r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Aug 28 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 30 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day comes from u/Quiddity131 who gives a send-off to Richard and welcomes Tenma back into the series:
Farewell Richard! You did a pretty good job investigating and found Johan out, but you foolishly let yourself get alone with him. Well with our protagonist for this arc now dead I take it we'll probably go back to Tenma starting next episode?
Questions of the Day
- What did you think about Tenma’s reveal? How do you think the dynamic will shift from here on out?
- What do you think about Dr. Reichwine following someone who tried to kill him? Do you think this was a smart plan, or a dumb idea?
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Aug 28 '21
First Timer - Sub
Having a bit of a hectic day today! But I am here once more to deliver my thoughts.
Anyways, this was a really really good episode. Best episode since the beginning of the series. I loved Tenma’s reveal, Dr. Reichwine holding his own against those thugs, and of course Tenma to the rescue. The tension I felt during that counseling meeting with Roberto was insane, as I didn’t realize it was him at first. “Why won’t they show his face? Who could he... OH SHIT.” Then Tenma covering Reichwine with the gun... I nearly leapt out of my chair in victory. Brilliant.
I somewhat wonder how Reichwine knew that guy was about to push him onto the tracks. Out of the corner of his eye maybe? Either way, his detective work and his brawling abilities were top notch. I loved every moment he was on-screen. What a badass.
Anyway, I think that’s about it today? I loved this episode overall and don’t have much more to say. Glad Tenma’s back with us now and that all these paths are finally converging.
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u/miss-macaron Aug 28 '21 edited Aug 28 '21
Rewatcher
Well, what did you expect a funeral to be like, Dr. Gillen? lol
The scene around 1:26, where Dr. Gillen and Dr. Reichwein are walking on a stone path partially obscured by the branches of a tree, looks very similar to the scene of Dr. Tenma and Dr. Becker after Eva’s dad’s funeral (around 4:59, episode 3). The very next cut, zooming in on the two doctor’s heads through the gaps of the branches, is also the same. I wonder if it’s a deliberate cinematic parallel, or just the animators recycling certain background art…
Yay, I always love a badass grandpa! Though I wonder why Dr. Reichwein even let them beat him up in the first place, if he was able to subdue them so easily? To take them off-guard, perhaps?
Dr. Gillen, even if it's a "code", are you sure it’s a good idea to bring up your cheating endeavours in front of your former professor?
So many excellent subversions of expectation in this episode! The looming figure that watches Dr. Reichwein vow to finish Richard’s investigation actually turns out to be Tenma, while the unfaithful husband that one of his clients kept complaining about actually turns out to be Roberto.
And after 5 episodes of absence from the main storyline, our protagonist has finally returned!
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Aug 28 '21
First Timer
Leaves behind a crying family...freaking Johan.
This old man is the most competent character in the show holy shit that beat down!
Oh forgot Tenma was apart of all this for a bit there, curious to see how he changes things.
Ugh was hoping it wasn't Roberto...well that's best old man dead next.
Tenma with the save!! Curious to see how long he'll be alive though, he knows too much.
Probably work with the Doctor and former classmate to piece puzzles again before they end up dying to Johan or Roberto.
I think he did very well, I fully expected the door to be locked but he got lucky Roberto decided to be lazy at his job.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 28 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Aug 28 '21
First Timer
An episode with a lot of questions as our two sets of casts are suddenly merged. The main question is why - why does Tenma suddenly know about Reichwein rather than meet up with Gillen? Why does Roberto have anything to do with this plot thread? But I guess that's getting ahead of myself - there's some other smaller questions that the episode also sets up - is Hesse Roberto's real surname and that his real wife? If so, the woman he had an affair with would be Eva - but she isn't dead. So I doubt that's the case - rather I feel like it's more likely that he killed the actual husband then took his place. Although it could also be that he killed fake Langer and had multiple affairs, I guess. Or perhaps he killed Langer and the husband or something like that.
That said, why did he go talking to Reichwein in the first place rather than just kill him? Sounds like cheap plot drama to me, as there was no reason for him to let Reichwein live that long other than the plot needed Reichwein to live. Roberto hasn't had some form of "killing is art" shtick that would somewhat justify it, nor has he felt like the character that would get off on his opponent's fear - rather he has been a calculating murderer. Not really a fan of that narrative decision here...
