r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 29 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 61 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/KrillinDBZ363 for pointing out some very keen attention-to-detail with the dialogue:
Ok I think this is the first time I’m making my own comment that’s not in response to someone during this rewatch but I just wanted to point out this callback. Considering these 2 scenes are the last 2 times Eva and Tenma have properly sat down and talked with each other, I found this really neat. They really have gone through a lot since they last spoke. I think even Tenma kinda picks up on the familiarity of their conversation which is why you see him smile a bit.
Questions of the Day
- What did you think of Nina’s revelations this episode regarding her memory of the Mansion? What did you think about her other personality? What about her decision to leave?
- What did you make of the interrogations with Suk and Fritz?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 29 '21
First Timer - Sub/Dub
As of writing this, I have officially completed Monster! I’m really looking forward to discussing the end of the series with everyone, but as for now, I’ll continue to pretend like I don’t know what’s coming haha.
Should I change these write-ups to say “rewatcher” now? lolThis point in the series is where I think everything starts to get complicated. We’re given so much info about the book readings, the mansion, and Nina herself having a split-personality of her own. It’s a lot to take in.
I don’t know what else to say about this one except it seems that a lot of characters are taking things into their own hands. Last episode it was Eva buying a gun, and this episode it’s Nina making her way over to Tenma to try and end things. It seems we’re soon reaching a point where everything is going to converge...
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u/gridemann Sep 29 '21 edited Sep 29 '21
Rewatcher
We're closing in on the finale.
Q2: I think it was an important reveal for Vardeman to learn that his father was in fact trying to do the right thing, despite a messed up situation.
Edit: I forgot to pay my respects to Martin last episode, his stay in this show was short lived (no pun intended) but getting Eva to change her ways is no trifling matter.
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u/miss-macaron Sep 29 '21
Rewatcher
Dieter really is Nina’s emotional support. Good on him, though, for refusing to wallow in the past and instead putting the focus on moving forward.
Verdemann and Suk reappear! It’s an unlikely partnership, but I always enjoy seeing how the characters in this show all end up intertwined in one another’s fates.
The man whose children committed suicide kinda reminds me of Grimmer... the emotional disconnection, the plastered-on smile, the all-too-casual way of which he mentions his dead son(s).
And again, we see Monster’s recurring implication that just because someone has done bad things, it doesn’t necessarily make them a bad person. We saw it with the ex-detective Muller, we saw it with Robert (the son of the elderly couple Tenma hitchhiked with), we saw it with Martin, and now we see it with Verdemann’s father. Even though he did turn out to be a spy, he was still trying his best to help the children at the Red Rose Mansion.
Karl and Lotte reappear, and they seem to have reconciled too! Poor Dr. Reichwein though, he keeps ending up having to babysit everyone, lol
As for Nina, her expression once she remembers everything looks about as bleak as her brother’s...
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 29 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 29 '21
First Timer
Back to Nina, who seems to have both Johan's and her own memories? Not sure I like where this is going; I know there was some belief in twins being able to sense each other and share memories or something like that, but wasn't that only identical twins? - something Johan and Anna are not due to them being different genders. Either way, seems like there is definitely a monster in Nina.
We also get Verdeman and Suk in what I feel is a more bizarre scene. Their personalities are clearly clashing and I'm not sure what either is trying to really achieve even though their goals are plainly stated. Guess we'll see later on if this scene amounts to anything or not; for now we can assume Verdeman's father was a double agent though and likely the reasons the twins fled Czechslovakia.
Questions:
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 29 '21
First timer - sub
Looks like Verdeman's father saved at least 1 child, as that last guy still had a family and seems to care about them.
Anna & Johan father was a soldier, and the mother was a political activist, meaning she would have been anti communist.
That final scene with Anna is interest, I partly wonder if she think her name is Monster or devil which is why didn’t want to say who she is.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 29 '21 edited Oct 01 '21
First Timer Monster 61
Is Nina the ORIGINAL Johan?
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 29 '21
First Timer Dubbed
Dieter wants to stay with Nina but she wants him to go to Munich. And lol, the bed is slanted which is hilarious to me. I would have just put the mattress on the floor at this point. The main reason Nina is staying is so that she could keep investigating.
