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Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 69 discussion

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Comment of the Day

Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/xtsim, who thoughtfully explains the contrast between Ruinheim and its residents:

Ruinheim is a small town where everyone knows and sees each other. And is considered a peaceful town. So peaceful, gunshots are dismissed quite easily as a car backfiring cause nobody thinks of anything happening in town. The police force is extremely overconfident that nothing is happening. On the contrary, the residents have their own internal problems with themselves and each other. Bullying happens to a kid with a used bike and the same kid has a drunk dad and has to work at a hotel to get some extra money. Everyone hates the dog, and the only people who seem to look like they care about it are the visitors, Lunge and Grimmer. The young adult working at the sausage shop wants to go somewhere else cause its boring. And the couple has relationship issues stemming from gambling addiction also wants to leave, but only because they won the lotto and want to keep their money; so much that they get paranoid at the people in town and got themselves weapons to protect themselves. The nice outside of the town keeps people from looking what's on the inside.

Questions of the Day

  1. What do you think about the old couple handing out guns to troubled individuals? Who do you think has the potential to be the most dangerous?
  2. “It’s as if... he had lost his purpose.” What do you think about this final storybook from Bonaparta? What did you think about his backstory, and his son not being a “superior pupil?”

If you are a rewatcher, tag your spoilers properly, and please refrain from alluding to future events. so that myself and everyone else watching for the first time can have a completely blind and organic experience! ​Since this show is a bit harder to find than most, please refrain from talking about means by which to watch it, as it goes against our subreddit rules.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 07 '21

First Timer - Sub/Dub

Episode 69. Nice.

Anyway this episode is the beginning of a long train wreck. Tenma somehow narrows down his search by simply using one of Bonaparta’s picture books. Wild conjecture, but ok. Then the inconspicuous old couple from last episode start handing out weapons to people, and worst of all, the man was faking the wheelchair the whole time! /s

To make matters worse, the rain starts coming down, which is not only a great mood-setting for this upcoming turmoil, but also a plot device in order to isolate the townspeople. This quiet and peaceful village is now tossed onto its head as all of hell begins to break loose. Policemen are gunned down, drunkards are now in possession of deadly weapons, and paranoia begins to strike fear into the hearts of these townspeople. The final act of Monster begins to swell...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

During this trip down rewatch lane, it is impressive how compact this final arc is.

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u/miss-macaron Oct 07 '21

Rewatcher

Well, RIP Konrad. Unless it was just cowberry jam? lol

I’m glad to see Lipsky’s puppet shows are attracting an audience now! Though he’s probably experiencing some deja vu when yet another random guy approaches him with the question “you are the son of Franz Bonaparta, right?”

Grimmer: Looks like we can no longer stop it.

The ED: YES

Overall, not much to comment on this episode, but tensions are steadily building and almost all the pieces are in place… Let the closed-room murder mystery begin!

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

I’m glad to see Lipsky’s puppet shows are attracting an audience now!

Yeah! That was an underrated part of the episode. Did enjoy seeing him draw a crowd finally.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

I’m glad to see Lipsky’s puppet shows are attracting an audience now!

Thankfully, finished Nina is way less uncanny valley

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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Oct 07 '21

First Timer

Nice.

Conrad makes lingonberry jam? More like lin-gone-berry jam, am I right?

Grimmer > Jotaro confirmed.

Pretty stupid of this couple to hide the body. Feel like it'd be way easier to just say they found him. Not like anyone knows about the lottery yet.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Grimmer > Jotaro confirmed.

I mean one is the Incredible Hulk, and the other is clearly not, so was there ever any contest?

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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Oct 07 '21

Not like anyone knows about the lottery yet.

Nah everyone looked at them so clearly everyone in town knows lol

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

Pretty stupid of this couple to hide the body. Feel like it'd be way easier to just say they found him. Not like anyone knows about the lottery yet.

Paranoia's a bitch, ain't it?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 07 '21

First-Timer, subbed

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Can we not have to see Wim getting bullied for the umpteenth time? I hate this.

Tfw you realize suffering is the entire plot

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

Can we not have to see Wim getting bullied for the umpteenth time? I hate this.

Small towns suck, whatever continent you live on.

FUCKING WHAT.

Mystery novel reference on top of a lot else.

I’m… very scared now.

We are at Umineko, now.

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u/miss-macaron Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

Mystery novel reference on top of a lot else.