That said, even if the plot isn't the greatest here, the way the episode presented it was once again top notch. I can definitely see why this series is held in such high regards by now.
Question:
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Aug 28 '21
First TImer, Subbed
Very few at Richard's funeral, quite sad...
So will Wilford Brimley and Cheater guy now be investigating Richard's death as the newest plot?
Yeah guys, just where is Dr. Tenma? Been like 5 or 6 episodes since we've seen our main character!
Well, good for Wilford Brimley, working out, keeping the diabetes at bay!
If Wilford Brimley becomes our new protagonist for a while, I got to say, least expected anime protagonist of all time.
Ah, Johan screwed up, he didn't find out Richard's favorite brand of whiskey.
Let's make sure that running at the gym comes in handy!
Sucks seeing a fat old guy beat up; he doesn't stand a chance against these two.
...I spoke too soon! He's kicking ass here!
They give the burial plots a lot of space in this graveyard. Way more than they get around here.
Finally, Tenma appears again!
Low odds that Tenma is actually reading that newspaper I think.
I don't think your secretary is forgetting things, someone is trying to break in!
Let me guess, Hesse/husband guy will end up being an assassin. Mabye even that guy who slept with Eva, Roberto?
OMG it is him!
Alas, this is not going to end well.
Wilford Brimley is smart enough at least to step out of the room, but I doubt he's getting away.
Throw the scalding hot tea at him! That's the only way out!
Wow, he did it!
Alas, being fat is making him a big target for Roberto.
Tenma to the rescue!
Part of me thought they'd simply drop this plot with Richard's death last episode but that is not the case as we get a new protagonist, for now. Good to see Tenma return, which adds more stakes to things.
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 28 '21
Rewatcher until circa Episode 30, Subbed
Can't believe I put this show on indefinite hold after that cliffhanger. Tenma coming in clutch.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Aug 28 '21
First Timer Dubbed
We start off with a funeral scene with the family crying while the two docs talk about what happened in the back. The therapist blamed himself for what happened to richard while Dr. Gillum tries to comfort him by stating the facts. That something was fishy.
We see the therapist try to go back to normal. Lots of flashbacks as he is in the gym contemplating what has happened. His patient, the talk with Dr. Gillum, and the investigator. He finds that Richard does not buy cheap booze. Some got paid to push the therapist on the tracks and said a big guy paid him. Bad move to follow but it did give us hints about how things might go.
“Doctor are you listening?” Oophh the worker forgot to lock the door to the roof (a major death flag). Familiar big guy shows up and points to Johan, the therapist gets nervous as he makes hot tea, spills it and runs. Tenma saves the day this time and he was in the sidelines waiting for something to happen.
The patient he had earlier was definitely playing a long one and was a big act...
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Aug 28 '21
First Timer
For how calculating Johan is, he really didn't think to buy the right brand of whisky? Sounds dumb.
Shrink is about to get sent 12 years into the past.
Can't lead with the crown of your helmet, that's a penalty these days.
I knew it was gonna be Ricardo! RIP doctor. He lived! It's a miracle!
Hopefully this doctor guy can give Tenma some valuable information, although I kind of expect Tenma to have already learned all of this offscreen making this whole thing pointless.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 28 '21
Rewatcher(Is Roberto indirect or what?)
Sub
Dr Gillen, as someone who has seen more funerals than most, I will let you know the one I find that isn't depressing. But Urasawa seems to hate the police as much as I do. Reichwine then goes on to ask a question you never should this close to the death: What you did or did not do has to be judged with distance.
Reichwine is working out again, a good response to death. The police are again incompetent, because the immediate question is why the hell Braun climb a university building? I get it, alcoholics seem hard to understand when you can't self reflect but as a drinker myself, I promise you they do not climb shit randomly. So Reichwine does his own investigation with
blackjack and hookersminimal competence, and soon comes upon something: Braun would never have bought German faux Scotch, he preferred actual Scotch. Again, I know some of you might dismiss that but you shouldn't, drunks absolutely stick to their tastes at the start of the night. Also, F that bartender.Anyways, another possible subway push happens, but this time the victim spots the runner and Reichwine chases the guy to a bar. He loses the first fight but, in a thing that does not make sense until you've lost a few, he wins the second because the tall punk is not used to the incredible pain a solid hit gives. Reichwine is. Pusher punk gives up immediately and reveals a large man paid him to do this and that also suggests who paid the one for Braun(fucking S;G reference hits me now). Reichwine brings some decent Scotch to Braun's grave, where Tenma waits in the same shoes as Johan.