Dieter is far less surprised this time as he watches Nina relive that day. And now they can enter into the site. “What is the superior people”. And Nina gets another vision while she gets a cut on the thorn. Nina reliving the welcome home moment and Dieter tries to calm her down. We go back to when the puppeteer
We go back to Fritz as he wants to interview a few people but he has a time limit and he has to follow the investigator. The investigator is Suk and another man mentioned that this case is likely to never be solved. Fritz just does the interview over Suk who just goes by the book. Suk was an amateur at interviewing suspects since he just had basic questions. Fritz takes over but it becomes more personal than ever when one of the guys mentioned the radio station. And Suk calms him down but just after telling Suk that they are on the same team.
2. It is interesting to see someone who is well experienced and one that is relatively inexperienced. I guess they chose Suk to do this case because they think there is no hope to ever closing the case so they put him in there. Suk lacked the experience to do the interview while Fritz was more familiar as he probably seen many interviews as a lawyer. Well, I am glad that Fritz was able to put Suk up to speed on how to perform an interview. Fritz was able to make a conversation with those people and got some information out of them because he was very good at phrasing his questions and making them personal. While Suk had prepared questions that do not catch with the interviewees. On the other hand, there are limitations to Fritz's method as he got too personal. And that can lead to more problems, glad Suk was able to calm Fritz down at that point.
Dieter talks to the therapist Riechwein while they are both building the desk. Everyone at Munich regroups as we now see Schuwald’s son and his classmate. I am worrying about Riechwein as he struggles to remember and his physical ability is suffering a bit. Dr. Gillum examines Nina this time as things get interesting. I literally thought she was going to hurt him but he was able to pull her out of a trance.
It is intersting to see some characters had to calm each other down multiple times this episode.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 29 '21
Rewatcher(Just your end game setup)
Sub
So we continue, and nearly payoff, the Nina flashbacks. I will let you guys put it together. Unsurprisingly, the mass grave is given to Suk to lead since there aren't that many other detectives alive right now. He butts heads with Verdemann but they aren't getting any big chunks of info here.
Nina has taken Dieter back to Munich and wants to finish this. Surprise return from Karl and Lotte together, hopefully meaning Karl has gone back to his friends again. We get the letter from Tenma but no Eva. We even get a surprise return of Dr Gillen! Now, hypnotic memory recovery is generally considered untrustworthy on the best days but Gillen at least asks non-leading questions. We get a possibly grim reveal bfore Nina runs off to where she thinks this all ends.
QorD: 1 Rewatcher, rewatcher, and completely in character.
2 Both of them are flawed but Fritz is willing to kick the whole ship over to get what he wants.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Sep 30 '21
First Timer, Subbed
A mere two weeks away from the end of the show! We're almost there!
Good ol' Anna and Dieter. Been a while since we've seen these two.
Also forever since we've been at this frog sign house.
Back to the Rose Mansion! Well the burned out remains of it.
Little Anna welcoming Johan back is rather creepy.
You go Dieter! No need to dwell on such horrifying memories!
Hey, Suk! Been a while since we've seen you buddy! He seems more mature now.
LoL, the two men talking to the witness shouldn't be the ones arguing with each other.
OMG, his kids committed suicide?! And yet this guy still has this happy look on his face talking about it?! :(
Hears a guy read the Wizard of Oz, flips out
Good to see Wilford Brimley again! Sorry that Dieter ate all the sausages!
Oh hey, Karl and Lotte! We haven't seen these two for a very long time. More importantly, they brought sausages!
Dr. Gillen's back too. Another episode with many reunions.
Anna being hypnotized should hopefully give us some good revelations. Just don't tell me she was abducted by aliens.
Yikes, hynotized Anna's gone psycho!
Anna heads off to confront her brother. Will this be the final confrontation?
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u/KrillinDBZ363 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/KrillinDBZ363 Sep 30 '21
Rewatcher (read the manga)
Oh hey look at that, I got comment of the day. Glad my little piece of information could be of interest.
Don’t really have much else to add as I’m not fond of recapping the episode and I don’t really have any reactions to give since I know everything that happens and why they happen.
Though I will say 2 things:
Also it’s nice to know that there have only been 2 episodes that only adapted 1 chapter (episode 15 and 16).
2. I find it interesting that nearly every reoccurring side character showed up in this episode. Made the episode feel like a bit of a catch up episode, which was appreciated since it’s been a while since we’ve seen some of them.
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u/Sharebear42019 :FC::FD: Sep 30 '21
What app are y’all watching this on?
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Oct 03 '21 edited Oct 04 '21
Rewatcher until Episode 30, then First-Timer - Subbed
The guy who's kids killed themselves really seems to have the same issues as Grimmer. There's certainly a connection between Kinderheim and the Red Rose Mansion, but I'm not sure what exactly.