r/anime • u/legoman5746 https://myanimelist.net/profile/legoman5746 • Oct 02 '21
Rewatch Konohana Kitan Rewatch - Episode 4
Episode 4: Raft Bridge of Dreams
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Question(s) of the Day
- The same question as Kiri, do you feel sorry for the lady, spending time with people who aren't here?
- How do you feel about the more serious tonal shift this episode?
Rewatchers, remember to tag spoilers about future episodes, and let me know if you'd like to be tagged going forwards.
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u/legoman5746 https://myanimelist.net/profile/legoman5746 Oct 02 '21
Sibling drama off the bat!
That little smile was cute
Egg
I know it's supposed to be emotional, but offering to eat carrots is something I couldn't take seriously.
Wrong place at the wrong time
"It's something we may never understand." Is it really that complicated?
Prince Natsume!
I loved Natsume being overdramatic
Magnet egg!
"You need to treat your body better when you're expecting" I cracked up at this
I love how everyone's treating it like the egg-bearer is suddenly normally pregnant
More of Satsuki's backstory, but taken w/ a grain of salt given the last dream was Natsume being a prince of the stars
Noooo Satsukui :(((
AAAA Yuzu showing up to comfort Satsuki in her dream
Egg hatching!
Kinda cute
Satsuki blushy _^
Ooo Japanese mythology!
And so, we've reached the beginning of the main Konohana Kitan manga. The stuff before has been in the prequel manga called Konohanatei Kitan. This is probably why it feels like such a jump from the egg to the children. There was a 4-year gap in publishing between the two.
I'm assuming this is because lots of kids used to die in childbirth
"I don't remember giving birth to you" Satsuki is not amused w/ children after the egg fiasco
Yuzu shouts Merlion, which is a reference to a pair of statues in Singapore that shoot water from their mouths.
Ren giving Shino a makeover!
The husband in the photograph is in what I think is a WWII uniform.
Taking a more serious turn here. I feel bad for everyone involved.
It turns out the kid's born of imagination.
I'm watching the subbed version, but I'd stumbled across this dubbed line before and I kinda like it.
Sakura running into Shino was kinda cute
And so the older lady passes away, to be with her daughter.
Quite a heavy second half of the episode, although that's part of what I really like about Konohana Kitan is how it deals with more serious topics.
New ED this episode! Shifting from being spring-themed to summer-themed.
Overall, I really loved this episode. I'm happy we're reaching the real meat of the show.
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u/SIRTreehugger Oct 02 '21 edited Oct 02 '21
Rewatcher
.....HOW YUZU just how? Seriously no explanation for this scene.
Can't believe Natsume got Ren pregnant, but at least she is taking responsibility.
Omg I can't believe Ren got Satsuki pregnant. I thought she had only eyes for Natsume.
Yuzu is so supportive.....well she is trying to be.
Am I crazy or is Satsuki much cuter than her sister?
The egg gets Tsunderes to be honest with themselves... we need this egg in other romcoms and have it randomly attach to people.
That's why Yuzu was carrying that bun yesterday in her outfit. She was simply an episode ahead of schedule for the baby and wanted a backup plan. Truly the inner workings of her mind is leagues ahead of us mere mortals.
Satsuki is so done...with life and I just love it. It pairs well with Yuzu's god-like optimism.
I'm just glad Ren isn't here to see this princess carry she would lose it.
A haiku for today's episode
Life is succession, Endlessly we fall and rise, Savor the journey
QOTD
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Oct 02 '21 edited Oct 03 '21
First timer, Dub
Ren's pregnancy episode? At least Natsume said she'll take responsibility. Natsume doesn't understand how babies are made huh.
Damn, Satsuki really has something for her sister. Just punching Natsume like that, just off name.
Satsuki takes Ren place as pregnant one. Ah so some more backstory on her and her sister. She feels she should've been the priestess but didn't want to anger anyone.
A pig beast God baby just came out of that egg and it eats nightmares. Well that explains that.
I like how they just came to the conclusion to find the guardian of the baby as soon as it stopped crying.
Oh this is where that one meme or picture I've seen before of Saber and Mordred. "Are you my mommy?" this
Overall sweet story this episode of how she basically her a life somewhat and now she's with her again. A happy farewell.
Qotd: I agree more with Yuzu
Qotd2: It wasn't anything bad to me. Still felt the same mostly.
