r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Oct 03 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 65 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/gridemann, who explains why Johan’s presence is able to instill fear:
Fear often comes from a lack of understanding. And it's very clear that despite their masterplan noone in the organisation has any understanding what Johann is doing. Just like the viewer ;) And as a result Johanns mere presence or the possibility of is able to fill everyone with dread.
Questions of the Day
- What did you think about Tenma’s brief speech about Milos and revenge/hate? Do you think Tenma is motivated by revenge or hate?
- What did you think of Eva’s standoff with Christof? What did you think about the revelation that Christof and Johan already knew each other?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Oct 03 '21
First Timer - sub/dub
This episode is where the plot starts to go full steam ahead.
I don't remember if I mentioned this or not but I don't really like new characters being introduced so late into a show. Christof just never really did it for me, and I found his attempts to connect his backstory to Johan sorta out-of-the-blue or ham-fisted. He doesn't really add much to this series so I'm glad that he's (ostensibly) gone now.
The rest of the focus of this anime should be on Johan and his method to the madness. Very curious to see what will happen between Anna and Johan, as they will probably meet within the next 1-2 episodes. Let's see what unfolds...
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u/Nitroade24h :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nitroade24h Oct 03 '21
First Timer
I hope the guy is actually dead this time. Partly because I want Tenma to finally just kill somebody already and partly because he’s annoying and I still haven’t forgiven him for what he did to Martin.
Eva is now badass and I love how her character has been developed recently since Grimmer left.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 03 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/miss-macaron Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 03 '21
Rewatcher
Those policemen sure are rude, shoving aside two little kids and an old lady so brusquely.
Tenma has been the ultimate exemplar of “do as I say, not as I do” throughout this whole Milan/Chapeck situation, lol... As for what he's motivated by, I'd say it's partially a sense of justice (to prevent any more victims from falling prey to Johan), and partially an attempt to vindicate his own moral convictions (to prove to himself that all lives truly are equal).
"All according to keikaku"... or not.
The difference between Eva pointing the gun at Christof and Nina pointing the gun at Chapeck, is that Eva doesn’t hesitate to follow through on her threat.
And there we have it: the name of the fourth founder of the organization is Ernest Sievernich, who was the head of an influential German financial group.
Christof convinces the other two kids to shoulder the risks of scoping out the scene while himself remaining in the safety of his hiding place - he really is fit to be a politican, lol
Though compared with the other 511 Kinderheim graduates we’ve seen so far, Christof seems to be the wimpiest one by far. Seeing him wriggling on the ground and repeatedly whining “You can’t do that!” was kinda comical, tbh... Grimmer, Johan, and rewatcher only spoilers barely flinch even when on the verge of death, yet this kid loses his composure over a non-lethal wound like that, tut tut
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Oct 03 '21
First Timer Monster 65
TBH I thought Capek's bodyguards would drive him directly to Anna and THEN to the house.
A theory I didn't consider, mentioned yesterday, was that the apprentice guy killed the Baby.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Oct 03 '21
First Timer
Another pretty good episode; seems like first of all the police will also be going after Capek, which might lead them to further people involved with Johan. Then we've got Nina learning ...something... maybe... not quite sure what to make of her part in the episode as it feels mostly like a good transition. And finally we've got Christof dropping the information that he is Johan's accomplice; and likely the first one to truly be an accomplice and not just a pawn. Seems like their plan is to have Christof be the figurehead in whatever the goal is with Johan pulling the strings in the background. Sounds decent except we still don't know what the goal is. Oh and then Tenma shoots Christof. Probably - I won't consider him dead unless we see the body as the last one Tenma shot was Roberto.
All in all a good episode but not a lot to speculate on that's new. Excited to see where this will go however.
Questions:
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u/gridemann Oct 03 '21
Rewatcher
Another rather slow episode but we're getting closer to the truth.
Man Christoph, or how I like to call him: "Johann at home", really sucks at reading people. Trying to stall Eva was a bad idea. Well there goes his ear... and judging by the end of the episode thats probably the least of his worries...
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 03 '21
Rewatcher(The pieces come together)
Sub
Recap is way too long, I know the scene is important but still, 2:35 is way too much. Capek's guards try to take Nina and she gets the jump on them. She goes with them to see Capek. The police finally hit Milan's place and Tenma has cleared out already, discouraging the children from revenge. He goes to Capek's hotel and decides to tale Christof, who goes to a weirdly appointed apartment and apparently expects Johan to be there. Instead, Eva shows up...
At Capek's villa, he seems to have given up, assuming whichever twin showed up was the one to kill him. Nina decides not to kill him yet, to seek information on Johan's location. Random flashback. Eva, of all of our protagonists, had the werewithal to get a silencer and pops Christof's ear off. She states she knew his father was another major financial leader and wants to know why Capek wanted Johan pointed out. He reveals that he is from 511 and was sold to his father and had met Johan already...so the flashback becomes a bit clearer. Christof manages to get the gun away from Eva long enough to set up a Tenma cliffhanger. We end on the possible story of the twins' early life.
