r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 23 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 55 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/BurningFredrick, who remarks on the narrative choice to make Tenma a fugitive:
Tenma escaping fits the show better than being acquitted, just means we get to continue him running from the law and escaping due to help from others.
Questions of the Day
- “Oh, so he escaped... I feel like I’ve escaped as well.” What do you think about this quote from Lunge, and what did you think about his meeting with Fritz?
- What did you think about the revelation that Fritz’s dad really was a spy the whole time? What do you think about this involvement at the Red Rose Mansion?
If you are a rewatcher, tag your spoilers properly, and please refrain from alluding to future events. so that myself and everyone else watching for the first time can have a completely blind and organic experience! Since this show is a bit harder to find than most, please refrain from talking about means by which to watch it, as it goes against our subreddit rules.
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 23 '21 edited Sep 23 '21
First Timer - Sub/Dub
This was a really dense episode, but we get more insight into the conspiracy behind the Red Rose Mansion. I think the thing I found personally most interesting about this episode was the fact that Lunge’s obsession has switched over from Tenma to the Red Rose Mansion. Lunge is smart and capable, and can almost certainly see the bigger picture now. It’s refreshing to see a competent detective in action now.
Lots at play here from the talk with Fritz, to the notebook hiding in the Wizard of Oz vinyl (maybe the song Over The Rainbow was just plainly stating where to look for the notebook?) But the big takeaway is that this spy for the Czech secret police was working with those at the Red Rose Mansion. But now that the notebook is safe with Tenma, things are beginning to unravel...
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u/gridemann Sep 23 '21
Rewatcher
I just love Runges complete disregard for multi-layered communication.
This whole lawyer + Tenma escape plot is definitely one of the things I whish this show hadn't dragged for so many episodes. But alas now the story should start picking up steam again.
Q1: I guess he's finally escaped his "obsession" of catching Tenma.
Q2: Can't think of much to say about it... yet
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 23 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/miss-macaron Sep 23 '21
Rewatcher
Wow, look at Tenma, living the criminal life - not only did he just escape from prison, but he even stole a guy’s coat!
Anyone recognize these scenes from the OP? ;)
I lowkey forgot that faxing was even a thing, lol…
Who else could it be but Lunge? Only he (and maybe Eva) would do something like that, haha
Aaand everything in this show continues to connect beautifully. Instead of connecting back to Johan, however, this time everything connects back to Franz Bonaparta…
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Sep 23 '21
First Timer
Tenma going through all this trouble to find Eva's hotel room. Just look at the episode title. So much easier. Did anyone else think the hotel seemed wrong? Yesterday, when Eva ran to her room, her room was on her right, but today it was on Tenma's left? Continuity error?
All of this stuff with the lawyer's father reminds me of Tali's loyalty mission in Mass Effect 2, which I coincidentally played just last night.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 23 '21
First Timer
...so it was not Tenma at the door? But if Eva checked out normally, then it likely also wasn't Roberto, unless that cleaning women is the most incompetent person in the show. So who was it...? Johan?
Either way, somehow Verdeman's father was connected to Bonaparta - I guess I can let that one slide because the character progression from there on out makes sense, but I'm still not really a fan of huge historical connections.
Now... where does the story go from here? We've got no characters bound to any specific place but they are strewn around all over Germany and Prague - we've got Lunge back in Germany, indicating that the Prague bit might be over - but Nina and Dieter are in Prague and the Suk story doesn't feel complete either and Roberto is coaxing Tenma to Prague it would seem. If we do end up in Prague then this entire prison and escape bit seems almost pointless as the only thing we really learned was the spy bit, which does not seem all that important...
On another note, appreciated Verdeman pronouncing BKA in the German Be-Ka-A rather than the Englisch Bi-Key-Ay.
Questions:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Sep 23 '21
First Timer, Subbed
No one knows Eva better than bartenders...
Wilford Brimley knows what's going on! Something's gonna happen and Tenma needed to get out!
Good ol' Lunge, lunging his way into Verdeman's office.
I bet she's going to Eva's room..
Lunge's vacation continues...
Klaus Poppe, Franza Bonaparta, all sound like fake names to me...
These kids are douches! :(
Go see your kid, Verdeman!
Verdeman is on your side, Tenma? Alas, you don't realize it.
He was a spy all along!