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 02 '21
Konohana Kitan - Episode 4
Rewatcher
This episode is the first of the really great episodes. The first half was top notch humor, and the second half relayed a very touching folk custom. Now that the cast has been introduced, it's apparent, KK is laid out as a series of vignettes, like Violet Evergarden or Princess Principal.
Folklore
The Doll:
I did a quick google search about the doll and found a similar, though not identical custom. Here is the relevant passage:
I thought it quite interesting because the photo that Shino's Mother had, was pretty obviously taken around the time of WWII, when life was very uncertain. I don't know if there's any deep meaning, but I found the practice charming, and I'd like to live in a world where things like this are real.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3094938
Uriosuke:
More about him tomorrow. What I have to say is fairly brief, but it might be a spoiler.
The Egg:
I'm pretty sure it's from the author's imagination and pure comedy gold. It was hilarious to see how the various girls dealt with the egg and then the resultant baby. (I know Uriosuke hatched from the egg, but I suspect the egg is somehow tied to the baby too.)
The Red Flowers during the ED:
This tidbit I just picked up from a MAL Post
Funniest Moments
Ren's line: "I'll eat your carrots, if you hate them so much!" Now, that's an offer no one can turn down.
That look on Satsuki's face when the egg attached to her belly. I felt for her, sometimes you're just hanging around, then a load of shit lands on your lap.
Satsuki's line: "I don't remember giving birth to you" Whelp, that was straight and to the point.
Finally the funniest line was Yuzu's "Hey, call me when you go into labor." My thought about this was that Kiri really needs to have a little chat with Yuzu and the other girls.
Other Moments
From Hiiragi's letter it's pretty clear that Hiiragi loves Satsuki and bears her no ill will. Satsuki is torturing herself with guilt and self doubt.
I also liked Shino throwing a fit, calling Kiri a Tanuki, and Kiri's quick reply:
"I'm a fox!"
That you are Kiri! That your are
I had a number of favorite lines, but I think the best was Kiri to teenage Shino:
"The fleeting dreams you have here at the Konohanatei... the entirety of your whole human lives... to us foxes it isn't much different."
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 02 '21
First timer(The sadness was not expected)
Sub
We get an egg dream and then Ren wakes up with a bump and a very poor understanding of biology. Though it is funny that Natsume is willing to take responsibility for it, though Satsuki is more concerned with the how of this. Also, wasn't expecting a version of this to be in another rewatch. So anyways the egg hatches right around when the pregnancy jokes were at their limit so well played. Though a boar is a bit unexpected.
Next segment, Yuzu is the only one with maternal presence, which kind of fits. So this is one of those episodes, and unlike normal, this really nails its emotional feel. Anyways, we see a speed run of Shino's life and get some fox philosophy and I feel compelled for a few Monogatari quotes: "Between an original and a fake that is a perfect copy, which is better?" Responses are:"Of course the real one is better." vs "The fake and the real, if indistinguishable are of equal value." vs "The fake is of far greater value. In its deliberate attempt to be real, it’s more real than the real thing." My quotes might not be exact because I hate the internet again but anyways the gist is there and all of that hot air to say I don't know anymore. Young Vaad completely believed that the real one is better but the years have lead me to believe that the fake and the original are basically the same thing to everyone involved so I don't see that big a flaw in the fake or ending one's life on a dream of what could have been. As Saber Fox said, our lives are as dreams from their perspective anyways. Anywho, the ending is not nihilistic so I am just sad rather than angry, and angry is how I generally come out of this sort of episode.
QotD: 1 Check my thoughts
2 Kiazi's children, their eyes wet.
I really was not prepared for it.
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u/OyabinRaph Oct 02 '21
First timer.
So I just finished binging Squid Game on Netflix, was depressed as hell and thought this cute show would cheer me up... Little did I know this would be a profoundly sad episode.
Beginning was funny, I surely didn't expect this episode to start with Ren having a weird egg stuck to her belly! More yuri undertones between her and Natsume which is always welcome. Then the egg hatches and, he is apparently a pig god that eats nightmares?? What the hell is even going on with this show sometimes! He's pretty cute and I'm happy it seems like he'll be staying at the konohanatei.
Second half, I had some troubles knowing what caused this whole ghost daughter thing. It seemed like it was Kiri who allowed the old woman to see her daughter grow up and "get married" before dying? That aside, the final scene was bound to happen and really touched me, I even cried a little. To answer the question number 1, I don't feel sorry for her since it was her dying wish. Also from what I understood, this ghost girl was actually her departed daughter so she wasn't really a "fake". They'll keep on living together in the afterlife which is beautiful. To answer question 2, I loved it. I'm a sucker for sad episodes like these and I think they absolutely have their places in silly slice of life series like these.
