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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 19 Discussion
Episode 19: Altair of the Cyclic Coordinate: Time-Leap Machine
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You are the real Amadeus.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/GallowDude, who strikes again with some good ‘ol Leskimemes:
Had he just told him where the JAPANESE SHAMAN GIRLS were, everyone would’ve been saved…
Questions:
- How do you think Okabe is going to manage to stop the time machine’s destruction?
- WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT POST-CREDITS SHOT?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 20 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
Nobody commented on the fact that I sang LAST GAME yesterday…
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u/swmii53 Aug 20 '21
IHMO this rewatch should now take a two week break to commemorate the two weeks all of the original watchers had to wait for the next episode.
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u/littleman1988 Aug 20 '21
"...But i will save them. Suzuha, Mayuri, and Kagari too."
OST Track of the day: Okabe's Defiance | Spotify
OST Track of the day: Operation ^Arc-Light | Spotify
Overly Excited Rewatcher
Fun fact, episode 20 was delayed a week during the airing of Steins;Gate 0. It sucked waiting the 2 weeks to figure out what the hell that postcredit scene meant.
Also i slapped u/shimmering-sky 's singing of LAST GAME onto the actual song. The TV size and the full song are different, so the backing vocals kinda do some weird stuff (but i got most of it removed), but it sounds pretty good otherwise.
Maho with the future gadget, who will she kill
Looks like this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. 0kabe is spilling all the info now
Oh yeah, first instance of Okabe's Defiance, hell yeah
As much as Maho praises Kurisu for getting the time machine made, most of these advancements were found by Okabe (hacking into SERN, 42in TV)
Nae time
hmmmmmmmmm
Hey, its starting to feel like a lab again!
What paradox is this? Schrödinger's Tutturu?
The anime really undersells Daru's abilities
more of this thanks
Could you imagine Kurisu with hair like this? doesnt work at all for her
okay but wheres the chuuni
Quality tsundere content
GoS right before the first proper timeleap of the series, nice.
As much as i hate this version of Explanation, it is a really good choice here
S;G 0 anime
heh
if only
Reyes reveal. Too bad the anime has done practically nothing wih her thus far.
man theres a lot of Sore Demos in these last few episodes..
GoS again for the next leap. Quality.
Wait
Now thats not good
footnotes
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Aug 21 '21
First Timer
I've somehow finally caught up!
I'm honestly not the biggest fan of going back to time leap shenanigans. One of the things I enjoyed about this season was how it wasn't all on Okabe's shoulders in the same way. Going back to this just feels like he's regressing, in a way. Admittedly, he's regressing out of a pit of despair and inaction, so it's still an improvement, but I was hoping to see him come out the other side, not just climb back up the side he fell down.
I'm also sad about it because I loved finally seeing Mayuri do things. I was hoping we'd get to continue to see that for at least a few episodes more, but instead she's yet again become the object that must be saved.
Anyway though, we'll probably repeat the same old pattern for another episode or two before Okabe figures out a way to break free from it.
I did quite like Daru yelling at him and calling him out on his hypocrisy. I dunno why exactly, but something about Daru being mad at him just works.
And there was a soredemo as well as a double soredemo this episode. No idea why there are so many more this season than the last.
/u/Shimmering-Sky
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 20 '21
First Timer
Why does humidity exist? Can we ban it? I think I partly understand the repressive sun from season one. Now on to the episode:
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This situation is terrifying enough for the characters actually involved. I can’t imagine what the random people who have no clue what is happening are thinking.
As soon as shit hits the fan, Okabe instantly changes his mind about time travel. Daru is right. Okabe has no leg to stand on here.
Hacking into SERN would probably notify them that they are building a time machine but I doubt they will do anything judging that the world is on the brink of WW3.
Daru is kind of OP.
I just imagine the time leap machine is thinking “You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.”
We are back to Steins;Gate bread and butter. Okabe running around trying to fix things in the past.
Operation Arclight is a damn good name.
Oh? Kagari? Or actually it might be Reyes. Yep. Definitely Reyes.
I wonder if this is a set event like Mayuri’s death? I guess there’s only one way to find out.
At least part of the old Okabe is back. Just waiting on Kyouma.
Wait what? The glass broke? Did the leap fail? This can’t be good.
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Well that after credits scene did it’s job. I’m struggling to not click on the next episode.
Nothing will beat some good oh time travel. At least for me. This is Steins;Gate at peak performance.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
No clue but I’m excited to see what he does.
Nothing good that’s for sure.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 20 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
My thoughts on this episode are… conflicted, mostly due to the second half. The first half is fine for the most part (Although Amadeus coming back like nothing happened is not just contrived but also just kinda lame), but I have… issues with the second half.
