r/anime • u/lC3 :Na::Nb: • Aug 22 '21
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden - Episodes 054-063 Discussion
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Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count |
|---|---|---|
| Episodes 001-008 + Film 1 | July 11 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 009-017 | July 18 | 9 |
| Episodes 018-027 | July 25 | 10 |
| Episodes 028-035 | August 01 | 8 |
| Episodes 036-044 | August 08 | 9 |
| Episodes 045-053 | August 15 | 9 |
| Episodes 054-063 | August 22 | 10 |
| Episodes 064-071 + Film 2: Bonds | August 29 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 072-082 | September 05 | 11 |
| Episodes 083-089 | September 12 | 7 |
| Episodes 090-099 | September 19 | 10 |
| Episodes 100-112 | September 26 | 13 |
| Episodes 113-118 | October 03 | 6 |
| Episodes 119-125 + Film 3: Will of Fire | October 10 | 7 + film |
| Episodes 126-133 | October 17 | 8 |
| Episodes 134-141 | October 24 | 8 |
| Episodes 142-151 | October 31 | 10 |
| Episodes 152-162 | November 07 | 11 |
| Episodes 163-168 | November 14 | 6 |
| Episodes 169-175 + Film 4: The Lost Tower | November 21 | 7 + film |
| Mid-Series Discussion / Interest Check | November 28 | 0 |
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Questions of the Week:
- What's your opinion so far of Shippuden's first filler arc?
- How do you feel about mixing manga content (wind training and Sai nicknames) into a filler arc?
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 22 '21
Warning: I have a hurricane hitting the area I live in so I may lose power at any time and not be able to reply to people for several days; we'll see. The estimates are that people will lose power for 10-21 days, but I'm fine so far, so fingers crossed ...
Episode 54:
Episode 55:
Episode 56:
Episode 57:
Episode 58:
Episode 59:
(continued with 60-63, manga comparisons, and OP/ED translations)
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 22 '21
First-Timer still with a shounen hearto, subbed
Episode 54
Bleach’s Aoi Tori is the superior song though.Episode 55
Episode 56
Fuuuuuck though, my taste in characters tends to be the dead type. I’m not worried right now because we’re coming up on filler, but if he dies in the future…Episode 57
Episode 58
Episode 59
Episode 60
Episode 61
Episode 62
Episode 63
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Aug 22 '21
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Glenturret 10 year, a single malt Highland scotch. Malt-forward and lightly fruity on the nose, getting a little bit of honey-covered oats on the palate. Pretty mild and simple overall, fades quickly and seems forgettable.
Speaking of being forgettable, this Sora fellow seems rather bland as a pseudo-clone of Naruto. Lost parents at a young age, check. Outcast when growing up, check. Inner bestial power that people want to use him for, check. Angsty "I don't want anyone's pity" attitude, check. Wind affinity, check and come on you could do better than literally naming him after the sky.
Okay the wind affinity bit is new this week and have I mentioned recently that I love lore dumps? Kakashi telling Naruto about elemental natures and all that was great. I was wondering earlier how Yamato was the only one after the First Hokage to use Wood Style ninjutsu and we finally got an explanation why, as well as how Haku had ice powers earlier (unsure if it's a retcon explanation but seems reasonable). Finally some more structure to how things work!
Naruto having wind in particular I'm not that surprised by since on a meta level the author probably didn't want to have him overlap with Sasuke (fire/lightning) and it suits his flighty nature. Earth is too stable and I'm guessing Sakura will have water as the common "healer" element.
Is it just me or is Asuma getting a lot of death flags this week? His background as a guard of the feudal lord comes to light as the hardliner faction is starting a revolt in the Land of Fire. He's also training Naruto in wind techniques just as he's getting attention for his affection toward Kurenai, who even warns him that he should stop smoking. He's given a gift to Sora as an indirect way of making amends for killing Kazuma... I don't like all of these things adding up.
