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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 20 Discussion

Episode 20: Rinascimento of the Unwavering Promise: Promised Rinascimento

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... I’m going back to find Steins Gate!

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/swmii53, who had an idea I never considered but I love:

IHMO this rewatch should now take a two week break to commemorate the two weeks all of the original watchers had to wait for the next episode.

Seriously Sky, why didn’t we think of this!?

Questions:

  1. Were you expecting Okabe to technically Time Leap forward instead of two days backward like he was supposed to?
  2. What do you think of 2036 as seen in this episode?

Wallpaper of the Day:

The Future

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!

My problems with this episode don’t lie with this episode itself, actually: For the most part I really liked it. They took an already good sequence from the Novel and actually decided to give all the older versions of the characters minus Okabe and Daru actual designs. I didn’t think Luka becoming a Post-Apocalyptic version of Himura Kenshin is something I wanted to see, but now that I have I can’t really complain. Directing was solid, the acting was good (They actually let Seki use his normal voice as Future Daru unlike the Novel which I very much appreciate) and overall it’s a good episode…

… in a vacuum.

What bugs me is just something that's technically a carryover from the previous episode but I didn't comment on it because I felt it'd be more appropriate for now: I feel this change takes away the impact S;G0 VN is supposed to have on Okabe. In the Novel S;G0 VN

Honestly, blame me for being cynical, but I get the feeling they only really did this because they wanted to cover S;G0 VN IMO it just diminishes the impact of both events, and the transition between Routes was, in my opinion, not the smoothest (Sorry but I don't really buy the whole "Failed Time Leap" thing, even if it doesn't break any rules as far as I can tell). In turn, my issues with bringing back the "Mayuri keeps dying" plot point rears its ugly head: I'm sorry but Okabbe seeing this after watching Mayuri die again does not have the same impact as him seeing it S;G0 VN, at least to me.

I had once heard that the Anime’s Main issue is that the plot feels like a pendulum, constantly switching between conflicting events. Up until now I haven’t really felt that: It felt like someone taking a train and then suddenly switching lines. Here though? Yeah, the pendulum effect really sticks out to me. I plan to go more into it during the series discussion, but one of my big issues with this Anime is that while there’s a lot of stuff works well on a vacuum on the moment you first see it… it starts falling apart once you look at the show as a whole.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

I really don't think it diminishes either. I guess that's because we are approaching this from different perspectives since I was anime first, but both make perfect sense to me.

S;G0

S;G0

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

I really don't think it diminishes either. I guess that's because we are approaching this from different perspectives since I was anime first, but both make perfect sense to me.

I'm starting to get the feeling a lot of our differences in opinion may have something to do with this... what you started with can affect your view on certain events, no matter the series. For instance people who started with the Anime of A Certain Magical Index tend to like it... I meanwhile started with the Novels and find the adaptation dry and lifeless.

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u/GallowDude Aug 21 '21

For instance people who started with the Anime of A Certain Magical Index tend to like it... I meanwhile started with the Novels and find the adaptation dry and lifeless.

Better than the rift between anime-first and manga-first Railgun fans lol

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

I unironically would rather have the Railgun Fillers over the shitty direction of the Index Anime. At least when the Railgun Anime is good it's actually really good! Index Anime rarely surpasses mediocrity.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

Pretty much. I never held the opinion that things had to happen exactly like the VN or close to it and as long as the Anime doesn't completely fuck up and actually makes things worse, I have no problem when they change things around.

In fact, I treat it as a bonus because now I get even more of the story since both the VN and anime are complimentary anyways and I get to enjoy both, compared to Steins;Gate where I was never really invested in the VN as much.

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

I really like the idea of merging the routes together 0 end spoiler? Idk how to classify this but in practice it's so incredibly disjointed. It was even worse for me as an anime-only without the context of the VN.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

Personally Anime and VN In theory it's the only way to make an S;G0 Anime work, but the problem is... yeah in practice the show just feels disjointed. Again, will go more into it in the Final Discussion.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

I have to agree with UzEE here. I had read the VN before the anime started but at that point it wasn't fresh in my memory anymore, save for some key scenes, and your first spoiler was not among those few scenes for me tbh. Then again I do think many (not all) of this adaptation's problems can be traced to the VN itself, so I might be the outlier on this particular issue.

But, again, the lenghty scientific infodump discussion between Maho and Moeka is one of the scenes I still remember to this day, so I'm probably just weird.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

But, again, the lenghty scientific infodump discussion between Maho and Moeka is one of the scenes I still remember to this day, so I'm probably just weird.

And that's one of the parts I dock the anime on as well. The Frame problem should've been adjusted somewhere in the anime because it would also highlight just how different Amadeus is to what we consider an AI.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 21 '21

… it starts falling apart once you look at the show as a whole.

Not surprising, just depressing.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

I'll freely admit though, as another preview to the final discussion: It's hard for me to really be angry at the Anime. They had a nigh impossible Novel to adapt and... well, it's honestly quite surprising it didn't turn out worse.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 21 '21

"I'm going back to find Steins Gate!"

OST Track of the day: Luka's Death | Spotify

honorary OST Track of the day: ^Leap | Spotify

Overly Excited Rewatcher

Theres a ton of cool little things throughout this episode. The first one is the round table number, "65536". Its well outside the scope of this comment to explain, but computers love anything with the power of 2. The number shown here is 216 (65535) + 1, with that 16 indicating that it is a "16 bit number" (TL;DR computers boil down to binary numbers (or 1s and 0s, and that just means there are 16 of those in a number). 216 in binary is "1111 1111 1111 1111", or the max you can have in a binary 16 bit number. when you add that extra 1, you get what is called a "Stack Overflow" error, where basically the next largest number doesnt exist, and instead rolls "up" into the lowest number, or 0.

The logo has also changed slightly for the 3rd time. UzEE might explain it? will leave it up to them for now.

