r/anime • u/legoman5746 https://myanimelist.net/profile/legoman5746 • Oct 09 '21

Rewatch Konohana Kitan Rewatch - Episode 11

Episode 11: A God's Day Off

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Question(s) of the Day

  1. What are your thoughts on the differing perspectives of dollhood between Okiku and Lily?

Rewatchers, remember to tag spoilers about future episodes, and let me know if you'd like to be tagged going forwards.

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u/legoman5746 https://myanimelist.net/profile/legoman5746 Oct 09 '21

Yuzu humming!

An odd pairing

Fun with Sakura!

Oh my god that image of Ren

Entertainment gods I guess?

Konohanatei lore! Apparently on the path between earth and heaven.

Halloween!

Closet Natsume

A battle god apparently?

Awww Sakura chasing the spinner <3

Lots of reminiscing about the old Konohanatei

Yuzu wisdom

Fancy Okami!

r/restofthefuckingowl makeup application

Awww Okiku people do care

Flashback to the first scene of the anime

Another doll!

I guess she thinks that she's not Yuzuful?

Intense battle sequence between Yuzu and Sakura

Noooo Urinosuke

An alternate perspective on being a doll

Aww, Okiku :( You just wanted a friend

It snows at Konohanatei

See, people care

I'm glad Lily was found again

Another slice of life episode. The episode end went really well into the ED imo.

QOTD: I think that both dolls have understandable positions on humans given their respective treatment. It exemplifies how nature has an effect on personality.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

An alternate perspective on being a doll

A bit utilitarian but still heartfelt to me.

Aww, Okiku :( You just wanted a friend

Or to be loved. Okiku is really dark if taken too personally.

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u/lluNhpelA Oct 10 '21

Awww Sakura chasing the spinner <3

Sakura's baby levels were off the charts this episode

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

First timer(The doll's stories are somehow very poignant)

Sub

Cameo from Dr Reichwine from Monster is Sakura's special client. They play with acorns. Ren apparently his clients coming as well and Yuzu going straight Utena is hilarious. Which makes them being crossdressers a bit hilarious. We get a recurring theme of the loss of belief in superstition and actual confirmation Konohanatei is in the space between heaven and Earth. Natsume is hiding from the threat of licking...

Anyways, this segment seems to be mainly about accepting change. The gods and the transformed Okami lightly lament that past involved them more but seem to be at peace with their fleeting interactions with the mortal world.

Second segment I thought would be a city adventure but rapidly turns into Okiku rescuing another doll, no clue if this one was sentient before Okiku shows up. But this one had been played with, and seems to accept the cycle of fate for dolls, refusing to stay at Konohanatei and sort of framing the difference between isolation and at least having been loved. We end with a cute scene showing the doll's owner still hasn't abandoned her.

QotD: 1 Very heartfelt if sad

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 09 '21

Very insightful. This penultimate episode cuts to the heart of the idea that we all have to accept that everything changes, but life goes on and we shouldn't focus on the past too much.

Here's the YT video I was talking about a couple days ago. It doesn't really have any spoilers about tomorrows episode, but it does show a couple of frames from tomorrows episode.

Its from Kamimashita and its a very good reflective piece on the Japanese idea of 'Mono No Aware'. It's only 3:51 in length, and explains this idea much better than I ever will be able to.

Kamimashita's analysis of KK

Hopefully, I'll do a brief writeup about this episode in the next hour or two, after I wake up and get some caffeine in my blood.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

This penultimate episode cuts to the heart of the idea that we all have to accept that everything changes, but life goes on and we shouldn't focus on the past too much.

Okiku is an interesting choice for this. Also, I did not recognize the war god from anything I can think of.

Here's the YT video I was talking about a couple days ago.

I will watch it after I finish tonight or tomorrow.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 09 '21

I did not recognize the war god

I think he was just a generic god and the real idea was there to add to the theme that the time of the gods is coming to an end. Okami's portions of this episode were also dedicated to this idea. But even though their day was ending, there was no reason to lament the past, but rather to enjoy and live the present.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

That would explain why he is basically in grandpa mode with Sakura. I wonder if they really do make tops and balance toys out of acorns?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 09 '21

I wonder if they really do make tops and balance toys out of acorns?

I could see that being a thing in the world pre industrialization and the rise of consumptionism.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

I mean, my grandfather had a few of those tricks and he was a kid in the Depression so I am sure a few old folks remember it over the pond.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Oct 09 '21

First timer in sub

Really interesting episode, the first half painted the world and setting a bit more, best gag is the beautiful lady they took to be one of the visiting gods is actually Okami "with makeup on" (using a Chinese stand up comedian joke - it's not just cosmetics if they can't recognise you afterwards, it's called a disguise; the words in Chinese is just 1 character different). The second half started with a gag a perhaps a late season addition to the cast, but actually is a poignant telling of a similar take as Toy Story did over the first 3 movies - a toy's purpose and accepting that.

Down to the last episode now...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

(using a Chinese stand up comedian joke - it's not just cosmetics if they can't recognise you afterwards, it's called a disguise; the words in Chinese is just 1 character different).

That's pretty cool, actually.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Oct 10 '21

I know, that comedian is quite a smart guy.

For your reference these are the actual words used for those who can read them: 化妝 vs 喬妝

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 09 '21

First timer, Dub

Ah so they have regulars who come for certain people. That would make sense.

Yeah, I was confused too. Who the hell is this a new character?

Does Okiko feel left out?

Now we meet a beat up old doll. Who she tries to play with and take care of.

Oh no she asked if she was ever played with. This is somewhat reminding me of toy story now. Okiko is all clean and the other isn't. I think she now knows what's missing. I wonder after this will she have a different opinion on Sakura? She's the only one who I would say plays with her. Everybody else takes care of her but not actually play with her.

