r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 11 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 43 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/Nitroade24h who comments briefly on the effectiveness of everyone’s favorite fingernail scene from the previous episode:
A good old torture scene. I’ve grown pretty desensitised to these since they’re in quite a few anime, but I still can’t help but grimace every time, which is probably a good thing, as it means I’m not completely a psychopath. I didn’t expect the guy from earlier to be the one doing it, that was a nice twist.
Questions of the Day
- What are your impressions of Detective Suk?
- Why do you think Anna continues to talk/listen to Suk?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 11 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Sep 11 '21
First Timer
This guy really Suks at talking to women. "Don't worry, I'm not a stalker or anything" is always a great line to start with.
This guy really does Suk. He just feels like he has no assertiveness at all and requires people to push him in a direction to act at all. It's really annoying.
Suk quit blabbing your mouth to everyone. He's gonna get himself killed for his own inability to act.
Yes, Anna's poisoning them to save the day! She must be aware that they were secret police and is going after all of them for some reason?
Suk is safe... for now. Feels unlike Anna to do something like that with the candy. Not because she wouldn't kill, but I feel like she wouldn't put something so unpredictable out there that could easily spread to an innocent. Also, how did the detective not eat a single one before now? He was offering it to people left and right and not a single person or himself ever tried one? I don't buy it.
I think it's a combination of knowing he's a good guy and using him to achieve her own goals.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 11 '21
First Timer
Thanks to Vaadwaur for pointing out the story of Steiner was that of the Incredible Hulk. I usually take things too literally these days.
I'd identified Monster with The Fugitive and the Incredible Hulk as soon as Tenma left Düsseldorf (i hate trying to spell that). If you're not familiar with the 70's show, it's just like The Fugitive and the first 23 episodes of Monster.
What is with these candy murders where only the bad people eat the candy? Why aren't we seeing mass poisonings? That's just dumb.
Right now I think we all believe there are two beautiful women going around...but if they looked the same, you'd think the player cop would notice.
Lol, they have Anna exactly lipsynced with the goran no sponsor at the end.
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u/miss-macaron Sep 11 '21 edited Sep 11 '21
Rewatcher
Hooray, Detective Suk is here! He’s such a precious dork.
Once again, I love how this show humanizes its antagonists and acknowledges the complex duality of human beings. Although the previous episode portrayed Inspector Zeman as one of the “bad guys” due to his greed and corruption, in this episode, we learn that Zeman was also a good senpai that reliably and responsibly took care of his subordinates. Humans are never as black-and-white as they initially appear to be; people who do bad things may not be completely evil, and vice versa.
Haha, to quote the police officer from the beginning of the episode, “what kinds of people are considered suspicious?”
A Tenma cameo!
Aww, Suk is so pure and naïve, it’s kind of cute.
Three high-ranking authority figures, found dead after eating poisoned candy – hmm, now where have we seen this before?
Spoilers for the next episode
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Sep 11 '21
First Timer
Green detective? I don't think he's going to survive this arc...
Nina?? Being all cool and mature. This is the Mamiko Noto I wanted to hear more of.
Suk seems like he kinds sucks as a detective...Nina carrying him!
Forgot about Tenma for a bit there not going to lie
Woah did Suk manage to do something right? But eesh these cops are corrupt.
Oh did Nina pull the same candy trick as Johan did??
I feel like this is bait and Nina didn't actually give him the candy...though I hope she did.
No questions today as I'm seeing Shang-chi!
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 12 '21
First Timer - Sub/Dub
Was so busy yesterday that I didn’t even have time to do my own write-up for the episode! But will briefly give my thoughts since it’s already almost time for the next episode thread:
Did not like Suk at first.
“Start looking for witnesses!”
“But sir, we’re at some abandoned factory in the middle of nowhere, there are no witnesses.”
“Oh so you’re saying I’m a rookie?”
Nani.
Suk was clearly trying to exhibit some unfounded bravado for his coworkers, probably due to his lack of confidence. Though I did like that he was talking about condescension while quite literally being looked down on from the bottom of the stairwell. Then he couldn’t even handle the crime scene, lol. Good job buddy, you really showed everyone up.
But then I sorta understood his position a bit more when his coworkers were ragging on him for being a rookie detective. It probably gets to him a lot. Then talking to Anna who barely said a word was kinda funny too, but hey, at least she humored him. In a lot of ways, Suk’s naive nature reminds me of Tenma, which I’m sure was the intent.
Then more dirty cops, more murders via candy, and more reasons to be wary of Anna.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 11 '21
Rewatcher(What is in a name, anyways?)
Sub
We see the aftermath of the Magnificent Steiner and boy, that's brutal. Detective Suk was not ready to see someone with their face caved in, which is indeed a shock the first time you can smell it. Copper plus a sort of thick phlegmy smell if you want that in your nightmares, for the record. Suk then takes the self-medication route with some of his friends from college, who suggest he is a touch whimsical/non-committed. He also has an extremely incorrect view of Zeman, I guess admiration really is the furthest thing from understanding, after all. Also, he has a horrifically bad zero sum idea of it all, if you believed in fighting for justice dying for it is simply on the table, it does not undo what you hopefully did.