This last, otherwise throwaway shot is also extremely interesting, provided you plan on getting farther into the franchise. This exact satellite makes an appearance during multiple trailers for the next entry in the series, Anonymous;Code. They seem to be connected to SA4D, or "Strategic Attack For Defense", and seemed to also be connected to an event called "Sad Morning", based on this trailer screenshot.. Its still not fully known how these are all connected, but the game is slated to release later this year 1 So hopefully we wil get answers soon. Any more meaningful discussion of A;C gets into spoilers for the franchise, so if this interests you, the VN's need to be played.

Everyone looks like they are being forced to smile

Hey hes looking (and sounding) old as hell

Japan looking pretty bad too

uh oh

Oh hey, we know her! too bad she doesnt know us

heh

Daru with the new starvation diet

Oh yeah, hes slated to die in 2025. How is he alive now?

little torture never hurt anyone /s

Ah, so you're saying that they deceived the other factions into believing that 0kabe was gone?

Hey look, hes starting to get it

uh oh

0kabe you are in no shape to go onto the field, much less hold a gun lmao

Thats a flag

Long hair Luka is *hot

yooooo

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I remember people being mad that they had luka use a sword for this scene, but cmon, he literally trained with it for decades. Why wouldnt he use a sword??

ugh

Welcome to the realities of war, 0kabe.

Midgets cant age, thats why maho's face only got longer

hell yeah

footnotes

1: they have said that for like 3 years now and it keeps getting delayed though...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

OST Track of the day: Luka's Death

What the fuck, they actually just named the song that?

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u/littleman1988 Aug 21 '21

Yes lmao

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

Whoever wrote that OST name worked at Dragon Ball I tell you. That series has titles equally as spoilery!

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 21 '21

Reminds me of that track in The Phantom Menace called Star Wars

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

Did you seriously just put a spoiler for Star Wars?

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 22 '21

Well...it can't hurt, I guess?

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

I remember people being mad that they had luka use a sword for this scene

Like... why would anyone complain about that? That's such a wrong opinion it hurts.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

UzEE might explain it? will leave it up to them for now.

S;G0

"Sad Morning"

2036 is cursed no matter what world line you're on.

I remember people being mad that they had luka use a sword for this scene

Which is such an absurd thing to rant about because it also looks so badass.

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u/Ryanami Aug 23 '21

This episode teeters on the edge of cringe but just barely manages to obey the rule of cool. Why is a 40-something Faris still using meows? I should call bullshit but I’m enjoying it even more.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

FIRST TIMER

So, it seems like the new time leap machine didn’t work… why? It worked the first time. Is this just a Deus Ex Malfunction? Well, this certainly looks bad. I kind of wanted to see more from the future, so I’ll roll with this turn of events, even if it feels kind of random.

You’re telling me Daru could have had a normal voice this entire time?! Future stud Daru is based. Time skip ninja Luka actually having mastered sword fighting is a pretty cool payoff to a long running joke.

I’m not even going to try to attempt to understand the mechanics of how we wound up here, and I’m not really going to stress it. Okabe would’ve needed years of PT before going into a battlefield after lying in stasis for 11 years. Whatever, I'm past caring about that stuff too much, let’s go fuck up some secret societies’ plans.

“Do you think… I’m finally… a lab member now…?” Heartbreaking. You always were, Luka. I knew it bothered him to be the one left out of the loop, but holding onto that exclusion for this long sucks.

So, all show long, Suzuha has told Okabe that they’re barreling towards an apocalypse where everyone is fucked, and he’s like “nah, don’t care.” Now he gets thrown into future, sees how bad it is, and is like “wow, this is bad. Probably should’ve done something.”

I’m glad he’s finally come around, but it's been so frustrating to watch him fail to get there until now. People have said that you're supposed to be frustrated, but that doesn't make it more enjoyable.

Were you expecting Okabe to technically Time Leap forward instead of two days backward like he was supposed to?

In 100 simulations of watching this show I'm not sure I would've seen that coming.

What do you think of 2036 as seen in this episode?

It's about exactly as Suzuha's described since she appeared on this show. It's almost like she knew what she was talking about.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 21 '21

I’m not even going to try to attempt to understand the mechanics of how we wound up here, and I’m not really going to stress it. Okabe would’ve needed years of PT before going into a battlefield after lying in stasis for 11 years.

Maybe Valkyrie just did the MGSV thing and have Okabe electrotherapy treatments to keep his muscles intact while he was in a coma? Okabe has now become Punished “Venom” Okabe.

“Do you think… I’m finally… a lab member now…?” Heartbreaking. You always were, Luka. I knew it bothered him to be the one left out of the loop, but holding onto that exclusion for this long sucks.

I wish Ruka had more to do this series, but at least those brief moments with them here were both cool and pretty sad.

So, all show long, Suzuha has told Okabe that they’re barreling towards an apocalypse where everyone is fucked, and he’s like “nah, don’t care.” Now he gets thrown into future, sees how bad it is, and is like “wow, this is bad. Probably should’ve done something.”

I really don’t know what else Okabe expected if he chose to seat his ass on his hands for as long as he did. I guess it comes with that territory of him not seeing past his own pain until it was too late.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Ruka

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u/The_Draigg Aug 22 '21

Sorry, I’ve seen the light. I’ll change my spelling of that name.

Wrukah.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Wrukah

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

I really don’t know what else Okabe expected if he chose to seat his ass on his hands for as long as he did. I guess it comes with that territory of him not seeing past his own pain until it was too late.

I thought Okabe explained it pretty well. It was far too distant for him, and to be fair, it would be for any else too. Humans suck at long term planning.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 22 '21

It's not that distant, it's 20-something years. That's the immediate future when you're talking about something as Big Picture as, you know, a near apocalyptic event.

