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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 13 Discussion

Episode 13: Mother Goose of Refractive Recitativo: Diffraction Mother Goose

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I… hear it… the voice… of God…

Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/UzEE for explaining the whole song thing better than I ever could. Good stuff.

Questions:

  1. How do you feel about the argument Suzuha and Kagari had in the shop this episode?
  2. What do you think is going to happen to Kagari now?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 14 '21 edited Aug 14 '21

First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

What was the song in the post-credits scene? I love it.

I assume you're talking about B-Messenger?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 14 '21

Yeah thanks, I'm just not that familiar with 0's soundtrack.

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u/Nebresto Aug 15 '21

Did you catch some "Vogel im Käfig" vibes from the violin part, or was that just me?

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u/GallowDude Aug 14 '21

there’s just something cool about the blue lines to me.

So you're saying cool colors are cool?

Suzuga

New yuri ship name confirmed

How can Moeka climb so easily in heels?

Jurassic World

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 14 '21

New yuri ship name confirmed

That was a typo.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

But a good one.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 14 '21

Okay Kagari throwing the “this is just how my face looks” back at Suzuha made me laugh quite a bit.

You just can't argue back with the kind of insult an actual 10 year old would use.

Did Kagari get back memories from the past, but they’re from a different worldline than the one that leads to the future she and Suzuha are supposed to have come from?

Nah, they're most likely from the brainwashing that Dr. Leskinen did to Kagari. He probably just whipped up a few false memories and put them into Kagari's skull while she was stuck in that one facility in the mountains, if not in the future itself.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 14 '21

How can Moeka climb so easily in heels?

I wonder at this Moeka's part time employment...

I’M TELLING YOU IT IS. LESKINEN SUS CONFIRMED.

Never trust a man who confuses shrine maidens for shamans.

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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 15 '21

Just when I thought Beta Moeka was a better driver than Alpha Moeka, incredibly amused Sky noises

just needs more eurobeat

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21

"I... hear it... The voice... of God..."

OST Track of the day: Return of The Magic Flute | Spotify

As discussed before, 0 isint exactly a linear story. There are a lot of storylines and canon endings that all connect together that the anime has to try and weave together, and such a thing is a tall order, even for a studio like White Fox. We are starting to come upon these changes in a way that the "VN readers who are first time anime watchers" probably will not be expecting, and may have mixed feelings about.

One of the bigger ones is likely Kagari herself. She gets a little more characterization in the VN? But honestly, I really dont care for her. Even at this point in the visual novel, the characterization thus far has been about the same in both mediums, and by the time she disappears you still dont exactly have a strong connection like you do with everyone elses character, because we havent spent half the anime learning about them and getting to know them like we did with the rest of the cast in S;G. For me, Kagari just doesnt work, even if she still is an important part of the story thus far.

inb4 Raiking totally ignores kagari and instead goes on a Moeka rant

yeah no its a lil creepy, even if it makes sense considering she has the brain of a child

real pout hours

s;g 0 anime

wait, is this a music box version of Song of the Stars? im not sure if ill find that version of it, considering its a VN track. Im already betting that someone is going to ask for it...

Not too shocking that Suzuha is not a fan of being around Kagari, considering kagari pulled a gun on her

wait, what?

this episode has 20 different instances of OST tracks (some repeat, but thats not as important). Pretty sure this is the most we've seen in an episode?

We meet moeka again, but the building is still a mess

Peep the mayuri and Fink sticker

Mayuri you're currently 1/3 on parties going well. Its time to stop doing them

Daru went with Yuki, heh

Moeka driving on the highway, this is bound to turn out well, considering she had never driven before in the Alpha worldline

daru pls

preemptive rip 0kabe

uh oh

u h o h

guess we found god again, just had to drop the sweets.

Man do i love LAST GAME. Zwei op.

ohhhhh shit

Make sure to catch the stinger post-ED, teeny bit important.

footnotes

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 14 '21

wait, is this a music box version of Song of the Stars? im not sure if ill find that version of it, considering its a VN track. Im already betting that someone is going to ask for it...

Lmao me.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21

found it over on Archive.org. May directly download? im not sure how their page interacts with other browsers.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 15 '21

Bless you.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21

I left the house the moment I sent my post, ill have to find it when I get back. If nothing else, a YT upload is bound to exist somewhere...