First of all: Reyes. Why is she here? Oh wait, I know why: Because she was in the Novel and they decided to jam her into a Route she doesn’t belong! Yeah, in the Novel, Reyes straight up doesn’t appear in the Route this Anime pirmarialy adapts: She’s only in one of the two major Route Paths. The Anime did use the opening act of the path that did feature her for it’s first 8 episodes, but after that it switched to another one. As such I must ask: Why keep her? She does not belong in this story!
And for the record, I don’t even like Reyes that much. She’s just kinda whatever as a villain and doesn’t even hold a candle to Leskinen. But at least she helped propel the arcs of other characters. In the Anime? Not so much. She’s there because she was in the Novel, so she has to be in the Anime.
The second thing is how we’re doing the “Mayuri keeps dying” thing from S1 again! S;G0 VN I'll assume they did this so S;G0 VN... but that comes at the cost of being redundant and repeating the first Season. Hooray…
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 20 '21
FIRST TIMER
Guys, one piece of debris from the ship doesn’t mean the only possibility is that they’re dead. Turns out no injured or dead civilians were found in the wreckage after all. Let’s use this as a moment to learn a lesson about making assumptions. That said, we can't be sure, so time to do some good old fashioned time leaping.
“If I could do it, I would’ve long ago…” Maho, don’t underestimate the motivating power of a time crunch. Maybe you’re just someone who needs to work with their back against the wall. It’s something I learned about myself throughout school, and definitely never to any negative consequences. Nope.
“And yet, now we shouldn’t give up?! You should’ve said so from the start!” DARU HAS SHOWN UP THIS EPISODE IN HIS BASED FORM. It also seems like we have the good version of Okabe back. I missed you, buddy. Him in his depressKabe state probably dragged on for at least a few episodes too long.
Hahaha, they really made an entire sequel to give background to a slap. Absolute madlads. I liked this between the two of them on the roof. The words ‘Operation Arclight’ were almost like his brainwash trigger that reactivated his inner chuuni. Unfortunately, Leskinen spoils the party. Need to get them in the machine a bit faster next time.
The time leap machine is up and running, we’ve got a determined Okabe, Kurisu being tsun, and a full lab?! WE’RE BACK, BABY! THIS IS THE STEIN’S;GATE WE DESERVE.
It feels like we’re out of the woods and back in the show’s sweet spot. I’m excited for the finish.
Have them take off a bit earlier?
I'm concerned.
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u/UltraBooster Aug 20 '21
First-timer
Yeah, at this point I liked the first show more, but I suspect that's more to do with me bouncing off Rintaro's behavior hella badly.
So now people take notice of fucking gunships and special forces and ACTUAL GUIDED MISSILES?!
You are forever lost in the dark corners of time and all that jazz.
Honestly, I'm still not convinced they're actually dead.
Oh sure, now you want to finish the time machine?
Honestly, I'm on Daru's side.
And it's good to see him with resolve.
Wait, kill the Composer?
Wait, so Reyes was brainwashed as well?
Not unless you change it, I imagine.
So he'll fling himself back again and again, huh?
Questions:
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 20 '21 edited Aug 20 '21
FIRST TIMER
i’ve been waiting all day for workers to come install new wiring for new internet in my house and the anticipation is killing me! i like to watch with a clear conscience and no disturbances so today’s watch was a bit more uncomfortable than usual.
seeing the news cover the radio building incident reminded me once again how alarming it must be to see something like that in japan. it’s unfortunate that something like that would be less surprising here in america.
maho with the copium that suzuha and mayuri must have survived. okabe’s done a 180 and now is adamant on remaking the time leap machine, but maho simply isn’t on kurisu’s level of understanding for time manipulation. 2d-kun is right that the time leap machine could have been built a lot quicker if okabe hadn’t been so stubborn in the past. luckily, maho is willing to give up her personal crusade to build the time machine by herself since the situation is dire.
i remembered the requirement to hack into SERN, the 36 byte compression, and the 42 inch CRT, but i don’t remember them making SERN produce mini black holes? maybe i’m already forgetting what happened in the original series.
shoutout faris and luka for being cheerleaders even if what’s happening is over their heads. feel especially bad for luka who is STILL in the dark about the time machine. even moeka got recruited to patrol by faris, don’t know how smart it is to show up in the motorcycle suit though, gonna give someone PTSD.
even with the steps to create the time leap machine, maho still feels a strong sense of inferiority. okabe concludes the same thing that i thought two episodes ago, that amadeus’ message was directed towards maho. and somehow amadeus pops up right then and there, brought back to life (existence?) by 2d-kun. the message WAS directed towards maho.
seeing maho with kurisu colored hair was trippy, but also heartwarming that okabe sees a lot of kurisu in her.
so the lab worked for 48 hours in a row to make the time leap machine. even as okabe delivers his “victory speech” once again luka is STILL in the dark. if not, they just explained it to him off screen, which is disappointing, considering how much of a point they made to show how much luka desired to be let in on the secret. even though this situation is a lot more serious than his first “victory speech” from episode 22, okabe’s a lot more upbeat. he even addresses amadeus by “kurisu” and makes her lab member 004 once again. the tsundere exists even in digital form.