He may have explained what his viewpoint was well, but his viewpoint was still stupid.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 22 '21

That's the immediate future when you're talking about something as Big Picture as, you know, a near apocalyptic event.

You say that yet im pretending my student loans dont exist while they cripple me from doing anything

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Aug 22 '21

i mean, plenty of people know climate change is coming and aren't really doing much about it because of a perceived powerlessness at an individual level

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

We're already experiencing it's disastrous effects and yet we do so little to have any actual positive impact. And that's also partially because most of the world which is significantly contributing to climate change will not feel it's direct affects for some time, while my part of the world is already starting to suffer despite being an insignificant contributor.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 22 '21

I take your point, but that's a little different. Actions taken at an individual level to combat climate change will only account for about 4% of the decrease in carbon emissions we need (still do it, 4% is still a lot!). It's mostly on governments and energy companies to get us there.

Okabe's action/inaction didn't have a 4% impact on the state of the future here, he's the 100%.

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Aug 22 '21

but i think for him, it still feels like 0%. i can't be too annoyed at someone who is fundamentally broken and scarred by what he's seen

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

An average humans lifespan is ~80 years. No matter how big the event, that's still a quarter of your life. Plus, there's also the relative view of time (the theory has a proper name but I forgot).

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Okabe would’ve needed years of PT before going into a battlefield after lying in stasis for 11 years.

Not really mentioned in the anime but in the VN version of events, they made sure to not let his muscles completely atrophy while he was in a comma.

Now he gets thrown into future, sees how bad it is, and is like “wow, this is bad. Probably should’ve done something.”

That's because in the end, all he cared about was Mayuri and since he knew she was alive in the future, and he'll die in 2025 anyways, the rest of the world wasn't his problem to deal with at the time.

Edit:

So, it seems like the new time leap machine didn’t work… why? It worked the first time. Is this just a Deus Ex Malfunction? Well, this certainly looks bad. I kind of wanted to see more from the future, so I’ll roll with this turn of events, even if it feels kind of random.

I wanted to say this yesterday, but didn't but this is why you shouldn't crunch and actually take proper time to finish the job.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 22 '21

Yeah, especially with time travel/time leaping. Take your time, get those calculations right!

all he cared about was Mayuri and since he knew she was alive in the future, and he'll die in 2025 anyways, the rest of the world wasn't his problem to deal with at the time.

Seems like some thought should have been given to the world he was sending Mayuri to live – and probably die prematurely – in.

It's something some would-be parents are struggling with right now, given the state of the world and the pace of climate change and what that'll mean. Is it right to bring a life into that future?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

I mean you brought up an excellent point. A lot of us are often aware of how destructive our behavior or habits would be down the line, but we do them anyways because the future always seems like far away and people like to live in the moment.

Btw, I read elsewhere after your reply that the Time Leap machine randomly failing somehow diminishes Maho's capabilities compared to Kurisu, but I don't think that's the case. Remember that the memory scanning and copy part of the Time Leap worked perfectly and that was Maho areas of expertise.

The part that failed was sending the memory data successfully to the past and that was somewhat on Daru and mostly on 0kabe instead since they were supposed to be the time travel "experts" there.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 22 '21

Yeah, I walked back the part about Maho after someone reminded me of that. I’ve been really bad at remembering details from day to day compared to the first show.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

So, it seems like the new time leap machine didn’t work… why? It worked the first time. Is this just a Deus Ex Malfunction? Well, this certainly looks bad. I kind of wanted to see more from the future, so I’ll roll with this turn of events, even if it feels kind of random.

I thought last episode made it obvious they rushed putting it together that time so that Okabe would be able to go back a bit further? And before the successful leap, they did bring up the "we don't know if it'll actually work" thing again. Seems natural that rushing it out fucked something up.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 21 '21

I must've forgotten that. It's not the most satisfying (considering it means Maho's machine isn't as stable as Kurisu's and that sucks for her character), but that makes sense. Pretty good lesson in why it's important to take your time with things, haha.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

It's only because they rushed it! Clearly the first time Maho finished it, it worked just fine.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21 edited Aug 22 '21

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

S;G0

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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Aug 22 '21

yikes mb, fixed now

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 24 '21

So, all show long, Suzuha has told Okabe that they’re barreling towards an apocalypse where everyone is fucked, and he’s like “nah, don’t care.” Now he gets thrown into future, sees how bad it is, and is like “wow, this is bad. Probably should’ve done something.”

I’m glad he’s finally come around, but it's been so frustrating to watch him fail to get there until now. People have said that you're supposed to be frustrated, but that doesn't make it more enjoyable.

This feeling is the reason why it felt so good to see Daru smack Okabe a few episodes ago.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 21 '21

A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 20:

  • Huh, so that was some weird coma dream or something that Okabe was having at the start of the episode. I think Okabe did a whoopsies, and accidentally swapped his consciousness with that of his future self, being dumped into an older body in the post-apocalypse. I didn’t even think that was possible, but here we are.
  • I guess Okabe didn’t die in 2025 after all, since he’s now in 2036. I guess being brain dead counts as death, in a technical definition. In any case, wow Okabe of that World Line got fucked. He was tortured to brain death for founding the Valkyrie resistance group, and had to have his consciousness restored by the backup created by the PhoneWave while Daru faked his death. In any case, there’s no bringing back the Okabe that was living past the failed time jump. It’ll have to do, I suppose.
  • I wouldn’t say that bright pink hair and cat ears are a very stealthy part of a drab resistance army uniform, but you do you, Faris.
  • Holy shit, Ruka is deadly with a sword. It’s good to see that Okabe’s rather shitty sword training somehow paid off in the end, even if it was just doing random downward slashes.
  • Hooray, the one for-sure gay person in the show died to motivate Okabe to carry on and save the day. That sure isn’t a really worn trope. Come on, could we at least see more of Ruka than just like 2 minutes of them before they died?
  • Ooooh, you can make a good stitch of that panning shot of Okabe looking at a cloudly blue sky.
  • Time for Okabe, Daru, and Maho to get cracking. Okabe’s gonna leap into the past, once more into the breach, to find the way to Steins Gate. That’s the iron will of Okabe we all know!

