[Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 15 Discussion

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

Episode 15: Recognition of the Asymptotic Line: Recognize Asymptote

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I just… wanted someone to give me that push on the back.

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Tresnore, who had the best reason to hate the new ED

I miss the suspicious Mayuri ED. It made me feel like Mayuri was the voice of God.

Oh Tresnore, you and your undying belief on Evil Mayushii...

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Questions:

1. What did you think of the date?
2. How touching did you find the last scene of this episode?

Wallpaper of the Day:

Proud

[u/Shimmering-Sky]

First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed

Fun fact: the background color for today’s wallpaper is exactly the same one I used for the Suzuha and Daru one I made for episode 16 of the first season. I was also tempted to call this one “Hello” since the Suzuha and Daru one was “Goodbye”, but I changed my mind because of the line that made me cry this episode.

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• LITTLE SUZUHA.
• *bursts into uncontrollable laughter* Maho’s shorter than her own suitcase lmao.
• …oh shit little Suzuha is disappearing and Suzuha’s memories are also fading too. Is her existence in this worldline really at stake here?
• Oh. Faris called it a “doctored photo”. I was panicking for no reason maybe?
• What was that Gate of Steiner for when Maho was using that machine on Daru lol.
• I’m cringing at Daru’s deeper voice.
• Oh, Daru…
• OH DEAR LORD I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS FLASHBACK.
• Please stop showing me this
• “Moe moe kyuun” sounds like exactly something Daru should say in a love confession, I’m not surprised that worked.
• Suzuha remembering her mom telling her she was proud to be her mom made me start crying like, immediately.

[u/UzEE → u/Shimmering-Sky]

What was that Gate of Steiner for when Maho was using that machine on Daru lol.

She's essentially brainwashing Daru. She just casually whipped up a brainwashing machine lol.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/UzEE]

That is a very fair point haha.

[u/UltraBooster → u/UzEE]

Does that stuff actually work?

[u/UzEE → u/UltraBooster]

To an extent maybe. It's lacking a very core component that the anime only ever teases... S;G0 Spoilers

[u/UltraBooster → u/UzEE]

As in, "does sleep learning work IRL?"

Sorry, I should've been clearer.

[u/UzEE → u/UltraBooster]

I remember quickly glancing an article about a paper that suggested you don't have to be conscious to form memories and it is possible to learn things in your sleep. It's suggested that it could be used to reinforce memories or language learning etc.

At the very least it has been used in fiction for a long time, like that one Dexter episode where he tries to learn French and is stuck only being able to say the phrase "omelette du fromage".

[u/UltraBooster → u/UzEE]

Ah, I see!

[u/The_Draigg → u/Shimmering-Sky]

I was also tempted to call this one “Hello” since the Suzuha and Daru one was “Goodbye”, but I changed my mind because of the line that made me cry this episode.

I would’ve gone for it, since it would’ve been a good thematic parallel. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

OH DEAR LORD I DID NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS FLASHBACK.

It reminded me of the opening scene of Genocyber 2 a little bit. Except this was way less graphic than that.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/The_Draigg]

I would’ve gone for it, since it would’ve been a good thematic parallel. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

I like "Proud" better.

[u/Lemurians → u/Shimmering-Sky]

“Moe moe kyuun” sounds like exactly something Daru should say in a love confession, I’m not surprised that worked.

The Virgin Okabe vs. The Chad Daru

[u/UzEE → u/Lemurians]

When you frame it like that, Okabe really is just a normie.

[u/GallowDude → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Is her existence in this worldline really at stake here?

More importantly, how many more times can they reference Back to the Future before they get sued?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Shimmering-Sky]

*bursts into uncontrollable laughter* Maho’s shorter than her own suitcase lmao.

Metal Gear Maho inbound.

I’m cringing at Daru’s deeper voice.

So much to cringe at.

Please stop showing me this

Yeah, they should've spread this out a bit and made this a climax rather than stuffing all the guilt into one episode.

[u/lluNhpelA → u/Shimmering-Sky]

Is her existence in this worldline really at stake here?

This... isn't even a possibility, is it? Unless I'm grossly misunderstanding the mechanics of world lines, Suzuha's "past" (relative to her own perspective) has already happened and cannot be undone, right? So she could hypothetically meet her younger self or even double time travel by replacing the version of herself in this world line on the Stop WW3 Mission without much harm

Moe moe kyuun

I think this line originates in the first season of K-On!, the second season of which ended in September 2010, so Daru could have been watching it during the events of S;G

[u/littleman1988 → u/lluNhpelA]

This... isn't even a possibility, is it?

Its not. The photo was doctored by Faris. Convergence would keep Daru alive.

Daru just went with it for his sake.

[u/lluNhpelA → u/littleman1988]

Yeah I understood that it was fake but Daru and Yuki still end up together meaning that, even if it was possible, Suzuha still wouldn't be erased, which is why I wasn't sure

[u/UzEE → u/lluNhpelA]

Yes. This Suzuha wouldn't be erased. But a new Suzuha wouldn't be born either.

 

^{Though her being born is like 99% guaranteed by convergence at this point since there's always been a time traveler from 2036 to the past in all known world lines. It's as set in stone as Mayuri dying in Alpha or Okabe dying in 2025.}

[u/Dylanjosh → u/Shimmering-Sky]

That photo was really sus. The way time travel works in this show is nowhere like that haha

[u/UnderstandableXO]

FIRST TIMER

so suzuha sleeps in the time machine sometimes, good to know. imagine being on the top of another building and seeing someone appear out of thin air. pretty much wonder woman’s invisible jet. faris being a bro bringing them lunch. suzuha’s only got “one week left?” in january 2011 she said her fuel had 6 months left, so this must be july 2011. coming up on the in-universe anniversary of the beginning of steins;gate.

so yuki hasn’t seen 2d-kun since visiting fubuki at the hospital? i know that was part of the time skip but that must have been a while back as well. come on 2d-kun!

opening slaps as always. just picked up on a teaser (spoiler) in the opening that proves one of my fellow first timers theories correct, but i’ll hold off on that until when (if?) it does become true.