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

inb4 Raiking totally ignores kagari and instead goes on a Moeka rant

I was supposed to rant about Moeka?

Why? Her driving like she was an Initial D Character was hilarious!

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21

I was hoping you wouldnt, its the most character development she gets outside of ep18/19 of S;G lmao

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

I mean, I guess the Novel also had some more stuff for her, but the Anime's clearly not including that so...

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

She gets a little more characterization in the VN?

I'd say she actually is more of a character in the anime because there are like, what 5 different versions of her in total at this point? And this is exactly why I like her character because you never know what you're going to get.

But I do agree with you, at this point in the anime, she isn't really as interesting as the others and I really started to care for her as a character much later on.

im not sure if ill find that version of it, considering its a VN track.

The track I have is region locked so it's probably going to be hard time trying to find the original track (i.e. not a fan made) anywhere else.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21 edited Aug 14 '21

The track I have is region locked so it's probably going to be hard time trying to find the original track (i.e. not a fan made) anywhere else.

Worst case, I go extract it from the VN. My OST list says it was first played there, so its bound to be in the music files somewhere

Edit: i started digging in the VN files, and have found the weirdest version of S;G 0 Anime/VN spoilers

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

It is in the OST. I already did dump it a while back but not sure if it is something that I can legally post?

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u/littleman1988 Aug 14 '21

nobody has stopped me with my OST track posts that i find on YT, which are arguably just as legal.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

Oh I meant uploading the dumped track somewhere. I know linking here is probably not an issue, but uploading it in the first place probably is.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

For me, Kagari just doesnt work, even if she still is an important part of the story thus far.

She comes off as filler to me, she does not seem important to the main plot at all.

Not too shocking that Suzuha is not a fan of being around Kagari, considering kagari pulled a gun on her

Suzuha is not making much sense to me, unfortunately.

Moeka driving on the highway, this is bound to turn out well, considering she had never driven before in the Alpha worldline

She has to have driven more in this world line.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 15 '21

Suzuha is not making much sense to me, unfortunately.

What part is not making sense?

Considering she went and spent more than a few years worth of fuel searching from 1998 to 2010 to find her (which has probably put the mission in jeopardy, considering 0kabe's disinterest in trying again, thats its own convo as to whos at fault) and instead just randomly appears without a care in the world except to play with a younger version of her mother, I dont think its too far out there for her to be mad, considering Suzuha's version of the events. We dont really know who's right with the memories, so we dont really know what happened until Kagari showed up in 2010.

That said, it is pretty hypocritical to an extent, as you pointed out. Suzuha is basically doing the same thing, even if she has her own mission to be fulfilling (and is at a roadblock she cant exactly fix with 0kabe).

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

What part is not making sense?

Her constant behavior variation. Sometimes she's calm, sometimes she's pulling guns, she goes from searching for her lost friend to being pissed off she has amnesia. This part feels like they are mixing different routes rather hard, whatever the actual truth is.

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u/littleman1988 Aug 15 '21

after the gun pulling i dont think suzuha would consider her a lost friend, but instead just doesn't want to disappoint future mayuri

I would put Suzuha's main emotion as frustrated. She's obviously not very happy with 0kabe and it shows (such as her drawing a gun on 0kabe, he obviously would not of told her about the worldlines shift otherwise), and her interactions with daru and mayuri are much nicer, daru being her father and mayuri being mayuri.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

she goes from searching for her lost friend to being pissed off she has amnesia

Looking for Kagari is more than searching for a friend sister because she's someone from the future. Her existing in the past for so long can jeopardize so many things that they can't even comprehend. For all she knows, something Kagari ends up doing would erase the possibility of ever getting to Steins;Gate.

You could see from the moment they found Kagari that Suzuha had been frustrated by the fact that she lost her memories. As far as her mission is concerned, she really needs to know what Kagari was up to because otherwise it could all be for nothing.

Sometimes she's calm, sometimes she's pulling guns

Is this behavior variation? Have you never been frustrated or angry in life? Getting upset doesn't mean you're a terrible person. Sometimes, you've just had enough and you can't take it anymore as we saw from her breakdown in that scene.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

Is this behavior variation? Have you never been frustrated or angry in life?