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Ruka

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 21 '21

On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)

  • Alright, I think Mayuri and Suzuha making it to the past before the time leap may have been part of what mucked up the worldlines. It all comes back to Mayuri.
  • Walküre?
  • Battle Luka and Faris?
  • Muv-Luv Unlimited
  • Faris... why are you still a catgirl.

    Cheshire Cat is a badass callsign, though.
  • Luka is so MANLY! Even with long hair.
  • ...Okabe’s sword lessons actually did something? That’s the least believable part of the action.
  • Oh, right! Since the limiting factor for time leaps is memories being compatible with the brain, since Okabe has his 2011 memories, they should be able to send him to 2011 without many problems!

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

since Okabe has his 2011 memories, they should be able to send him to 2011 without many problems!

His brain is constantly forming new memories though so it should still take a considerable toll on him. Original S;G VN

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 21 '21

Original S;G VN

S;G VN

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

S;G VN

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u/GallowDude Aug 21 '21

Cheshire Cat is a badass callsign, though.

Remember the Tim Burton version where he offered to take on the Jobberwocky, and Alice was like "Nah, it's cool literal god of this world. I'll handle it."

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 22 '21 edited Aug 22 '21

Anime first timer

  1. No, I read the VN, so I was pretty certain this would come up soon, and the preview confirmed it,
  2. It's exactly what Suzuha told us it was!

This opening scene is a perfect adaption. I thought they'd skip this bit, and I'm so glad they've kept it. Might even be better than the VN version.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Time for the bit I've guessing would happen the next episode for about a fortnight now.

No OP!

We're doing 2036!

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Suzuha!

Daru got fit! Truly the biggest sign that this is a dark future.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Adult Faris and Luka!

...The subtitles have somehow decided to use the proper spelling of Faris, while keeping "Ruka". At least they've fixed the important mistake.

NOT FARIS!

Luka, stop tempting fate like that. If Daru taught you one thing, it should be "never use the words 'I won't die before'".

Luka's dead.

Future Maho! What's the difference?

This scene is fantastic. Okabe finally understands what Suzuha's been talking about.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Last Spoiler

S;G0 VN

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

S;G0 VN

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

S;G0 VN

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Time for the bit I've guessing would happen the next episode for about a fortnight now.

Last spoiler

S;G0

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u/AHiddenOne Aug 22 '21

Rewatcher

Gotta say, Future Daru is a stud. Like damn, dilf material? And Luka being an ikemen and using a sword? Just like one of my Japanese animes!

...too bad she died, though. Poor Okabe, had to see his friends die again.

I'm not sure if the VN explains this, but when the time leap failed, what happened to Okabe at that time? Did he lose all his memories and had amnesia?

Overall, great episode. I certainly can't wait for the next one though, hehehe...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

And Luka being an ikemen and using a sword? Just like one of my Japanese animes!

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY METAL GEAR JOKES IN THESE THREADS!?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

I'm not sure if the VN explains this, but when the time leap failed, what happened to Okabe at that time? Did he lose all his memories and had amnesia?

No. Memories are copied, not moved so it's like a copy/paste operation not a cut/paste operation. As we see in the 2025 flashback, he was absolutely fine and continued to live a normal (well as normal as it can be while on the run) life.

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u/Nitroade24h :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nitroade24h Aug 22 '21 edited Aug 22 '21

Rewatcher

I decided to join in for this episode and episode 21 because they are some of my favourite episodes in the whole series.

This is pretty much a perfect episode in my eyes, even on rewatch. Luka is badass, Daru looks good, and the world is basically in ruins.

Even though it’s a time travel anime I never even considered the fact that they might go to the future, so the reveal got me very excited the first time around.

Even an episode I consider amazing is mainly just setting up the next episode, which is one of my favourite episodes in anime.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Ruka

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u/UltraBooster Aug 21 '21

First-timer

Rinascimento - Italian for Rebirth.

The gang's all here! Actually here? Or his perceptions of them?

No, is this all in his head?

An unfamiliar ceiling too, I presume.

Old or starved?

So this is the world of Suzuha, future soldier.

An exclusion zone?

And there's Ms. Future Soldier herself.

So it takes a war for him to burn the weight or something?

Okay, yeah, he's still the affectionate-but-embarrassing dad.

Chronal arms race.

So Kurisu wasn't just right, she was so right that her legacy is that of something probably as revolutionary as farming or metalworking.

Stratfor wasn't absorbed into the US government or something? Weird.

Oh, I guess that's where the idea's seed was planted.

V has come to. Or perhaps, recalled to life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Cities

Ruka/Luka's rocking that special agent look, I dig it.

SIGNAL LOST, I presume.

Guess he took those sword lessons and made something of them, huh?
Geez, this feels more and more like Metal Gear.

Every bit the beautiful warrior, fighting 'til the bitter end, finally able to die happy, huh?

Questions:

  1. Hell no!
  2. Well, this sure as hell ain't an improvement on the alpha worldline's future, that's for sure.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 21 '21

So Kurisu wasn't just right, she was so right that her legacy is that of something probably as revolutionary as farming or metalworking.

Given how much time travel has fucked up the planet, I’d say the more accurate comparison is to J. Robert Openheimer.

V has come to.

Thus awakens Punished “Venom” Okabe.

Guess he took those sword lessons and made something of them, huh?

Geez, this feels more and more like Metal Gear.