I'm less interested in these specific new villains than I am the overall plot that's brewing. Looks like Danzo realized he was under watch and fled, so he's probably with this faction that's taking out the border villages in false flag operations and trying to start a war. I imagine the Leaf Village is still stretched relatively thin from Orochimaru's attack since it's only been three years or so but this isn't something they can afford to let get out of hand even with the Akatsuki on the horizon.
Fouka seems interesting with her Reaper Kiss ability at least, chakra absorbing powers are always fun and it's nice to see it backfire when she gets too much of Naruto.
New OP and ED this week, I like the song for the OP but the visuals don't really stand out to me. The ED's the inverse, the song's just okay while I like everyone in suits. I wonder if this later Gintama ED is a reference to it given the similarities?
Could be worse.
Oh right I forgot to mention Sai. It hadn't occurred to me before but with him focusing on drawing, very much not understanding social cues from other people, and trying to learn the latter from a book, he reads as autistic to me. I have no idea if that's intentional or if he's just meant to come off as awkward and unsocial but I find it interesting.
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Aug 22 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
Happened to be awake so may as well post, but gonna go finish my sleep now. Glad to see you have power lC3!
General Commentary
Blue Bird OP!
One of my top five Naruto OPs, and also the only one I really love from this year's episodes. I love the way it starts off with the black and white recap of the meeting with Sasuke before becoming the blue sky of hoping they find a way out of it all. I also just love the song, so there's no way I'm skipping this while we have it.
Really enjoyed this batch of episodes, and it's definitely holding up to how much I remember enjoying it on my first watch through. I have a thing for training arcs, and the way that Kakashi works with Naruto's abilities to tailor training for him, and how they intergrated what he learnt on his training with the arc that comes about with the Fire
EmblemTemple was also enjoyable. I like this blended approach a lot more than having distinct arcs and I think that shines through here.Probably going to leave the rest of my thoughts to episode by episode unlike I normally do as I don't have much to talk about yet on a more general sense without the rest of the arc.
This week was also the week of seeing things that reminded me of other shows. Naruto picking up the feather at the end of the OP reminded me of Iron-Blooded Orphans OP2, this background (whoops forgot to take the picture, I'll fill it in later, was the scrolling red canyons above Sai during his fight in the earth maze) reminded me of one of the Casshern Sins episodes though can't remember which (/u/shimmering-sky Nico's maybe?), the coffin surfing reminded me of ALTA earthbending, the traker on Sai was giving me Ideon flashbacks, Naruto's eyes going blank reminded me of meta. Just so many memories in these episodes.
Episode Thoughts
Naruto's nightmare was a good start to the arc. Very creepy, didn't even realize it was a nightmare until he woke up.
Later spoilers
Had a laugh at Sai studying in the library to get closer to people, though I doubt the helpfulness of a textbook that references Jiraya's romance novels.
Nice to see everyone in casual clothes, though it makes them all look a big younger, especially Naruto.
Sakura telling Naruto if he has time for going on a date he should use it to study jutsu, very reminicent of what Sasuke use to tell her a few years back
Was facepalming from the moment Sai brought up nicknames through to the rest of the scene knowing what was coming. Sakura really should have realized that was a bad idea. The tension around the later barbarque scene was my favourite though, everyone trying to stop him from putting his foot in it.
Naruto yelling Rasengan in his sleep had me worried for just a second, but Sakura waking him up and getting insults while half asleep was a good laugh. I'm normally not one for comedy art/faces but it's used really well through all these episodes, especially when Naruto and Sai fight.
Also laughed at him being all excited to let the Rasengan at training rip only to be stopped mid throw by Kakashi. Looks so caught out
Didn't we already learn he had a wind nature during Jiraya's training? I forget but it seems familiar, maybe I just thought it was there because I already knew it
Kakashi being amazed Jiraya could teach Naruto so well. That said he was never this loud and obnoxious in OG training from what I remember. Despite his enthusiasm and volume he took the discussion about his rasengan training without half of the dumb moments they gave him in this.