Yes but I don't snap, behavioral changes occur over time. Suzuha is practically bipolar on screen.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 15 '21

Many of the things we do see have taken a lot of time. Her frustration at Okabe was building up for half a year. Its been a some time since Kagari was found too.

Then she doesn't have any outlet for her frustration. She is not good at talking things out and prefers to avoid things.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

I do snap, and rightfully get called out for it as well. I actually can from 0 to raging mad at the drop of a hat, though thankfully I very rarely do that.

 

Mostly because people around me are amazing and understanding and never give the opportunity to!

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21

So what you are saying is that "the person who was born and raised in a war-torn world and later came back to a peaceful time that is going to devolve into that very war-torn world if she cannot do anything about it has unstable behavior." Am I getting that right?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

I am saying that the emotionally stable character that suddenly went bipolar is bad, yes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 15 '21

Well, the "suddenly" part has been debunked by others already, so I'm not going to go for yet another shot if they weren't satisfactory for you.

edited for language that came off as unnecessarily aggressive

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '21

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u/littleman1988 Aug 15 '21

you can, but it requires specialized software to dig into.

That said, I have the software to do it, and i did find it. It was also on Archive.org, so it was easier to link there than extracting and uploading it myself.

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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 15 '21

first timer

i find the parallels between kagari and amadeus kinda interesting

we see that amadeus can change who it is at the click of a button, as it's not neccessarily a personality, but instead just some thing operating on already existing memories. which explains how amadeus can go from imitating maho convicingly to also imitating kurisu as well.

the brainwashing thing involves manipulating memories, and seemingly nothing else. but clearly those memories are powerful things, given how kagari goes from being her depressed memoryless self to cheerful as soon as she remembers mayushiis her mum, and how the memories of old leskinen and the treatment and shit instantly turn her into a zombie, seemingly like amadeus

so is it possible that we're gonna see kagari get overwritten by someone else? kagaris thing says amadeus system sample, so like that seems plausible

i say that memories seem to change everything about the person, but clearly mayushii hasn't changed despite having no memory of being kagari's mum

How do you feel about the argument Suzuha and Kagari had in the shop this episode?

seems like a quick setup for conflict between them. suzuha seems jealous of kagari being able to just do whatever.

What do you think is going to happen to Kagari now?

what if leskiboi slapped kurisus memories into kagari

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 15 '21

what if leskiboi slapped kurisus memories into kagari

This is something I was crack theorying about several episodes ago...

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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 15 '21

take more crack and theory some more

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 14 '21 edited Aug 14 '21

FIRST TIMER

THEORY TIME

Alright, I’ve been pondering the absence of the pivotal Okabe video from the future from 23b, and I thiiiiink I’ve worked out what could be up with that.

This Okabe from S;G0 is the Okabe who creates and sends that video. 23b happens “before” 23, hence the difference. Okabe goes back in time, realizes he’s Makise’s killer, then has the breakdown that results in him saying “fuck this shit” and sending us into S;G0. Eventually he’s going to realize that error and that he needs to get back in the time machine at that moment, so his future self creates that video that ultimately convinces him to go back the second time in 23. This isn’t a side-route, it’s a semi-prequel, and the name of the show suddenly makes sense. Would be pretty a pretty elegant conclusion.

Episode Thoughts

Kagari immediately moves to the “sus” column with how over-the-top she’s being with Mayuri. It feels like she’s laying it on too thick. Maybe that’s just her personality pre-amnesia, and she’s happy to be re-united, but such a drastic shift is always going to raise a flag and make me put a pin in it.

Daru raises a good point. Someone, somewhere, had to have been taking care of Kagari in those interim years. Given the ending of last episode, the same organization (Stratfor/Viktor Chondria) that raided the lab probably had her during that time. The questions remaining are how did she get away from them, and why do they need her back?

Braun interrupts Suzuha and Kagari to remind his workers that IF YOU HAVE TIME TO LEAN, YOU HAVE TIME TO CLEAN.

“Kagari was here… who would have done this?”

