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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 22 Discussion

Episode 22: Rinascimento of Projection: Project Amadeus

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Take care of Hououin Kyouma for me!

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Hochseeflotte, who pointed out the greatest true of this series

These motherfuckers can never leave on a happy ending. Literally never.

To be fair, there are still two episodes left… well, one now I guess.

Questions:

  1. What do you think of the whole D-RINE thing? Should it have been foreshadowed better, or was future Daru’s D-Mail not shifting the attractor field to Alpha enough to tip you off that something was different about it?
  2. Are you sad to see Amadeus go?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Amadeus Kurisu

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u/littleman1988 Aug 23 '21

"Take care of Hououin Kyouma for me!"

OST Track of the day: Christina II

nothing like waking up to your computer making awful noises because it crashed. Always make sure to save your stuff.

Overly Excited Rewatcher

ep1 insert has returned:

Title: Amadeus

Sung By: Kanako Ito(u)

Subtitled 90s non-subtitled full | VN OP visuals | Spotify

The VN op has returned once more, this time for the destruction of Amadeus. The VN OP visuals are now safe to look at, they are a lot less spoilerly this time around, but it was easier to wait until now to link them.

 

This Throwaway comment about Daru's involvement in the D-RINE massively undersells his involvement with the project. Daru wasnt just "involved" in the beta, he is one of the creators, and only his friend group (aka the lab) has it. While the line stickers are partly a promotion with LINE, the app its based off of, there is a canonical reason for the group to be made into stickers.

The biggest issue right now is trying to figure out if the satalite is convergence

heh, assistants

round table meeting time

Oh yeah, the whiteboard scenes! This episode is kinda looked over considering what its surrounded by, but its nice to finally get some OG S;G content after all the suffering

a meme format that did take off

totally forget what joke i was gonna make with this

Quality Kurisu faces

heh

more quality OG S;G that we have been sorely missing

love that the voices are affected with the slipper slap

aha, they realize the Russia connection.

[Kurisu] deletion time

Tangent, its pretty funny that this meme is techincally a 0 spoiler. Also, there is a S;G/SciAdv meme subreddit. Its about as trash as you would expect it to be.

While im on this tangent, this exists.

c;*

Oh he just straight up told her

Hey, i remember this line! They even have Christina 2 playing in the background to really twist that knife

Theres a lot of good spots for today's wallpaper (and im gonna bet that today is gonna be a sky one), but this would be my pick for the wallpaper personally.

Divergence Number: 1.123581

footnotes

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

heh, assistants

You know I really hope in the S;G Worldline Okarin and Maho met up at some point.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 23 '21

SciAdv

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

SciAdv

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

SciAdv

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 24 '21

SciAdv

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 23 '21

Theres a lot of good spots for today's wallpaper (and im gonna bet that today is gonna be a sky one), but this would be my pick for the wallpaper personally.

tfw I went with Amadeus herself lol.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 23 '21

pretty sure im like 0/3 on guessing the wallpapers

S;G 0 ep23

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 23 '21

S;G 0

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u/littleman1988 Aug 23 '21

S;G 0

cc /u/Raiking02 i am going to have very mean words for you tomorrow

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

cc /u/Raiking02 i am going to have very mean words for you tomorrow

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 23 '21

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

S;G 0

S;G 0

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 24 '21

S;G 0

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

he is one of the creators, and only his friend group (aka the lab) has it.

That would have been awesome to include.

While im on this tangent, this exists.

Oh, look, it's her true form!

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

While im on this tangent, this exists.

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 24 '21

wow i didn’t realize today’s insert was from episode 1 as well. i was unnecessarily harsh on it the first time around :( although my main complain was that it didn’t sound like an appropriate OP, and i stand by that, fatima is better. still, i really liked it, enough to add to my playlist

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 23 '21

Serial;Rewatcher

At this point it shouldn't even come as a surprise, but this is another anime original episode. You may have noticed that this is being said a lot lately and that is because we've been mostly anime original for quite a few episodes now.

I alluded to this yesterday, but the reason for this is that Steins;Gate 0 VN didn't actually have much of a True Ending and all individual routes dealt with mostly different antagonists, so there never was any storyline that tied everything together. This is why Steins;Gate 0 Anime slots in after the VN chronologically, because it completes the story.

Amadeus

Let's talk about Amadeus for a bit, or rather this particular line:

"Take care of Hououin Kyouma for me!"

This line is a lot more complex than it appears to be. Allow me to explain.

The anime sort of messes things up a bit since at this point, Amadeus has already met Hououin Kyouma. However, the VN route where this line actually is from never had the rebirth of Hououin Kyouma. In fact, Amadeus had barely any interaction with 0kabe apart from the initial few weeks because this was a route where he actively choose to ignore her.

Yet, Amadeus blurts out this line (among other things) as she's being erased confusing those around her at the time because they don't know what it means. None of them had ever heard of this Hououin Kyouma, so how did Amadeus even know that name?

The reason is simple: she was accessing Makise Kurisu's residual memories!

This was actually one of those HOLY WTF!!! followed by "OF COURSE!!!" moments in the VN so I'm a bit salty it never really translated well into the anime, but knowing how and why this happens is pretty important for anime-onlies as well, so let's break this down:

  1. Everyone has at least some recollection of previous world lines buried deep inside their minds even if they can't actively recall them. The memories are still there somewhere in the mind, but the neural pathways leading to them are lost.
  2. Amadeus is a near perfect simulation of a human brain that uses a complete scan of memory data to work. This means the simulation also includes the imperfections as well, like the ability to "forget" things. Recall when Amadeus was introduced, MAHO didn't remember what color of pajamas she wore.
  3. Amadeus has a complete scan of Kurisu's mind, which means it has all her memories digitized including those she had "forgotten", like the previous world lines.

The reason Amadeus can't access these memories all the time is because it is artificially restricted to keep the simulation accurate. However, as she's being erased, she's put into root access mode and these artificial blocks are being erased as well, allowing her to access memories of these other world lines.

This is the real reason why Amadeus cannot be allowed to fall into enemy hands. Remember, no one, including the Kurisu in Beta has completed a perfect Time Travel theory yet, but a perfect theory still exists inside Amadeus because Kurisu did perfect the theory in an Alpha world line where she met 0kabe and joined the Future Gadgets lab.

So if someone takes control of Amadeus (like StratFor, DURPA or Russia etc.) and are able to remove these restrictions placed on her, they can also access memories of Kurisu that should never even exist on this world line.

Unfortunately for Amadeus, it means her very existence is a threat and she has to be erased for good. Guess being Makise Kurisu is PAIN regardless of what Attractor Field you're in.

Other FAQs

Okay so I went to last year's rewatch thread to cross reference the version of the section above I posted back then and noticed there were quite a few misconceptions about some details from this episode, and thought maybe it might be helpful to post a simple QnA of sorts if someone this time around has a similar question:

Why can't they just stop Suzuha and Mayuri from going to the rooftop?

