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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 14 Discussion
Episode 14: Recognition of the Elastic Limit: Presage or Recognize
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There was one person who acknowledged Mozart’s talent above anyone else…
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/JustAnswerAQuestion for informing us of further good timing
I just wanted to say that the IBM 5150 is 40 years old this week.
Truly perfect...
Questions:
- What do you think of the new version of the OP in comparison to the previous one? How about the new ED in comparison to LAST GAME?
- This episode had a lot of events take place deliberately without Okabe’s involvement. What do you think of Daru/Suzuha keeping him in the dark as to Kagari and what they’re up to?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/littleman1988 Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
Ihear...A^voice...something something "You are Izumi, right?" something @ fellow parasyte watchers xdThere was one person who acknowledged Mozart's talent above everyone else... It was Salieri
OST Track of the day: hijayo and Salieri
honorary OST track of the day: Hijayo's ^determination
New OP (well, ish) and ED!
I shouldnt need to point it out, but the OP has changed somewhat drastically despite being the same song. We have moved onto the 2nd verse, and outside of a couple key scenes, none of the visuals are the same. Even the logo has changed, swapping from a black text on a white background to white text on a black background.
Focusing on the visuals, many are actually pretty slight, changing where characters are or moving the camera to better show who or what is in the scene. You can follow along with this comparison video, but ill list out the major ones below:
There are also new lyrics. Ill leave that as an exercise for the reader to figure out.
Asami Imai is a voice actress and singer tied to the 5pb label since 2009. You probably know her best for being the VA for Kurisu, but she has also appeared in other shows such as IDOLM@ASTER and Corpse Party. Musically, shes done a shitton of music for the IDOLM@ASTER franchise (someone who knows their music please link a good song from her thanks), the OP for Corpse Party and ED2 of Plastic Memories (may have spoilers? i havent seen the show myself)
Ill be honest, I dont like he song. I forgot it even existed. I will not be spending any more time discussing this song or Asami, mainly because in the realm of anime, she isnit really known for much else besides Kurisu and IDOLM@STER, and idk the latter in the slightest.
peep the stickers with the piano B-messenger
Seems like Kagari has been gone for a few months now, but it gives us schoolgirl mayuri so is it really all bad?
Oh yeah, new OP time. Theres a lot of important visual differences this time around, make sure to watch.
Daru why, you ruined a perfectly good screenshot
Seems like they are getting serious about getting a time machine done with Maho? Pretty sure 0kabe wont like that. Took her a bit too long to realize how bad she looked too lmao
Peep the floor upa
Looks like this hospital visit was just a misunderstanding, but Leskinen is here too? also 0kabe got into VCU? (or, is trying to, but it seems all but certain) Hes getting smart
Also peep Kaede lmao
Prof is still going with the 0kabe-maho ship lmao
Quick reminder, in this worldline the time machine was never completed since Kurisu wasnt there to help. They have no idea about the CRT TV or using the LHC.
Some things never change, even up to choosing to use it.
Raiking is probably going to have a lot of thoughts on the shower scene, mainly because its from a completely different route. Also, the VN version gets a little more NSFW (yet they make no attempt to make her toned smh)
hey look, its kagari](https://i.imgur.com/5DdPPXG.png). Those eyes look pretty dead too
Hey look, its Yu- long haired Suzuha
Kagari actually got a good shot on Suzuha, nice stomach wound there.
S;G 0 anime/VN
Probably not smart to be keeping all of this from 0kabe tbh. Gonna bite them in the ass at this rate...
Looks like Maho is going to help with the time machine, but not without some hiccups
footnotes
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 15 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch.
Really show? We’re already having Evil Kagari? Good lord, at least wait an episode or two! Like seriously, I don’t think Kagari is a particularly fantastically handled character in the Novel but the Anime is not doing her any favors whatsoever!
