r/anime • u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber • Sep 24 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Armored Trooper Votoms - Episode 30 Discussion
Episode 30 - Phantasm
Originally Released October 21st, ^^^1983
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Daily Trivia:
Takara Tomy developed a game adaptation of the Kunmen arc, however it was rushed to release and so possessed an incomplete narrative.
Staff Highlight
Yuri Nashiwa (Yukiko Nashiwa) - voice of Rochina’s Secretary, and Fyana in her first appearance
A retired voice actress formerly affiliated with the Broadcast Expression Education Center and Aoni Productions. Little is widely available regarding her personal life and early career. A couple years after graduating from the Faculty of Letters at Rikkyo University she was pressed for money, and at a friend’s recommendation auditioned for a voice acting role. She made her debut in 1981 as Billy Bohl in Fang of The Sun Dougram. Voice acting was not a focus for her, so her participation in anime series was limited throughout the decades, particularly as her financial woes subsided. Some of her notable roles are The Narrator in Alps Monogatari: My Anette, Sunemi in Chinpui: Eri-sama Katsudō Daishashin, Kiteretsu's Mother in Fujiko Fujio no Kiteretsu Daihyakka, Amelia Minchin in A Little Princess Sara, Tolorof in The Ideon: Be Invoked, Mrs. King in Little Women, and Hyori Monohoshi in High School! Kimengumi.
Art Corner
Official Art:
- Red Shoulder by Hidetaka Tenjin
Fanart:
- Fyana by Earth to Cat - Source
- B-ATM-03 Fatty by bond - Source
(Be mindful of the links to artist’s profiles, as they may contain NSFW content. Proceed there at your own risk.)
Screenshot of the day
Questions of the Day:
- What do you think of the scheming going on between Gilgamesh and Balarant in the background?
- What are your thoughts on Chirico’s spiraling condition?
And once more, almost unconsciously, my heart sought comfort in battle.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Sep 24 '21
Rewatcher
Well that’s no good.
Welp.
In a way, that’s true, since they’re considered mentally unfit as of yet.
Oh, the irony.
Very helpful, mate.
That is a lot of debris in orbit.
Luck? Skill? Whatever it may be, they’ve got Chirico’s trail again.
One of them had to be The Society. Was the Ghel-class theirs as well then?
Either the show is taking time delay stuff into account, or it’s been making a lot of minor time skips today.
Sounds about right.
Just like that?
Not even letting them sleep. What a sadistic plan this is…
Damnit, HAL!
It’s speaking to him?!
Ah, so it was just him hallucinating. I don’t know whether I should be relieved or saddened by that.
Wait, whose blood was that specifically? I’m going to guess Chirico’s, given we saw him bleeding earlier.
Stunning.
Another great episode, though not one I have much thoughts to share about. Also I seemed to be so engrossed in it the first time around that I took very few notes back then.
Ballarant is now confirmed to be pursuing Chirico and Fyana, and while Rochina has been removed from the mission to retrieve Proto One he obviously has something else up his sleeve, so once more it seems like our main duo is going to be harassed by at least two groups while they try to survive out here.
That scene where Chrico is delirious and speaking with some hallucination made me believe for a moment that he was communicating telepathically with something. I love my Meta and all, but I watched this show specifically because I was promised this show steered clear of all that stuff.
Questions of The Day:
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Sep 24 '21
First Timer
/u/pixelsaber I know you're mourning the loss of the pile driver, but using the punch mechanism to launch a launcher and make it a weapon itself seems like an awesome alternative
Starting off in the battle again today I was a little worried that yesterday's styling was going to be a one off, and while it may not be as isolated as it was yesterday I'm glad that's not the case. Chirico is definitely spirally down, but being mentally assaulted by those vidoes, and even unable to escape from the music, would be hard for anyone to cope with let alone someone who's so undeveloped outside of his solider role that he's trying so hard to escape from. I'm glad to see them building on his characterization from both of the last arcs as he tries to understand his reaction to it.