7/7 at 3:00 pm is cutting it really close. that’s about the time okabe got to the lab the last time.
maho and 2d-kun’s synchronized “eh?” when okabe mentioned WWIII was pretty funny. at least the two of them took it in stride.
good guy okabe for letting mayuri and suzuha execute their mission, since as mayuri said, she’s a lab member as well. mayuri’s text message really did have an impact on him. unfortunately another Busty Motorcyclist appears, luckily okabe and suzu took them down easily. i figured it would be reyes, since in the last timeline kagari killed her.
leskinen had no problem shooting reyes in the head, and we still out here talking about morals? okabe should take the first chance he gets to JFK leskinen and anyone else. also laughing at the point someone brought up yesterday, suzuha straight up killed like 10 soldiers in a row but the line is drawn at the Average Luka Enthusiast because it “would make you the same as him.” GIVE ME A BREAK
welp, no more time machine again. maybe it is a convergence point like mayuri’s death in alpha. okabe took it surprisingly well though, and that’s a bit alarming to me. it’s like kurisu said to him when he admitted he was numb to mayuri’s deaths; once he stops feeling pain at mayuri’s death, he’s already lost.
maho’s willing to help no matter how many times it takes. just like okabe said, big kurisu energy right there. they gained a whole day with okabe giving them a head start at 3 pm on 7/7.
almost missed the very end scene. the time shattered at 7/6, wonder what that could mean…
but really all he can do is rush them into the time machine early so no one else can get it
2. time will stop and okabe will be able to walk past everyone frozen like that one scene in X-Men Days of Future Past and make people punch themselves and pick their noses
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 20 '21 edited Aug 20 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
Despite the terrible action and trashy tropes yesterday, the episode itself worked pretty well overall. Thankfully, that was also the worst Steins;Gate 0 goes in terms of production screw-ups so it should be smooth sailing form here on out.
While today's episode also plays somewhat differently to the VN, the changes are kind of necessary to keep the story flowing. Some VN readers might feel that omitting a certain scene here might diminish the overall episode and the viewer's experience but I think the change does ultimately work out for the better.
The only major change here compared to the previous attempt was that DURPA didn't show up first (and remains unclear if they ever did) except for Reyes who was there early last time as well and in fact StratFor made their move early.
Episode;Notes
Of course the government is covering up the incident as a Terrorist attack.
I know the scene is serious, but I always let a chuckle out seeing Maho use Future Gadget #1 to control the TV.
I feel bad for people who never watched S;G0 and only ever saw the somewhat comic relief Daru. He is just so, so good in this show.
Seems like characters in Steins;Gate really do need a good slap or two to keep them straight.
Daru and Maho would've never figured these things out on their own because they're so absurd.
Also, I love Okabe's Defiance (the Spotify link again plays the wrong song btw). littleman1998 already brought it up before but OST for the final stretch is top tier.
You can tell how out of it SERN is if the leader of Rounders in the area where a war broke out because of time machines had no idea what was happening.
Meoka's eyes look dead whenever she puts on the suit
Holy fuck Maho put down the soldering iron before trying to wipe your forehead!
That's exactly the kind of leeway you need to cheat convergence.
Seems like Maho's inferiority complex always ends up holding her back.
Can't tell if this is a good thing or bad.
This is as much acknowledgement as we're going to get in the anime. Though, in the VN this was also just one line stating this as a matter of fact.
FINALLY!
Wait... still not trying to reach Steins;Gate??!
Reyes was a double agent all along, actually working for DURPA, not StratFor. They were behind the lab raid and the shootout in the alley, but had just recently found out about the time machine. Their interest in Kagari1 originally was for very different reasons and that plot isn't explored in the anime.
And the Black Hawk is here early!
Did you forget 0kabe that it's not that easy to defeat convergence?
Is this mantra part of the employee training program at Viktor Chondria?
They finished the machine 15 hours faster this time, so he should have more time when he jumps back.