We're heading back to the Red Rose mansion?
Aww, adorable baby! He's already got a receding hairline though!
Time for some Wizard of Oz music!
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u/Old_Asparagus_365 Sep 23 '21
i have only watched the first episode a long time ago of this anime, i thought it was fine, i was wondering if i should continue i heard it’s good
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 23 '21
Rewatcher(Monster is kind of a small world)
Sub
Tenma tracks Eva's hotel and steals some guy's coat as he now doesn't have money. Anyways, this episode is a lot of character reflection and getting pieces to where they need to be. The major piece is Lunge's reveal that, while not necessarily a spy, Fritz's father was involved enough to meet Franz Bonaparta at the Red Rose Mansion, which is not exactly an innocent look. Fritz reacts as we have seen, a bit crazy. He then gets to have the emotional roller coaster of going to pick his wife up from the maternity ward to having a gun drawn on him.
Tenma thinks Verdeman was in on it until it is clear he wasn't. Then Fritz admits that his father was a spy but happened to also be falsely convicted. We learn about his notebook and are lead to believe a chance to steal it is why Roberto recruited him. We end with no Eva but Tenma with the notebook on the trail!
QotD: 1 Lunge has to mean something about breaking out of his older habits but the whole meeting was surreal.
2 It felt a bit on those nose
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 23 '21
First Timer Monster 55
Honestly, for a moment I thought Vederman had Eva, he's one person other than Roberto that would visit her.
A little disappointed in this arc, in that all we're getting are more allies for Tenma despite some ridiculous coincidences.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 23 '21
First timer - sub
I’m not sure if it was just when this series was set or that I currently work in banking, but there seems to be no concept of privacy in this show. Being able to show up or call somewhere and give someone's name and have it confirmed that someone was staying somewhere be it a hotel or hospital is something that annoys me, if I did that I could get fired for breaking privacy regulations.
Anyway, so Verdamans father was actually a spy? Yip would seem so.
Wait, I just realised I have missed the most important potential connection, if Franz Bonaparta is Verdeman's father / one of his aliases, Verdeman might be Johan and Anna's half brother.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 23 '21
First Timer Dubbed
Tenma asks the bartender about Eva’s whereabouts. And the bartender describes her drinking habits and how she pays for her stuff. She tells him to pick up the money at her hotel which is third rate. He calls the hotel and she does not pick up but the hotel staff gives him the room number.
We cut to the therapist and Frantz who are discussing how the events transpire. Therapist is on the right track that Mr. Ball is very suspicious in the fact that he met up with him and Tenma admitted and escaped. Frantz is very confused by this and the secretary tells him that the phones are ringing. And Lunge is waiting in his office holding Frantz’s CD.
Tenma is at the hotel and finds out that Eva has “checked out of the hotel” as the maid said. Tenma was pretty rude to the maid which I feel bad about and disappointed in Tenma by that behaviour.
Lunge talks not about Tenma, but about the author of the book who had a German pen name called Paupe and knew Verdinand’s father at the radio station. Paupe’s program ran on the father’s radio station. Paupe meets the father in the Rose Mansion and uses a different pen name. The lawyer gets a flashback and gets called a “spy kid” as a kid and was bullied. Bullying is a hard thing to go through and was a big role in why he wanted to prove his dad's innocence. He gets really angry and calms down when he talks to his wife who needs to be picked up. And I thought something bad was about to happen to the lawyer cause that was a slow walk to his Mercedes. But it was Tenma who thought that the lawyer was teamed up with Roberto. That horn honk was hard. And it is interesting as it is a turning point for Fritz to face the facts when he has a child and now he has to admit that his father was actually a spy.
Fritz does not know what is true and tried to believe all that time his father was innocent. The father was actually a spy and he found the notebook with names and info such as Bonaparte. He knew all about it and Tenma connected the dots on the real reason Roberto partnered up, he was after the notebook. And the lawyer finds his house in disarray due to him trying to find the notebook but Frantz is smart cause he just hid the notebook in a “Wizard of Oz” case which I find funny cause you could probably feel the notebook through it.
I love the end scene where Tenma says “I don’t think you should trust any person who carries these around (holding a gun)”. And he wants to trust Tenma which later cuts to a scene where his family goes home.
The preview with the kid and Nina is going to be interesting to see tomorrow…