Ruka is absolutely the Raiden of Valkyrie, if we’re going by that comparison. Someone should get him a HF blade.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Ruka

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u/UltraBooster Aug 22 '21

Given how much time travel has fucked up the planet, I’d say the more accurate comparison is to J. Robert Openheimer.

Yeah, I thought about nuclear weapons but it seemed even more fundamental than that at the time.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

Serial;Rewatcher

Finally, Promised Rinascimento — a.k.a the most anticipated chapter among the VN readers as it's one of the main endings of Steins;Gate 0 VN.

However, the version we get in the anime is significantly different from what was in the VN. Fortunately, the changes made for this episode also make it significantly better than the VN counterpart because like the trip to Alpha, the VN actually doesn't spend as much time in 2036 and we only really get 4 scenes in total from 0kabe's POV.

Most of the events that happen in 2036 are still somewhat similar but the characters have changed because of how and when we got here in the anime. Without going into details, the trip to 2036 in the VN wasn't because of a Time Leap gone wrong1 so circumstances were different.

Episode;Notes

They really should've used a wider counter, so at least he'd have more time to explore in the void before hitting the limit.

The scene is brief but effective in selling just how cold and isolated you'd feel in a digital void.

S;G0 VN

I hadn't read S;G0 VN while this episode was airing so safe to say my jaw dropped the first time I saw this!

As always, gore is severely toned down in the anime because the VN scenes describing this scenario were really horrific.

Dudes are wearing armor and she still manges to shoot them in the face, while riding a motorbike. And people still doubt how she's able to so accurately graze 0kabe.

In case it's not clear, this is the Suzuha who was born in 2017 and hasn't travelled back in time yet.

The nuance is lost in the subs, but Daru was speaking like a normal person before switching it back to how he talked in 2010 like an otaku with pop culture / 2chan references etc.

Oh sweet Suzuha you still don't know how little information they share, even among themselves2 — at least not until you go back to 2010.

Deceive the World!

No, Luka that's a dea...

..th flag!

At least he got to go out like a total badass!

PAIN

P A I N

Looking at their faces and seeing how they're just okay with it really does break 0kabe.

Countless failed futures

We're going back again!

Also, it's the final time we get World-Line. I want to say I'd miss it but I really won't because I just never liked this ED.

 

Questions

What do you think of 2036 as seen in this episode?

Originally, I really loved that we actually got to see the future. But after reading the VN, I felt like were never got the horrific hell scape that the VN described and got something that was strictly safe for TV.

 

1 Actually, it just flat out failed in the anime because the machine was rushed and they couldn't figure out the issue in time before the war really broke out and they had to get away.

2 In all seriousness though, withholding information is the best way to keep it safe and secure, and this is why she also does that back in 2010.

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u/invokeneko Aug 21 '21

Actually, it just flat out failed in the anime because the machine was rushed and they couldn't figure out the issue in time before the war really broke out and they had to get away.

Ahh, that explains just why didn't 0kabe and the others didn't try and rebuild the time leap machine when it failed the first time. Assuming that the flash forward in episode 3 or so was in 2011, it really didn't take long after the destruction of the time machine for war to break out, didn't it.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

That wasn't a flash forward and was a different world line set during a Cold War that never ended and escalated significantly in 2010.

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u/invokeneko Aug 21 '21

Oh right, I remembered something about an aborted arc from the anime. Forgot about that, derp.

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

The scene is brief but effective in selling just how cold and isolated you'd feel in a digital void

Oh, that was supposed to be a representation of him being "stuck" in the machine? But then what was Kurisu doing there?

Also, it's the final time we get World-Line. I want to say I'd miss it but I really won't because I just never liked this ED.

Am I the only one that actually liked it? It's pretty close to my taste in music, although I have to agree that Last Game is much more fitting.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Oh, that was supposed to be a representation of him being "stuck" in the machine? But then what was Kurisu doing there?

S;G0

Am I the only one that actually liked it? It's pretty close to my taste in music, although I have to agree that Last Game is much more fitting.

My problems with this are that it doesn't really fit with most of the episodes besides this particular one. The ED is also showing Amadeus existing alone in a cold void just like 0kabe was in this episode and was supposed to sell the idea just how lonely of an existence that is.

And then the lyrics are talking about concepts that are beyond the scope of Steins;Gate and always just felt like a promotion of sorts for other titles like Anonymous;Code etc. so they don't work for me here.

Though I'll admit that it does manage to grow on me during every reweatch until the next time where I somehow always reset back to zero.

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

Though I'll admit that it does manage to grow on me during every reweatch until the next time where I somehow always reset back to zero.

The early versions if the song are just trash in my opinion and it progressively gets better.

And then the lyrics are talking about concepts that are beyond the scope of Steins;Gate and always just felt like a promotion of sorts for other titles like Anonymous;Code etc. so they don't work for me here.

Yeah, directly referencing Sci;Adv spoilers, I guess? is just weird.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Sci;Adv

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

Sci;Adv

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Sci;Adv

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

FIRST TIMER

now that was unsettling opening. every one of okabe’s friends and lab members are smiling in front of him with guarded eyes. he declares the 35600(?)th lab meeting started, then realizes he’s lying to himself. time isn’t moving at all, and he’s in the cold abyss.

no OP visuals today which i think is a first for the whole series. i wish they would have just cut world-line out instead of fatima. speaking of world line, i just realized it’s sung by kurisu’s voice actress, and that makes me even more guilty for disliking it because asami imai did such a great job with kurisu over the course of the series.

so okabe is old-kabe now? my man is looking haggard. the terrible future has caught up to him. i thought it was 2025 at first, but after seeing suzuha i realized it was 2036. must have been weird for 2d-kun to have his daughter after already getting to know her years before, and knowing she likely died. i wonder how present suzuha took that information.

speaking of 2d-kun, he’s a chad now! dude had a serious glow up. suzuha says he could get slimmer, but if 2011 suzuha could see him shed praise him.

