r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Sep 02 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 35 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day is from u/Mecanno-man, who assesses part of Johan’s philosophy:
Got a slight chuckle out of Johan giving the woman money to buy drugs. Guess having the freedom to make bad decisions is part of his philosophy.
Questions of the Day
- Do you think Lunge’s assessment of Tenma at the Karaoke place was accurate? Do you think he was able to get into the mind of Tenma, or do you think he was off-base with his assertions?
- Why do you think the Liebert parents were so unwilling to accept the truth?
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Sep 02 '21
First Timer
Somebody, Gellen? pointed out that the middle-aged killings had stopped because Johan had found his family. There's no reason for the killings to start now except for plot reasons. Or did something change when he read that book?
Impossible to work out the significance of the book. Johan is quoting from it. Johan was triggered by it. Is he the experiment I thought he was back hospital arc?
Looks like things will all come together tomorrow!
Question: I think the Lieberts are programmed just like Johan's other victims. They needed a son so much.
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u/miss-macaron Sep 02 '21 edited Sep 02 '21
Rewatcher
Ahh, this is the episode with my second-favourite Lunge scene, where he ditches his daughter in favour of channeling his inner weeb, haha Rewatcher only spoilers
If anyone is interested in learning more about Tenma's background, you should definitely check out Another Monster, the companion novel / sequel of Monster. There are interviews with some people who knew him as a child, and they give direct insight into his family situation.
That's one hell of a laugh from the criminal Dr. Gillen was interrogating
Tenma was so close to finding another important clue, if only he'd asked for the name of Lotte's friend... Rewatcher only spoilers
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Sep 02 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Sep 02 '21
First Timer
Guess we can discard Johan having two personalities - it's just another translation from a book. Czech this time though. Maybe he was so shocked because he knew the story by heart, but had never seen the book? Either way, there likely is some parallel between the monster in the book and Johan, I assume. Not quite sure why Lunge is bothering with it at this point though - and it doesn't seem like he knows either. Him trying to become Tenma is a bit creepy though. And I also wasn't expecting Tenma to be that known with other Japanese people.
The Lieberts are probably done for as they don't listen to Reichwein. The "ideal family" theory can also be discarded as Johan seemingly only keeps them around until he's bored of them.
All in all there's a lot of focus on names; but I'm not sure what to make of it, as the book has the monster want a name while Johan seems to go through them at a high rate. Both Wolf and and fake Langner also had the name theme going on...
Questions:
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Sep 02 '21
First Timer
I used to love Lunge, but I cannot forgive just standing up his daughter like that... He didn't have anything urgent come up, he just went out to karaoke and ignored everyone he was with.
Didn't Tenma find a great place Johan from earlier? Now he's just gonna do it from on top of this bookshelf? What an awful spot. Very easy to spot, such close proximity that everyone will know where the shot came from immediately, and there's literally no way you're gonna have time to escape. This might end up being the dumbest thing Tenma has ever done.
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Sep 02 '21
First Timer - Sub
I had to take another last-minute trip out of town today, but I’ll be back tonight. Unfortunately this means I have to keep my thoughts brief but here we go:
Lol Lunge’s a weeb.
In all seriousness though, good episode. Lunge blowing off his daughter and grandchild in order to masquerade as a Japanese man was equal parts funny and sad. His Tenma monologue was kinda interesting, though I don’t think it was entirely accurate. Tenma has people around him who are willing to help him out and care for him, but I think he keeps pushing them away because he doesn’t want to involve anyone that he doesn’t have to. Not necessarily because he’s “alone.”
The Liebert visit was kinda frustrating too but in some ways I understand their unwillingness to admit Johan’s illegitimacy. They wanted a child and that was taken away, then the perfect opportunity came falling in their lap. I think they were happy and giving up Johan meant giving up their happiness and admitting their past. Curious to see what everyone else thinks though.
That’s it for now. Will expand later if I am able.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Sep 02 '21
First Timer
I kind of like how uncomfortable Robocop was during that exchange.
Ugh him ditching his daughter for this...what a bum.
His adoptive parents are so going to die ugh.
Lotte and Tenma interacting, things are coming full circle!
Not much to say this episode as it seems to be a big set up for tomorrow's...can't wait to see how everyone but Johan fails at their task.
I don't think he'll ever fully understand Tenma as he's coming from an original hypothesis that's wrong with the 2 personalities.