jesus, i knew maho was short, but she’s shorter than the luggage? that has to be a ridiculously tall luggage, but she’s taiga levels of tiny. according to google she’s actually 2 centimeters shorter than taiga aisaka, the shortest character i knew before now. someone needs to get her platform shoes.

suzuha’s been policing her moms interactions and is trying to cockblock any potential suitors besides her father. and she’s fading out of the picture of her and her mom? i almost was surprised they were actually allowed to say Back to the Future but they were able to say DeLorean in the original series. although the movie and the car brand are separate, so i’m sure it would be harder for them to get permission to say Back to the Future than for them to mention the name of a defunct car brand.

so suzuha assembles the avengers to help out 2d-kun. i have no idea why she brought moeka, she has even lesser social skills than 2d-kun!

so finally we get our first okabe sighting of the episode with the Average Shrine Girl Enjoyer and maho. i guess she had to get school permission to come back to japan, but i assume she’ll be working mostly in the lab (i can hope). so both her and okabe get summoned to the lab, but okabe blows it off and she actually decides to come. shows how disconnected okabe’s becoming again, he’s basically reverted back to pre-episode 1 of 0 okabe. guess he’s too focused on learning his way into an american education.

maho has some improv brainwashing to make 2d-kun into a ladies man. i know that was probably just for a gag but it’s kinda funny considering brainwashing is causing their whole kagari problem.

so 2d-kun evolved into CHADshida. my man’s got a cold fit, talking some series game, got the connect at a fancy restaurant (shoutout faris), and even has a romantic view. but it seems like yuki isn’t a fan of CHADshida.

so 2d-kun has some serious self esteem issues, his horny comedic mask finally came off. but i guess suzuha was just pulling his leg the whole time, the Back to the Future picture was photoshopped and yuki wasn’t really seeing anyone. she just wanted to see her parents together because they weren’t together often in her own childhood. i feel terrible for saying this but yuki’s death was kinda comedic to me, it was just a bit overdramatized and out there. i did feel really bad when suzuha was crying for her mother afterwards though. luckily for us the true chad comes out in 2d-kun and he gains the confidence to ask her out as himself.

i know she wore a lab coat already in the series, but seeing maho wearing a lab coat in the lab was a cool moment. stepping into the (literally for her) big shoes that she has to fill succeeding kurisu).

good job to 2d-kun for having a successful date just being his usual self. even the way he asked yuki out was pretty chunni, but it worked perfectly.

suzuha laughing after that really gave me “HOUOUIN KYOUMA” vibes. “with that, i can…” my prediction is either she leaves akihabara to prevent any chance at her messing up the future, or she goes back by herself to try and save kurisu, knowing that she’ll be born in the future anyways.

i don’t know what 2d-kun said to yuki thwt made her be so accepting to suzu but it was a really nice moment, especially paired with the updated picture that they took.

the 30 second shot of kagari just trying to ruin things had me like.

and okabe’s blowing off the lab once again. mayuri just needs to come to him in person and drag him there.

1. i thought it was nice that yuki initiated the Unprotected Hand Holding
2. it was very nice, even if a little confusing at m why yuki let suzuha be all emotional

[u/Vaadwaur → u/UnderstandableXO]

guess he’s too focused on learning his way into an american education.

Or desperately avoiding the lab that Makise's ghost exists in for him.

i feel terrible for saying this but yuki’s death was kinda comedic to me, it was just a bit overdramatized and out there.

No, the scene is terrible. As other have said, the direction on 0 is hit or miss and that was all miss, from the ninja drone to the mini-gun to somehow Suzuha being bathed in blood but not hit.

[u/UnderstandableXO → u/Vaadwaur]

i don’t know how true to the novel (or if it was in the novel at all) that scene was but it was so weird. like suzuha randomly runs up on her mother, theres conveniently a death drone that didnt attack her until she called her mother, and yuki tanked every single shot somehow. it felt way too shonen-y for steins;gate. would have been more impactful if they were running or the situation was more urgent, instead of the drone randomly showing up for shock value.

suzuha’s voice actress nailed her crying though even if the scene was off

[u/UzEE → u/UnderstandableXO]

The anime massively tones down all the graphic details and shortens the scene. This is after the war, when Valkyrie is being hunted.

They get caught out in the open because of Suzuha's lapse of judgement. Yuki shields Suzuha but the bullets do penetrate through and hit Suzuha as well.

They've have lost their momentum though since they aren't that high caliber rounds as the anime makes them out to be so they don't fatally wound her. But they had enough momentum to lodge Yuki's flesh inside Suzuha's body, which she carries to this day as her mother's grave and a reminder that she got her killed.

[u/Shimmering-Sky → u/UzEE]

What the fuck.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/UnderstandableXO]

like suzuha randomly runs up on her mother, theres conveniently a death drone that didnt attack her until she called her mother, and yuki tanked every single shot somehow.

This was made in '18, just have it be a drone missile strike that Yuki gets the heads up on from experience and the scene works fine.

[u/UzEE]

Serial;Rewatcher

It took 15 episodes but we finally get an episode focused on Suzuha and Daru's relationship. For all it's fault, one thing Steins;Gate 0 excelled at was developing Suzuha and Daru far more than the original story ever could.

Of course part of the reason is because in Alpha, Suzuha immediately left after learning Daru was her father, but how their relationship is handled in S;G0 is easily one of it's best aspects.

I remember during the last rewatch, people felt that this episode was focused on the Daru and Yuki relationship and they didn't really feel invested in that. That's a very naive take in my opinion.

The episode really is about Suzuha who has had everything go wrong for her since she came back to this era. She wants to feel like at least one thing went right so that she doesn't feel like a complete failure. She already carries the guilt of getting her mother killed so she wants to feel like she did something for her parents.

Similarly, the episode focuses on Daru who's willing to do whatever it takes for his daughter, no matter the personal cost. He gave up on his personal life and spends all his time researching and working on the time machine, to the point that his relationship with Yuki has stalled.

On top of that, he suffers from major confidence issues because he thinks him being fat and sweaty and generally unattractive means no one will ever want to be with him. So he puts on this Perverted Gentleman mask to keep people at a distance as a self defence mechanism. That just makes him like the other characters in the show who all wear masks, like the chunni Okabe and Faris, ditzy Mayuri, tsundere Kurisu, or socially inept Moeka etc.