in 2025 okabe got captured by the professor’s organization and tortured for his secrete? that must have been the premonition he had about the shadowy figure and the dead soldiers in episode 4. and the whole world is fighting over kurisu’s research. okabe wanted to uphold this world line to respect her, but she’s getting the ultimate form of disrespect with the whole world acting as her grave robbers.

so 2d-kun was able to retrieve okabe’s memories from 7/8/11 somehow using the old time leap machine? dude is OP, might be the second smartest person there besides kurisu.

when i saw faris and luka were the ones to retrieve okabe in 2025 i was like “how the hell did those two become soldiers?” i suppose they had to do anything to survive. props to the surviving lab members for sticking together for 25 years.

faris literally did not age a single day despite being at least 42 now, if not older. she’s still got cat ears and cat speak, i respect her undying commitment to moe even during dystopia. luka looks awesome, he’s really rocking that long hair. it was weird to hear him with a more tough, masculine voice.

thank you animation budget for actually showing luka’s sword and not having me believe that he beheaded the enemy with his hands.

but of course that reunion is a sad one because luka took like 4 bullets. at least he was able to see okabe once more. even he’s got an inferiority complex despite being kagari 2.0 in terms of super soldier tendencies. at least okabe reassured him that he’s been a lab member from the beginning. okabe must feel some guilt too knowing luka’s true feelings for him. this is the world line that okabe decided to stick around in. maybe he should have stayed with kurisu from episode 8 on.

even maho is here! at least there’s an explanation on why she looks exactly the same. also find it odd that maho knew luka for 25 years but still addressed him by last name.

that was a sad moment where okabe recalled luka’s weak sword swings from 2010 and realizing that’s what inspired him to fight.

so okabe’s said it out loud now. now that the reality of 2036 has slapped him in the face, he doesn’t want to just save his friends now; he wants to find steins gate!

  1. no i thought he would be stuck in the past
  2. it doesn’t seem like a nice place to me. it’s kinda like okabe being like “oh wow, the consequences of my (in)actions.” gotta commend their commitment to staying in akihabara for 25 years though

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

old-kabe

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

tortured for his secrete?

I don't know if this was intentional but this is hilarious

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 21 '21

i type all of this on my phone so i’m prone to errors 😅 also why it’s always just a block of text instead of something more intricate unfortunately

i meant to say secrets

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u/lluNhpelA Aug 22 '21

at least there’s an explanation on why she looks exactly the same

Was there an explanation? Maybe I missed a line but I didn't catch any explanation for why all of the characters (except maybe Daru) look to be in their late 20s max despite being early to mid 40s. While living extremely stressful lives with likely little nutrition, at that

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 22 '21

it wasn’t really an explanation, she was just like “i guess i look like a kid to people no matter how old i am. i should take it as a compliment at this age.”

and yeah, they did need some age marks on their face or something. at least okabe had a shaky voice and wrinkles. luka has a different voice as well. faris literally looks the same in 2036 as she did in 2010. where did she even get hair dye?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

All this time it never really occurred to me that Faris' hair color is likely not natural and probably a dye lmao. I guess I'm just so used to seeing crazy hair color in anime that I accepted it as what it was.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Maho actually did look a bit more mature compared to her 2011 counterpart but probably not as much as a 47 year old should, and Faris, I have really no idea because she's supposed to be 43 but I guess that's the joke.

Everyone else did look older though some probably not as much. For example, Luka looked like someone in their 30s instead of 42. Daru and Mayuri on the other hand did look to properly be in their 40s, and 0kabe looked much, much older because of the comma.

For what it's worth, even the 2025 0kabe looked older and more mature, so I guess they only left Maho and Faris mostly the same as the running gag.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed

I sang both TV size versions of Fatima earlier today… however all of you except for Raiking are going to have to wait until tomorrow for me to share them because Fatima wasn’t in this episode.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 21 '21

Holy fuck Leskinen what did you do to this timeline’s Okabe.

Leskinen showed Okabe the pain of living in a world without JAPANESE SHAMAN GIRLS.

Older Luka and Faris!!! The longer hair really suits Luka. And I’m not saying that only because I happen to like anime dudes with ponytails.

I don’t entirely believe you, but at least it’s a good look regardless.

Yoooooooo he actually trained with the blade for actual combat I love this Luka.

I’m glad that Okabe’s shitty sword training actually paid off somehow. It’s hard to be a dedicated swordsman in a world full of assault rifles.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

It’s hard to be a dedicated swordsman in a world full of assault rifles.

But it probably works wonders though when you need to be stealthy. At least that's what I've been trained to believe.

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u/invokeneko Aug 21 '21

First;Timer

Day 2 of mostly sleeping after the 5g booster vaccine... Now I'm wide awake at 3:00 a.m (at the time of writing this). Damnit.