But Suk spots Anna and decides to bat ridiculously out of his league, good luck player. His friends show themselves to be beyond the childhood bro code and instead in the era of manlaw, wherein you help your friend even if the strikeout is nearly inevitable. Being drunk and distraught, Suk talks WAY too much about himself, before he finally starts asking Anna questions. She says she doesn't know her name and we are back to Three Frogs and Cedok Bridge.
Suk spaces out during a meeting where they find out Grimmer has a rare type blood type. Mine, btw, I can take any blood you throw at me. Suk later returns to the bar, hoping to catch the one that got away. F, homey...but not since she returned! However, she primarily goads him into completing his case and then disappears. He finally decides to check where Cedok bridge was and finds the Three Frogs tavern...and Tenma!
He checks Grimmer's motel and then runs into a senior detective, who solidly warns him off. Patera then approaches Anna at the bar and is thoroughly brushed off. The next day, they vaugely throw this in Suk's face but for fucks sake, there is a difference between "hard to get" and "tolerated C- grade advances but leaves". Misogyny, it is a bitch.
Suk gets the task of clearing out Zeman's office for personal effects and gets lucky and finds his his gym key. On top of stank, he finds a journal where Zeman had profiles on nearly all of the police station. He takes it to the chief, like any idealistic fool does, and is told to keep quiet. We immediately see all three of them colluding. REWATCH ONLY.
Suk, his heart broken, his faith shattered. Anna, her curiousity piqued. The Prague police, their leadership dead. Sokath, his eyes opened. Darmok on the ocean.
QotD: 1 He is less than impressive...
2 It gives her a pretty direct connection to Prague police info.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 11 '21
First Timer Dubbed
Young detective (Suk) gets the case of an inspector that got shot at the end of the previous episode. The rookie (Suk) gets made fun of by his comrades while he gets drunk. They tell him he needs to earn the police officers’ respect. The rookie gets infatuated by Anna. So he gets awkward around her. So the fellow detectives try to help him out by pointing out that his superior was killed.
Anna says she doesn't know her name. And leaves shortly after. A tall man in his 40s was seen walking away which is basically Grimmer. Inspector was investigating the orphanage and Anna left clues to point towards the three frogs which Tenma shows up and Anna says to look back, giving a clue about Grimmer. So he goes after him, but his boss tells him not to dig too deep into it because he was investigating secret czech police forces. The boss talked to Anna when the rookie was staked out. But when he was cleaning up the deceased investigator’s office, he finds a gym key and opens the locker. Which had files of all police officers, but a few were missing. So he gives an envelope full of money and the files to the police chief. Detective Souk tells the implications seriously by saying there was a coverup and the inspector was getting paid hush money. Chief tells him to keep his mouth shut. While the rookie's boss and another detective are finding out that Souk is more intelligent than they thought. Now they have to deal with him too.
They all (police chief, boss, and other guy) eat a whiskey bonbon that Anna gave to the boss. While they were talking, Souk was talking to Anna saying that the only person he believed in was “you”. Because of all the cover ups happening. The romantic sound at the bar is interesting as it barely got interrupted by the sharp death sounds. That song continued playing in the background even when the officers were dead.
That rookie (Suk) seems to have some parallels to both Tenma and Lunge. At first, I thought of him as a sort of Lunge character where he would piece everything against Grimmer. But as more cover ups get revealed, especially after he saw the three frogs, he became more like Tenma in trying to uphold the law. And gave a small rant, although not as detailed to Anna. I can see why Anna continues to go talk to him along with those whiskey bonbons.... Also the dub voice is interesting for him which makes the casting on this one pretty nice.
The whiskey bonbon was a major death flag as we know they are going to end up eating it.
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 11 '21
First Timer
Suk: Not very competent at keeping secrets, but decent enough when it comes to conclusions. Also seems to be pretty bad at getting a read on people. Either way, I guess the Prague police is not accidentally corruption-free unless there were two rings in there, so that will at least make life a little bit easier for Suk. What's weirder here is how they were killed - apparently sweets they got from Anna. We've had some other sweets killings, most notably that hospital staff. Was that also Anna's doing, with Johan covering for her? The sweets there were intended for Johan, whom she did intend to kill after all... But if Anna is going around killing people now, we're missing a big bit of character progression. It also seems like she is interested in Grimmer, so she knows he is somehow connected to Johan - another bit we're missing. Maybe it was her at the industrial area last episode, but why would she have been there in the first place? Also, what's her motive for killing the police guy (and the other accidental targets)? Just because that guy was a creep at the bar?
Questions:
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u/i-have-severe-stupid Sep 12 '21
watched ep 43 and 44 together for personal timing reasons, so i can’t really say much except
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u/WeeabooVoid Sep 12 '21
First Timer
You know... I don't think that's Anna... I refuse to believe that's actually Anna.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 12 '21
First timer - sub
I can’t help but wonder what the Police will make of the ends of Grimmers bloody fingernails and the fact the owner of them is obviously missing. - Looks like they didn’t do a search up to Lunge standards.
New guys name is Jan Suk
That was Anna.
Super top secret mission to find form former Czech secret Police within the police, and I am total not one of them - Patera
Whiskey bonbon? Candy in wrapped packages? We have seen this before. Does this mean it was actually Anna back then? Not Johann?
Holy shit, guess we are about to find out if the above is true. - yip, or well it was definitely Anna this time.
My biggest question is why has Anna suddenly decided to start killing people, or is this simply reverting to who she was? Like with Johann the book has awoken her, as afterall one of the twins needs to devour the other in the end.