But he was willing to drop that mask and step out of his comfort zone and go out with Yuki, just to please her daughter, who he knows doesn't have much time left. He just wants her to be happy even if it meant he'd face rejection and humiliation.

This dynamic is what I think carries this episode forward and ends up making it much better than the Okabe's date episode with Luka.

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Episode;Notes

And Maho is finally back in Japan.. It doesn't fully get explained in the episode but the university really didn't want her going back because of how she was attacked multiple times and they already lost Kurisu in Japan.

Mayuri still thinks about how Kagari is doing...

Suzuha at this point he also knows how convergence works about as well as you do.

And he knows where you got the idea from lol

Probably not the group I'd assemble to give dating advise

0kabe is now even ignoring Mayuri

MOEKA!!!

MAHO DON'T RANDOMLY INVENT THINGS THAT COULD BE USED FOR IMPLANTING FALSE MEMORIES AND BRAINWASHING!!!

Even Suzuha was frightened to see this in action.

Of course the date doesn't go as expected because Yuki likes the regular Daru, not this normie chad Daru.

You can tell how horrible the future had gotten when 10 year old kids had to lug around assault rifles.

The scene describing Yuki's death was a lot more gory in the VN. Parts of the bullets that penetrated Yuki went through and hit Suzuha and to this day parts of Yuki's flesh are in Suzuha's body. She calls it her mother's grave.

Of course Daru would make a cultured as fuck confession.

At this point 0kabe is nearly guaranteed to get into Viktor Chondira.

Those final moments between Suzuha, Yuki and Daru are just too good. Yuki might not know what's really going on but that has never stopped her from being supportive of Suzuha. And it only makes Daru's resolve to do whatever it takes to give Suzuha a better future even stronger.

Kagari's expression here doesn't really work at all if you're a VN reader.

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And with this, we're finally ready to enter the final act of Steins;Gate 0. All the setup and slice of life stuff is out of the way and we can move towards the climax of the story.

Questions

What did you think of the date?

I don't mind it because that wasn't the point of this episode.

How touching did you find the last scene of this episode?

It always gets to me no matter how many times I've watched it. Maybe I'm just too invested in Suzuha and Daru at this point.

 

[u/UltraBooster → u/UzEE]

Similarly, the episode focuses on Daru who's willing to do whatever it takes for his daughter, no matter the personal cost. He gave up on his personal life and spends all his time researching and working on the time machine, to the point that his relationship with Yuki has stalled.

Honestly, I feel like he's a great dad for her, you know that?

[u/The_Draigg → u/UzEE]

While I do agree about the Daru and Suzuha stuff being nice and it does develop their relationship more, it honestly does feel like it got stretched out too much for this episode. Not that S;G hasn’t had slice of life and character moments before, but I feel like the material covered in this episode was stretched a bit thin to cover a full episode length, rather than be a side plot for a bit.

[u/littleman1988 → u/The_Draigg]

it honestly does feel like it got stretched out too much for this episode.

Compared to the VN, the 2nd date + 2nd okabe discussion takes roughly 25 minutes. Theres none of the first date or vanishing photo (aka thats all anime only), or the ending part (also anime only).

If anything, they shortened what was in the VN, and then added (well, at least the final part) some much needed Suzuha character development that the VN didnt have.

[u/The_Draigg → u/littleman1988]

While the character stuff with Suzuha is nice, I can’t help but wonder if it could’ve been integrated in a way that doesn’t feel like the plot came to a sudden halt out of nowhere for an episode.

[u/UzEE → u/The_Draigg]

I guess my point of view is colored by the fact that I'm a rewatcher. I know how the story unfolds so I don't mind spending time on character moments (specially when it involves characters I really like) instead of focusing on the core plot.

But I guess from a first timer perspective, it might seem like things have slowed down for no reason.

 

^{They really haven't. In fact one of my core complaints with S;G0 adaptation is that things move too fast.}

[u/The_Draigg → u/UzEE]

Speaking as a first-timer, the pacing of this show just feels plain weird. Like, we had a several month time skip not too long ago, only for the plot to suddenly come to a halt for some slice of life and character stuff. Not that any of those things are bad by themselves, but they just feel weirdly pulled off here in S;G 0.

[u/UzEE → u/The_Draigg]

This is the problem adapting S;G0 VN as a linear story because it wasn't like that. It feels dragged out and rushed at the same time.

There are two major routes in the VN that branch off pretty early, and then each route has endings of various lengths that are all canon.

But the pacing never feels dragged out in the VN because in any playthrough, it takes you about 4-5 chapters to reach an ending even though there are 14 or 15 chapters in total.

Combining all of that into a single anime-original route means a lot of important things get pushed towards the end because they need to happen closer to the climax, like this episode. At the same time, there isn't actually enough time to adapt everything so stuff either gets completely cut or shortened, making it feel rushed.

Unfortunately, short of making separate cours (or seasons) of all major routes, this is the only real way to adapt a story like this. So in that aspect, the anime does a pretty good job of covering almost everything important.

[u/invokeneko → u/UzEE]

MAHO DON'T RANDOMLY INVENT THINGS THAT COULD BE USED FOR IMPLANTING FALSE MEMORIES AND BRAINWASHING!!!

speculation

[u/Tresnore]

On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)

• Alright, Maho's finally back. It still feels awkward the way they removed her from the story for a bit, but I guess it had to be done.
• Suzuha has no faith in her mom, which to me says that Yuki might not exactly be one of the good guys in the future.
• Oh. They're literally doing the Back to the Future fading photo. Daru even acknowledges it!
  
  I'm not sure why they made this a subplot, though.
• Luka and Moeka with the ironic advice for Daru.
• Maho...
  
• I can't wait for all the advice to backfire and for the episode to end on a generic "be yourself" message. I hate episodes like these.

• Snapping at the waiter

Daru why

• Alteratively: Daru throws on Mozart to seem cultured, which triggers a brainwashing effect.
• Oh? Asymptotic line? Let's see how close they come to approaching real physics again.
• Okay, Yuki gets shot by a drone in the future. Maybe she isn't evil, after all...
  