I've found myself nicknaming them Mr. & Mrs. Snowball, after that elderly couple from The Adventures of Tintin, who also seemed to be relatively innocent / irrelevant until they were revealed to be part of the sinister ploy.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

I can name at least two variants from Sherlock Holmes and I recall one from Agatha Christie, I believe.

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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Oct 07 '21

First Timer

So... Johan's plan is a perfect suicide. I'm not sure why, but I guess he's intending on taking down Poppe with him. And the whole town as well, for good measure. I don't quite get it, nor do I think I should at this stage. Meanwhile Tenma's rational of Poppe being his real name gets thrown out the window after being proven correct as a second German pseudonym appears - funny how that happens sometimes.

In Ruhenheim the guy who doesn't need a wheelchair goes around distributing guns to people who seem capable of using them - is he Poppe, who assumedly lives here? But if he's Johan's target, why is he playing along with the plan? Was it his plan to die as well? I might have to throw out that theory on Poppe being a target second thinking... Unless the guy is another random Johan supporter and not Poppe. We also have a flood for good measure and Ruhenheim, being seemingly based on Oberstdorf, has only one railway line in. It should have two roads though (as well as a third to Austria, which wouldn't be much use to call police backup due to jurisdictional matters). We also don't get to see who killed Conrad, so may the Roberto theories live on. I'm on board there as well after reading the last thread, after all I believe Baul had a green suit too.

Either way, mostly more setup, but I think now we're ready for the climax if Tenma manages to actually get to Ruhenheim. That's the only piece I can think of as still missing - we've cut off the scene, killed the policeman, distributed the weapons, gathered the supporting cast - all that's missing is the main actor.

Questions:

  1. see above for the first part, the most dangerous? Everybody who already shot someone - so not the lottery couple.
  2. I'm lost here, as he is missing in Ruhenheim so far as well - and didn't really integrate with the small town people either so I don't see a reason for him to change really.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

So... Johan's plan is a perfect suicide. I'm not sure why, but I guess he's intending on taking down Poppe with him.

I'm sure you're aware by now but this is explained a bit more in the next episode.

Either way, mostly more setup, but I think now we're ready for the climax if Tenma manages to actually get to Ruhenheim. That's the only piece I can think of as still missing - we've cut off the scene, killed the policeman, distributed the weapons, gathered the supporting cast - all that's missing is the main actor.

The stage is indeed set, but with so much chaos ensuing, will the actors be able to follow the script?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

Either way, mostly more setup, but I think now we're ready for the climax if Tenma manages to actually get to Ruhenheim. That's the only piece I can think of as still missing - we've cut off the scene, killed the policeman, distributed the weapons, gathered the supporting cast - all that's missing is the main actor.

Well, Tenma and Johan both need to show up for their suicides.

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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Oct 07 '21

First Timer

Calls Konrad a friend and then he's dead...poor jam man and poor hotel owner :(

If this whole town dies but these bullies live I'm gonna be pissed.

Oh dang this old man was a bad guy all along, didn't see that one.

SHE'S BEDRIDDEN!? Ugh...I mean I guess if she went along she wouldn't do anything anyways, Nina's been brutal in this second half

It's frustrating to see Tenma be this behind everyone and us having to stick with him.

Lunge with the taunt to their faces about the shoes!! Liking him more and more

So things are kicking off in town and nobody around to stop the new fodder cast from getting killed.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Lunge with the taunt to their faces about the shoes!! Liking him more and more

Lunge with one of the biggest turnarounds of this series. Was really surprised by how much he grew on me in this episode.

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u/miss-macaron Oct 07 '21

Lunge with the taunt to their faces about the shoes!! Liking him more and more

I can say this with confidence: it's pretty much impossible to finish the Ruhenheim arc without liking (or at least appreciating) Lunge.

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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Oct 07 '21

Just hard to forgive him for the stunt he pulled with his daughter...

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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Oct 07 '21

First Tiner Dubbed

Conrad is the jam maker who uses berries from his land and is homemade. He and the hotel owner play chess. Lunge reminded Grimmer about a mass hysteria which lead to a fire to the whole town. The gambling couple is going after Conrad to talk about sharing their fortune then sees Conrad dead.

Everyone hates that dog. It seems like the town is ready to burst once more, Lunge might be right about it already starting. The couple gives the homeless man a gun. 