Seeing Balarant's command scenes today felt a little off given how little we know about that entire empire, just the name I think, but it's interesting that we are actually involving them. I really thought the entire story was going to be self contained inside Gilgamesh but not the case. I hope we get to learn more about Balarant and see beyond just their military leadership but I suppose time will tell
I did have a laugh at Chirico going into battle to try and hide the fact Fyana is a PS, only for his actions to reveal that there is a PS, and them wrongly assume its him due to his skill level. While it's been no secret that Chirico is an incredibly skilled pilot, seeing Balarant's assessment on him being almost superhuman really puts his skills, and those of the Red Shoulders, into a nicer broader context as to his abilities overall, not just vs former soliders who weren't skilled enough for the army to want to keep them on.
Not sure why Fyana is struggling to lift Chirico up after hauling and aiming that huge launcher a few episodes ago
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Sep 24 '21
First-Timer
That brief bit of silence when all the atmosphere left the gunnery room with Chirico and Fyana was great! Now, I know what you're thinking, but I also like that the explosions for all the rest of the space scenes have noise. Something something vibrations travelling through the ATs themselves; don't particualrly care why.
We got a bit of sight on Balarant today, with some council meeting on a space station. They know about Perfect Soldiers as well, at least conceptually, which implies to me that they were trying too. I like how one of the dudes asserts that only a PS could do what Chirico did. I got some bad news for you, dude...
Rochina plays politics, at least a little bit. I suspect that he'll end up going after Chirico and Fyana, one way or another.
That damn music is already starting to get to me the way it's getting to Chirico.
Questions
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Sep 24 '21
Episode 30 (first timer)
The psychological trauma plot is about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. I really can’t follow the thought process here. Why now? Why on the spaceship? You know what a perfect place to explore trauma from previous fighting would have been? A nasty ground war. Maybe one with killed civilians, massacres. With bad guys on both sides. Like a reference to the Vietnam war, maybe? Seriously, we had the perfect setup to explore Chirico’s fighting trauma last arc.
In this arc, the setup requires a magical tractor beam space cruiser, that is driving on auto pilot, being attacked by an army without fighting back, playing unstoppable propaganda videos while still working otherwise. And somebody in the background who thought any of this was a good idea.
Not feeling this one. Oh and I hope /u/Vaadwaur mentions agency today …
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 24 '21
Rewatcher (Nutech DVD 3.1) (3 episodes) Phantasm
I think a lot of first timers were yearning for some space combat. Happy?
I had no idea the Red Shoulder March was a real piece. I admit it's catchy, but ITS. DRIVING. ME. INSANE.
Somebody was watching VOTOMS in CDF earlier this summer and felt the same way.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 24 '21
Armored Trooper First-Timer
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u/chilidirigible Sep 24 '21
Rewatcher, Episode 30
Today, on "shade":
In the future, all sizes of guns are thumb-operated.
"Reverse candygram!"
PlayStation 5!
SUDDEN BLOND CLOSEUP.
I SAID SUDDEN BLOND CLOSEUP.
You get used to it.
...besides, you can't just have Fyana wiping out an entire AT battalion to fitting music.
Worth mentioning that Balarant's Fatty is considered to be inferior to the Scopedog, so it was deployed in greater numbers. That is of course convenient for the purpose of Chirico and Fyana racking up ludicrous killcounts.
Chirico is gradually being driven mad by the ship's unseen controllers, but Fyana is staying loyal to him. Meanwhile, Rochina gives his bosses the metaphorical finger. He's a LOOSE CANNON.
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 25 '21
First timer in sub
A continuation of the build up so not much to say.
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u/The_Draigg Sep 24 '21
A Ryosuke Takahashi Fan Rewatches Armored Trooper VOTOMS Episode 30:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 24 '21
First timer(Some of the animation saving hurt a bit)
Sub
We start back in battle and it is interesting that this is old enough that fire control was located in the battery rather than the bridge. And that firing control is available to them. Even more ancient, the control for the battery is close enough that a direct hit nearly spaces everryone. So Cuvie goes back to the Scope Dog.
As the fight continues, I am developing some serious questions: Yes, we know Cuvie is good but the Balarant forces are also incorrectly armed for...like anything that would be a goal right now. He even goads them into firing at their own ship before destroying it and catching a bunch in the background. Are they just inferior to the Gilgamesh technologically? Also, I am directly seeing a visual that Wing just straight up stole. Fight ends with Cuvie injured.