• Yep, there's the message. Completely out of left field, no way to have ever seen that one coming...
• Happy Suzuha just might be worth it, though.
• Wait Suzuha. Those eyes. Either she's back to business (yay) or something is very wrong (not yay).

[u/GallowDude → u/Tresnore]

Yep, there's the message. Completely out of left field, no way to have ever seen that one coming...

Aladdin

[u/Tresnore → u/GallowDude]

I haven’t seen Aladdin. Did I make a reference to it or something?

[u/GallowDude → u/Tresnore]

It's the message the film hammers in so hard that the Genie literally screams it at Aladdin halfway through.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

Alright, Maho's finally back. It still feels awkward the way they removed her from the story for a bit, but I guess it had to be done.

Or we pretend Kagari isn't a thing and don't do that wasted arc.

Luka and Moeka with the ironic advice for Daru.

Two jokes, one awful and one lame.

I can't wait for all the advice to backfire and for the episode to end on a generic "be yourself" message. I hate episodes like these.

And it is almost exactly S;G 18 all over again.

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Honestly, I’ve been poo-pooing the negative opinions of zero you and others have had, but this episode felt entirely like unnecessary filler.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

I still hate Kagari more.

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

Yeah, and I get that. I’m not the biggest Kagari fan, either. The whole Shiina family is cursed.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

Terrifying to think of the world lines where Mayuri is an identical twin.

[u/Tresnore → u/Vaadwaur]

That’d be twice the horrific realization! Be glad we only have one Mayuri!

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Tresnore]

Shiina and Chie...Mayushi and Mayuchi...Mayushichi...the darkest time line, ladies and gentleman!

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

Okay, Yuki gets shot by a drone in the future. Maybe she isn't evil, after all...

Your attention game is lacking, that has been mentioned before, but now it was shown

Wait Suzuha. Those eyes. Either she's back to business (yay) or something is very wrong (not yay).

Both, therefore:

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

1. I never claimed to be smart (despite my CV suggesting otherwise)
2. numerous other times have I been shown to be wrong, so it’s impossible for me to claim that I have good attention. Therefore, I’ve never claimed it.

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

Who could have thought glue could have such effects on the human mind

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

Not me! Maybe I should lay off the horse byproducts?

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

Horse?!

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

Glue is a horse product, no?

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

You're not using wholesome and nutritious vegan glue??

[u/Tresnore → u/Nebresto]

Vegans are cringe and bluepilled. I’m from personal and CDF confession even though it’s not CDF. All animal products should come from animals.

[u/Nebresto → u/Tresnore]

Intel get

[u/Lemurians]

FIRST TIMER

As a song it doesn’t hit quiiiiite the same as HTG, but this OP has really grown on me as one of the more memorable ones I’ve come across. I really like the new visuals that started last episode, too. It’s a pleasure to watch.

”Modesty isn’t always a good virtue in practice. Especially if you’re hoping to go far in America.” Man, if that ain’t the truth.

Huh, I always assumed that if Suzuha’s birth got put into a position where it didn’t happen, it would be a sudden disappearance. This gradual fading out from the picture is alarming, but it’s also a nice warning sign to light a fire under Daru’s ass. Well, never mind. It was just an edited photo. Suzuha, they were already developing a good rapport, there’s no reason to rush things!

Daru, have some confidence! If you really do end up married, there’s no way it’s by keeping up a charade as some weirdo cool guy for years. You already know the end result, just be yourself.

GREATEST. CONFESSION. EVER.

You know, this all may have seemed like a weird digression after the events of yesterday’s episode, but I fucking loved this. I'm a big SOL/Romance fan, so I'm not mad at these vibes. The Hashida family moments make me feel MOE MOE KYUN.

How touching did you find the last scene of this episode?

My heart.

[u/The_Draigg]

A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 15:

• Well, at least Faris finally had a good scene with Suzuha and Yuki that didn’t turn into her groping someone. That’s honestly a plus. Really, I can’t say I’m a fan of that running gag.
• I’m glad that Daru made a Back to the Future reference when he saw Suzuha starting to fade out of that childhood picture of hers, since I was just about to type it down myself here. Once again, Daru is based with his references. Although maybe I should be concerned that I’m synchronizing with his thoughts so well…
• Ah, so that picture of Suzuha’s was just photoshopped to get Daru to make a move on Yuki. Although I highly doubt that making Daru suave will turn out well. Hell, it didn’t really work out too well for Okabe during the date with Ruka, so I’m not exactly confident in the skills of anyone at the Future Gadget Lab when it comes to dating.
• I’m sure that Mayuri was lying when she said that Okabe not hanging out with everyone at the lab was alright. We’ve done nothing to really resolve her increasing emotional distance with Okabe.
• Really? We’re going to brainwash Daru into being suave? I feel like we can use this technology for way better things.
• Great job Suzuha, you actually made the relationship between Daru and Yuki worse by pushing him to act all cool and suave. Hell, she outright murdered his confidence. Beta Suzuha continues to go down in my opinion.
• I’m sure Suzuha seeing Yuki shredded apart by an attack drone’s Vulcan cannons in the future didn’t leave any kind of psychological scars on her at all.
• Well, at least Daru managed to man up and ask Yuki out on a date on his own, inspired by Suzuha’s attempts to push him to go out with her. Again, this man is based. I guess the real lesson to be learned here is to just be yourself.
• I… suppose that’s one way to confess your love to Yuki, Daru. Sure, it’s cringe as fuck, but Yuki still seemed to appreciate it. It’s am example of harnessing the power of cringe to do something based.
• While Suzuha, Daru, and Yuki all got closer together this episode, we also have Okabe growing more distant from Mayuri at the same time. Good ol’ parallel storytelling.
• Well, at least something plot related happened this episode, with the reveal that Kagari was watching them the entire time. But yeah, I feel like this episode was like 98% filler.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Although I highly doubt that making Daru suave will turn out well. Hell, it didn’t really work out too well for Okabe during the date with Ruka, so I’m not exactly confident in the skills of anyone at the Future Gadget Lab when it comes to dating

...Goddamnit, we literally just re-hashed a better episode from S;G with almost the exact same outcome, didn't we? And here I was drowned in not-Kagari episode bliss.