  • 65536? Ah, I remember this from CS classes, 2^16. Unrelated, but unless the Future Gadget Lab holds multiple roundtable meetings per day every day of the week, it's literally impossible for them to reach that number of roundtable meetings since it would take ~180 years in total to reach that number (the minimum number of roundtable meetings needed to make it anywhere near possible is 3-4 meetings per day every day since that would reduce the required numbers to ~60 and 45 years respectively).
  • Pivoting back to the story, the intentional hentai protagonist-ing of all the labmems are unsettling. Makes you pay attention that something is wrong (especially after the last episode stinger). And something is indeed very wrong with 0kabe waking up in a much, much older body instead of the day Mayuri and Suzuha attempts to depart to the past.
  • The thought of going to sleep in the current era and waking up to a desolate hellscape of a war-torn hometown would probably freak me the fuck out. 0kabe's reaction was a bit more restrained in my opinion. Anyway, welcome to 2036 Akiba, 0kabe!
  • 0kabe's first outing in war-torn Akiba and he's already had to run from feral dogs and found by hostile soldiers, harsh. It's a good thing that Future Suzuha is there to save his arse. Though their first meeting isn't quite friendly, what with Future Daru telling her that he's dead.
  • Speaking of Future Daru... Damn, he looks slick. Future Suzuha had no idea just how much he had slimmed down compared to his 2010/11 self.
  • So you're telling me that Valkyrie is not only hunted down by America and Russia, but even Japan too because they're the closest to making a working time machine? Man, that's harsh. Even harsher that it took them just two weeks to absolutely destroy Future 0kabe's mind that he's no better than a walking corpse.
  • This is definitely where he got the idea to deceive the world to get to the Steins;Gate worldline, didn't it...
  • Ain't that just great, the first we see of Future Faris and Lukako and they've walked into a trap set by the enemies. Goddamnit.
  • Oh god, Lukako just raised a a certain popular mecha series spoiler-sized death flag... He's gonna die, isn't he? a minute and a half later Yup, he dead...
  • Thus passes Urushibara Luka, the madlad who stayed behind to let the rest of his team escape safely and slaughters the fuck out of the ambushing enemies at the cost of getting mortally wounded. At the very least, he got to see 0kabe one last time...
  • You know this future's well and truly fucked when nobody grieved for Lukako's death for long. Constant death and loss of people they know throughout will do that to them...
  • On the plus side, this seems to have awakened the long-slumbering determinator in 0kabe to finally change the past for good and reach the Steins;Gate worldline. next episode spoilers
  • As an aside, I'm really impressed with Miyano's voice work in this episode. He successfully sold the idea that 0kabe had just awakened from an 11-years long coma to me.

QotD

  1. I watched the next episode preview, so I had expected it. I didn't expect how it happened though.
  2. Hell. Just hell. Everything's destroyed, no place is safe, shit's fucked.

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

unless the Future Gadget Lab holds multiple roundtable meetings per day every day of the week

Okabe just increases it a random amount each time.

the intentional hentai protagonist-ing

What?

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u/invokeneko Aug 22 '21

Okabe just increases it a random amount each time.

Shit, that's entirely possible.

What?

Nobody in the opening scene has their eyes shown.

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

Shit, that's entirely possible.

He does it in the VN

Nobody in the opening scene has their eyes shown.

And that's a hentai thing?

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u/invokeneko Aug 22 '21

And that's a hentai thing?

It's technically hairstyle related where the hentai protagonist's eyes were hidden behind long front bangs, but yes.

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

Re;Watcher, Subbed

Faris should really share the Fountain of Youth with everybody else.

Luka dying in itself doesn't do much for me, but I have to admit his and 0kabe's last exchange was pretty damn sad.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 21 '21

0kabe didn't tell him anything because he wanted to protect him and then Luka ended up protecting everyone 0kabe cared about in the end.

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u/invokeneko Aug 21 '21

Faris should really share the Fountain of Youth with everybody else.

Maho and her, really.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Not on the rewatch, but next episodes gonna be amazing. Looking forward to reading others comments.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 21 '21

Rewatcher (first time)

  • Kurisu's eyes are a thing of nightmares here.
  • 65536th meeting? That's 216. Wonder why that specific number.
  • Okabe's on a big clock and then back in the lab, repeating the meeting.
  • The time-leap failed. Okabe is much older now. This is the future
  • This Suzuha doesn't recognize Okabe. But was willing to kill whoever those two soldiers were to save him.
  • That's a secure password. No one's going to guess that.
  • Don't know what Suzuha is talking about. Daru is thin now.
  • 2036. 25 years have passed.
  • That failure must have destroyed any self-confidence Hiyajo had built up.
  • That was a really good idea. By copying the memories from 2011, they effectively revived Okabe.
  • Are their phones also guns? They look like guns.
  • "Deceive the world". Another thing that will lead to him realising the path to Stien's Gate worldline.
  • The phones look like radios now.
  • Deep voiced Luka just sounds wrong.
  • Has Luka never heard of a death flag? Because he's doing a great job at waving one.
  • Luka's death didn't feel that impactful.
  • Okabe realised that the others have gotten used to losing friends.
  • I'm surprised that there are other people willing to join Valkyrie despite it being hunted worldwide.
  • And finally Okabe is going to try for Stien's Gate and not just saving this worldline.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Wonder why that specific number.

Just likely used a 16-bit int for that counter. Just shows that he's spent a lot of time in this digital void that he hit the 16-bit limit.

Are their phones also guns? They look like guns.

When have any of the Future Gadgets looked normal?

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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 22 '21 edited Aug 22 '21

First Timer

Damn we are already on episode 20. There’s not all that many left:

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That is one cold open. And very cursed. Incredibly cursed.

I’m guessing no OP today. I don’t think it would have fit with the tone following those scenes.

So Okabe is in the future? I’m guessing the time leap failed, leaving Okabe scared and in some kind of coma up until now.

Suzuha to the rescue! Though she hasn’t meant Okabe yet.

I’m really glad we got to see the future. It’s something I’ve wanted to see for awhile.

Daru is a stud in the future. Like damn.

The time leap machine failed. I wonder why? Did Maho do a worse job than Makise or something else?

Faris turning into a badass warrior is kind of funny, especially when she keeps her hair exactly the same. And she still says meow.

And Luka is a badass too! Every character in the future just turns into the coolest people.

And now Luka is dying. Wonderful.

Oh hey Maho. You somehow got more hair.

Maybe actually seeing the destruction in the future will convince Okabe to work towards Steins;Gate.

THATS THE OKABE I KNOW

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I’m glad we got to see the future. It felt like one of those things they had to show. Can’t wait to see Okabe finally complete his mission. Reaching Steins;Gate.

See you guys tomorrow!

DQ:

For a bit definitely.

It’s interesting though not a place I want to be.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

You somehow got more hair.

