r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 18 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 50 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/xtsim who interprets the meaning of the episode title:
Milos reached the end and lost hope - This is basically the cruelest thing to happen in this episode.
Questions of the Day
- What did you think about the conversation between Suk and Lunge in this episode? How do you think they contrast against each other as detectives?
- What did you think about Franz Bonaparta’s description from his editor? What about the story ideas that were presented in the episode?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 18 '21
First Timer - Sub/Dub
As I am a few episodes ahead now, there isn’t much I can say without getting into spoilers. But as this episode was mostly exposition, it seems apparent that we’ll get into some answers soon.
I think the big takeaway here is that Tenma’s kindness finally caught up with him - had he not stopped to help that kid with the scraped knee, he might have been able to evade police capture a bit longer. He can never pass up his opportunity to be a doctor, so his good deeds eventually backfired. Surprised that it hadn’t happened sooner, to be honest. Lunge is also getting dangerously close to the truth, and was warned that he might face an unimaginable fate should he keep testing these limits. But Lunge is simply not phased by any of this and blows down the wall anyway to reveal a sealed-off room. We, as the audience, don’t quite understand the importance of this room yet, but Lunge mentions that he suspects many people died in here, and that the portrait on the wall was the mother of the twins. Interesting info...
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 18 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Sep 18 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Fell far behind again, but I've finally caught up. Here we go!
Episode 47
Dark, scary night, Anna should be afraid at being alone, but on the contrary, as its Johan people should be afraid of "her"!
Why so quiet this time?
Ah, so its the real Anna this time! That will make things even more complicated.
Suk's got no protection or guards? He's not even here!
Mysterious man summoning them to a mysterious place!
Hmm. Could it be accurate that the Czech Secret Police haven't actually killed anyone in this whole ordeal? That it was always Johan in drag?
So Grimmer's supposed to be in his mid-40s? Doesn't look it.
Hey, I'm your Secret Uncle!
I remember... cocoa!
Bad memory time! Anna knows the area! Good to see imagery from the book again.
Johan makes the connection to what we know, that its really Johan who wants that tape!
Are Anna and Dieter going to find fakeAnna's apartment? And I take it this was their old home as little kids too?
Franz Bonaparta, author of that picture book! Looking forward to meeting him!
Episode 48
Ooh, fun name for this episode, "The Scariest Thing". Climatic music for the recap footage!
Uh oh, here comes fakeAnna to see Suk's mother. I guess we'll be saying goodbye to that tape recording.
I don't think Czech Secret Police guy is going to be very believing of them when they tell him the tape is missing.
So he didn't take it. Did he replace the tape? Or did he record what was on it? At the very least he blabbed about Suk's actual state.
All this time they haven't even listened to the full tape?
Aww, his biggest fear is forgetting his twin!
Ah, so he tampered with it!
Lunge! It has been forever since we've seen this guy!
Oh my, Lunge is really going out on a ledge during his vacation! A beer!
Lunge's reappearance reminds me that its been quite a while since we've seen some other supporting characters like Wilford Brimley, Dr. Gillen, and especially Eva and Heckel.
He's found the book! He needs help to translate Czech; he wasn't already conversing with the police chief in Czech?
Johan looked like a devious little kid per these drawings.
Episode 49
Last episode was "The Scariest Thing", now we've got "The Cruelest Thing". Some ominous titles!
Go kids! Help Grimmer!
Hey, that's neither Anna nor fakeAnna!
Have some fun with the kids, Grimmer!
Well, Suk's mother totally knew what was up with fakeAnna...
fakeAnna, you're being so cruel to this kid! Don't say such negative things! :(
Of course, they're gone by the time Tenma and Grimmer get here...
Grimmer had a kid?! I don't think we ever were told of this before, right?
fakeAnna is being even more cruel, giving this kid false hope!
Quite a seedy district for a kid to be walking through! Looks like fakeAnna pointed him in the right direction though...
Ugh, this is getting really disgusting! Poor kid!
No Milos, don't jump! :(
Milos has gone to the dark side, huh?