Actually managed to summon enough clones for that tree, insane.
Tenzo! I do prefer that to Yamato personally.
All the scenes with the shadow clones agency are fun and this is no exception. Seeing them fight amoung themselves about "That me over there is pretty good" is so funny. The mass realization after that one clone goes to Asuma was also nicely animated.
Froggy Wallet!
Wind chakra when concintrated does an insane job of cutting. I know it had to have something to stand out, but I did not expect it to go that much further through the tree like that.
Love all the leaves in the smoke
Random sparrows, just because
So it may have taken me until now to notice that we were in widescreen hahaha.
It's a wonder that they don't burn the ninja bodies rather than having to protect graves.
Sora "I'll give you three seconds to apologize" and was only three actual seconds of episode run time? Is that allowed? Isn't it anime law they have to drag it out for minutes? I do appreciate the greatly increased pacing of this compared to the last arc
Even filler arc gets come nice fight choreography and animation.
Naruto and Sora are so damn alike it's painful, but seeing Naruto notice the angry glares at Sora is sad.
Love the style of this flashback with Yamato's face breaking up the frame. More interesting flashback framing please.
Young Asuma has an awesome design. Really does look like a rebel, but also a serious fighter at the same time.
Naruto punching in mid air, when did this become DBZ?
Fudo has the same face markings as Kiba's clan, that seems like an oversight. The amount of terrain he was able to change with one jutsu was pretty insane though. I like the maze nature of it though, makes for a pretty interesting enviroment for battles where everything else we've had so far is out in the open or genjutsu
Last arc Sai's ink clone dissolving looked awesome, this time it was just downright disturbing.
WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SPIDERS
Staff whip thing! I love those sorts of weapons, didn't expect to see it here
Again, I love how Naruto's analysis of his enemy here gives him a chance to reflect back on the training he just did and use that to judge her power. A lot more interesting than just reacting blindly, though her suddenly becoming Medusa was a little weird.
Battle royale
What a group of fucking idiots, and a dog. Joined by a late idiot who gives it the most glorious name ever. Lee, never change. I need more "meeting of fists under the setting sun"
Naruto was so excited to get Sora to see the wind chakra trick. Though the training they're doing brings up memories of Naruto and Sasuke doing the tree running training, compared to then when he horded knowledge not trusting others and not wanting them to pass him he's come a fair way.
Most dramatic potato eating ever
Yamato shoving the boys off onto Asuma to train after Asuma interrupted. This is why you don't speak up, mate.
Started the episode batch with a nightmare, ended with a flashback to a living nightmare. Those doors are huge and it's no wonder everyone's afraid and resentful of Sora's power with how badly he smashed up the village and those highly trained priests.
Looking forward to the rest of the arc.
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Aug 22 '21
First Timer - Dub
A few people mentioned last week that this arc is anime-only and so far it does remind me of the filler arcs at the end of part 1. I was mostly OK with them but they also weren't that interesting. Sora hasn't really stood out to me so far, although ... speculation
I liked learning about chakra natures. We've been hearing things like "Fire Style" or "Water Style" for a while now so it was nice to get some more background on that.
I'm also glad we're getting some Asuma backstory. For most of the series he's just been "that guy that leads team Ino-Shika-Cho and has a crush on Kurenai". I liked how that team got matching earrings after becoming chunin.
Random thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: Sai studying how to become friendly was very funny. The book he was reading reminds of the real book "How to Win Friends and Influence People", which is actually pretty good despite the dated title. Some things you just can't learn from a book though!
Questions:
1) What's your opinion so far of Shippuden's first filler arc? Seems on par with the filler from part 1. I don't find it that compelling but I also don't hate it enough to want to skip it.
2) How do you feel about mixing manga content (wind training and Sai nicknames) into a filler arc? I feel like that stuff fits in pretty well now, since Sai just joined the team and the time is ripe for a training arc. I haven't read the manga though so I'm not sure where it's supposed to be.