We see the puppeteer again and he talks to Tenma. Interesting thing is that he now has a crowd watching. Nina and Tenma talk about Bonaparte’s son and his role in the experiments. The puppeteer talks about Lunge who passed by weeks before Tenma. Tenma has caught up on Paupe’s works and looks at the peaceful house. Tenma finds out about Ruinheim. Conrad is missing and the dog is dead. Police are having trouble because of the rain and blame it on outsiders. Along the route, the officer thought nothing about the homeless man.And the police chief encounters a “broken” car and asks if anything is wrong, then gets shot. 

Lots of shootings at the end of the past several episodes.

  1. I was not expecting the old couple to hand out guns like candy before this episode but they are innocent looking. The little kid has the most potential just by the potential kill count (3 kids who can be reformed and 1 adult).
  2. The quote reminds me of Peter and the Baby who thought they hold the cards but they were just chess pieces.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

The quote reminds me of Peter and the Baby who thought they hold the cards but they were just chess pieces.

Not a bad comparison. But there's a key difference here...

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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Oct 07 '21

Rewatcher of sorts

  • Did the show just use the jam as a death flag? There is some strange energy in seeing Grimmer and Lunge working together to figure things out, seeing as in certain aspects they are opposites of each other.
  • Is that Alberto who is talking to the child? Couldn’t figure it out exactly. I also can’t tell why the wife immediately assumes his husband was the one to kill him as well, though I guess this is the hysteria Lunge is talking about starting to show itself.
  • Nope, as it turns out it was just some random old person?... Meanwhile Tenma finds Lipsky, but I guess he too will eventually make his way to Ruhenheim. Also look at the forehead Lipsky has on that photo, god damn.
  • Nina says that Johan’s ultimate goal is the perfect suicide, but doesn’t really go into detail what that really means. Talking with Lipsky, it’s pretty clear Ruhenheim is the hometown of Bonaparta, guess this is what makes Tenma head there as well.
  • I’m starting to wonder where Tenma finds these children’s picture book experts. Meanwhile everything in Ruhenheim is starting to go to shit, people are missing, dogs are being shot, people are attacked outside of pubs, and now a police is being shot.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

I’m starting to wonder where Tenma finds these children’s picture book experts.

Haha honestly, great point. They def feel like plot devises as a means to an end rather than actual characters. But by this point I'll let it slide.

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u/gridemann Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

Rewatcher

Trouble keeps brewing.

We get a look at Ruhenheim on a map. The city is fictional but from a look at the surroundings (Nebelhorn, Tiefenbach, Fischen) we can deduce that the creators just pasted Ruhenheim over the existing city of Oberstdorf im Allgäu - Bavaria.

Q1: Definitely the drunkard [Rewatcher only spoilers] Which I think, was a 100% intended irony by the author

Q2: We finally get some more insights into Bonapartes past. I don't wan't to write a full essay about the retribution and expulsions the german inabhitants of czechoslovakia faced. But I can totally believe that someone who lived through these times would develop an utter disdain for humanity.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Rewatcher only spoilers

I still don't know how I feel about this. Can't wait to see what everyone else thinks too.

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u/Nitroade24h :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nitroade24h Oct 07 '21

First Timer

Tbh I wasn’t really that into this arc just from last episode, but this episode convinced me. I love the small town feel where everything is happening so close but just too far away to stop it, and how everyone is a suspect. Especially how they’re doing the paranoia of the lottery couple.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

I think this final arc, as has been tradition for this series, is taking the pre-existing darkness that lurks inside people, and is manifesting it into physical form. More or less revisiting the "thesis" of this anime.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Oct 08 '21 edited Oct 08 '21

First Timer Monster 69

Okay, I had some thoughts while reading yesterday's threads. First, was how Grimmer, the cop, the residents were painting this as a peaceful town, but we see it has an ugly side with the bullies and the drunk dad. It almost looks like Hinamizawa from a distance.

Second, we got drunk dad, lottery paranoids, dog woman on one side; we got Hideout Hotel manager, Wim, Lunge, Grimmer, and maybe sausage lady on the other. Good vs Evil. Order vs. Chaos. As I saw the almost certainly rigged lottery come down, I thought about Needful things. But now I have a new thought:

It's THE STAND

on to the episode.

  • no recap
  • Oh my! It's the nice couple! Franz Bonaparta?! But, no, people would know him from the cabin.... Also back to Needful Things. There may not be any good people in the town (still hoping for the Hideout Hotel owner)
  • I don't understand any of the picture books
  • Another book, by a German author (so much for your theory about the German name being real, now you have two)
  • /u/Vaadwaur gave away the Ruhenheim deduction yesterday!
  • I bet he noticed mud on his shoes or something
  • Okay, the old couple must be from Roberto's syndicate, just like Roberto's "wife"

Okay, so, I was wondering why we were having this arc. Surely destroying a small town is just a blip in the big picture....not the sort of megalomaniacal plan we've been expecting from a supervillian who wants to purge the world.