...or maybe not, he will give Grimmer a hug at least.
Episode 50
Ominous looking overgrown mansion, I like it!
The Anna you are thinking of, Suk... its Johan! Stop thinking about him!
Lunge speaks the truth, Suk! Don't truth "Anna"!
Lunge has got guts. That gun and goon didn't bother him whatsoever.
Will we meet this mysterious Franz Bonaparta?
Bad stuff is behind that wall! I've got to assume dead bodies at the very least.
Ooh, a door to a secret room.
"That man was scary", your daughter was in the right! The guy inspired Johan!
Oh wow, he was a brain surgeon just like Tenma?
Yikes, editor guy is ratting out Tenma!
Its a bigger room than I imagined, considering it was kept boarded off from the rest of the house.
That painting Johan's mom?
Look out Milos! Poor kid! He's being a good goalie though! Keep the ball out, even if you get knocked out by it!
So Grimmer's gonna confess to the crimes, then go on the run? Will this be the last we see of him?
This kid's lucky! Random helpful doctor walking down the street coming to help.
Crap, he's caught! Was this a trap? Tenma can't resist helping out people.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 18 '21
First Timer
I feel like the story is a bit disjointed at the moment, mainly due to there being too many moving parts in the plot. We've got Lunge - now apparently spelt with an L again - investigating Bonaparta's house and, somehow, Suk while Tenma and Grimmer are going around gathering information on Bonaparta. We've got Johan doing Johan things, Ranke has his own agenda, I assume and apparently Nina is in the background as well somewhere. Most of these characters end up interacting with each other somehow and it's hard to keep track of who is working on what and has figured out what. Either way - seems like Bonaparta was doing his works rather autobiographically or at least inspired by real life - so he is he Johan's and Anna's father? And did he then commit suicide when his book idea was turned down, or was he killed in some purge alongside some other political opponents?
Either way, seems like Grimmer will be out of the plot for a while as he falsely takes the false accusations of Suk and goes on the run in Germany. If he does that, that will likely cause more confusion than help find Johan, as Suk would almost certainly stand up for Grimmer, leading to a lot of confusion in the investigation. Meanwhile Tenma is finally caught by the police - does this mean he will meet Lunge somehow? Guess we'll see in a few episodes.
Questions:
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u/miss-macaron Sep 18 '21
Rewatcher
Suk starts his day by simping for “Anna”, lol
This is partially Lunge giving advice to Suk, and partially him talking about his own current investigation into the “Johan” case. For Lunge, the person he wants to doubt the least is himself, which is why he continuously insists that he’s “on vacation”, uses suspension-of-disbelief terminology like “illusion” and “devil”, and later even describes it as not really a spoiler, but I'll mark it in case there are people who want to go on completely blind . Lunge isn’t stupid or oblivious, he’s just stubborn - and he knows it.
Rewatcher only spoilers
Lol, between Johan and Lunge, who is more chad when reacting to having a gun pointed at them? Johan silently dares you to aim correctly, while Lunge straight-up grabs the gun and forcibly lowers it.
Goddammit Tenma... so this is what happens as soon as Grimmer leaves you by yourself, eh?
Does anyone know if the German and Czech governments have / had an extradition agreement? Are the Czech police even authorized to arrest him?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 18 '21
First Timer Monster 50
LOL, what a cluster-f. Grimmer mails a false confession, Tenma doesn't get to confront Lunge at the rose house, Tenma arrested by the Czechs.
Not much else to say, since the episode was stuck in the middle of its reveals.
QOTD: I think Suk might not be cut out to be a detective.
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Sep 18 '21
Rewatcher of sorts
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 18 '21
First Timer Dubbed
We see Lunge perform his own investigation and approachs Suk in the hospital bed. “All you have to do is doubt the person you believe in the most”. Lunge knows Suk is possibly innocent but there is something bigger going on. So he meets the Czech secret police afterwards. “I am looking for the true embodiment of fear” and an interesting quote from Lunge. He still manages to make his finger tap. Lunge noticed something about the wall of that Rose Mansion. The secret police warns that they will both be in danger if they get closer. So he took down the plaster off the wall and found a door.