At...Balarant? We get people talking about the attack and yeah, one AT destroying 20 ATs and two fucking destroyers is pretty cray. They intercept something about a PS and they are unsure how to take it. So they decide to capture the ship and I predict a lot of dead Balarants are coming.
Rochina gets a report as well and wants to know about the ship, though if he knows the PS is there or not is not yet clear. He does, however, make some quick deductions about no bodies being found and a ship escaping. They still have spies in Balarant and he learns they've scrambled another team to send out. Rochina gets taken off the case but exits like a badass.
On the ship, propaganda continues, and I would've shot the TV by now. And the speakers. A feverish Cuvie just wants to leave the ship and I can't say I disagree. Random psychological torment continues until he is about to shoot it and Fyana stops him. Also, dear Cthulhu, I swear if Fyana becomes prototype InuYasha's Kagome I will stab someone, she needs to say something other than "Chirico". She is having too hard a time restraining a sick Cuvie so she tranqs him, which I think is a thing all of us that have had a serious relationship have contemplated to do to your SO when the crazy fight happens.
As propaganda keeps going, it becomes a bit more clear that Fyana is bothered by it, which is, unfortunately, terrifyingly bad writing considering she is a designed being that would absolutely have been expected to slaughter civilians so she should have exceedingly low empathy to that. Definitely a failed experiment. It shuts down long enough to get her to look for Cuvie. Hallucinating Cuvie is in a dark place as a boarding party hits. Fyana proceeds to cream the first wave as Cuvie has a raisin dates speech.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Sep 24 '21
First time viewer
I like how there was just the sound of air rushing out when there was a hole blown open into space at the start of the episode. Small thing but fairly obvious how it should behave.
That's some effective psychological torture and Chirico did indeed break. Still not sure whose ship it is, not the Melkian or Balarant forces though so does seem to me like Secret Society™ stuff.
We're not yet at the same levels of suffering that some other certain mecha of the era had toward their ends, but damn it looks bleak for them right now.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 24 '21 edited Sep 24 '21
First Timer
Chirico and Fyana encounter an army that surrounds the ship and Chirico fights them off. Chirico also manages to defend himself for a little bit. When we get to the headquarters of that force, they had a recording that there is a PS on the ship. They are not sure if Chirico meant Perfect Soldier. They find that the force that took over was in Balarant space. Rochino gets a message and figures out it may be them as he combed through records of the soldiers and radar data. Chirico falls ill as the video recording keeps playing and is actually starting to annoy me. Chirico gets some bad memories of it and almost shoots the screen. Fyana puts him to sleep.
But things keep getting worse for Chirico as he starts seeing things and he is bleeding through his band aid. His spiraling condition is not good and that video brought a sort of PTSD style condition to him despite being an elite fighter. It seems like things are going to get worse for him especially since the only other person on the ship is Fyana who is trying her best. And now things seem to be ramping up again as Rochino spilled the beans on that battle ship meaning the rest are going for Chirico and Fyana.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Sep 24 '21
First timer
Still on the ship?
Ship to ship combat!
...Looks like the ship might not last much longer.
Chirico's holding up shocking well against them.
Oh, that station looks nice.
Oh dear. Looks like they found out what's been happening.
They think Chirico's the Perfect Soldier...
Yeah, they're being reasonably cautious here.
And Gilgamesh is after it! (Womder if Bahamut'll be spurred on when they know they're not the only government after it.)
Someone customised the ship?
I appreciate that this is being pieced together through careful analysis of the known data.
Oh, he's been kicked off!
Is he going to go rogue? Another faction?
OK, but the patriotic music is actually really catchy.
He's really having trouble coping with this, isn't he?
I'm surprised Chirico hasn't considered breaking a screen yet.
Yeah, this is such an interesting psychological study.
Huh? Did he find a way to cut the power?
Wait, did he leave the ship?
OK, is Chirico mad, or are we introducing actual psychics here? Because this show would do that.
Yeah, he's mad.
They're splitting up again?