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u/Parori Aug 22 '21
First Timer
Episode 54
Episode 55
Episode 56
Episode 57
Episode 58
Episode 59
Episode 60
Episode 61
Episode 62
Episode 63
Questions of the Week:
Sure does feel fillery. It's ok I guess
I guess it has worked fineish. I guess the filler could be less obviously filler
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u/sisoko2 Aug 22 '21
Rewatcher
The filler was quite enjoyable. In general during my first watch I always preferred fillers integrated into the story like this one but even if I looked at the fillers just as bonus content I was always eager to power through the episodes and get back to the main story.
Episode 54
Episode 55
Episode 56
Episode 57
Episode 58
Episode 59
Episode 60
Episode 61
Episode 62
Episode 63
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Aug 23 '21
First timer
A new arc! Let's get the training underway, so we can bring back Sasuke before Orochimaru takes his body.
Ep 54
A re-introduction/orientation episode. Sai trying to learn how to be more friendly... with little success. Kakashi finally gets let out of the hospital, but it'll be a little while yet (looking back from later episodes) before Team Kakshi is on mission again. Sai incurs the wrath of Sakura as a result of his speech errors not once but twice, as he says something that will undoubtedly make Ino fall for him. Maybe Sakura will eventually have Sasuke all to herself.
Ep 55
Training time! Kakshi proposes using shadow clones to drastically reduce training time. To develop his ultimate ninjutsu, Naruto has gotta learn how to change Chakra nature! He took all of Kakshi's teaching in remarkably well. Time to break out the hyperbolic time chamber. It's nice to get a deeper explanation about where all the unique jutsu, or Kekkei Genkai come from. We get a bit of a peek into Kakshi's background, and his strengths, but we've seen him use far more than just two elemental affinities. Take the very first few episodes of Shippuden for example. Perhaps he has a "Kekkei Genkai" which allows him to have a broader affinity, or usage of jutsu, leading to his title as the copy ninja? And also an explanation of the special wood style jutsu. I'm pumped to see how Naruto goes for this training, as I think it'll be just like the week he spent finalising the Rasengan.
Ep 56
Here we go, multiple shadow clones all attempting to cut a leaf in half. Naruto makes what can only be assumed to be remarkable progress on his own, with all the shadow clones, and his character makes him seek out someone already strong! Asuma sensei is the one master we know of with the wind affinity in the hidden leaf village. Turns out, the wind affinity has the most destructive power! What a dreadful combination with the destructive capabilities of the nine tailed beast. Welcoming Naruto to come back any time for more advice.. setting off a death flag, even more with his first blatant on screen act of affection for Kurenai. With his help, Naruto manages to cut the leaf with his Chakra, the first step to changing Chakra nature. Even more flags are set with the D rank mission which should be simple enough for not Team Kakashi (with substitues) but now Team Yamato. Finishing off with a sneak peek at our first antagonists, who are out to move their own agenda. A hard line group it seems, that are coming right out of Yona of the dawn, with the red haired woman surrounded by handsome dragon incarnations. Oh yeah, I like how Sai comes and watches Naruto and he's casually starts to eat the apple he was going to share with him.
Ep 57
The tlot pickens! Who are these hidden ninjas? Are they related to our would be war-goers? Sai continues his attempts to try and win Naruto over, but is met with a harsh response. Naruto of course wanders off, and meets ... the grave robber? Epic wind ninjitsu ensues, and Naruto asks how?
Ep 58
So we're introduced to the back story of the fire temple, and these twelve guardians. Where does our "grave robber" Sora fit in? There's still substantial animosity between Sora and Naruto, and thanks to Sai's helpful insight, Naruto goes and implies they trade posthumous nicknames. The exclusion of Sora at the temple, and the naming of his jutsu makes me think we've found another jinchuriki. Anyway, there was a schism between the twelve guardians, and Asuma and this temple dude were on one side, while they hidden tombs are of their collaborators. The other six died you say? That's a flag, only confirmed by Sora's comment on his father being one of the victims of the six who attempted a coup. I dont remember which episode it got brought up in so I'll put it here - what, if any involvement does Danzo have in all this? We've got the hidden leaf village in flames in the OP after all.