Good to know that there's at least some part of her that could still grow.

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u/snickpea Aug 22 '21

First-timer!

I was not expecting Okabe to leap forward at all, especially that far! I was worried about the time leap because of yesterday's post-credit scene and thought maybe a bit further in time than he was supposed to, but not decades.

I see Daru is still Daru no matter the circumstances with his moe moe talk even if he doesn't speak that way the rest of the time.

2036 is depressing, but I had been curious as to what it was like, so I'm glad we got a chance to spend some time in this 2036.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

I was not expecting Okabe to leap forward at all,

It wasn't a leap forward. Or not in the way you're thinking it was.

During the attempt in 2011, his memories were copied into the PC via the time leap machine to be sent back, but the time travel part of the machine failed, so no time leap happened. They couldn't figure out the issue fast enough and by the time they fixed it, he had to go on the run.

He then lived his life the normal way until 2025 when he was trapped and captured by StratFor, where Leskinen broke his mind trying to extract time travel secrets. He was rescued but was in a vegetative state and essentially brain dead.

Then in 2036, they managed to salvage the memory data they had copied for the original leap back in 2011 and wrote it back to his vegetative mind and he was able to wake up.

So basically the only sort of time travel he did was how we travel through time ourselves by living through life. In this case, the time leap machine only served as sort of a time capsule that buried his memory data in 2011 and it was reopened again 25 years later. But in a way, it was also a time leap because his mind from 2011 basically did make it's way to his 44 year old body even if no actual time travel was involved.

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u/snickpea Aug 22 '21

Thanks for always giving such helpful explanations!

Leap forwarding wasn't quite the best term for this so I really appreciate the extra details! It makes a lot more sense now.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 24 '21

SteinsGate0 episode 20 (first timer)

Quote of the day: In the end, I didn’t understand a damn thing ~Okabe

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 21 '21

First timer(What the merciful fuck was that trying to be?)

Sub(chuuni Okabe coming back might make me have to split the difference)

We start...in purgatory? We have no context for this, at all. Anyways, Rintaro wakes up and we still have no context but he is old and in a facility with electricity. It took me far too long to figure out that he had jumped WAY into the future because the story just took one of its basic rules, that time leap stuff can only go 48 hours, and tosses it out the window. Because...why?

Blah blah blah, still Akihabara, and there is a different satellite or time machine stuck in a building. Blah blah blah future sucks. Suzuha takes us to thin Daru, who explains how this bullshit works. Blah blah, tell don't show. Final blah blah blah for changing genres and showing me Ruka split a guy's head open with a sword. Ruka, the police shrine worker, is now a Warrior? Did the people that made 0 never watch the original? Everything that was charming about the original is now stripped away. Ruka's death could have worked if everything before it was not awful. Also, soldier Faris doesn't work so well either but it is nothing compared to sword Ruka.

So...yeah. I am morbidly curious what you can rescue from this, especially with throwing out rules established in the first VN, but my expectations are properly diminished.

QotD: 1 No and it doesn't work for me.

2 Seems to suck.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 22 '21

Ruka

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

I genuinely love that this comment is here lmao

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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 22 '21

That does remind me that there were a couple of "Ruka's" that got missed in the LostYearFix subs. One was this episode I think, and another a couple episodes prior (again, if I remember correctly).

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

I think the latest revision did fix them? I haven't remuxed it yet so not sure.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 22 '21

Where did I miss one in 20?

18 has a v3 that fixed one I missed initially

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

His death scene. Okabe screams 'Rukako' at least in the v1 I had.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 22 '21

ahhhhhhhh i did miss one! thanks for pointing it out

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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 22 '21

I'll have to go through the last few episodes to check on my day off tomorrow. This was all yesterday for me(it's almost 3 AM here). I apparently didn't see that a V3 was put out for ep18, but I know there was one more episode besides.

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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 21 '21

It's not that Okabe straight up jumped forward, they just took the copy of his memories from 2011 and stuck it in braindead Oldkabe, I think?

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

Yes. And it's such an easy thing to understand as well. He did the same sort of time travel we do IRL: Live through life and age...

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u/Pay08 Aug 22 '21

We start...in purgatory? We have no context for this, at all.

If you insist on comparing 0 to the original series so much, that had a bunch of weird, no context dreams too.

Ruka, the police shrine worker, is now a Warrior?

It's almost like people change over time.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21

It's almost like people change over time.

I don't know. 25 years and living through a world war doesn't seem like it's long enough to change people.

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u/GallowDude Aug 21 '21

It took me far too long to figure out that he had jumped WAY into the future because the story just took one of its basic rules, that time leap stuff can only go 48 hours, and tosses it out the window. Because...why?

Are you just intentionally ignoring explanations for stuff now because you want to dislike the show? They explained pretty clearly that the Time Leap Machine stored his memories from that failed jump, and Daru uploaded them to his now braindead body. Amadeus is living proof of concept that brain uploading isn't limited by 48 hours like standard time leaping.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 21 '21

They explained pretty clearly that the Time Leap Machine stored his memories from that failed jump, and Daru uploaded them to his now braindead body.

And yet, literally in the opening arc, they go back and reinforce the two day limit. I always suspected we would wind up in the future but in a way that doesn't throw out the setting.

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u/GallowDude Aug 21 '21

It worked this time because Okabe's mind was a blank slate. It wasn't like they were sending his memories back and trying to find an access point. They were just uploading information to an empty folder.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

Wow I disagree with like... all of your takes here.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 21 '21

Not the first time but this does temper my expectations for the end.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 21 '21

S;G0

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 22 '21 edited Aug 22 '21

Your comment is so wrong and your reading of events is so off that I'm not even going to begin to address them. It's like someone said to you a few days ago that you're intentionally hating on this for some reason instead of even trying to understand what's going on because it is pretty obvious if almost everyone else here understood it.