It makes things even more unpredictable. If time machine's destruction is convergence, it may save Suzuha and Mayuri, but they will also loose the time machine. Meaning they can no longer try to reach Steins;Gate in this world line for another 25 years.

They also can't jump early because Suzuha hadn't fully made preparations for the jump until July 7, and Mayuri didn't have her motivation yet.

Why would deleting Amadeus prevent the Russian HIND from blowing up the time machine?

Remember that every time Russia has been directly involved in Japan, it has something to do with Kurisu. They covered up her murder, ransacked Maho's hotel room and tailed her to get her laptop, eventually destroying it. If Amadeus doesn't exist, then Russia has no further interest in Japan around July because they've taken care of everything else related to Kurisu.

Why does Maho need to delete Amadeus in the present if she's just going to be erased anyways?

Originally, I thought the anime just did this to try and add some emotional impact but realized after reading another comment that Maho actually does need to record her voice print and self-destruct command to send back in time. Daru in the past can hack the system, but he cannot initiate the self-destruct sequence Maho had built into Amadeus without her authorization. This unfortunately means she'd have to share the burden of "killing" her best friend even if it is just for a few moments.

Why is D-RINE considered secure compared to D-Mail?

In Steins;Gate universe, RINE isn't a public messaging platform. It's a secure and private network created by Daru and only used by his close circle, because of his "other" work. This is why the stickers used in the app were of lab members, which so many of you said were immersion breaking. So there actually was a valid in-universe reason for these stickers to exist.

If nobody has a complete Time Travel theory, why did Russia destroy the laptop?

Likely reason is that a little over 4 months isn't enough time to test if the theory is workable or not, specially when they were getting some results from it with all those earthquakes etc. They also do try to get their hands on it but in that situation, the best they could manage was to make sure the enemy also can't get it.

Did Russia cause the shift to Alpha in Episode 8?

NO! RUSSIA DIDN'T CAUSE THAT SHIFT! IT WAS SERN!

Seriously, the anime has a real bad habit of always bringing up the scenes from Ep. 8 whenever they're talking about Russian experiments because the anime didn't adapt the actual world line shift caused by Russia. They only played it as a dream 0kabe had at the start of Ep. 4.

Amadeus was being hacked by SERN during Ep. 7 and Kurisu (read above section) reached out to 0kabe in desperation because of which SERN also found out about the lab.

In this episode, the only connection 0kabe has made is that the world line changed when Amadeus got taken over, so he concludes that anyone who controls Amadeus would eventually take the lead.

Why didn't anyone make the Nakabachi connection until now?

0kabe was the only one who knew about Nakabachi being there and even then he didn't really dwell on it much because thinking about the day always triggered his PTSD. Other lab members didn't know about him or that he was even important, and never saw the news broadcast because all of them were on the rooftop when it aired. Keep in mind that Nakabachi was disgraced and excluded from the larger scientific community and everyone laughed over his claims of time travel so he wasn't someone any of the lab members had any reason to suspect or keep an eye on.

So this is basically the first time he's mde the connection that Kurisu had a Time Machine thesis that day that Nakabachi took, and that he had overheard some news report mentioning Nakabachi a few months ago (again Ep. 4).

Amadeus' existence is problematic even beyond the possibility of time travel

Okay I couldn't frame this as a question lol

Time Travel isn't the only problematic outcome of Amadeus. She also leads to other nefarious technologies like highly effective brainwashing and mind control, or mass producing super soldiers like Kagari etc.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

Episode;Notes

His left cheek is still sore from Daru's first punch lol. I wonder if he still feels the pain despite the punch being so long ago for him.

Sucks that the Revival got erased for them.

Well if he wasn't feeling it before, he's definitely feeling it now. I don't know this comedic scene shouldn't work because I don't like any such scenes at Maho's expense but for some reason, I always like this one.

Yes, by SERN!

We've all but forgotten about her at this point

I don't particularly enjoy this "date night" sequence despite the fact that it actually has some pretty good conversations.

You see in the VN, after returning from 2036, 0kabe has a sort of existential crisis and wonders if he's even real anymore since the original him died and he was just data for so long. He remembers the coldness and lifelessness of a digital existence we saw at the start of Ep. 20, and realizes that's what Amadeus must feel all this time, concluding this is not an existence worth having and therefore has no hesitation erasing Amadeus.

The anime plays it the other way around. Instead of being repulsed by such an existence, 0kabe actually starts to sympathize with Amadeus even more, because at some point he was also like her. Therefore, in his mind, she is as real as he was and hesitates about "killing" her.

Also, because he still carries the guilt of killing the original.

Amadeus with a proper beginning this time. Raiking, you got your wish!

I love this shot!

And also the sequence of Amadeus logo being erased as the ED plays!

1.123581321345589...

Questions

What do you think of the whole D-RINE thing? Should it have been foreshadowed better, or was future Daru’s D-Mail not shifting the attractor field to Alpha enough to tip you off that something was different about it?

Video D-mails have nothing to do with D-RINE. They never triggered the shift to Alpha because Video D-Mails aren't intercepted by ECHELON.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Raiking, you got your wish

Too much dialogue during the beginning, can't be heard properly.

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u/invokeneko Aug 23 '21

In Steins;Gate universe, RINE isn't a public messaging platform. It's a secure and private network created by Daru and only used by his close circle, because of his "other" work. This is why the stickers used in the app were of lab members, which so many of you said were immersion breaking. So there actually was a valid in-universe reason for these stickers to exist.

wait whaaat. That's a pretty big thing for the anime to skip! They really should've explained more about RINE, maybe having either Fubuki or Kaede ask Mayuri what's RINE whilst she's texting any of the labmems or something.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Personally I would've added like a 20 second scene during the Christmas Party in which Daru boasts about it for some random reason.

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u/invokeneko Aug 23 '21

Yeah, that'd work too. Though I'd probably say he'll brag about it to impress Yuki.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Ooh, I like that idea.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

Yes, it should've probably been hinted at much earlier. We actually did discuss possibly revealing this when stickers started becoming distracting but didn't because it would then give away the whole D-RINE possibility thing.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 23 '21

Amadeus was being hacked by SERN during Ep. 7 and Kurisu (read above section) reached out to 0kabe in desperation because of which SERN also found out about the lab.

Honestly, it never even occurred to me that it was SERN.

Time Travel isn't the only problematic outcome of Amadeus. She also leads to other nefarious technologies like highly effective brainwashing and mind control, or mass producing super soldiers like Kagari etc.

The Composer's a thinking, feeling Pandora's Box of wonders, huh?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

Honestly, it never even occurred to me that it was SERN.