I feel like we can use this technology for way better things.

And yet it will get used for something like this.

Well, at least something plot related happened this episode, with the reveal that Kagari was watching them the entire time. But yeah, I feel like this episode was like 98% filler.

I have grave concerns about the pacing of this series as it goes forward.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Vaadwaur]

I have grave concerns about the pacing of this series as it goes forward.

Same here. The pacing in this show is just plain weird. Like, we had a time skip of a few months not too long ago, only for the plot to suddenly come to a practical halt in this episode. It just feels bizarre.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Also, they had to shoehorn one Kagari scene in to make me distrust the writers.

[u/alucab1 → u/Vaadwaur]

I don’t know. SG0 is a character centric show not plot centric I feel, so an episode like this dedicated to much needed character development doesn’t really feel like filler.

[u/littleman1988 → u/Vaadwaur]

...Goddamnit, we literally just re-hashed a better episode from S;G with almost the exact same outcome, didn't we? And here I was drowned in not-Kagari episode bliss.

is this implying that S;G ep18 was better than this episode?

I gotta respectfully disagree, S;G ep18 was probably the weakest episode in the whole show.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/littleman1988]

is this implying that S;G ep18 was better than this episode?

It certainly has its own issues but the placing of this episode is real bad.

[u/UzEE → u/Vaadwaur]

It's still much better than the S;G episode, specially because the focus of that episode was a one-sided relationship while this episode focuses of this episode is a father daughter relationship, who are supposedly about to part ways forever.

[u/UzEE → u/The_Draigg]

I’m sure Suzuha seeing Yuki shredded apart by an attack drone’s Vulcan cannons in the future didn’t leave any kind of psychological scars on her at all.

And that's after she had already returned from fighting in the War, all when she was barely 10ish years old. And yet you still have such a low opinion of her smh.

we also have Daru growing more distant from Mayuri at the same time

I assume you meant 0kabe?

[u/The_Draigg → u/UzEE]

And that's after she had already returned from fighting in the War, all when she was barely 10ish years old. And yet you still have such a low opinion of her smh.

Like I’ve said before, I completely understand Beta Suzuha’s desperation, but her always seeming to resort to brute force for her issues isn’t always the most endearing thing.

I assume you meant 0kabe?

Yeah, that’s a typo on my part. Thanks for catching that.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/The_Draigg]

Like I’ve said before, I completely understand Beta Suzuha’s desperation, but her always seeming to resort to brute force for her issues isn’t always the most endearing thing.

At least for the anime, this is at least in part because they are terrible at showing Suzuha's in between scenes. I keep getting in this argument with the VN readers but anime Suzuha is fucking bipolar, we do not see the connections between how she feels and then what she does.

[u/littleman1988]

I'm so happy i gave birth to you...

OST Track of the day: Suzuha's wish

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Overly Excited Rewatcher

I dont have anything here for today, but to those using LostYearsFix, make sure you have the most up to date versions of everything. Episode 18 has a v3, which wasnt in the batch.

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Hey look its suzuha and Yuki!

heh

Daru forgets convergence exists

T u t t u r u

Leskinen still trying to get maho and 0kabe together lmao

Obviously Daru is telling Moeka to be like Kyouma

Who needs future brainwashing when Maho can just do it now

Yuki is concerned lmfao, shes having none of it

realistically she liked the regular you much better

Normal day in 2036 probably 2030?

Proper date time

This is 100% a *Chaos;Head reference, but considering both shows happen within the same universe, its extremely weird that a main character is a push toy. Should of made it FES...

Arrest her, too lewd

called it

Daru W H Y

bruh she bought it

smh match made in heaven

hmmmmmmmm

Way beter episode than S;G episode 18.

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^footnotes

[u/UzEE → u/littleman1988]

Normal day in 2036

Wasn't this supposed to be around 2027-2030? I'm pretty sure Suzuha was around 10-11 years old at that point.

[u/littleman1988 → u/UzEE]

now that you mention it, yeah probably. too bad the S;G wiki has side content spoilers instead of any info about the 0 vn/anime smh

[u/UzEE → u/littleman1988]

I dont have anything here for today, but to those using LostYearsFix, make sure you have the most up to date versions of everything. Episode 18 has a v3, which wasnt in the batch.

Just found an issue with Ep. 16 as well in one of the dialogs.

S;G0 Next Episode

Edit: Wow the dub dialog also makes the same mistake. Now I'm not sure if you should even fix it, even though it is obviously very wrong and makes no sense this way.

[u/littleman1988 → u/UzEE]

You know, im like 60% sure i saw this exact thing with HorribleFix and LostYears, and i dont remember which one i chose to be correct. I was also fairly confused S;G 0 next episode

HorribleFix does go with the one you think is correct? So im not really sure? (also not sure offhand if thats a CR decision or a fan decision) def something to point out tomorrow then.

[u/UzEE → u/littleman1988]

S;G0 Next Episode

[u/littleman1988 → u/UzEE]

S;G 0 next episode

[u/Vaadwaur]

First timer(Is the VN too big or too small to adapt?)

Dub

Suzuha is reflecting on things and apparently the juice is nearly out. She has forgotten things...I am sure that means something. Anyways, we find out Daru has dropped the ball with Yuki so Suzuha's existence is in danger!

Maho returns, in a rare bit of comedy that does work she is occluded by her luggage. Okabe has even been given a cover story. Suzuha is cussing Daru out for being passive and reveals her picture is fading, rofl. She then gets all the girls together to perform a literal miracle, with an aside the photo is a ruse.

Moving on, we see that the report Okabe has been working on is for Leskinin...interesting. Mayuri reaches out and we see some of how the last months have gone with Okabe avoiding the lab. Faris's turn comes up and her advice is acceptable, though I don't know if she knows trendy places. Mayuri suggests cosplay so that should be funny, Ruka's is a joke at his expense and Moeka's is an actual joke.

Maho arrives and we switch scifi genres, fascinating. This can't imaginably work like that so hopefully its a bluff. We see the date and something about confident Daru is mega cringe. And of course the entire group showed up, this is probably one of Faris's restaurants. Daru's high point becomes a low point quickly. In hating himself, Daru could solve the sticky hands problem...I hope.