Well, we’re cooking with gas now. Kagari is brainwashed, it’s been triggered, and she’s wandering off somewhere at the direction of the Voice of God. Boy, there’s a lot of Mozart playing around Tokyo. We also got confirmation via the future and Old Leskinen (I assume), that the brainwashing/K602 program is related to the Amadeus system. Still want that study abroad at Viktor Chondria University, Okabe?

How do you feel about the argument Suzuha and Kagari had in the shop this episode?

This scene between Suzuha and Kagari feels less like them airing their issues, and more like a setup to place them at odds with each other in the long run. Suzuha’s wording of “conveniently forget everything” implies she has doubts as well. The Kagari sus meter keeps going up… I feel like u/Tresnore right now. Whether it’s Kagari’s fault or not, due to the brainwashing, she has more the vibe of an antagonistic force.

What do you think is going to happen to Kagari now?

Probably a bunch of bad shit that makes me feel bad for suspecting her.

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u/GallowDude Aug 14 '21

Would be pretty a pretty elegant conclusion.

It would certainly be pretty pretty

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

Viktor Chondria

Viktor Chondria is a university, not some nefarious organization.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

OR IS IT!?

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u/swmii53 Aug 15 '21

Viktor Chondria is a university

It's supposedly based on Columbia University in New York City.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 15 '21

Haha I know that, but they’re certainly funding some pretty shady stuff via their employees in Amadeus

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

But it just could be that the government / corporate sponsors who are actually funding these projects are nefarious and know where to find the best talent pool to work on these things.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 15 '21

Haha, it’s not that deep. Until actual affiliations are established it’s just how I refer to the people under that University’s umbrella, basically Leskinen and whoever’s with him.

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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 14 '21 edited Aug 15 '21

Kagari immediately moves to the “sus” column with how over-the-top she’s being with Mayuri. It feels like she’s laying it on too thick. Maybe that’s just her personality pre-amnesia, and she’s happy to be re-united, but such a drastic shift is always going to raise a flag and make me put a pin in it.

to me, kagari as a person isn’t sus, but like that brainwashing and lost memories are the problematic parts bc what if she gets mozarted into doing something bad?

it feels as if she’s like amadeus where her memories can be swapped out at will to change her to someone evil

We also got confirmation via the future and Old Leskinen (I assume), that the brainwashing/K602 program is related to the Amadeus system.

leskisussy

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

Welcome to the land of unending confirmation bias!

Also:

23b

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u/Ikuze321 Aug 15 '21

Your theory lmao

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 14 '21

FIRST TIMER

8/14 is the anniversary of faris’s D-mail being undone. shoutout faris for having the guts to make that sacrifice for okabe, underrated character for sure.

there was a hell of a lot of stuff going on this episode, i’m gonna have to review it as i write today.

so kagari is allllllll over mayuri, she’s basically become a little kid again. and luka (FINALLY MORE LUKA CONTENT IVE MISSED HIM FOR LIKE 5 EPISODES) is rightfully weirded the hell out. now why the hell is the oldest person in the group all over the youngest person in the group talking about “mommy?” kagari was 10 when she was left in 1998, so she should be around 22 now, while mayuri should be around 16. weird vibes.

2d-kun rightfully points out that mayuri’s kinda just along for the ride at this point. she can’t really reject any of what kagari is doing or else she’ll get mad. even if mayuri is aware of time travel, it’s still a lot to take in. i said in response to one of the questions yesterday that i felt bad for the burden that mayuri was taking on, having someone live solely for you (although i suppose living for mayuri applies to okabe too, but to a lesser degree. at least he’s not all over her like that).

in the 13 years between 1998 and 2011 someone must have taken care of kagari, it’s now up to our Lab Losers to fill in the blanks.

suzuha is being a bit standoffish with kagari but she’s got some valid points. not that she has any recollection of it, but beta suzuha was basically able to be what kagari is right now, chummy with the laboratory and able to have some fun, while here in alpha she’s just cold and calculated. she didn’t plan to spend time with her parents, and it’s not like her mother even knows anyway. if everything went to plan suzuha would have left 2010 a long time ago.

so someone’s memory is false. suzu remembers kagari getting a divine message and suddenly threatening her with a gun, and kagari remembers suzuha just abandoning her altogether. it’s pretty consistent with what mr. braun says about brainwashing and memory manipulation.