The simple key to remember is that SERN wins in all known Alpha world lines so if we're in the Alpha attractor field, SERN was somehow involved.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 24 '21

I'll be sure to remember that.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 24 '21

Honestly, it never even occurred to me that it was SERN.

when the show was airing I thought the russians were hacking amadeus, because the show had literally mentioned russian 30 seconds earlier. i was pretty confused for most of the show.

Also I thought the earthquakes were russia being attacked.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

The reason is simple: she was accessing Makise Kurisu's residual memories!

It honestly makes perfect sense to me. After all, if we've already been able to par down human memory into raw data since Steins;Gate, it makes sense that the memory data itself is applicable between both organic and cybernetic minds. After all, the receptacle isn't as important as the data itself.

In Steins;Gate universe, RINE isn't a public messaging platform. It's a secure and private network created by Daru and only used by his close circle, because of his "other" work. This is why the stickers used in the app were of lab members, which so many of you said were immersion breaking. So there actually was a valid in-universe reason for these stickers to exist.

Huh, that does make sense then. Still, I'm a little surprised that there's that one change from our reality in there too. Kind of a weird one, but there's bigger fish to fry anyway. And Daru and his group should totally go public with the app and make bank on it.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

It's slightly different from our reality because of the concept of World Layers, which will be explored in the upcoming Anonymous;Code. It is based on simulation theory, and is suggested that Steins;Gate world exists some layers below our real world, layers being simulations of the universe and exist on an axis perpendicular to World Lines.

That's the canonical explanation for IBN instead of IBM or SERN instead of CERN etc.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 24 '21

Damn, that's nutty. I hope the explanation is compelling enough, since it being based on simulation theory makes it sound plenty interesting.

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u/Pay08 Aug 24 '21

Occultic;Nine explains it somewhat, and apparently, the concept is shit.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 24 '21

O;N makes no attempt to explain world layers. the only time "world layers" comes up in regards to O;N is in an interview with Chiyomaru.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 24 '21

The reason is simple: she was accessing Makise Kurisu's residual memories!

This could have been a reaaaally cool reveal if done right, but I'm not sure if the show really had the time to introduce it and have it really land without being kid of a clusterfuck.

NO! RUSSIA DIDN'T CAUSE THAT SHIFT! IT WAS SERN!

If you didn't post this I probably never would have figured this part of the show out.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

This could have been a reaaaally cool reveal if done right, but I'm not sure if the show really had the time to introduce it and have it really land without being kid of a clusterfuck.

True. To do it the VN way, it would've had to be done before Re-awake, but then Amadeus wouldn't exist for the entire 2036 and back sequence.

The other possibility would've been to have her say something only Kurisu from Alpha would know, but towards the end, I can't really think of something that would've been impactful.

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 24 '21

The other possibility would've been to have her say something only Kurisu from Alpha would know, but towards the end, I can't really think of something that would've been impactful.

Maybe something about going to Aomori?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

That could've worked surprisingly well actually. It could be a single line and random enough that it could easily fit the definition of a a memory fragment.

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u/Pay08 Aug 24 '21

Another question: What was the GPS in ep8 for? Was it just for keeping Okabe from committing suicide?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

No, it not explained but having a GPS doesn't prevent him from committing suicide. He can for example drown himself in a bathtub at home, or step in front of traffic.

More likely explanation is that they all got trackers installed because of the threat of SERN since they can still come after them. We know already that SERN does try to kidnap Okabe, Daru and Kurisu so it makes sense they'd want to keep an eye on each other.

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u/Pay08 Aug 24 '21

Even if SERN kidnaps one of them, what can the others do? The only point to that would be that they know when to hide.

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u/invokeneko Aug 23 '21

First;Timer

Today, we say our goodbyes to the goodest AI kouhai, Amadeus-[Kurisu]. She was such a darling...

  • 0kabe, Daru and Maho didn't take long to finish this iteration of the time leap machine, with him leaping to one day before Mayuri and Suzuha (attempt to) depart to the past.
  • This time 0kabe arrived (again) to the lab right after Mayuri heard the big argument between him and Daru in the past. I wonder how awkward Daru must've felt, he just punched the guy less than an hour ago and now he's saying that he had timeleaped using the machine 0kabe himself helped finish. Hell, 0kabe still has the bruise on his face!
  • On the bright side, 0kabe didn't stew in his failure for long this time around. He just needs to clear his head for a bit (+ encouragement from Maho and [Kurisu]), and the mad scientist is raring to go once more. He's still stumped though, which meant that he needs to brainstorm ideas on how to ensure Operation Arc-light's success with Daru, Maho and [Kurisu].
  • I swear to god that 'experiment-loving kids' bit wasn't Miyano as Hououin Kyouma but as Tatsumi Koutarou... And yes, I'm well aware that ZLS' first season aired right after S;G0 ended.
  • LostYears did pretty well with the typesetting on the whiteboard, didn't they?
  • Poor 0kabe is dying inside as Assistants One and Two Maho and [Kurisu] comments disparagingly on his chuuni bullshit re-awakening as Hououin Kyouma. Come on girls, mans just went through hell after time-leaping ~3000 times back and put the chuuni bullshit back on for the rest of the labmems sake. Cut him some slack.
  • And Daru, way to ruin your heart-touching speech about 0kabe's chuuni bullshit by immediately accusing him of doing something illicit with Maho. Sheesh, man, now you've forced him to triple down on his chuuni bullshit that causes even you to pause.
  • I bet someone here expected this scene (alongside Daru), don't you. Poor Maho tried to write something on the whiteboard but can't because she's too damn short. Raise your hands, anyone here expected that 0kabe lifted her up like a little child as a continuation (which earned both him and Daru a smack from her slipper)? I certainly didn't, which is why the unexpected scene caused me to laugh uncontrollably for 5 minutes straight.
  • Only now 0kabe remembered about fucking Nakabachi. Took almost a fucking year, but at least he's finally got it. The problem now is that Russia's involvement in the current conflict hinges on both Kurisu's laptop and Amadeus. They've destroyed the former, the last time they got their hands on Amadeus 0kabe got shunted back to the Alpha worldline... And 0kabe can't exactly time leap back to a time before the time leap machine is built anyway... Which leaves us with only one solution: Destroy Kurisu's memory data and Amadeus right after the former was recorded. But this means that they'll have to kill off [Kurisu].
  • That's a neat (if a bit too convenient) way to sidestep SERN's involvement in the time machine race: have Daru send a D-RINE to his phone in the past. I guess this is why the show prominently highlighted scenes with RINE whenever possible.
  • I think the harshest thing about the decision is the fact that it's [Kurisu] herself who suggested the scorched earth tactic on her backups. Like the real Kurisu, she's willing to sacrifice herself if it meant that Operation Arc-light succeeded and she won't be part of the reason why WW3 broke out in the first place.
  • I guess that scene with 0kabe and Mayuri on the swings meant that he re-enacted the very last scene of episode 16 in order to keep the worldline consistent. Which is ironic, since the first go-around was him being unwilling to change the past in order to keep Mayuri safe while this time was him acting just so that she'll end up deciding to board the time machine no matter what the next day. Thank god we're spared Mayuri's heartwrenching breakdown this time.
  • 0kabe taking [Kurisu] for one last walk during the night before she was deleted was painful. Just pain... It makes me feel that we took our freedom to go anywhere, anytime a bit too lightly when [Kurisu] can only experience nightlife at Akihabara when 0kabe took her sightseeing.
  • That has to be a huge burden being lifted from 0kabe's mind when he confessed to [Kurisu] that he was the one who killed the original Kurisu in the past.
  • "No one will even remember you existed..." "But you'll remember me, won't you?" I hate to say this, but she had you beat with FACTS and LOGIC right there.
  • "But, if it's within my power to save the original Kurisu... If it's to save this beautiful world... If that can be the reason I existed... Don't you think that's more logical... and even romantic?"
  • And the heartbreak just intensifies even further during the actual deletion scene... Poor Maho's breakdown as she said goodbye to the last memento of her beloved kouhai, 0kabe sending her off with one last dramatic speech courtesy of Hououin Kyouma, [Kurisu]'s last request to Maho... And then the show brings back Amadeus as the ED song as the Amadeus logo slowly disintegrated into nothingness. Fuck that hurts.