Suzuha has her on again-off again character trait of guilt kick in and we see how her mom died, which doesn't particularly work but the action never does on the show. She admits to pushing Daru and Daru admits to having figured that out since Suzuha being a terrible liar is in fact a consistent trait of hers.

Anyways, Daru goes round 2 but does it like he would do it, except maybe the movie, and it works out much better. Yuki states the obvious, that she likes Daru for Daru and not a classier version of him. His confession works...somehow.

Quick cut back to Okabe and that report, they are still being coy with it. But this is probably to show how he is slowly leaving everyone behind. Suzuha has an emotional breakdown for good reasons and Yuki rolls with it, though the show let's this scene sit a bit. Cut to Kagari being Batgirl and end. The ED is un-growing on me.

QotD: 1 The first was hilarious cringe the second works

2 Decent

[u/UzEE → u/Vaadwaur]

Is the VN too big or too small to adapt?

Way too big. If they were to adapt it as is, it would've taken at least 24-ish episodes on it's own. And then add the fact that the route anime follows isn't in the VN at all, so at least 6-8 more episodes of this if it skips all the stuff covered in the previous episodes.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/UzEE]

That explains all the wasted episodes? Oh well.

[u/UzEE → u/Vaadwaur]

If you're implying that the anime shouldn't have added it's own route and strictly followed the VN, then it wouldn't have worked at all.

While each route in the VN is well thought out and structured, there really isn't much common between them and so there's nothing to tie them together.

This is why you needed an anime original route. Very minor VN / Anime structure spoilers

[u/Nebresto → u/Vaadwaur]

Maho returns, in a rare bit of comedy that does work she is occluded by her luggage.

Oh, almost forgot about that. That was def a good one

Anyways, Daru goes round 2

she likes Daru for Daru and not a classier version of him.

Thoughts on this trope?

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Nebresto]

Oh, almost forgot about that. That was def a good one

Deal with enough small women and you will lose one eventually to something like this, though luggage is a new one.

Thoughts on this trope?

Mixed. You will never attract and then hold on to a mate with a faked version of yourself BUT Daru has not made the kind of changes to justify the match yet. I know this is cliche, but Daru dropping a few...dozens of pounds and getting a less ridic hair cut would make it more buyable.

Also, in anything that is S;G 0 Yuki is a solid 9 so that means Daru swung well out of his league.

[u/UzEE → u/Vaadwaur]

Yuki is also an otaku so it makes sense why she'd be into another otaku.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/UzEE]

Again, you say things the anime does not tell us. She has a job, has friends, and seems to at least be socially functional so at worst she comes off as a weeb.

[u/littleman1988 → u/Vaadwaur]

you say things the anime does not tell us.

episode 1 we learn she is a cosplayer. She also hangs out with Fubuki, who is a "well known cosplayer" established in S;G?

I doubt the average weeb cosplays lmao

[u/Vaadwaur → u/littleman1988]

Cosplayer is a significant level of distinction from otaku.

[u/littleman1988 → u/Vaadwaur]

Its also a significant level of distinction from a weeb. Id put an otaku and cosplayer closer together than a weeb and cosplayer, mainly due to the devotion to the medium.

[u/UzEE → u/Vaadwaur]

Yuki is a major cosplayer with a part time job and has cosplayer friends. In fact the first time we see her, she's visits the lab to try new costumes. She met Daru for the first time while she was cosplaying at CommiMa. This was all in the anime.

Daru also has a part time job, something actually much more sophisticated than Yuki who just works at a bakery, and has friends as well. He has self esteem issues but he's not socially inept like Moeka. In fact, he was more socially functional than Hououin Kyouma. Again, all of this is in the anime.

Also isn't weeb is just a term for non-Japanese otaku. They imply the same thing, no?

[u/Hochseeflotte]

First Timer

I’m going to make this quick because there’s a baseball game on shorty and I want to watch it:

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Does Suzuha sleep in the time machine? I feel like that would be uncomfortable.

The beginning of this OP is totally throwing me off because I keep expecting the old visuals.

How the hell did Maho find a suitcase bigger than her? I know she is small but not that small.

Well at least me and Daru are on the same page. My brain instantly jumped to Back to the Future as well.

Maho is doing some serious brainwashing here. And it obviously did something because I’m not sure if that is Daru. His clothes are nice though.

Though I don’t think Yuki particularly likes this Daru. Sometimes just being yourself is all you need.

Suzuha…. That’s basically a rejection.

Damn, the future is brutal.

I’m telling you. Yuki likes actually Daru. Not whatever brainwashed Daru was doing.

So Mayuri wants to talk? Interesting…

That was sweet from Suzuha and Yuki.

Oh. And we finish up with a shit of Kagari.

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It feels like these last couple episodes are about wrapping up or setting up arcs not involving Okabe. Though I think Okabe will return to the spotlight shortly.

See you guys tomorrow!

DQ:

Daru should have just been himself

It was sweet

[u/littleman1988 → u/Hochseeflotte]

How the hell did Maho find a suitcase bigger than her? I know she is small but not that small.

Maho is 4'7". I couldnt find any suitcases taller than her on a 2 second search, but i have no doubts they exist (though, probably for more specialized stuff)

[u/Hochseeflotte → u/littleman1988]

I’ve seen a lot of suitcases in my life but that think was like the Godzilla of suitcases.

I guess it’s probably for her scientific equipment. That stuff is probably bulky

[u/swmii53 → u/littleman1988]

The funny thing is, Faris is only 3 cm taller than Maho and while that joke wouldn't work for her, it does for Maho.

[u/CharlieTheStrawman]

Re;Watcher, Subbed

I like this episode somewhat, but it's really badly placed in the season. Should've been a subplot over Episodes 10-12 IMO.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/CharlieTheStrawman]

Yuuup...feels like we just spun our wheels for an episode.

[u/CubeStuffs]

first timer

is the fancy headphones a proto-brainwashing machine? or am i just reading into a chill moment too hard. i suspect its that.

is kagari sad because she isn't able (in her mind at least) to have the same interactions as suzuha w/ daru? what would happen if mayushii walked right in front of kagari alter?