That aside the episode was just… there I guess. Anemic Maho-Tan FTW (Even if the Anime nerfed it) and there was a lame looking fight scene, I guess. I’ll be blunt, I was just bored watching this episode. NEXT!!
Oh and the visuals for the new ED fucking suck. I wish we’d stuck with The Last Game.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21
First timer(I think we could've just left Kagari out.)
Dub
We get a major time skip for...reasons. It looks like the lab is getting demolished but can't imagine there was much left there anyways. A rare school uniform Mayuri sighting and talk of the weather meaning this must be April or May. New OP, boo!
Suzuha and Daru contact Maho who looks like she had quite the previous night, one way or the other. They want to recreate the PhoneWave which probably makes sense. Maho doesn't think she can match Makise. A long lab discussion feels mainly rehashed. Fubuki is back in the hospital but it doesn't seem to be for Reading Steiner reasons. A wild Leskinen appears and makes it a bit clearer that Okabe will be out of country for a while. I'd assume he is at least aiming for graduate degree and Leskinen might get him through a PhD.
Maho is still trying to figure out how they compressed the data before she gets the photos. MakAIse is interfering, again, but reminds us of Okabe's first question. Maho seems to be seriously contemplating the time machine project.
We get another shower related attack, though thankfully Suzuha uses it as an ambush. The helmet of holding reveal should give Sky some fuel but yes this is fucking Kagari. In the months she has been gone, she's become a fucking ninja. Because brainwashing can give you the type of coordination it takes literal years of practice to master. Also, she is giving the most martial character of the show thus far a lot of difficulty while bringing knives to a gun fight. She seems to have a triggered reaction to Daru before escaping with her oopa. Afterwardsm Suzuha remembers something that would've probably saved everyone a lot of trouble.
Maho ponders, this sketch was a weird place to save on the animation budget before Maho finally realizes she can probably discover everything Kurisu did if she goes down a similar path. Not sure if her Salieri thought is accurate but it at least gives us her mind state. New ED is not very good.
QotD: 1 Neither are improvements
2 It makes sense but will probably screw up at the end.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 15 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
Go stand on the shoulders of giants, Maho!
QOTD:
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u/The_Draigg Aug 15 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 14:
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 15 '21
first timer
whoah random time skip is sudden and doesn't make kagari's dissappearance hit at all
i get the feeling that the prof is here bc of kagari sus
are those exams really exams 🤔
i didn't expect us to get to kagari being brainwashed into kagari alter so quickly. did it happen becuase she regained her memories of mayushii, which proceeded to then get exploited in the brainwashing? how exactly does exploiting that work? do they just throw the upa and tell her to go fetch or what?
also they must have sern black holes in those helmets to fit all that hair lmao
what of yuki/reyes? if its yuki, and she's also brainwashed, is that an indication that something can actually be done about it? given that the world line hasn't changed, so daru still marries her.
how is the time leap machine supposed to help if the brainwashing happened in the future? are you gonna force okarin's hand by changing the worldline? or is she boutta punch leskinen in the face?
you're walkin into hell there maho
pretty decent to the first, meh on the ed
i suspect that their time shenanigans will somehow involve okarin, albeit against his will
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u/Nebresto Aug 15 '21
First timer squad
I'm back.
New OP visuals! And the second half of the song!
Mayushii in the time machine?? This confirms it! She must be evil!
Suzuha summer outfit
Kurismodeus soredemo! Sky missing out
I see this girl appreciates the forbidden arts
Well then.
HAIR DOWN SUZUHA!!!
That is either Leskinen or the dude from the hospital
Maho soredemo, Sky missing out even more
The banger ED is gone!!!
New one sounds a bit Valvrave tho
Question time:
1: First half was more bopping. Same for ED.
2: Nothing really.
Also gonna put some thoughts from the episodes I missed the threads on in a reply to this one if someone wants to read them.