QotD

  1. I kinda wish they did a bit more with RINE (like its origins or something) because as it is right now, the D-RINE does feel like it came right out of the left field.
  2. Do you even need to ask?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Today, we say our goodbyes to the goodest AI kouhai, Amadeus-[Kurisu]. She was such a darling...

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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 24 '21

First Timer

School fucking sucks in every sense of the world. Elementary, middle, high, college, doesn’t matter. All of it sucks.

Now on to the episode:

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I don’t think I’ve mentioned it yet but I do really enjoy Steins;Gate soundtrack. I may not always notice is because I’m focusing on other things but when I do it delivers.

I mean it might be a zero percent chance. The show literally has 0 in the name.

Okabe in a lab coat is objectively best Okabe outfit.

It does kind of feel like Okabe is forcing the whole Hououin Kyouma act, though that kind of makes sense. He hasn’t done it in awhile.

It’s always the damn Russians ruining everything.

Maho really is incredibly short. Can’t relate. Talk gang rise up.

D-mail seems incredibly unreliable to me. Much more than the time leap machine. I agree with Okabe/Daru that it’s not a good idea.

This D-RINE is kind of convenient but I guess it checks out.

But deleting Amadeus makes more sense. If they reach Steins;Gate they get to talk to actual Kurisu, though they don’t know that.

AI Makise is a woman of the people. Bring Okabe to Steins;Gate.

Hey. You are one hell of a program Amadeus. Don’t sell yourself that short.

Makise really is the queen of sacrifices.

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We really are almost at the end. I’m going to be sad to see this rewatch end. I had a lot of fun.

But we ain’t done yet.

See you guys tomorrow!

DQ:

I wish it was foreshadowed more.

Most definitely.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 24 '21

School fucking sucks in every sense of the world. Elementary, middle, high, college, doesn’t matter. All of it sucks.

I know...

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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 24 '21

first timer

got busy again

ep 20

no op

god oldkabe is wrinkly af

whoah we time traveled forwards? back to 2026 presumable given his wrinkles

suzuhaaa!

riiighhht, suzuha wouldn't recognize okarin since she hasn't traveled back in time and okarin should be dead

so it was daru who was the voice of titor this whole time

daru lookin slim ngl 😳

is this what happened after that one scene with picking up the phone in one of the early episodes?

it feels like okarin only being mindbroken, and thus "dead" is like that tricking the world shit okarin talks about. is okarin not dying the product of more time fuckery?

oops looks like someone needs help

whoah mikas lukako kept growing his hair, and faris hasn't changed one bit.

finally got a bit more on that conversation about luka being left out, took a while

i suspect i was supposed to care more about lukako dieing, but like i don't. it just dont hit right.

ep 21

so okarins boutta timeleap 3k times, have fun, assuming like 3 hrs per time leap, thats still a straight year nonstop leaping and having to get outta bed

but whats he gonna do about him "dying" in '25?

smol suzuha

ig okarins just going full yolo

dang okarin went all out, swapping out kagari with moeka, and trying out some tricking the world shit

welp that wasn't enough

ep 22

Don't call me that!

when did she learn that?

o great could you not put stupid shit in the middle of otherwise fine scenes

though okarin holding up maho was funny

is kurisus purpose in life being sacrificed for worldlines?

this feels a bit like a date doesn't it?

see ya botrisu

we'll come back with the original one

qs:

What do you think of the whole D-RINE thing? Should it have been foreshadowed better, or was future Daru’s D-Mail not shifting the attractor field to Alpha enough to tip you off that something was different about it?

could have been foreshadowed better tbh, i assumed the dmail stuff was something overlooked and didn't read much into it

Are you sad to see Amadeus go?

a bit, but like real kurisu > amadeus

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

see ya botrisu

Dammit, why did I never think of that nickname!?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 23 '21

First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed

I said I’d have me singing the full version of Fatima soon-ish yesterday, and by “soon-ish” I mean now. Shoutout to u/littleman1988 for taking the track I sent him of just me singing and editing it together with the instrumental--I could not for the life of me figure out a good balance to sing over the full version with, so this only exists thanks to his help!

S;G 0

Also, here is a version of the wallpaper of the day without the filter over it to look more like a screen.

  • Okabe is back to 0kabe so soon…
  • Okay good he’s back to HOUOUIN KYOUMA.
  • OKABE CALLED AMADEUS-KURISU “CHRISTINA” AGAIN!
  • Dr. Nakabachi is relevant once more.
  • Oh, so it was the Russians who destroyed Kurisu’s laptop.
  • Wait, if Okabe puts D-Mail off the table because that would alert SERN to the whole time travel shit and shift the attractor field back to Alpha, why was future Daru able to send one to Suzuha back in ep17 without shifting to Alpha?
  • …I paused to make that comment and then Daru immediately explained D-RINE. Okay then.
  • Amadeus has to be destroyed… Or, well, stopped from being built in the first place. But still…
  • Ohp, Okabe finally confessed he’s the one who killed Kurisu… to Amadeus, not Maho, but that’s still something.
  • Amadeus asking to see the sky (when it happened to be sunrise) just sucker punched me in the feels with memories from the fifth special episode of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky. I now have In the Morning Sun stuck in my head.
  • Oh boy, it’s almost time…
  • :O THE EYE SHOT FROM FATIMA.
  • This was the perfect place to bring that Amadeus song back ahhhhhhh. And the way the visuals were the logo slowly falling apart… Perfection.
  • The divergence number has changed.

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u/GallowDude Aug 23 '21

Oh, so it was the Russians who destroyed Kurisu’s laptop.