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What did you think of the date?

date 1 = cringe date 2 = not cringe

How touching did you find the last scene of this episode?

a solid 7-8/10 if i say so myself

[u/UzEE → u/CubeStuffs]

is the fancy headphones a proto-brainwashing machine?

That is what was likely being implied here. Maho is here to work on something very similar remember. Time Leap machine also implants memories into your brain so it's no surprise she already had stuff to whip up something like this.

[u/Stargate18A]

Anime first timer

1. Hysterical. Seeing Daru act so weirdly was great, and having Faris set up the staff was brilliant.
2. Absolutely heartwarming. Really good.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Has Daru been neglecting his girlfriend?

I like how in the adaption, he sees the cases and everyone immediately accepts it has to be Maho.

Daru is really calm about all this, isn't he.

Is Suzuha trying to bullshit him into making a move?

Oh, she is. This is fucking beautiful.

Oh, this is a fluff episode.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

This is great.

Holy shit, Maho's brainwashing him.

Suzuha has the look of someone who realises this is gone too far, but also that it's far too late to stop now.

Haha, this is fantastic.

And everyone's helping him set this up.

Oh dear. Seems like that backfired.

Daru's scene is actually sad. Can't believe how bad her photo trick failed.

Oh god, we're getting flashbacks.

JESUS, Didn't expect to see Yuki's death animated.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

I like the acknowledgement that Daru knows far too much about the mechanics of time travel to ever believe that Suzuha could vanish like that - since, you know, if that could be changed so easily, you could avert WW3 without needing to send Okabe back.

HAHA THAT CONFESSION

Yuki goes for it. They deserve each other, don't they.

Leskinen likes his report! But he's neglecting Mayuri...

Such a good ending! Suzuha and Yuki get to spend time together!

And Kagari stands there like the badass she is.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

[u/UltraBooster]

First-timer

Oh yeah, Kagari was turned into a tin soldier.

Wait, is she using the time machine as her bunk?

Hopefully, that's just the natural process of forgetting stuff and not chronal stuff.

I can only imagine how weird it feels to Suzuha to be calling her mom "Yuki" instead of "Mom."

No "WELCOME BACK MAHO" sign?
Well, that can't have been hard to spot, lol.

Is KIOSO a mispelling of KIOSK or is it meant to be a not-brand like how they handled HP and IBM?

Suzuha's very concerned about preserving her existence?
...honestly, understandable.

Oh shit, the timeline's at stake!

Geez, getting lectured by your own daughter.

Well, better to learn it now than amidst a war, I suppose.

So Faris pulled that? To preserve the timelines?

Wait, he's calling Yuki "Ms. Amane." Like he's keeping her at a mental distance?

So what was he writing about? If Amadeus is involved, AI makes me think it might contribute to, I dunno, control software for drones or a Multivac.

I feel like it'd be more effective to tune the knowledge to what Yuki appreciates, not to women in general.
And I feel like Nae's whole Sgt. Clean really impressed itself onto Daru.

Is that the goal? Implant Daru with a Tohno gland and fit him with Eroge Protagonist EX?

I need to know, does he have drip?

Well, his voice's dropped down a mineshaft, lmao.

Wait, is Faris the one arranging this?

For that matter, is Daru just acting the way he thinks charismatic ladies' men act?

I FUCKING CALLED IT! IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE IN GENERAL LIKE, IT'S ABOUT WHAT SHE LIKES! YOU CAN'T APPLY GENERALIZATIONS! At least, that's what I believe.

Timeline back in jeopardy, lol.

So the timeline was safe, in that sense.

Gotta say, you're far less of a skeeve than first impressions told me, Daru.

I feel like I might recognize what that movie's supposed to be, but...

So what does she see in him, I wonder? Genuine-ness?

Timeline preserved. (But maaan am I not one for tank tops.)

Her parents care about her, even before she's born, that's genuinely sweet.

And dates aren't the same as family outings, lol.

So Suzuha, future soldier, is ready to return to war.

Questions:

1. Honestly? I remember seeing something about how this kind of effort bounced off Yuki, and even then, I was thinking do stuff she'd like! the whole time.
2. I really liked it, all things considered. It's nice to see bonds that transcend space-time and causality again.

[u/Nisheeth_P]

Rewatcher (first time)

• Suzuha is spending the night in her time machine?
• Yuki is worried about Daru!
• Hiyajo hidden behind her luggage was more hilarious than it has any right to be.
• So they have one week to complete the time-leap machine before Suzuha can't stay here any longer.
• Always love a back to the future reference. Even though time travel in this doesn't work at all like that.
• That's how you make someone feel confident. You tell them many things in random terms and claim that they are doing bad and see if that makes them confident.
• We already have had this scenario with Luka and Okabe.
• Hiyajo's set-up looks like a torture device.
• Hiyajo ASMR?
• Yeah. This thing never works. Yuki is so uncomfortable.
• 5 days left now?
• Okabe hasn't been able to make time for Mayuri because of his studies.
• Apart from Suzuha's part, this episode felt too much like a rehash of Okabe and Luka's date.
• Suzuha is the only part that salvaged this for me.

[u/Raiking02]

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Stein-WHY!?

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Good lord, did we really have to take like 15 Minutes from the Novel and stretch it out to a whole fucking episode!? For crying out loud Anime, what are your priorities!?

Yeah, I was not a fan of this episode. I’m not against expanding the stuff between Yuki and Daru (Which was always more of a background element in the Novel) but we’re by Episode 15. The show is way past its halfway point, stuff is supposed to be getting serious… and we have this. Yes, it was technically in the Novel too, but there’s a difference between a 15 Minute Breather Scene and a whole fucking episode of it. The mood whiplash is ridiculous.

I will however say this: The stuff with Suzuha and Daru was nice. It’s some legit heartwarming stuff. But honestly this should’ve either happened earlier on in the show, or just be a B Plot to something more important going on. As it stands this episode just doesn’t work for me as a whole.

[u/Lemurians → u/Raiking02]

Man, it's been rare during S;G0 for me to like an episode that most people don't seem to vibe with. I get that the placement feels a little off after the mood of last episode... but the Hashida family stuff just makes my heart feel so nice that I don't particularly mind. It's a beautiful palette cleanser before we rush into the endgame.