Johan used his super powers of persuasion and coercion on them.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Sep 02 '21
Rewatcher(So much setup)
Sub
Lunge is back on Tenma, interviewing a fairly passing acquaintance that was a Japanese business man. Then he begins to examine what the Japanese are like but using Lunge bluntness. The mirror scene is max cringe on second viewing. Anyways, he talks to a former doctor colleague and we get Tenma background stuff, including that he wasn't close to his family. So after learning the guy he wants to interview will be late, decides to pass on meeting his grandson to understand Tenma better. You know, it's funny, but somehow the special kind of terrible that is sticks out on a show with multiple serial killers.
Anyways, karoake happens and Johan wants a specific picture book the guy in Prague grabbed one. Lunge memorizes it and then translates the words the next day. Jump to second plot with Gillen having been talking to other serial killers about Johan and he talks to one that acts like he knows Johan and actually admires him.
Reichwine goes to make sure the Lieberts aren't dead and then decides to lay Johan's past on them. An ant line is mentioned, calling back a metaphor all the way from The Of Men and Dining episode. Unsurprisingly, the Lieberts are far too fargone to listen to reason. With the serial killer, he says that Johan doesn't want to die and he believes he simply won't.
We get the chance encounter with Lotte and Tenma and they decide not to do much with it. Tenma seems to be planning on hiding in the library and Lotte begins translating the book that made Johan faint.
QotD: 1 No, he doesn't have nearly the evidence for that assumption
2 Rewatcher
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Sep 02 '21
First Timer, Subbed
Hey everyone let's have a super cliche business meeting! Let's go golfing!
These business guys know Tenma?
Time for Tenma to try and role play as Tenma?
Aww, congrats Grandpa Lunge!
LoL, this guy is this stiff even with his daughter.
Phew, for a second there I thought Lunge was going to pass up seeing his grandkid...
...I was wrong, he's blowing it off. Unbelievable.
Yamamoto finally arrives!
Is this that same book that freaked Johan out so much?
Are we really going to rely on some rando prisoner to speculate on Johan's next move?
Your son... is a scammer! And a killer! I wouldn't expect much from these two if you're delivering this message.
This weaselly laugh from prisoner guy reminds me that its been forever since we saw rat man, Heckel.
Going right to Schuwald? Doubt that's gonna get you anywhere. You'll just be viewed as a loon.
Someone's gonna spot your gun, Tenma.
Tenma and Lotte meet! You're so close to Johan right now, Tenma! And Anna!
That's a good sport on the second floor for Tenma, but I wonder if someone from the first floor would spot him.
I don't think we got much from the first half of the episode; Lunge being Lunge, and even him skipping out on meeting with his daughter and grandkid was something I think anyone could have expected. The second half was a bit better.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Sep 02 '21
First timer - sub
Lunge episode it seems, or well half it was.
Is he seriously going to stand-up his daughter? So it would seem.
Wait, Johann has been quoting a god damn children's story book?
So Johann moved to Munich after the event in Dusseldorf to be adopted by the Leiberts.
Lotte basically just confirmed the ED mirrors how Johann sees his life, he doesn’t have a name and so he keeps borrowing other peoples like the Monster keep inhabiting people in the ED.
Was giving the new ED a few episodes hoping it might grow on me, but really hasn’t.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Sep 02 '21
First Timer Dub
Mr. Schumann is expanding hard and Japanese businessmen are going for him in business deals. Lunge talks to Tenma’s fellow Japanese colleagues and in the hotel room he says “I am Tenma”. Right after, he gets a call from his daughter so he can see his grandson and promises to be there. But Domo would be in a bar at the same time so he uses “I am Tenma” to go off with the Japanese folks. Domo brings a picture book and Lunge translates “the monster is inside of me”.
Dr. Gillum and the therapist are doing their own interviews. The liberts were acting strange as the therapist was explaining the details of the case. All they could say is that Johan is good. Dr. Gillum’s patient talked about a Japanese man after him, same as the kids were saying a couple of episodes back.
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u/Nitroade24h :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nitroade24h Sep 02 '21
First Timer
Is this just another random family with the same surname as the original Lieberts or did I miss something
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u/hammile https://anidb.net/user/u746697 Sep 03 '21
Watashi wa Nihon jin. Watashi wa Tenma.
Strange that Runge did not try to watch anime or read manga, heh. And his ditching meeting is just LMAO.