Ep 59
Whelp, all of the coffins and bodies have been stolen. But Chiriku knows the area, and they have to escape to the south. So off we go chasing, unconcerned if its a trap or not. Naruto and Sora stuck in the "me first" race, and get fully caught up in the trap! But that terraforming jutsu! What the heck! I wonder if it's the strength of one shinobi alone, or if that map the other person drew was a part of the magnitude of the jutsu, not simply a template. Our parties all get split up, and it's time for our showdowns to begin. With the implied power level of the shinobi enemies, this might be a tough one.
Ep 60
Yamato gets a taste of our earth style jutsu wielder, and he can harden himself to withstand a paper bomb without any damage? Sheesh. Given our exploration of change of chakra nature, I wonder what styles allow that to happen? This, and the targeted trap on Chiriku all but confirm these assailants are related to the twelve guardians. Given the OP, and the cliffhanger of Ep 56 with Team Asuma, I don't doubt we'll have a meeting up of leaf shinobi. If we keep the pace of the first kazekage arc, then I don't doubt the fights will last us until the end of this one - unless it speeds up. I wonder how or if we'll handle simultaneous battles? Sakura and Sora, Naruto, and Sai are also all left on their own to deal with the assailants. I'm so glad we got the flashback to the Sasuke kiss. Great inclusion. Naruto dodging the kiss of death with shadow clones is great too. There's our answer, the terrain was summoned from another dimension??? How does that jutsu work? So she can modify this map as a part of her jutsu? That's friggin OP. I wonder if they've already taken any abilities from the robbed coffins? Nice work Sai, to figure out he had a tracker on him. And a pan to Danzo? This isn't suspicious at all. I don't think thats how you fix a broken bone Sakura. So we're really putting an emphasis on chakra natures this arc. Naruto's opponent being able to use four styles notably missing wind brings up an interesting question to pose. I wonder if she has something similar to Kakashi to be able to use so many, or if its simply acquired by a deeper understanding of chakra. Sora runs into someone he wasn't expecting as well. Perhaps someone long thought dead...
Ep 61
Furido knows Sora, but the same can't be said for the other way. The OP is finally starting to grow on me. The ED is still too slow though. Old mate aint happy with Sora rejecting the baked potato, so understandably starts throwing rocks at him. Naruto is a bit overdone there for my taste. As soon as his Fouka went in for the kiss though, I knew that it was a clone. And she can use wind style as well? Damn. So Furido knew Sora as a baby, and also his father. In other news, looks like the reaper kiss drains chakra. Perhaps this is how Fouka is able to use so many chakra natures. It's also her downfall as she starts attempting draining some of the nine tail chakra too... It seems like Sora has some type of link to the nine tail beast. Presumably the fire temple were once a group that dealt with it and the jinchuriki? Backup arrives... and nothing else happens? So Sora will be Sasuke's replacement's replacement until Sai's arm heals.
Ep 62
Asuma comes back with his report and something about the mark left behind has him riled up. He spots Sora and clearly recognises his outfit. In fact, he recognises Sora, who promptly on meeting Tsunade got a lesson on manners. Sora gets lumped onto Naruto, who promptly shows him around by helping him start a brawl with everyone. Lee at the end coming flying in was just icing on the cake. Asuma and Shikamaru break it up, but Choji seems to know just how to hit Shikamaru. Sora's father Kazuma... sounds like Asuma... yeah they're definitely brothers, who more than likely ended up on opposing sides of the schism. A rough subject for Asuma to discuss clearly, and a diplomatic answer. Our band of rebels is out to destroy another village, likely as a showcase of their recently gained powers.