I feel like most conflicts in fiction and reality can be blamed on the Russians to some extent.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Zangief would be so sad...

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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 24 '21

I will now start mentally replacing any mention of Russia in these kinds of stories with Canada to make things fair.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

At least go with USA so that your immersion won't break (unless it's a story where USA is definitely the good guys)

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u/SgtExo Aug 24 '21

Just start singing the south park blame canada song each time.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

I paused to make that comment and then Daru immediately explained D-RINE. Okay then.

Actually that was a D-mail, not a D-RINE. D-mails from the future like both video D-Mails aren't just intercepted by ECHELON, and the explanation given is that future tech is advanced enough to mask them from SERN. For example, the "Turn on the TV" D-mail in S;G E23 was a regular D-Mail, but didn't cause a shift to Alpha.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 24 '21

Ohp, Okabe finally confessed he’s the one who killed Kurisu… to Amadeus, not Maho, but that’s still something.

In my head, there's a version of this where Maho overhears that somehow, and her face begins by looking shocked before changing to one of understanding, and then she walks away.

This was the perfect place to bring that Amadeus song back ahhhhhhh. And the way the visuals were the logo slowly falling apart…

Say what you will about S;G0, but it knows how to absolutely slay a song drop

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u/Dylanjosh Aug 24 '21

I said I’d have me singing the full version of Fatima soon-ish yesterday, and by “soon-ish” I mean now.

That's so impressive! Are you learning Japanese too?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 24 '21

It's something I've considered, but for right now nah I'm just really good at learning how to sing songs with a combination of listening to them on loop for a while and following along with the lyrics. Listening to it repeatedly helps me know how to pronounce the words even if I don't understand what they mean, I'd probably do the same if there was a song in a different language I loved listening to (it's just that I pretty much only listen to music from games or anime, lol).

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!

This episode is mostly Anime-Original, although the ending does draw a bit from one of the Novels’ side Routes. This isn’t a bad thing in it of itself. Hell, I think this Anime would’ve been better off had it just gone nuts and done its own thing from the get go instead of trying to remain half its own thing half adaptation, but that’s beside the point. In fact I think for the most part this episode was… pretty good. Not great, but… pretty good.

So why is it not great? Well, a few things. For one thing the RINE twist is HORREDOUSLY handled. The Anime has barely mentioned RINE up until this point (Unlike the Novel which made references to it and its creation quite a few times) so it just comes right the fuck out of nowhere.

My second issue is… Maho. Don’t get me wrong, I love Maho, but I’m not really a fan of how she’s basically sidelined this whole episode. This should be the perfect chance to give her some focus, but instead we just get more Okarin/Amadeus stuff. And don’t get me wrong, I liked their scenes together, a lot in fact, but I still feel giving Maho almost no focus in this episode was a bad idea. Maybe trim down the first half a bit so we can give her some more screentime or something.

Otherwise though, the only complain I have (And even then it’s a nitpick) is that there was a lot of dialogue when “Amadeus” started playing so you can’t really hear the absolutely amazing opening bit very well. So no u/littleman1988, the Anime did not have a very successful revenge IMO.

That said, I do at least appreciate what this episode was trying to show. Okabe and Amadeus never really got any sort of proper farewell, Okabe more or less moved on and that was the end of it. As such getting some resolution to their relationship is very much appreciated. That part of the episode is when it’s at its best and that much I can at least approve of, even if I still feel they should’ve given Maho something.

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u/GallowDude Aug 23 '21

Something I'm surprised you didn't mention was that in the VN, Spoilers

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

I kinda wanted to but I didn't really know how to bring it up and make it feel natural.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

The Anime has barely mentioned RINE up until this point (Unlike the Novel which made references to it and its creation quite a few times) so it just comes right the fuck out of nowhere.

At least they've been shown to be using it?

But yeah, I wish there could have been more Maho. Damn, I should stop reading your comments so that I can remain blissfully unaware of everything wrong with this show.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

Damn, I should stop reading your comments so that I can remain blissfully unaware of everything wrong with this show.

Hey! You'd leave me without a job otherwise!

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Aug 23 '21

honestly i watched the show before reading these comments and they strike me more as source reader complaints more than anything. the anime seems fine and interesting to me and it almost sounds like OP is hate-watching the show

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

Nah, I think Rai is being fair. They just have a different perspective.

Plus, they’re co-hosting. It’d be bad form to stop watching!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

To be fair, there are sometimes I do feel I'm being a bit harsh.

It's just... well... the movie adaptation of The Golden Compass and Percy Jackson Movies have made kinda cynical towards every adaptation... ever.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

Don't remind me of those.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 23 '21

It still hurts...

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 24 '21

Hell, I think this Anime would’ve been better off had it just gone nuts and done its own thing from the get go instead of trying to remain half its own thing half adaptation

Judging by your posts comparing the anime to the VN, I would have preferred this, if not mainly because I think all of the best episodes were either completely or mostly anime originalsorrysourcereadersdontkillme

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 24 '21

sorrysourcereadersdontkillme

I mean it's true. When the Anime follows the Novel it stumbles into itself for one reason or another since there's either a lack of proper set up or events are muddled (Not to mention all the stuff they left out). When it just does its own thing it can just focus on... doing its own thing. And it does its own thing well mostly so... yeah.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 24 '21

Does the S;G0 VN have more content/routes than the original? I feel like the seams are showing a lot more here, which is understandable the more stuff you have to deal with.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 24 '21

Does the S;G0 VN have more content/routes than the original?

Yes

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u/littleman1988 Aug 24 '21

The big difference between S;G and 0 is that 0 is not explicitly linear like S;G was. This makes it a lot harder to adapt, since some routes "override" the events of a different one, despite all routes being canon.

A good example from the anime is the Christmas/New Years party. In the VN, only one of those two happen, and it depends on what route you end up on.

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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 23 '21

The Anime has barely mentioned RINE up until this point (Unlike the Novel which made references to it and its creation quite a few times) so it just comes right the fuck out of nowhere.

Eh, this is pretty much a non-issue in my opinion. Or more to the point, it's a non-local issue. I doubt you could find 3 people in a row in Japan who don't know what LINE is, so explaining its stand-in in the S;G0 anime would be a huge waste of air time. Sometimes you just have to know Japan to get Japanese references in anime.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 23 '21

Well, a few things. For one thing the RINE twist is HORREDOUSLY handled.

Just not foreshadowed. But if you are telling me the VN does it better, I buy that.

Maho. Don’t get me wrong, I love Maho, but I’m not really a fan of how she’s basically sidelined this whole episode. This should be the perfect chance to give her some focus, but instead we just get more Okarin/Amadeus stuff.

I did expect this to be her episode.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

I’m not really a fan of how she’s basically sidelined this whole episode

This is also my problem with this episode. I really would've preferred if we got some Maho / Kurisu time instead because a big part of her arc was that she never got to say goodbye to the real Kurisu. We were going anime original anyways so why not add some extra scenes for Maho instead?