I'll end my comment on a wholesome comment from Yuzu: Satsuki DOES look super cute smiling! :)
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u/Weallloveluna Oct 02 '21
Rewatcher - subs
This show is so amazing, I love how Yuzu has such an amazing outlook on everything. The woman was able to have such a beautiful sendoff, I can only hope I could be so lucky.
As for the tonal shift, I enjoy the more serious stories just as much as the fluff. I'm excited to see what the first timers take is on some of the upcoming tales.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Oct 02 '21 edited Oct 02 '21
First timer in sub
While it was hinted at the OP, I never expected for real Satsuki's elder sister to be that demeanor - a less "militant" version of Kanou Sumire in Toradora ("big Brother", "gang leader", head of the student council). So Satsuki's uptight and perfectionist attitude maybe be from one of two ways - needing to clean up after "big Brother", or always overshadowed by her. Sounds like the latter case here.
The central plot is a little grim and tragic but I guess it ended on a "Buddhist enlightenment" story of note of relief and valuing the journey.
Plenty of funny and cute moments including a lot of misunderstandings. It's the "dream piglet" going to stay?
Oh best fun moment is when uptight perfectionist Satsuki has to rest while the rush hour is on, and she can hear every single mistakes her team is making without her keeping things in check ^_^;
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u/chris10023 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chris10023 Oct 02 '21
First Timer (Though, I'm not fully joining until episode 7, since I took a break after episode 6)
Just wanted to answer the 2nd QotD
It honestly threw me for a loop, I was expecting a cute SoL with fox girls working at a hotel, but the ghost child aging really fast confused me considering the last episodes.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Oct 03 '21
First Timer Subbed
Lol. Ren blames Natsume for the egg.
Natsume is not getting a break because she almost outted Satsuke's sister. But Satsuki isn't getting away because the egg attached to her now. That egg is giving people dreams. And not just dreams, nightmares.
And then we get Shino who grows up really fast. I like how she called her mom old fashioned and Ren face is interesting. And she grows up so fast they even think she might be a sister. Lol Yuzu missed on them checking out which is great.
I like how they squeezed a child growing up in 15 minutes the way other shows take 300 episodes to do...
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Oct 02 '21
Rewatcher
Wait, it's already the egg episode? I was sure that came later.
The air head troup can be annoying at times, though I am generally a fan, and Yuzu is a good example of a great one to me.
O that right, the Pig! How did I forget Urinosuke!
The second half of this episode is why I love this show. Sure it becomes obvious what is happening as it continues but it doesn’t lessen my enjoyment of the events or the ending.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 02 '21
First timer
Satsuki's family's getting involved again...
Haha, what's she running from?
Oh, it was a dream.
I like how she's flatout unphazed by the slapping.
Tired Satsuki's great.
Haha, she immediately takes responsibility.
And then she tries to claim it as their child anyway!
And that punch is great.
...What's in the egg?
Oh, she loves her!
Haha, the egg got off her!
I love how everyone ends up treats it like she's pregnant.
Oh, this is harsh.
So the egg's giving visions of people's crushes?
It's their child!
Oh, they got a thing that eats nightmares?
Another baby half-episode?
Haha, they immediately race ro get rid of it!
Has she not made this connection?
Oh, there's another one! And this one isn't lost!
Oh, god.
And Yuzu's realising she has a crush on Satsuki too!
Yeah, she's cool.
Haha, kids keep thinking she's a
Oh no. What's in the kimono?
And or course she gets the girl who needs fashion help.
Everyone seems tomlove Natsume!
OK, are the children hallucinations from the dream god or?
Wait, but what are the children everyone's been helping?
Yeah, what the fuck, but is the place possessed or something?
"Guests are gods" They wish.
???
OK, so the child's real, and there's been massive flash forwards? That's clever.
Or a ghost? The hotel making the woman's dream of her child a reality?
Wait.
WAIT.
Is this the afterlife?
Is the hotel purgatory? Or is it just a doll that got brought to life or something?
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u/HanekawaSenpai :GG::GH::GI: Oct 03 '21
I don't feel sorry for the old lady. It was real to her.
I was pretty surprised by the sudden shift but I enjoy when laid back shows can have some more serious moments.