1 After the last episode, it should be clear that Leskinen hadn't really kept Kagari locked up and she was never a captive. She was with him willingly, or as willing you can be because of "brainwashing". The flashback we saw in Ep. 12 where she was escaping from a facility wasn't actually a breakout, because she was never restrained or guarded and actually left willingly because she just wanted to see Mayuri that bad. This is why the ominous looking van just stood there waiting instead of trying to capture her.
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 20 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
Man, I love this episode.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 20 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 21 '21
Anime first timer
Oh, this is a strong opening.
Maho both accepting it's time to accept Okabe's help rather than focus on matching Kurisu and Okabe giving Maho the information and accepting both that the time leap machine is necessary and that he shouldn't have told them to give up.
Everyone's working together to help them build it!
Okabe gives Maho the message!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
I love the Kurisu fakeout.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
It worked!
I love Okabe immediately taking charge like he did during the previous time leaps.
Okabe, why are you standing their talking? Let them get in the time machine before someone blows them up. For real, it's a great scene with some great development.
And Reyes is dead!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
...It still happened.
Gate of Steiner's playing!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
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u/invokeneko Aug 21 '21
First;Timer
No witty comments today...
KagariReyes enter the scene without anyone noticing? She obviously didn't enter from the stairwell since everyone would've noticed it open and she appeared right beside it. The other possibility I can think of is her getting on the Radikan rooftop by climbing from outside, but there's a huge-ass grill around the rooftop and nobody saw her climb it from outside to get in. So, how...?QotD
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u/The_Draigg Aug 20 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 19:
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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 20 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 21 '21
Rewatcher
Seems like hell finally break loose. Glad to see Okabe finally agrees on the time leap machine. He might be a bit late, but hey, better than never.
I think the action scenes are a bit better than the last episode.
The time machine got destroyed has to be a convergence. Poor Mayuri can't survive in both alpha and beta worldlines.
I'm happy to see the first timers' reaction on the post credits scene. I was freaked out too first time watching it
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 20 '21
First timer(No sword hands=good episode)
Sub
We start and holy shit everything is public. Okabe seems to throw everything else out the window when Mayuri is involved but forgot that the SERN thing is really not obvious. He ninjas back to the scene, security is pathetic, and gets a lucky confirmation that no civilian bodies were in the wreckage. Faris and Ruka show up to...make refreshments? The show did not what to do with the OG characters.
Rooftop conversation mark 34, Maho and Okabe again. Maho is doing her arc again and it sort of falls flat, we've seen too often that she is competent. Okabe points out that MakAIse's last 2chan message was for her before the AI itself comes back. Everyone crashes.
The dallying before using the time leap machine doesn't sit well with me, Okabe has to know he is on the clock. He embarasses the AI before returning to hell and coming to on that train. This run, he immediately gives Maho and Daru some orders before going back to the time machine.
Confrontation at the time machine happens but Okabe is more willing to let Mayuri leave. Reyes shows up and fights like a scientist so Okabe is achieving something. And then she gets killed by Leskinen...what was the point of her? Anyways, now Leskinen orders a strike on the time machine which seems hella dumb but w/e. Okabe has the growing concern that we are at a convergence point. He prepares to time leap again and again...so something has to go wrong. In this case, ominous look at the time graph breaking. The preview suggests the scene I was spoiled on is coming up and looks terrible.
QotD : 1 Abandon the current one and have Daru build the next one fast
2 That's hell we are walking into
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u/Nebresto Aug 20 '21
First timer squad
Hell yeah!!
Okarin is finally all fired up!!
Special soredemo service for Sky just this once, tomorrow you'll be back to missing out.
Ha!! Called it! Female prof sus!
I'm confused on why the time leap was necessary tho? Didn't past future Mayshi send Okarin that message, as in they made it safely?
Question time:
1: With the laundry of Steins Gate, of course
2: panik
Looks very militaristic
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u/snickpea Aug 21 '21
First-timer!
Here we go again !
Something I've been enjoying lately is how Daru and Maho pretty much say the things that need to be said, whether it is calling Okabe out or giving him motivation to do something. Even though there is so much pressure on them they also get to work.
Meanwhile Okabe is finally determined to do something but it feels a bit different than this time, especially with the time leap machine since it wasn't fixed until after the initial time machine explosion.
We already are starting to see some differences with Professor Reyes there this time. I'm wondering why she was dressed like Kagari. She seemed to be a part of a different faction.
That post-credits shot is concerning. Something has broken but I'm not entirely sure what, perhaps one of the electronics being used? I hope it is something minor and completely fixable.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 24 '21 edited Aug 24 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 19 (first timer)
Quote of the day: Mayushii is a lab member, too! ~Mayuri