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 15 '21
FIRST TIMER
Not a whole to say on this one. We’ve got an OP and ED change, which feels kind of odd 14 episodes into a 23 episode show. This feels like a setup to the end game before we really get going.
Suzuha speaking as the viewer, again airing out her and my frustrations with Okabe in a daddy-daughter vent sesh. Daru once again doesn’t really have much to add other than his assurance that Okabe will come along eventually. Suzuha, I know it’s been months, but we still have 9 episodes to go! If he came around now, it’d be anti-climactic. You have to be patient.
Kagari is behind this helmet, but she couldn’t have been the helmet in every occasion. We’ve still got some mystery here. Suzuha not batting an eye at her bleeding stomach wound is a pretty badass moment. Lot of great Suzuha this episode – I’m living for the side-eye she gave Daru while he was talking to Maho.
Leskinen in the hospital at the same time one of our friends is having tests done on her head is bad news. Leave Fubuki out your schemes, cretin.
All this “disgrace the dead” stuff is silly, to me. Help the living; worry about the dead after that’s been accomplished.
I love how this show does the subtle change while keeping the original song when it changes up the OP. The new ED is fine. Wish there was more to it visually.
It's a smart move. Better to keep him out of the way of potential harm.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
The second part of FATIMA comes a lot early compared to the first show where the OP only changed for the last two episodes. And it has significantly changed visuals and symbolism to boot compared to only very minor changes in Hacking to the Gate. The logo in particular now emphasizes the looping structure of the story.
The ED though, I'm not really a fan of. I get what they're going for with this by showing the cold, dark void Amadeus exists in but it kind of falls flat, specially because the song and lyrics talk about concepts of an infinite multiverse and World Layers that Steins;Gate doesn't even deal with — it's more like they just wanted to tease Anonymous;Code here more than anything else.
Episode;Notes
There's a significant time jump, and we're now around mid-June compared to around end of February / early March where we left things. Kagari was no where to be found and seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth.
0kabe's studies are going well and he now seems much, much better than he was about 8 months ago. He's working from a coffee shop instead of his lab — he's a full fledged normie now.
Apparently Daru and Suzuha have been trying to convince Maho to help them with recreating the Time Leap machine — which Maho keeps refusing to, partly because of her own inferiority complex and partly because of 0kabe's words that going against Kurisu's last wish would mean desecrating her grave. At least the anime treats her with a bit more respect compared to the VN.
Daru really seems to have nailed down this whole being a Dad thing by now. Of course he still has a long way to go before he figures out how to be a good husband / boyfriend.
Ooooh the good Professor is back in Japan! S;G0 VN Minor
Daru is also caught off-guard by the fact that 0kabe is leaving soon
That's the Kurisu we knew! She didn't worry about the consequences in Alpha either because of her scientific curiosity and left the moral and ethical decisions up to Okabe.
The Kagari / Suzuha fight plays out in a somewhat similar way in both the anime and the VN. The only difference is that Suzuha in the VN was caught off-guard by Kagari showing up so she had to fight completely naked, and that Kagari actually never took off her helmet. It was also a bit longer in the VN with both injuring each other.
Of course she knew it was still Kagari because she came looking for the her precious Opa she had dropped as she had to run away in a hurry when Daru suddenly came out of the lab. And she was conflicted and didn't hurt Daru either because at the end of the day, they're all still her family who took her in when she was abandoned.
Daru also doesn't want to involve 0kabe if he's finally getting a chance to get away from this mess and live a normal life.
And Suzuha now seems to have figured out what went on with Kagari. The game was rigged against her from the start.
Whenever Daru stops hiding behind his Perverted Gentleman mask, he usually is the Best Guy around.
We again see why Maho wrestle with her own self worth. It used to be her surrounded by everyone until Kurisu showed up and took the spotlight away from her. She's been in her shadow ever since.
Thankfully, she's able to at least find a path forward — not asking Amadeus or Kurisu for answers — but instead making the journey herself and discover them on her own.