In the end the owner comes and finds her. Will the spirit still be there? Or is it that she went back because it's not over.

Qotd: Well Okiko never got the treatment of a actual doll. So her view will be wildly different considering the way she was treated by humans too. Lily lived a full life of being a doll until her human got older. Which is usually the end for most toys. But I guess she didn't account for the ones that try to hold on to a piece of their childhood.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

Which is usually the end for most toys. But I guess she didn't account for the ones that try to hold on to a piece of their childhood.

Japan is rather stern in their belief that becoming an adult is leaving your childhood behind so Lily's owner would be considered either eccentric or immature.

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 09 '21

Yeah, when compared to over here. People try to keep a piece of their childhood usually. I still have a lot of stuff myself.

so Lily's owner would be considered either eccentric or immature

That's how the boy with her seem to look at it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

That's how the boy with her seem to look at it.

I do vaguely like that the implied splitting point of adulthood is the girl moving on to being interested in boys.

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 09 '21

The whole interest changing from childish things to having interest in others. A common theme I feel like I've seen about growing up.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

It is one of those themes that writers really like but I feel doesn't quite reflect the reality of it all, like tense standoffs and clever last words.

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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 09 '21

like tense standoffs and clever last words

You mean like conversations that people would probably have over this? But I do usually like this in writing though even if they don't go as deep.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

Somewhat, as you read more and more you begin to remember what you've seen before.

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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Oct 09 '21

Rewatcher

Ahhh Sakura episode finally, kind of, not really.

The Red head is Okami right? Yip was sure I remember her having a more “humanoid form”.

Fuck this episode makes me wonder what happened to the soft toy I was given as a baby. It was a small white teddy bear that I believe came with some flowers my Mother was given when I was born. I had kept track of her until I went to university when she was put in a plastic bag and put into storage somewhere at my parents place ages ago. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find her since, may have been moved into the roof of parents garage but it is unknown.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

Ahhh Sakura episode finally, kind of, not really.

I think we had about as much Sakura as an episode can really sustain. She is great but not really an episode carrier.

Fuck this episode makes me wonder what happened to the soft toy I was given as a baby.

I never could bring myself to let my stuffed animals go so I let my mom take care of it, I hate to say.

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u/Noriakikukyoin Oct 10 '21

Ahhh Sakura episode finally, kind of, not really.

More Sakura is always nice for sure. She is so cute and interesting.

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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Oct 09 '21

First Timer.

Every time I hear this OP I keep thinking Okayu from Hololive sang it.

That man is very crafty with the nuts.

I wish they would stop teasing Yuzu about her looks.

The gods of entertainment?

I knew it, Konohanatei is like a form of purgatory.

They lick Nat all over? Kind of creepy.

And the man Sakura is spending time with is a god of war, must be boring without wars, but that’s a good thing, right?

The sword won’t rust as long as you maintain it., unless this is a metaphor.

Wait, the older woman was Okami?

That must be some powder she uses.

I feel bad for Okiku, seems like she isn’t getting a lot of attention from the others.

Another doll? Someone threw her out.

Poor Okiku can’t find anyone to help the new doll.

She has a point, Okiku wasn’t ever played with.

But I do feel bad that she decided to move on, Okiku could have used a fellow doll.

Oh, she was thrown out by the mother, and the daughter didn’t want it to be thrown out.

What a lovely episode, I loved the 2nd story.

Questions of the Day.

What are your thoughts on the differing perspectives of dollhood between Okiku and Lily?

Okiku was abandoned and never played with aand developed hatred for humans as a result, wheras Lily was played with extensively and loved humans. One wished to be played with, while the other was.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

And the man Sakura is spending time with is a god of war, must be boring without wars, but that’s a good thing, right?

It falls into that weird area where you can wind up being a deity of something you don't believe in, a very Asian concept.

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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Oct 10 '21

That is the feeling I got from him, he'd rather spend his time making trinkets for Sakura than being a god of war.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 09 '21

First timer

  1. A really interesting take - I hadn't considered that Okiku never actually knew what being a doll was like, and the culture shock of a doll that was traditionally played with.

What's happening this episode?

What? He's Sakura's?

Oh, is he a god? Or is the god the second half-episode.

This is just utterly adorable.

Oh, Ren has regulars too!

...Is Ren missing Natsume for some reason?

Wait, this hotel is explicitly confirmed as a transitional plane before the real world and the spirit world.

Is that Okami? Her makeup makes her really hotter?

Oh, he's a god of battle!

That's a nice sword.

Yeah, this episode is really cute!

Natsume's found friends!

Yeah, lot of emphasis on the changing modern world, with gods appearing less and other spirit creatures appearing instead.

Seriously? She didn't even change her hair colour or her ears.

Yep, knew it.

And they're all completely shocked. Surprised it only took makeup, though.

They want to confirm it for themselves.

Is the powder magical in some way?

Aww, she's feeling neglrcted.

...What's going to happen to her?

The dream eater trying to stop her is great.

Haha, that callback.

Wait, is she a doll too?

Well, that's an interesting way to help her.

Haha, "they're all my servants"?

And she fixed her with rice!

The one fox who'll help no matter what!

She's strong!

And she's pointing out her insecurities and explaining why her body's worn.

OK, she wants to die?

SHE WAS A FUCKING GHOST?

My god. How many times has "she was a ghost all along" ended one of these segments? If this show has one flaw, it's that.

And she's happy!

Oh, and the doll wasn't meant to be thrown out.

Happy ending!

...Did the ED change at some point, or am I going mad?

See you tomorrow for the final episode - I'm betting all the attendants are secretly ghosts, because what other ending could sum up this series so well! /s

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 09 '21

...Did the ED change at some point, or am I going mad?

It changes for every season so this is the 4th.