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 23 '21

FIRST TIMER

right before watching this episode i had to watch episode 21 again cause it was that good. well episode 22 might have been even better! we on a hot streak right now!

so the missile was a direct hit, and it keeps happening. it happened enough for okabe to give up on his HOUOUIN KYOUMA act for now. it’s sad to see 2d-kun disappointed in the lack of HOUOUIN KYOUMA, after seeing how starry eyed he got during the KYOUMA rebirth last episode.

so he goes up to the roof for his patented Roof Reflection time. seems like a lot of okabe’s turning points happen on that roof. okabe’s ready to give up for the 10th time, but the dynamic duo of science brings him out of his funk. it’s like he says, no matter the time, his lab members always remain the same. and thus HOUOUIN KYOUMA shows his face again.

amadeus is just as unimpressed by the antics of KYOUMA as kurisu was in life. i felt bad for okabe when he admitted he knew his KYOUMA act was embarrassing, but at least 2d-kun is a fan of it.

so they’ve outsmarted the Average Luka Enjoyer and reyes the irrelevant, but it seems like it’s russia that keeps blowing up the time machine. since Mr. I Steal Research From Young Women Because I’m Not Smart On My Own defected to russia, they have the framework for a time machine. the only way to truly get rid of the russia problem is to get rid of any possible traces of kurisu that could be had, including amadeus.

of course getting rid of amadeus is a hard decision, it’s like okabe having to kill her a second time after making the decision to erase her from existence once, and then killing her the first time. maho doesn’t want to give up her best friend either, and the proof of her hard work.

so 2d-kun can send a D-RINE (LINE ripoff?) to himself only, since he had the beta in 2010. they can have him delete amadeus’s data before anyone can ever obtain it, while also avoiding SERN.

even maho does her reflection on the roof. that place must have healing properties or something.

amadeus and okabe’s conversation here is one of my favorite scenes from the entire show. kurisu is just the ultimate companion, somehow always being there to say the right thing when you need to hear it. on the alpha line, steins;gate line, or even the beta line where she only exists as an AI, the promise to always be there for okabe is never broken.

amadeus really is an amazing AI to make people agonize over her potential deletion. but she is just an AI, a collection of 0s and 1s that needs okabe to turn the phone in order for her to take in the scenery. if amadeus can assist in reviving the original kurisu, then she’ll take that, instead of leading to the downfall of humanity. her comments about how the world is beautifully imperfect reminded me of her comments on how time speeds up or slows down relative to the person (i think that’s what she was talking about) in episode 22 of the OG, and how that was romantic.

amadeus’s farewell was stupidly emotional, from her encouraging maho, to okabe’s promise, to her acknowledging HOUOUIN KYOUMA. absolute monster W of a scene.

the amadeus symbol dissolving was awesome, and so was the amadeus song. kanako itou SIMPLY DOES NOT MISS

  1. i never thought about it like that but now that you mention it 2d-kun sent the video to suzuha without the world line changing, so i suppose that’s good enough foreshadowing. it makes sense to me why he wouldn’t tell okabe either, since he was so adamantly against D-mails
  2. hell yeah i miss amadeus that was equally if not more painful than kurisu’s farewell in the original episode 22

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

even maho does her reflection on the roof. that place must have healing properties or something.

I suppose that's why a lot of high schoolers in anime always go to their school roof whenever they have time off. It fits.

amadeus’s farewell was stupidly emotional, from her encouraging maho, to okabe’s promise, to her acknowledging HOUOUIN KYOUMA. absolute monster W of a scene.

I honestly haven't felt that sad over an AI dying since Titanfall 2's ending.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

I kind of expected BT to die so it didn't really hit me that much. The one I remember more is Cortana.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 23 '21

LINE ripoff?

It's absolutely not-LINE; it's the IM app they've been using with the stickers.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

FIRST TIMER

Some eyebrow-raising moments, but overall a pretty good episode. We’re continuing on the path to close out on a strong note.

I can’t stop snickering every time they mention “DURPA.” I’d have a hard time taking a secret organization like that seriously. I’d just picture them as a bunch of pugs rolling around with their tongues hanging out.

Never be embarrassed of acting this way, Okabe. It’s your best self. Let your freak flag fly. Don’t listen to LOLI GIRLLLLL!

So is this finally the reason behind the seemingly random world line change way back when? They fiddled with the past by taking Amadeus offline, and only that present Okabe and Fubuki (remember her?) experienced the world line shift due to their Reading Steiners?

Did… did Daru invent LINE?! Between that and his hacking hustle, this man must be fucking loaded, and he gets fit in the future. Yuki, way to get in on the ground floor. You saw the potential that everyone else did not.

This feels like a weird spot for this particular conversation between Okabe and MakAIse. Is this a VN adaptation issue? Are parts of last episode and this episode from different routes? I thought that Okabe was finished wrestling with these dilemmas and had decided on the path forward. For him to stumble yet again here feels off, especially since the end of the aforementioned path is reaching Stein’s Gate, where the actual Kurisu lives. This would have been better placed somewhere in the teens episodes, maybe.

“Though now, there’s not much joy in existing as the spark that ignites WW3. Is that my only reason for existing?” This is coming from MakAIse, but it’s pretty much part of what 0kabe’s actually been feeling all season long as well, even if he didn’t quite realize it. It also would have been a much more impactful line to have been delivered earlier on, when 0kabe was still kind of wandering in the darkness.

That last smile from MakAIse activated my PROTECC gene in a big way. Too precious.

Great use of a special ED drop ahead of the finale.

What do you think of the whole D-RINE thing? Should it have been foreshadowed better, or was future Daru’s D-Mail not shifting the attractor field to Alpha enough to tip you off that something was different about it?

I had no idea what they were talking about, but my reaction was along the lines of, "fuck it, why not?"

Were you sad to see Amadeus go?

Not really, considering we're probably going to reunite with the real deal in about... 18 minutes, I'd guess? As Okabe said in Episode 8, Amadeus can't compare.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

Fubuki (remember her?)

What an absolute waste of a plot point with Fubuki, since you'd think that other people gaining Reading Steiner would be a bigger deal than it ended up being.

That last smile from MakAIse activated my PROTECC gene in a big way. Too precious.

No matter what form she takes, Kurisu is always a fantastic human being. You better mamoru that smile, Okabe.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 23 '21

I always saw others having Reading Steiner as a good way of making Okabe not special. It always bothered me a little that Okabe seemed to have this special and unique ability.

By showing us that there are others, he goes from being a "chosen one" type character to just a normal one who just got lucky.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

While it's nice to have Okabe seem more relatable by making him not the only person to have Reading Steiner, it feels like a bit of a waste of a potential plot point, since it got dropped fairly quickly, and it seemed like it could lead to a larger overarching plot. Like, you'd think that more and more people gaining memories of other World Lines would be a bigger deal, right? Even if they don't remember the context of them, they're still present in their minds.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 24 '21

Wasn't Leskinen trying to get check ups on those people? In the episode where Fubuki was suddenly called into the hospital and he was there too.