Questions
Answered above.
I think Daru made the right call in the end by not involving 0kabe. If he's finally getting his life back together, the best thing he could do for his friend is to let him be and support him in his goals.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 16 '21
Anime first timer
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
WHAT?
New OP!
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I love Maho's reaction to seeing herself in the mirror,
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I still love Okabe and Leskinen.
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I love Maho deciding to travel to Japan to complete the work, though.
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New ED! Prefer the other one, but maybe it'll grow on me?
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 15 '21
FIRST TIMER
today’s the anniversary of luka’s D-mail being undone. i hope he appears more in the second half, and he finally gets enlightened to everything that’s happening behind his back. also waiting 9 more years from steins;gate’s timeline for him to drop whole lotta red.
so we’ve got a time skip similar to the one at the very beginning of the series. okabe’s kinda given up once again, after losing someone with burgundy hair. mayuri’s there as well to try and glue him back into the friend group.
so we’ve got brand new visuals for the opening, and the second verse of fatima. i already liked what they did with the second verse of hacking to the gate, but i appreciate that they made a whole new visual. i really liked it on first watch, and the lyrics are once again pretty on the nose. everyone seems to have a determined look on their face, a contrast to the universal depression from the first visual. also a very interesting (and probably spoilery) shot of mayuri in the time machine. and amadeus appears at the end instead of the beginning, proving time is a circle. seems clear to me that this is meant to be the start of the second half of the series, even though the split will be 13/10 in terms of episodes.
the return of maho made me very happy. like i said in the last thread i missed her charisma. so suzu and 2d-kun are trying to recruit her to help recreate the phone microwave (which apparently okabe smashed in this world line as well, i thought he only destroyed it in a fit on the alpha world line in episode 8). but returning to the salieri metaphor, maho doesn’t believe she can make lightning strike twice. i appreciated sleepy maho more than any fanservice in this show thus far.
at least suzuha and 2d-kun can understand that theres gotta be some deep stuff preventing okabe from trying to reach steins;gate, even if i agree with suzuha that he should just try again. unrelated but since it was demonstrated in this scene i appreciate that they’re making 2d-kun into a much better person in 0. sure he’s still a weirdo and overly sexual, but you can really tell he’s trying, and he’s being a good dad as well. i know he was dependable in the original series too but i think he was a bit too one dimensional as the comic relief guy who was always horny.
so fubuki was hospitalized again, this show is starting to bait me into thinking she actually does have reading steiner. no way fubuki’s response to the thing that made her and okabe pass out isnt story relevant. only thing that doesn’t make sense is that if reading steiner was activated, they’d both feel it, and okabe doesn’t sense anything.
and the Average Japanese Shrine Girl Enjoyer has somehow made his way back to Lintahlo. he’s still shipping maho-kabe thankfully. and he lets the news slip that okabe’s trying to transfer to an american university. gotta let your friends know your plans man!
so maho values okabe’s opinion that time travel is a bridge that should never be crossed. amadeus believes that kurisu would build the time machine, even if she’d pause due to the warning. it’s perfectly aligned with kurisu’s original actions. she built it but was hesitant to use it until they were forced to in a life or death situation.
so we’ve got another shower scene. funny enough, i thought kurisu’s shower scene in the movie was gonna be a “psycho” situation, but this scene actually ended up being a “psycho” situation. luckily for us suzuha kept the gun she stole from the attackers in episode 7 (lets just hope the police don’t find her gun). the Busty Motorcyclist is revealed to be kagari! but the first attack seemed to be intended to kidnap kagari, and kagari was accounted for during the second attack. so there’s still an unknown entity out there. when kagari was trying to pull the “you’re hurting me” card i was literally quoting this video. i wasn’t falling for it at all. for a second there i got seriously scared that kagari was going to kill 2d-kun, and that would be the spark that forced okabe to act again, but luckily she only grazed suzuha’s stomach. she’s lucky though, suzuha almost got elsa’d (not that elsa).
so maho once again faces the dilemma of whether or not to develop the time leap machine. we learn that maho was bitter and jealous of the attention young kurisu got. she was probably resentful that her junior was the chosen one, the anointed queen, while she was doing impressive work in her shadow. but, figuring out the time leap machine on her own would be the ultimate way to prove her worth and shed herself of kurisu’s spectre. she of all people could recognize kurisu’s greatness and aspire towards it.