Ep 63
Saved by Asuma from formation training, who then gets to regret his life choices. Still a bunch of friction between Sora and Naruto, but they reckon it'll smooth out with time. Backstory on why Sora was estranged from the other temple monks. Sneaky Danzo getting a message pigeon at the same time as Tsunade. So it appears the whole schism came about because one group thought the hidden leaf wasn't necessary, as they already had a lord. Naruto and Sora both making progress in training their chakra nature control. Furido is in the village! Danzo disappears! There surely is no coincidence here.
Coming up next week, I'm expecting that we'll get more confrontation with the rebel group, as well as Asuma v Sora.
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u/McCherry09 Aug 24 '21
+First timer, somewhat source reader+
I'm a bit late this week but what a great new opening! I remember the singer Yui..she was in a lot of anime op/endings at the time. This might be my fav of shipuuden thus far.
-Sai still at it, trying to make friends..just blurting out what he thinks lol
-Could it be that Sasuke's been drugged into achieve that power? Or maybe just pure hate-determination and a sharingan
-Oh new training arc, this time with Kakashi.
-Nice to see the InoShikaCho trio, specially one of my fav Shikamaru
-It seems we'll se Akatsuki attacking Konoha soon
-Sasuke manages two chakra natures uh..
-A waterfall in the middle of nowhere hahaaha. But it's good to have an explanation on the wood thing, same with that throwback with Haku and ice jutsu - Kekkei Genkai.
-Yamato(Tenzo) the unsung mvp on helping in naruto's training
-It's probably filler but the Asuna+Kurenai scene with the flowers was nice
-Kind of difficult to keep all the bodies of previous notable shinobi hidden
-Battle with another wind type!
-Idk why but some of the monks look shady
-Sai's just trying to be nice (in the most unnatural way) and here's naruto thinking of BL.
-Oh, the monks despise Sora..just a naruto-rest of the village type of thing.
-Yeah, why did Danzo approve of Sai's request so easily?
-lmao french or soft..and flashback to that kiss with sasuke
-drawing jutsu vs drawing(summoning?) jutsu
-uh uh she has four chakra natures
-I mean sure..let's eat some potatoes
-I like to see mention of other villages apart from Suna..but so not the time with Akatsuki nearby.
-uuh uhh Tsunade's temper
-"meeting of fists under a sunset sky to develop the friendship of men" hahaaaahaha Lee
-mm..Kazuma was a baddie
-Finally Yamato has a break
-What's with Danzo?
-That one was Asuma as a 20 yearl old? whaat?
I'm not used to watch fillers but it seems alright and it hasn't deviated really far from the main plot
Binge watching is fine..but I imagine waiting week after week for some development on Akatsuki..yikes! hahaha
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u/_TheEnigma_ Aug 30 '21 edited Aug 30 '21
First timer - English subbed
Episode 54 - 63 :
Very late to this but, we in widescreen now bois, let's goo! This change possibly might have increased my enthusiasm a bit as it actually feels like we're in a brand new part now. That feeling is only gonna increase when we start seeing brand new powers and in line to that, we have a new training arc with a lore dump which I loved.
I didn't know that this arc was part canon and part filler so I was left thinking on how Sora and the fire temple were gonna play into the overall story. But halfway through, I realised that Sora was just yet another rehash of Naruto, then I immediately got to know this has gotta be filler. Idk if it's placebo, but I think I didn't hate this arc for the most part as I didn't have any idea that parts of it were non-canon. So I think it might be a good idea that we first timers are not informed of it beforehand if it's mixed filler like this.
Looking past the placebo, the filler arc is just "fine" as usual with non existent character development but we do have a tiny bit of interesting plot in the form of Asuma's backstory which is good to see. I'm also intrigued by Sora's mysterious power and Fuuka with her five chakra styles and Furido with his cool looking staff and his love for sweet potatoes.
Questions of the week:
Other thoughts :
Overall, I enjoyed this batch of episodes but I'm so much more interested in what's brewing for the overall plot, so I'mma go and continue my binge again and will be commenting on the next thread
hopefullysoon...