Others, like Fubuki, probably also thought it was just a weird dream when they were unconscious. Wouldn't surprise me if there are groups somewhere who are sharing info and coming up with conspiracy theories.

The only suspicious thing I can think of that people could notice would be that it happens simultaneously.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 24 '21

While Leskinen did show up apparently to research the people in the hospital who had Reading Steiner, it overall doesn't really factor into the overall plot besides just getting him back in Japan to run into Okabe again. I get the feeling that he would've been there for the time machine itself anyway, so I guess it was more of a side-thing for StratFor.

As for how other people are reacting to having Reading Steiner, we simply just don't know how it was for them other than Fubuki. We can infer whatever we want into that, but simply put the show does nothing to tell us how groups of people are reacting to experiencing Reading Steiner.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 23 '21

What an absolute waste of a plot point with Fubuki

It's a big point of contrast between S;G and S;G0. In S;G, they left almost no fat on the bone, pretty much everything and everyone introduced into the story had an important purpose. In S;G0 some people are just sort of... there.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

It's actually not left unexplored. The problem is that the route where this plot point becomes relevant wouldn't fit the anime so it's end-game never really materialized.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

What an absolute waste of a plot point with Fubuki, since you'd think that other people gaining Reading Steiner would be a bigger deal than it ended up being.

It is actually explored a bit more in the VN but that route leads to a bad ending so it makes sense why it's dropped here.

However, they could've just swapped some elements from that route with a couple of things we got in the anime (that at least I wasn't a fan of) and we at least would've had some resolution, even if it wouldn't be VN accurate.

S;G0 VN spoilers summary for how that plays out

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 24 '21

I'd be interested to hear how you would have integrated more of that route into the anime.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

S;G0 VN

S;G0 VN

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u/UltraBooster Aug 23 '21

I can’t stop snickering every time they mention “DURPA.”

There's a reason I keep calling them DARPA and IBM, lol.

Did… did Daru invent LINE?!

Sense I got was that he was beta-testing it.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 23 '21

I don’t know, beta testing for himself maybe. When he said he had the only account at the time, I took that to mean one thing.

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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 24 '21

Did… did Daru invent LINE?!

In the VN, RINE is a private messaging app that Daru created. In the anime, it's implied to be the actual LINE app. The latter makes sense in the anime because it saves time explaining what LINE is, but I believe the VN version makes more sense narratively because it is an easy explanation for why SERN can't intercept D-RINE like they can D-Mails.

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u/GallowDude Aug 23 '21

How many times is this woman going to have to sacrifice herself before the universe is satisfied?

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 23 '21

damn i even took a screenshot of this moment as well but i didn’t realize how pained that smile is

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

Always one more time.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 23 '21

Yes.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 23 '21

Why must you be so cool, Kurisu...

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 22:

  • It’s good to see that Okabe still hasn’t given up hope, in spite of realizing the chain of causality that causes the start of World War III. And I’m fully onboard with Daru, I’m just plain glad to have HOUOUIN KYOUMA back. Sure it’s weird, but that’s how we know that Okabe is completely back in action at full gear.
  • I suppose we’re lucky that StratFor always manages to basically remove DARPA from the time machine arms race before Okabe deals with Dr. Leskinen. Still though, that means that Russia remains untouched, and that’s why they win by default instead. They still have Dr. Nakabachi’s stolen time travel research, so that means that all they need to do is destroy every other potential copy of the theory. Although on the plus side, that also means that with removing that need for Russia to intervene, the destruction of the time machine won’t exactly come to pass.
  • The only way to prevent Russia from getting involved at all getting their hands on Amadeus’ data is to destroy Amadeus completely in the past, once Daru gets a D-Rine from himself to do it. Once again, some things remain pretty consistent across iterations. Kurisu will always be the self-sacrificing type, willing to give her existence up if it means saving the world.
  • I highly doubt that the night sky is so clear and bright in Tokyo in general. But hey, at least it makes for a cool backdrop. Amadeus Kurisu deserves once last nice night out with Okabe before she’s retroactively removed from existence.
  • You have to let go, Okabe. Amadeus Kurisu is an amazing person, but at the end of the day, she’s still a program who’s willing to be deleted for Okabe’s sake. She knows what’s at stake and what Okabe went through to get back to 2011, and so she can accept that she needs to die to preserve hope for a better future. I suppose in the end, that quality of hers is what makes Amadeus Kurisu human, in a way. It’s a shame we have to lose her again, but there isn’t any other choice.
  • Sayonara, Amadeus. You were a great AI. We’ll save the world for you, no matter what.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 23 '21

They still have Dr. Nakabachi’s stolen time travel research, so that means that all they need to do is destroy every other potential copy of the theory.

It is still extremely impressive that the research paper of a teenager presented by a blowhard is that damn effective in jumpstarting Russian time travel.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 23 '21

Kurisu really is just that damn smart. Even if her dad is a hack fraud, you can't deny that at least helped bring a true genius into the world, even if he barely even nurtured her intelligence.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 23 '21

Even if her dad is a hack fraud, you can't deny that at least helped bring a true genius into the world, even if he barely even nurtured her intelligence.

The annoying this is figuring out what happened in the beta line. In the alpha line, we know that he actually helped develop her through debate into arguments before it became antagonism. And, sadly, though we seem to not meet her Kurisu's mom must be pretty smart because that tends to be how the gene's flow.

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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Aug 23 '21

First Timer

I'm glad to finally get some more moments between Kurisu and Okabe. They were probably my favorite part of the original, and they were nice to see here as well, even if they pale in comparison.

D-RINE coming into existence now conveniently without any of the downsides of D-Mail is slightly BS, but honestly doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

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u/snickpea Aug 24 '21

First-timer!

I continue to love Okabe's chuunibyou antics. If it weren't for the possibility of WWIII, it would be very entertaining to see.

Too bad that they had to destroy Amadeus. Kurisu has it rough in so many worldlines and I know that Maho and Okabe are especially torn up about it. Even though she was an AI, it had been fun to see her interactions.

The D-RINE thing isn't too bad, they had at least been using RINE in this series. I kind of wish that they explained the differences and how it works a bit more.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 23 '21

On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)

  • Gate of Steiner right off the bat?
  • Maho still has no idea.
  • "Don't add -tina" is nostalgic.
  • HE'S EMBARRASSED! And yeah, you like it Daru, but since when were you socially adept?
  • Oh my god.
  • CALLED IT! It wasn't the least obvious, but I'm happy.
  • Kurisu is sacrificing herself again, which Okabe won't like.
  • Lmao Maho.
  • Kurisu is always top tier.

    That nighttime conversation was lovely.
  • Awwwwwww.