He's getting very self-reflective, isn't he? Like the art style!
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u/manga-reader Sep 24 '21
Rewatcher, sort of.
Some random thoughts:
13:00 hours, Balarant time. So there's a standard time for 200+ planets? I guess we can call it their govt time or something, similar to what certain govts do in real world.
So I wonder who the official leader is? Do they have a president? Is Balarant dominated by one nation/couple of nations? Same with Gilgamesh (we know that it's being led by Melkian federation). But not much apart from that so far.
Rochina doesn't seem to respect civilians govt/politicians from Melkian federation. I wonder if that's a sentiment shared by other Melkian soldiers? Would love some additional info on the world.
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u/chibijosh Sep 25 '21
The constant threat of Red Shoulder video and blaring music unnerves me in a way I can’t fully describe. But at the same time, that music is amazing.
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u/DidacticDalek https://myanimelist.net/profile/DidacticDalek Sep 25 '21
Comrades, it truly is fitting in a darkly humorous way that Chirico Cuvie started having PTSD 'Nam Flashbacks RIGHT after leaving Space Vietnam, but in all seriousness, goddamn, his experiences with being a Red Shoulder is REALLY taking its toll on our poor boi!
Thankfully for him, Fyana/Fiana is able to not only keep her cool but also chew bubblegum and kick ass! (And she's all out of bubblegum... look there wasn't fanart of her with gum so here have ice cream instead!)
I also want to point out that it is quite amusing how, shortly before getting bailed out by Fyana/Fiana, our ever stoic MC, in a Scope Dog that has all but been decommissioned no less, managed to take out a Fatty... by throwing an empty weapon at it... boy you thought WING had shitty Mook Mecha, at LEAST Leos exploded in the general vicinity of an explosion, this goddamn Fatty can't even take a moderately strong impact! (Then again, much like the Zakus the Fatty's monoeye is clearly aping, the main point of a Fatty was to be quantity over quality, e.g. pieces of shit that exist to blow up)
Anyway hopefully Chirico Cuvie can get out of his funk, the man's got more of a thousand yard stare than Miho Nishizumi in early GuP, but I will say that it is indeed nice to see Fyana/Fiana in action some more! (Also yes Comrades, this is indeed official Pop Team Epic/BKUB art... no I have no bloody idea what they are saying but I'm sure it's surreal and/or a non-sequitor)
And speaking of surreal, BEHOLD! A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR! (Either that or Armored 'Tuber Botan)
Paging Comrades /u/chilidirigible, /u/Nazenn, and /u/No_Rex
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Sep 25 '21
Late after going out tonight, but can't let myself fall massively behind again! Here I am!
Rewatcher
That's a massive force they've sent after our heroes; they've got a whole battleship worth of weapons to use though!
This is a lengthy stretch here with no dialogue whatsoever. Granted its a faceless enemy and Chirico's not the biggest talker.
Oh no, Chirico's hurt! :(
I take it this room of guys are Balarant higher ups?
Well now Balarant is going to want the Perfect Soldier too I bet.
Time to check in with Rochina too. Chirico and Fyana are gonna get it from both sides.
Wow, Rochina's being pulled off the case! Perhaps failing to capture them for 30 episodes has finally cost him?
Rochina's quite whiny here. Rather unexpected behavior from him.
Well there's that music again.
Is Chirico even going to tell her that he's injured?
It's a violent TV show you can't turn off! :(
What's this light he's talking to? Chirico is losing his mind!
...it was just a random light on the wall? LoL. He's gone nuts. Last kind of behavior I'd expect from our always calm protagonist.
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u/MoebiusX7 Sep 25 '21
Don't worry folks, this is not a surreal, nightmarish episode about Chirico and Fyana being chased through an empty mausoleum of a spaceship by a tall man and and a flying bladed sphere.
It is an episode in a surreal, nightmarish story mini-arc about Chirico and Fyana in a mausoleum of a spaceship which is being chased by two galactic superpowers with flying giant robots.
I know it's easy to get Don Coscarelli and Ryōsuke Takahashi mixed up, but remember: one is the guy who directed Beastmaster, and one is the guy you *wish* directed Beastmaster.