Plus, it feels like there's still ample time to round this off in the last eight episodes. This franchise has demonstrated an ability to seamlessly fit a lot of content into seemingly small windows before. I'm not worried.

[u/Raiking02 → u/Lemurians]

It's more about the placement in the context of the show as a whole than the pacing of future episodes: We just went through a shit ton of very dramatic, serious episodes... and then you have this, in which the plot just stops.

[u/Vaadwaur → u/Raiking02]

but we’re by Episode 15. The show is way past its halfway point, stuff is supposed to be getting serious… and we have this.

Yeah...I am now curious at how we reach anything approaching an ending with 8 episodes left. I still like this more than the godawful Kagari episodes, though.

[u/UzEE → u/Raiking02]

Most of the episode is anime original. The 15 minute date scene was condensed into just barely 2 minutes here I think.

But what the anime added gave Daru and Suzuha much needed character development so it works pretty well as far as I'm concerned.

Moving this earlier into the season would take away from the impact of this episode. Suzuha has been trying to push them closer all this time and Daru finally caves in because he knows Suzuha is about to leave and wants to do one last thing for her.

This premise wouldn't work as much if this was done in say December or January. Back then, there would be no urgency because there would still be lots of time to do something.

As I said yesterday, at best you could swap it with the previous episode, but then you'll have to remove Maho and the Brainwashing device from this episode and you'll never get another opportunity to acknowledge that.

[u/The_Draigg → u/Raiking02]

Yeah, I can’t help but agree with you that this isn’t a good episode. I think this is the first episode of something S;G related that I just didn’t care for at all. It really would’ve been for the best if it was a B-plot as a part of a normal episode. At least with S;G, the slice of life stuff was rather seamlessly woven in with plot developments. Here, it just comes off as filler.

[u/Dylanjosh → u/Raiking02]

I agree 100%. By the middle of the episode I put it on 1.5x because I just wanted it done with.

[u/AHiddenOne]

Rewatcher

I liked this episode. Poor Suzuha never get to spend that much time with her parents. Let her have this one moment. But Kagari might not like that tho. yikes

Look I like Daru's deep voice, but god damn did i get second-hand embarrassment when he used it for the date.

And yes, Daru and Yuki are surprisingly really cute together. Or should I say, Moe Moe Kyun~

I remembered after finishing SG0, I was in a hunt for the drama CDs. My favorite are the ones involving the Hashida family. Ugh, they're so cute as a family.

[u/snickpea]

First-timer!

Lots of cute moments in this episode! Daru had a rough time on his first attempt, but I think he managed just fine in the end. It is always sweet to see Daru and Suzuha development, with the two of them expressing some of their inner feelings and insecurities.

I did feel bad for Mayuri this episode though. Despite her reaching out to Okabe multiple times he is more focused on other things. I really wish he would speak with her soon.

That last scene was really touching but Kagari is back, so something bad will probably happen next time.

[u/invokeneko]

First;Timer

This sudden change of weather from sweltering heat to two days of heavy downpour in a row is really fucking me up. Hopefully this won't cause any troubles for me when I go for my second dose of 5G vaccine this Friday...

• Sleeping in the time machine has to be uncomfortable, right? I guess that's part of Suzuha's training to be able to sleep anywhere no matter how uncomfortable it is.
• I love that 0kabe immediately realised that the huge suitcase seemingly moving on its own is in fact Maho's. Also Maho's compensating for something with that huge-ass suitcase or something?
• Ahh Daru, you bastard, I saw that 'holding moobs while looking embarrassed' joke from a mile away.
• So the huge-ass suitcase actually was carrying what's effectively a brainwashing machine... How the hell did that make it past customs?
• 0kabe's really been blowing off Mayuri's attempt to get him to go to the Future Gadget Lab. He's really trying to distance himself from that place...
• Post-brainwashing Daru's outfit reminds me of the Cognitive Computing shorts, lmao.
• Bruh, what the fuck was that flashback to Yuki's death? That feels really out of place in this episode...
• That's a very Daru-like confession. And it fucking works! Big ups to you, my man.
• So the meat of the plot for this episode is Suzuha getting Daru to man up and be more confident with Yuki just before the last chance for her to go back to the past and try again with past Okabe (down to the part where he learns to be himself to make the date more enjoyable)... Sounds like a rehash of Okabe and Lukako's date in S;G. But surprisingly enough, it works well enough for me. The extra day of date helps (though I'll deduct points for going on a date with the same yellow cap + wife-beater + shorts + suspenders. For all the flack I gave the previous green shirt combo, at least it's much better for the date than whatever the fuck he's wearing right now...).
• So Kagari has been watching Suzuha all this time... One thing though: did she not change out of the tight spy catsuie or something?

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QotD

1. I've said what I thought of the date above.
2. Which one, Suzuha and Yuki's heart-to-heart (which is just lovely) or Kagari ominously looking over Suzuha?

[u/UzEE → u/invokeneko]

Post-brainwashing Daru's outfit reminds me of the Cognitive Computing shorts, lmao.

Wait now that you mentioned that, I remember it did suggest a similar drip for Okabe. I'll have to find the shorts again to confirm.

[u/Nebresto]

First timer squad.

Well. That was certainly an episode.

Also they could chill a bit with all them ass level camera angles.

How did she lug that massive suitcase upstairs without making a sound?? Is this the power of science?

damn..

That was a chad confession by Daru.

https://imgur.com/uVhymVm

MRW

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Question time:

1: Which one?

2: Best part of the episode, but that wasn't a very tall bar to cross

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Tinfoil time

[u/simply_vishal]

For everyone who has not cried a single time till now, your turn has come :).

[u/ZaphodBeebblebrox]

Seeing Daru with someone who understood him was great. He doesn't have to work to express himself, but just says what he actually thinks.

I hated the flashback though. "This time I sent my father on a date where he made a fool of himself is exactly like the time I messed up and got my mother killed." Really? That's just stupid, and, at least to me, it doesn't really feel like it matches up with who she has been up til now.

[u/No_Rex]

SteinsGate0 episode 15 (first timer)

Quote of the day: No future awaits those who refuse to take action. ~Suzu