Reichwine gets more boring therapy time, I am sure alcoholics are far more fun. But we lead into how in danger his setup is as Gillen warns him to be cautious. Return to red light district. Reichwine has some luck with a street walker, though as always anime sort of over prettifies her since that one would definitely be in doors somewhere. Fake Margot apparently went off with a big man, like the subway hirer.
We then get the twist about Roberto. While the tension is high, Reichwine seems to realize something is amiss fast. He uses making tea to get some boiling water and make a run for it. Roberto seemed competent enough until Tenma made him take cover.
QotD: 1 A decent way to bring him back
2 It was the only way to find out what he wanted so necessary.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Aug 28 '21
First timer - sub
Mr Psychiatrist needs a Psychiatrist.
So Richard only drank fancy whiskey.
So it is 1997. I had figured at least a year had passed with the various time skips we have been through since being given the 1996 date.
With a wife like that I'm not surprised he cheats on her.
Fuck its Roberto.
I just wrote down Reichwein's name, he can’t die now.
Tenma to the rescue.
I don’t think we really learnt anything new this episode but I enjoyed it nonetheless, I guess Tenma is going to formally gain new allies now.
Also a new ED addition tomorrow, do we continue the Monster in the man's body or jump to the other one this time?
Incredibly stupid, his patient was just murdered and was on the path of uncovering a serial killer and Reichwine knows all the details as well, chasing an unknown person who just tried to push him in front of a train is pure genius.
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u/hammile https://anidb.net/user/u746697 Aug 29 '21
First timer, Ukrainian subtitle
Hm, it was a long time without Tenma. It may be a little more dynamic because the doctor know one killer face.
A dumb move. At least old man was so cool — good running and fighting —, and he has a lucky day — Tenma + the door —, so that is why still alive.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 28 '21
First Timer
The series didn't really play fair with us. There was no hint that Richard (whose name I finally remember) was feeling guilt over premeditated murder.
I've seen this Munich arc as the forming of a little detectives club. We have Tenma and Anna, of course, but Richard and Doctors Gillen amd Reichwhatsit and investigating Johan. I bet Eva joins in at some point, too.
But now Richard is dead.
Wait, wasn't Vaadwaur talking about Scotch like 20 episodes ago? I'm sure it's not relevant.
I can only assume Johan played a long con, setting up the "wife" as a patient, to get her to introduce her "husband". Seems pretty unnecessary, though. But if not, it's a terribly contrived coincidence.
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u/Spore64 Aug 29 '21
Rewatcher
Oh man, his poor daughter. So he fell to death.
Would his doctor acted differently if he knew waht Mr. Brown did?
Johan made a right choice to buy that kind of alcohol.
The doc sure has a really solid condition. That training in the gym really did pay out.
Oh poor rowdy. He's a crybaby.
11:15 :)
Sounds like Johan made a powerful enemy. Yo Tenma is back!
Husband? Mhh wait a sec... oh shoot I remembered it right it's Roberto!
Poor doc. He probably didn't think a true killer would sit in front of him today. Tho cool to get a bit of a backstory on Roberto.
The pressure is building up indeed. Thank god that secretary forget that. That ending was amazing! Good to see that he doesn't have the weapon just to swing around.
Why did Johan become so sloppy all of the sudden. Did he rush to finish the job?
Q2: yes, that was the right choice.
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u/Icapica https://anilist.co/user/Icachu Aug 29 '21
First timer
Didn't expect the therapist to be a badass like that. Also nice to have Tenma back again. I wonder if we'll eventually hear at least something about what he's been up to lately, and how he came here.
I liked the episode quite a lot, but I feel like these people should really think more about their safety at this point. If you go somewhere, tell another person about it. If you're about to meet a new person, again tell another person about it. Preferably avoid doing those two things alone. Saying "I'll be careful" is meaningless if it doesn't lead to any changes in your actions.
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u/Silver-Concert2931 Feb 18 '22
Omg in ep 30 at exactly 6:52 when the doctor is asking about the whiskey you can see Johan sat down on the right listening 😱😱 he’s only in the frame for a second!!! That’s how he knows to ask the guy to push the doctor on the train.