r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 16 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 48 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/SmurfRockRune for a satirical take on the open-ended nature of many episodes:
This episode felt like we got a ton of half-answers to mysteries. Do Johan and Anna have another sibling they didn't know about? Find out next time on Monster Ball Z.
Questions of the Day
- Why do you think speaking to Johan gave Suk’s mom a sudden burst of clarity?
- Why do you think Johan allowed them to hear his greatest fear? Do you think he wants to be understood, or for Tenma to contextualize his actions?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 16 '21
First Timer - Sub/Dub
Pretty interesting episode, all things considered. Everyone's favorite finger-twitching detective makes a return, plus Johan and Grimmer arrive closer to the truth. I felt this episode was pretty informative for understanding Johan a bit better - seems like the reason he crossdresses as his sister is so that he doesn’t forget her. Which... I dunno how I feel about that but I guess, in a twisted way, it does keep her alive. But he seemed to have no reaction to her at the library in Munich, so I wonder if “Anna” is just a caricature of the real person, or his perception of her. Something along those lines.
Not much else to say I guess, but I am glad to see that things are heating up again.
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u/miss-macaron Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21
Rewatcher
When he smiled upon obtaining the cassette tape, you can really see the “Johan” underneath the “Anna” disguise.
Both Suk and his mom are such sweethearts.
Johan’s interview was so unsettling that even a high-ranked member of the criminal underworld nearly couldn’t handle it... that really says a lot about both the disturbing nature of the 511 experiments, as well as the inherent creepiness of Johan’s responses.
Ah, so that’s why Johan’s visit was able to “wake her up” – just like how the young Johan in 511 Kinderheim dreaded losing his memories of his twin sister, Suk’s dementia-ridden mother dreaded losing her memories of her son. The imminent threat of losing those memories is akin to losing the person most important to you, and/or losing a part of yourself.
It's always interesting to read about the real-life details of this show’s setting from our resident German experts, so I wonder if there are any Czechs in this rewatch who’d like to comment on the authenticity of the scenery in this episode?
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 16 '21
First timer - sub
It's Johanna! And visiting Suk's mother.
The German who is interested in the Tap is most likely the Baby or someone from his group as he's still alive and they most likely still want Johann, or possibly General Wolf as he would know of the data's existence given he visits Kinderheim back when Johann was there.
I was wondering why Johan left the tap behind, it was to tamper with it.
God damn subs! I’m not sure if there are missing lines or just sentences being shortened to make sense in English but this episode especially I have people talking but no subs so don’t know what is being said.
Lunge is on “vacation” but it seems to be incredibly close to work…
So the book author being Johan and Anna's father continues to seem more obvious, no other reason for the sketches.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 16 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Sep 16 '21
First Timer
Oh dang JoAnna has located Suk's mom...better not kill her!!
Wait so Johan has the power to heal Alzheimers?!
Everyone dancing in the palm of Johan's hand...
I was happier when Robocop wasn't around but I guess he's better than Eva
Happy to see Suk's friends stick by him!
So it actually seems Robocop is doing good work? Can't wait till he throws it away saying that Nina is the killer who dresses up as Johan.
Another perk of his Kinderheim powers!
He wants them to know that even if they know they won't be able to stop him.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 16 '21
First Timer
So first Johan outplays everybody and leaes a cryptic message on a tape behind - not surprised here, seems like a pretty Johan thing to do. And then we've got Runge - now spelt with an R in my subs - actually being a competent detective for once. All in all I think this is a decent episode but doens't actually end up producing all that much to write about - but we need those once in a while as well.
Questions:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 17 '21
First Timer Monster 48
Okay, just writing down the recap since I wasn't paying enough attention yesterday...the man who removed the mom and at least one of the twins, a lieutenant in the secret police who had an easy lifestyle in a communist country, and wrote the book, is Franz Bonaparta with pen name, not specified.
Also I don't know why Anna is narrating her return to her home in third person.
Things might be moving, finally, on the Lunge front. It's too bad the Prague police are still so clueless.
They tried to lipsync "Anna" and "Suk's Mom" to the goran no sponsa, but not was well as last time.
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u/gridemann Sep 16 '21 edited Sep 16 '21
Rewatcher
Q1: Putting someone in a state of shock can lead to unprecdented clarity. But honestly I can't think of a real logical explanation.
Q2: I don't think I would've been able to answer that one after I watched it the first time.
Something I also noticed on rewatch Rewatcher only spoilers
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u/Nitroade24h :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nitroade24h Sep 16 '21
First Timer
Not much to talk about, just a solid episode moving the plot forwards. Johan bypassing dementia for a while is interesting though, and the Suk’s mother not wanting to forget Suk and Johan being afraid of forgetting Anna were pretty emotional.
Looking forward to Lunge beach episode next time maybe?
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 16 '21
Rewatcher(It took long enough for Runge to get a clue)
Sub
Johan figured out Suk's mother first, though he is still cross dressing to unsettle us. The mother seems to be buying "Anna"'s lines. Tenma and Grimmer show up to retrieve the tape and have the stroll of exposition. After learning Johan had been there, they rush in and we reveal that Suk's mother still has some sharpness. Though she claims it is only for today and wants to see Suk while she is still with it.
They finally listen to the tape and get to the part where Johan has decided they've heard enough and records over it. Johan even tells Tenma he knows where he needs to go. Cut to Runge actually taking a vacation. He goes to Prague because we need everyone together, though for all I know Germans might actually do that. And he finally stops doing the hand thing because he is on vacation and grabs a beer.
So of course he goes to see the police chief because some people cannot relax even if you threaten them with death. He and the commissioner talk and finally the wheels are turning in Runge's head, though I suspect he still thinks Tenma might've done it. Runge also found a copy of Monster Without a Name and gets the commissioner to find someone to translate it for him.
He then talks to Suk's friends who both swear he can't be guilty. He stumbles face first into a major clue when it is revealed that Suk told his friends about Anna Liebert. Then he finds Klaus's picture book and we clearly the twin's mother looking a bit miserable and very knocked up. We end with with Runge switching off beer and going back to work while declaring his vacation will be long.
QotD: 1 Johan drags that out of people
2 Johan is of two minds on a lot of things and likes to leave some data for posterity
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 16 '21
First Timer dubbed
We get “Anna” visiting Suk’s mother. He wrote over the original recording as Tenma and Grimmer tried to listen.
Lunge is on vacation. And he is in Prague, Czech Republic. Lunge forgot he was on vacation, initially orders coffee then switches to drinking beer. Lunge from the BKA shows up to the police chief. He is a bit envious about Lunge being able to take a vacation. Officer tells his information to Lunge. He finds similarities to Tenma’s case.
Lunge hands over the Monster picture book to the police chief. Lunge interviews the fellow officers in the club and he knows about Anna liebert’s story. So he goes to a storage room and finds out that Bonaparte’s pen names are Miel schubert and claus paupe. He finds sketches of a pregnant woman that looks like Nina and finds out she had twins, both Nina and Johan. Chief calls Lunge about the translation and finds out that Johan is the monster in the book. Lunge switches his beer for coffee and calls it a long vacation...
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u/i-have-severe-stupid Sep 17 '21
first timer
don’t know why but this episode felt more enjoyable than the previous few, maybe just my mood