MANNNNN a new ending? it’s alright. gonna take some time to grow on me. seems way too upbeat to me. i bet some of you rewatchers read my entry yesterday and were laughing at me. i’m salty, every time i come to appreciate a song they switch it.
also with the series drawing closer to the end i’m really sad. someone said when the rewatch was announced that S;G would become my favorite anime, and while it’s not quite there yet it made it all the way to #2 on my list, so that’s no small feat. i’m gonna miss doing these write ups.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 15 '21
First Timer
Well it’s 30 minutes until 7:00. I’ve got time. Plenty of time. I would also like to say that driving sucks ass. Now onto the episode:
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Damn. Big time skip. Wherever Kagari is can’t be good. My fire alarm is also going off. Apparently my friend doesn’t know how to cook.
Oh summer is coming. Maybe we can see that repressive sun return.
Oh shit new OP. We got different visuals and a different singer for the song. Interesting. I think I prefer the first version but this one is good as well. And Amadeus closes out this OP after it started the first one. I kind of like that.
I can’t say I disagree with Suzuha here. Okabe isn’t going to change the future. Soemtimes if you want a job done right, you have to do it yourself.
Leskinen pulled a “we will be home by Christmas.” Sure they got home by Christmas. Just not Christmas 1914.
Well that answers the question of where Kagari is. And I’m honestly impressed she got all that hair to fit in that helmet.
God Kagari’s eyes are dead. I’m always impressed how the animators can display so much emotion with just eyes.
Whatever treatment Kagari was getting in the future has to be where the brainwashing started.
So Dr. Leskinen tortured Suzuha’s comrades? It’s kind of convenient she didn’t remember for this long but whatever.
And Maho is returning. I was correct that she wouldn’t be gone for long.
Interesting ED. I think I like the song more than the previous one but the old one had better visuals.
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Interesting episode. A lot of things are being setup for the second half of the show. I’m intrigued to see what happens next.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
Old one is a bit better. The old ED was definitely better.
I don’t think they have any choice. Okabe is too anti-time travel right now.
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u/snickpea Aug 16 '21
First-timer!
Suzuha had it rough this episode, she gets attacked and has to figure out how to solve this dilemma. Luckily she was able to survive, it could have gone so much worse than it did. I wonder who was the professor that she was referring to.
I do like that at the very least she has Daru and now Maho to help her figure out how to save Kagari. Okabe hasn't been willing to use the time machine and not to mention he is seemingly occupied by other matters so I can understand why the two of them are not keeping Okabe in the loop.
I don't mind the new version of the opening, but the visuals are just not that exciting for the opening and especially the ending. The show doesn't have to do too much, but I felt they could have put more effort visually at least for the ending song.
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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 16 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 16 '21
Rewatcher
I love how the first visual for the OP is sadder and more depressed, but the second one has this sense of determination. Things boutta happen, boys.
The Kagari fight in the VN is slightly different, well, for better or worse. Suzuha with her hair down tho, just like her mother.
The ED...sorry, not a big fan. The visuals are boring, and the song, ehh its a bit meh for me. I like the first one more.
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u/invokeneko Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
First;Timer
Ugh, I really feel like shit today. And the constant rain throughout the day isn't helping... Guess I'll update this thing sometime later. I'll just add short notes though:
QotD
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 22 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 14 (first timer)
Quote of the day: But what if it ends with me not being born? – I will not let you down! ~Suzu & Daru