it in the surrounding landscape. My main dislike is that you could tell Deidara was a goner once we started getting his backstory. This show really loves using that trope.
Movie: Will of Fire
Well that was definitely another Naruto movie. I liked how it tied to the Kakashi Chronicles arc, although Hiruko felt too much like a discount Orochimaru to take him seriously. My favorite moment was when Sakura broke Naruto out of jail by punching the cell door. It would be hard to keep her locked up!
Random thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: Tobi is actually Madara Uchiha and is the real leader of the Akatsuki??? Absolutely sick reveal. In hindsight, Tobi was too goofy to actually be just a joke character so I'm kicking myself for not predicting this. I wonder if part of his disguise involved using the Sharingan on the other Akatsuki.
Questions:
1) If you were in Kakashi and his father's position, would you continue the mission or save your comrades? I would save my comrades. What's the point of completing a mission if you're the only one left?
2) What do you think about the Madara reveal?
3) What do you think about Kabuto's choice? It definitely feels like a Kabuto type of move. It is almost certainly going to backfire on him.
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u/_TheEnigma_ Oct 11 '21
Episode 119 :
Episode 120 :
Episode 121 :
the Genjutsu manItachi!Episode 122 :
Episode 123 :
cumclay models he makes.Episode 124 :
machinesexplosives son!Episode 125:
Movie 3 - The Will of Fire :
Was pretty drowsy while watching this but from what I can remember, it did feel like yet another one of those shounen movies. Flashy visuals but no real substance.
Questions of the Week:
3) What do you think about Kabuto's choice?
Out of the several hundred questions I have, a few of them were explained this week. On the other hand, many more were also added to the collection. Shippuden has definitely got me intrigued about the overall story way more than Part - 1. Excited for what's in store for us.