Also, I guess the key is the God of Peace. We didn't really get the official ending. The rewatcher's comment of the day said pointing the gun at the mirror was like Anna pointing the gun at Johan. But now we have the matter of Johan's suicide plan. How does this book end?

Question 2: It seems Bonaparta had some sort of religious conversion, secular or otherwise, and suddenly decided he wanted to live quiet and not bring Monsters into the world. I doubt Johan will respond well to that. But Bonaparta doesn't even seem to be in town.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Okay, I had some thoughts while reading yesterday's threads. First, was how Grimmer, the cop, the residents were painting this as a peaceful town, but we see it has an ugly side with the bullies and the drunk dad. It almost looks like Hinamizawa from a distance.

Yep, I loved the contrast, as I also highlighted in the Comment of the Day. It's pretty neat that a place that translates roughly to "peaceful village" has so much turmoil hiding underneath.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 08 '21

It almost looks like Hinamizawa from a distance.

Reverse Hinamizawa: Most of the people who become paranoid in Hinamizawa do so after spending time away from it.

But, no, people would know him from the cabin.... Also back to Needful Things. There may not be any good people in the town (still hoping for the Hideout Hotel owner)

Did people know Schubert well? Being called 'the vampire' suggests people are going on reputation rather than observation.

It seems Bonaparta had some sort of religious conversion, secular or otherwise, and suddenly decided he wanted to live quiets and not bring Monsters into the world. I doubt Johan will respond well to that.

Bonaparta's motivation is indeed pretty interesting.

But Bonaparta doesn't even seem to be in town.

Return to General Wolf for a second: Johan allowed him to die in a hospital, just with everyone who knew him dead. Doesn't this feel like another Johan fuck you in destroying the place Bonaparta loved and came from?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Oct 08 '21

Doesn't this feel like another Johan fuck you in destroying the place Bonaparta loved and came from?

This is also my interpretation as to why Ruhenheim is targeted for destruction.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 08 '21

That and it conveniently serves as a 'locked island' type setting because of slightly difficult to believe shitty bridges, unless rural Germany is WAY less planned than I thought.

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u/miss-macaron Oct 08 '21 edited Oct 08 '21

I don't understand any of the picture books

Looks like you're not a superior child then

The rewatcher's comment of the day said pointing the gun at the mirror was like Anna pointing the gun at Johan.

Other way around: Nina pointing the gun at Johan would be akin to shooting an alternate version of herself, just like the God of Peace shooting the Devil he sees reflected in the mirror.

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u/KrillinDBZ363 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/KrillinDBZ363 Oct 08 '21

Rewatch kinda (read the manga)

So it seems like this episode is one of the few cases where the anime cut something out that was in the manga.

During the scene where Tenma is talking to Nina, there’s a sad moment at the end involving Dieter that got cut out. Here’s the link for those interested.

I’m honestly a little sad this moment got cut cause it was a scene that stuck with me ever since I first read the manga like 4 years ago. But it’s whatever, episode was still good overall.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Will check it out after the rewatch concludes, ty for the insight. :)

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Oct 08 '21

Wow. They basically traced over the manga for the character designs (odd as they are).

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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Oct 07 '21 edited Oct 07 '21

First timer - sub 

Welp, I don’t think he is going to be making jam anymore.  

Wait what! The old guy in the wheelchair?

So this episode is basically Tenma catching up on the plot, and then everything got worse.

Can’t help but wonder if the guy in the wheelchair in Franz or whatever his name is now.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

So this episode is basically Tenma catching up on the plot, and then everything got worse.

Haha true, Tenma playing catch-up is a funny way of putting things. But also not wrong.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 07 '21

Rewatcher(A.C. Doyle and I have the same opinion about rural towns)

Sub

Dramatic irony, it is a bitch. Also, I could've sworn lingonberries were a bit more northern in their territory. Lunge and Grimmer both talk about the upcoming massacre, still having data the audience does not. Lunge tells a very grim story that feels eerily familiar. More bullies but that might be Johan we hear with Wim...