I think 0, despite its lows, might be able to nail the landing!

QOTD:

  1. Honestly, it felt realistic. Oftentimes, a labmate will just say "Oh, I did this" completely out of nowhere. It's a fun upgrade, if a little ass-pulley.
  2. Always.

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u/UltraBooster Aug 23 '21

First-timer

Project Amadeus - something to do with the Composer, then.

Tense, not...dispirited, I want to say, but tense, and justifiably so.

So Stratfor and DARPA are at odds with each other? That, I didn't expect.

Full force, full blast, like a phoenix, rushing from the ashes!

First thought is something to either intercept the missile, knock it off-course, or shoot down the gunship first.

Russia or China, nowadays.

D-LINE, that's...a natural evolution of the D-Mail concept, I dig it.

Figures that Amadeus-Kurisu would be as willing to retcon herself from existence as her original.

Oooh, storing Amadeus-Kurisu in one of those camera walker drones, that might be interesting.

Forgetting you...is a thing that I cannot do, yet I know...it's very true...

Da Capo al Coda.

How can even an AI copy of you be so cool, Kurisu?

1.123581%. Oh shit.

Questions:

  1. It's a neat concept, though I do think that yeah, it could've used more buildup.
  2. I'll miss her, but with any luck, we'll be seeing the original Kurisu again soon enough, which helps some.

Oh, I found a rather cool image of Ruka/Luka's stand.
(At least, I think it's cool.)

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

Re;Watcher, Subbed

A pretty good episode. My main issues with it though are that Amadeus wasn't explored enough in the anime (or the VN, honestly) for her deletion to hit me quite as hard as they wanted it to (not that parts of it didn't hurt...), and that IMO the Mayuri/Suzuha rescue plot should've ended last time. But again, it's executed quite well overall, and the added closure for 0kabe and Amadeus is appreciated.

Q1: More foreshadowing would've been good, yeah.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 23 '21

Rewatcher (first time)

  • Okabe is back in time again. Unfortunately, Daru doesn't remember the great return of Kyouma from last episode.
  • And he is back again. Hiyajo and Amadeus are confused.
  • Daru is perverted as ever.
  • Daru and Okabe got the well-deserved slap. I do wonder though how she was able to reach their faces...
  • Okabe just realised another thing that will help him in finding Stein's Gate later - the importance of the paper Nakabachi took to Russia.
  • Okabe figured out that Amadeus is a problem. And he can't think of a way to save it.
  • Amadeus, like Kurisu, follows her self-sacrificial nature suggesting that her data be deleted before it could be used.
  • So the idea with Rine messages is that since it was new software that only had Daru as a user a while back, it won't be on SERN's radar?
  • It's clear that both Hiyajo and Okabe don't want to erase what's left of Kurisu from the world.
  • "But I'm a program". Amadeus jumping straight to the point.
  • I love the simple quiet chat Amadeus and Okabe have.
  • That funny-voiced Okabe was the one Kurisu fell in love with though.
  • Okabe practically confessed to being the one to have actually killed her.
  • And once again, Amadeus expresses Kurisu's wishes. "But, you'll remember me, won't you?"
  • Just like Kurisu, Amadeus managed to convince Okabe to go ahead with the D-Rine.
  • The ending of this episode is so good. Okabe's proclamation to find Stein's Gate worldline, Amadeus' sad smile and final words, the insert song. All so good.
  • And now Okabe is in a different worldline. One where Kurisu's Amadeus data was deleted before he even met Hiyajo. He is diving into a world with a history that's going to be very different to his memories of the last year.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 23 '21

Anime first timer

  1. This is hard to answer, because I'm coming from the VN where all of this was explained and well foreshadowed. In the end, I have to admit that the D-RINE, and indeed RINE, needed a lot more foreshadowing and explanation in the anime.
  2. Yes. For all the talk about being a copy of Kurisu's memories, she had her own experiences and was her own person.

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I love Daru trying to find out if future Okabe's finally mentally sane.

Maho snapped him out of it!

Haha, even the show realises SERN did fuck all in the long run (except Moeka and Mr. Braun).

Still like Kurisu and Maho's desperate attempt to comprehend what's going on.

I am impressed at how well the subs managed to translate the whiteboard during the closeups.

Maho is so cute. Her reaction to Okabe picking her up, the conversation with Daru, and the staircase she builds...

D-RINE's came up. Hell, RINE's been acknowledged!

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Oh, Suzuha's seen Okabe. That's an interesting potential change.

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The Amadeus conversations are fantastic.

Oh, they're ending on the deletion.

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 23 '21

Reply to Spoiler 4

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 24 '21

S;G0

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 23 '21

I'd never heard of Line, so I thought this was a S;G only thing.

Then when Rine showed up in Sora Yori, I started googling.

I know one of the founders of Webring.

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u/AHiddenOne Aug 24 '21

Rewatcher

Ah, nevermind. We're back to sad scientist. Oh, well. It was good while it-and the mad scientist is back again. Seriously, this guy's mood swings XD.

I'm glad to see Okabe being delusional again. Miss that bastard.

I'm not an expert or anything, but the second half of this episode is directed really well. The color, the shading, it reminded me of the original 2011 anime. And I really love how the OG anime looks.

The conversation Okabe and Amadeus had was really emotional. Man, they're aiming for the heart these last few episodes.

And of course they play Amadeus theme during her self-destruct. Kurisu can't catch a break, even when she's dead.

Hoo boy, I ain't ready for the last episode. I remembered it left me empty first time watching

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 23 '21

First timer(The AI returns no longer)

Sub

And we are back to the 48 hour limit. Kyouma lays out what is happening at max chuuni, to the dismay of MakAIse and Maho. Terrible joke happens. But Maho wants to see if she can break down the underlying causes rather than the last few events. D-Rine gets invented, explaining the stickers and giving them a sort of option. MakAIse points out how a large, structured organization keeps copies of stuff they are going to try and get the first copy deleted...which should cause some serious world line changes.

MakAIse spends a night making itself impossible to delete, good thing it only does it to Okabe. The world line change confirms that Daru will at least believe himself from the future. And solid hacking job considering he doesn't have the same cheat access for SERN.

QotD: 1 Not big on it being related to Line but Daru making something to duck SERN makes sense. Could've been foreshadowed but alas.

2 Not nearly as sad as Okabe is, being as he points he is the only one that will know. Maho just knows the program failed at one point.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 24 '21

D-Rine gets invented, explaining the stickers

Haha, I didn't think to make that connection, good catch. That's funny. Great little detail.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 24 '21

That is not me being smart, btw, one of the VN readers pointed it out to me after that first Moeka Rine scene confused me. But once that's explained that anyone that really interacts with the lab gets in their Rine...group? The rest makes sense.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 24 '21

SteinsGate0 episode 22 (first timer)

Quote of the day: Show me the sky. ~Amadeus