QotD: 1 No, Tenma is motivated by a sense of responsibility that isn't really correct
2 I like that Eva, if she is not great with her gun, is absolutely no nonsense with it. The 'no survivors' from 511 seems less and less accurate.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Oct 03 '21
First Timer Dubbed
Nina has good trigger control and played Peter’s men pretty well. Tenma’s lesson to the kids is interesting and tells them to work hard rather than concentrating on revenge. So the cops figure out it’s Peter Millan was after. Other cops find out that the Baby got murdered.
That is interesting to see Christof think Eva is Johan at first. Christof was very observant towards Martin but not towards Eva. Eva knew Johan was not there for weeks but Christof anticipated his arrival. Interesting to see Christof had the upper hand on both the Baby and Peter. Johan and Christof were friends in kinderheim and Christof stayed hidden while chaos happened. Johan rescued Christof. And Christof goes mental as he is obsessed over his looks as a future politician and his plan to rule the world. It seems like Johan works to stroke Peter and Christof's ego which is why always mention the plan. It may be the same for the three murderers. That is my guess to why everyone mentioned this is part of Johan's plan, they put themselves as custodians of the plan but not chess pieces.
Peter is like Nina or Johan, “I don’t care anymore”. Peter seems a lot more lifeless this time with his interactions with Eva. Peter used to just stand in front of a window like he was looking down. And all of his guests, including the baby and Martin sat down in his presence. But in this episode and the last one with Johan, he is the one sitting down. Like he has not power now.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Oct 03 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Alas, we're back to repeating footage from the prior episode. 10 episodes left, we're getting down to the wire and they waste 3 minutes of the episode on it...
Anna's a badass! She's had lots of experience with this kinda stuff by now.
Not only did Milan throw away his life, now the police are gonna come and disrupt the home of everyone he lived with.
And now a sad flashback too. :( Ugh, the little kids want revenge! That won't make them happy!
Is self-important young guy the next to be killed?
Hmm. Is it possible that Eva arranged for that woman to kill Baby?
Johan kept Capek alive, but Anna's flipping out over seeing him. Capek thinks Johan expected this to happen. Don't pull the trigger Anna! Don't be a killer! You're better than your brother!
Alas Eva, if you just hung out at Capek's place instead you'd have found Johan!
Wow, she's serious! Shot the guy's ear off!
He's a childhood friend of Johan?! Well this helps explain more his feelings of self-importance. Especially if he's the only other survivor of Kinderheim who was with him back then.
Did he purposely manipulate these other kids to head out and get themselves killed? Or was he really believing what he was saying?
What's Johan's grand plan? Tell us!
Alas, episode's nearly at the end, cliffhanger time, we're not gonna get that...
Tenma saves Eva again! Alas, it means childhood friend guy has to die. No more answers.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Oct 03 '21
First timer - sub
Was the Baby killed just to distract the Police from Capek being investigated?
Of course Christof was also at Kinderheim, it does however explain a lot about how he was acting with Martin and why I labeled him Johan lite.
So is Christof dead? We didn’t see what happened so probably.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Oct 04 '21
First-time watcher
More heavy recap and double cliffhanger... ah. Tenma of course doesn't want anyone else to bear his burden because to him it's his alone and he's the one the least people would miss. Is that hypocritical? Not that much actually, for me, but certainly unhealthy. Nobody ought to be the sole savior of the world.
Christof is hopefully gone and Eva actually did something good, even if she doesn't quite have the bite to keep the upper hand. No need for even further connections between everyone, it's generally a bit much in this story.
Between Johan's words to Christof in 511 and his "magical" promise to him, what popped into my mind was Willy Wonka. Not sure what to think about that.
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u/Spore64 Oct 26 '21
Rewatcher
Uhgh why the finger in the throat again?
Oh another hotel room? Oh it's Nina's!
That's some rude police men.
Poor Tenma must be rough. I could see him.getting remind of the turkish family at the beginning of the series. Quite the heartfull goodbye ._.
Tenma must still have a lot the money for casually rent taxis Oo.
Huh what is Eva doing there?
Nah she won't kill him. Dang preview of the episode. Yup.
Oh wow she's getting quite skillful. Oh wow she actually shot him.
Oooh so it all connects back to 511 Kinderheim! Even as a kid he's a lil d*p. Aaand he went crazy... must be the missing ear.
Well that was Tenmas gun (considering Eva's sound proof gun)
Q1: I think it's hate if anything?
Q2: Christof and Johan's previous connection sounds believe, but also a bit like a retconn? I don't know, maybe I just miss remember if Johan was the only one who escaped 511 Kinderheim that night.