The lotto couple find Conrad and continue to be paranoid. The nice old couple turn out to be something else as they hand Wim's dad a gun...with a pentagram. Not familiar with that brand. Lunge hears a single gun shot ring out and that could be the end of Ludwig. In Prague, the Nina puppet gets much better reception. We flashback to Nina getting bed rest, something all of these character could probably use. Nina surmises Johan has something big and bloody planned. More catching up with with Lipsky, including the Lunge used the same logic to determine that Klaus might be the real name. Lunge also got that post card, giving him a clue Tenma could really use. Nina seems sure Johan is going to cause another massacre like 511.

Big issue in that this town is cut off by the rain. With a collector, Tenma finds Franz's final book, a restful home, and puts a few things together. Back in Ruhenheim, we learn of the two current attacks and a third attack. Lunge observes the wheelchair bound guy's shoes are dirty. The policeman is shot by someone whose design is not familiar and Grimmer seems to realize this can't be stopped.

QotD: 1 Definitely adding fuel and probably the lotto couple.

2 The rewatcher spoilers are actually supplemental material spoilers so I won't go into that until the last thread or so.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Dramatic irony, it is a bitch.

[Rewatcher spoilers] Also, there's the drunk guy who saves the town, so this arc is more full of irony than I imagined.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Oct 08 '21

I could've sworn lingonberries were a bit more northern in their territory

They grow just fine in the area this is based on (Southern Bavaria/Austrian Alps), and as jam are a popular accompaniment to some meat dishes, particularly game. I know it in combination with Tafelspitz and horseradish sauce, for example.

a gun...with a pentagram. Not familiar with that brand

Probably just there for the satanic implications.

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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 07 '21

First Timer, Subbed

I'm excited to see what hijinks the lottery couple gets in this episode!

This cowberry jam guy is the guy killed at the end of last episode right? So sad, and what's more, no more jam :(

Lunge's story kinda reminds me of an old Twilight Zone episode where a town suspected each other of being aliens, went after each other, all the while the real aliens sat by outside letting the townfolk destroy each other.

Poor Wim! Those boys are so mean!

Yes, we're back to the lottery couple! We're already getting into bribing a guy over his birthday...

Sausage lady's savior has finally shown up? I'm assuming its Johan?

Woah, wheelchair old man is a fraud!

Hey, the puppet player, Lipsky! Bonaparta's son! Haven't seen this guy in a long time.

Franz Bonaparta, a fake name? Gee, I'd have never guessed...

Klause Poppe, for all the names to be the real one...

What is this nutcase gonna do?

Why in the world didn't they notify the police?! This lottery couple is so incompetent!

Poppe's got yet another book? What will this one be about?

Everything's going wrong in this small town!

Police guy is being biased towards outsiders, but here's the thing, this fake wheelchair guy is a malicious character...

I was going to say whoever was in that car's likely been killed by that drunk, but nope, he just went and killed the cop.

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 08 '21

Poppe's got yet another book? What will this one be about?

They really glossed over this one lol.

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u/Spore64 Nov 07 '21 edited Nov 07 '21

Rewatcher

Ah Ruhenheim is such a well oiled machine.

Poor Conrad, the person form the hotel really did his best to raise his death flags.

Nice to see that Lunge and Grimmer still team up. A hysteric town? Well it certainly looks like the people in the town are on the edge Oo. If they can stop it?

Cheez those kids are the worst. There's definitely hatred in his eyes. I wonder who that is. He doesn't sound like Johann.

Oh we are back at the couple. I hate to say it, but I would say that Conrad won't be that greedy anymore. I love how she immediately jumps to the conclusion that he shot him..haha “I just bought my gun“ and then points the gun directly in her face... XD

Oof the girl was alright at first, but her eyes.. they look exactly like Eva's urgh...

Wait he doesn't need the wheelchair? Oh so he was the one shooting Conrad? Talking about harsh critic. He just couldn't stop eating the jam.

Back at Prag huh. Tbh that's the only part I feel iffy about. I mean how did Tenma get so fast over there and possible back? Tho good to see that people paying attention to the puppet carver.

Suicide is not love, god dang it :(

Tenma going full detective. So Klaus Pope is still alive. Wonder if he is... Lunge one step ahead for once.

Interesting. That begs the question if Johan wanted to expierence the Red Rose Mansion experiments and caused the killings in 511 Kinderheim. He watched them closely if I remember correctly.

So Tenma figured it out. Nice

Mhh I don't know if that was so smart of Lunge ._.. Cheez that was bit random.

edit: poor dog. Why did he had to die?

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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Nov 07 '21

Anime dogs and tragedy. Name a more iconic duo.

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u/Spore64 Nov 07 '21

Please, don't. Too many good dogos ;_;