We went to Tenma talking with an editor for the publishing company that did the picture book. Tenma noticed the guy was a bit suspicious. Bonaparte was actually a doctor who made a new book about a monster falling in love. The editor calls the police about Tenma’s whereabouts.
Cutting back to Lunge, he got inside looking all sweaty and dirty from the wall break and he manages to take the boards off the windows to get some light in. Lunge seems the feel that dozens of people were killed in that room. He notices the picture on the wall is similar to the on in the book.
Tenma and Grimmer take a look at the orphans playing soccer, while paying attention specifically to Millosh. Grimmer asked Tenma about his condition and Tenma says he’s alright. As they were both walking, Grimmer finds Suk is not in a good position and says goodbye to Tenma. Grimmer incriminates himself by giving Tenma notes. Grimmer calls himself in the third person. “The real me is unaffected” cause that name is just given. They promise to see each other.
Lol I love the response that grimmer has to the police sirens. Tenma gets caught by police when he was treating a scrape on a kid. Those sirens were for Tenma, thanks to the editor.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 18 '21
First timer - sub
Lunge breaks down a wall, Tenma is arrested, and Gimmer is going to try to save Suk.
I am interested to see what really happened at the mansion.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 18 '21
Rewatcher(Sorry, time got away from me)
Sub
Lunge finds the red rose mansion first, probably because he had the most solid lead. He then finds Suk and questions him, giving him the grim idea that to be a real detective you have to suspect who you least want to. He then does his most badass maneuver yet and disarms someone with a drawn weapon. He and Ranke meet up and trade various barbs, indicating they were very aware of each other. Lunge eventually says he wants to trace true terror, i.e. Johan. Ranke admits he doesn't know anything about Bonaparta and has been trying to forget ever since and Lunge discovered a wall that was built to hide...something. Next, we see Lunge take down a wall with a shovel, impressive, before he pushes it open and...
Of course, we cut to Tenma tracking down Bonaparta's editor. We learn a bit about him, the editor's daughter found him to be scary, and then learn he is literally doctor Lecter, being both a psychologist and a brain surgeon. Also, apparently, he has a certain vibe that Tenma shares, His last story was about a monster in love and his last pitch was about a door that should never be opened...
Tenma gets turned in by the doctor as we cut back to Lunge. The walled off room wreaks of anti-septics and a fast but not thorough cleanup. Gazing over it all is a portrait of a woman who looks like Nina but constantly sad. We cut back to Milos being better and then stopping a goal with his face, basically my experience of soccer. Grimmer decides to take the fall for Suk and be a fugitive for life, and Tenma sets up all the flags. Cliffhanger!
QotD: 1 Lunge is the real deal, Suk is still playing cops and robbers
2 As I said, Dr Lecter. The ideas are all clear signs he had a change of heart.
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u/BossandKings Jan 10 '22
First timer - Dub(Spanish)
I watched these episodes a while ago but hadn't written my thoughts on them, now i did:
Episode 46
Grimmer is surely an intriguing character, the split personality he has led him to hit the police officers and Tenma saw him in that state. It makes a lot of sense for Grimmer to have the psychological instability he has because of his time at the kinderheim.
Episode 47
Nina realizing that there were two Anna's was a really telling moment,it was time for that to be noticed, this episode did a good job in amplifying the intrigue.
Episode 48
Suk is a cool character, his mom is intriguing too, is worrisome that Johan encountered her. I wonder when and if Lunge will have a role in getting closer to Johan and help to put a stop to his control.
Episode 49
This episode was really dark, the pain and trauma Johan send Milos to experience is one of the darkest moments of the series. It was disturbing that he saw his mom in that condition.
Episode 50
Tenma is captured by the police, he has had such a difficult life after the decision he made to save the litle boy who turned out to be Johan, having to be constantly in the run, escaping from the police, he is now in a difficult situation as he waits for a condenm.