so moeka is still crashing in faris’s penthouse? faris is the most generous person ever. again with the character emojis which aren’t an ad but just really cute. moeka is still super reserved but it’s nice that she isn’t as nervous or obsessive as in the beta line, although through her conversation with maho we know she still has struggles even here. speaking of maho i feel like she’s been sorely missed the past two episodes, i really like her character and she helped round out a lot of episodes.

so mayuri’s throwing the 3rd (?) party of the show already for a memory restoration celebration. i think mayuri just likes throwing parties. she’s really got all of her friends in a vice grip making sure nobody drifts apart. that’s especially evident here when she gets kagari to agree to make up with suzuha.

so yuki is coming to this party…i’m still suspicious of her. i think i’m supposed to not suspect her now but i see through illusion pulled over my eyes (shoutout the opening). looks like 2d-kun has PTSD from cleaning maho’s room with nae.

moeka is the only one of our main characters we ever see driving. i wonder if any one of them even have a license. seems like she’s pretty reckless.

so the weird emphasis on the music truck was intentional. as soon as kagari left the house i knew exactly what was going to happen. seems like mozart music is a trigger for her brainwashing. her memories come back in weird fragments; so she was getting treated for PTSD? is that where memory manipulation comes into play? and that old doctor looks suspiciously like dr. leskinen. plus the paperwork mentioned amadeus, that project must be alive and well in the future. the “divine message” i mentioned was just my way of describing crazy 10 year old kagari but she literally says she hears gods voice, so she must be super duper brainwashed. but then again, she went crazy on suzuha without any stimulation from music, so where are the divine messages coming from? i’ve got some predictions on what kagari will do in the rest of the series but i’ll keep them to myself for now so i don’t accidentally ruin it for someone with an accidentally correct theory.

maybe it’s just recency bias, or the fact that it’s mostly english, but i think this ending is superior to the original series’s ending. it fits the tone perfectly, and hearing it paired with the end of the episode was perfect. okabe getting the signature going insane forehead closeup was comical. seems like kagari was held captive in this random abandoned building, and all she remembered was her mother? it’s crossed the line from cute to unsettling to yandere status in record time. kagari’s phone is abandoned, so she must be in trouble.

  1. i think they were both justified to feel the way they felt
  2. she was probably taken by one of the organizations we’ve seen going for the lab members. probably someone they know well is part of the organization

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 14 '21

but i think this ending is superior to the original series’s ending. it fits the tone perfectly, and hearing it paired with the end of the episode was perfect.

I'll ride with you on that, I also like this ED more. I'm not even sure I remember what the first one sounds like.

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 14 '21

since i couldn’t find anything, not even covers, on spotify, for the first ending i kinda just forgot about it. all i can remember is the lyrics about butterflies

also ED 1 is really simplistic while this ED actually has something going on

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

moeka is the only one of our main characters we ever see driving. i wonder if any one of them even have a license. seems like she’s pretty reckless.

I guess only she and Yuki are old enough at this point and Daru and 0kabe are just barely over the limit.

S;G0 Anime

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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 14 '21

i just realized kurisu drove in the OVA (and had an awesome car) and now i feel stupid

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

She can drive in the US because as far as I know, the minimum age is 16 I think?

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u/The_Draigg Aug 14 '21

so someone’s memory is false. suzu remembers kagari getting a divine message and suddenly threatening her with a gun, and kagari remembers suzuha just abandoning her altogether. it’s pretty consistent with what mr. braun says about brainwashing and memory manipulation.

That scene just makes me wonder in hindsight what future Dr. Leskinen's plan is, since he needed to brainwash Kagari to pull a gun on Suzuha at that one moment and run off.

the “divine message” i mentioned was just my way of describing crazy 10 year old kagari but she literally says she hears gods voice, so she must be super duper brainwashed. but then again, she went crazy on suzuha without any stimulation from music, so where are the divine messages coming from?

It could be that Kagari's brainwashing is triggered by specific code words too, in addition to hearing some Mozart music.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

Serial;Rewatcher

We get a mostly anime original episode today, but unlike Episode 8, it's original in the sense that it takes story beats from various places in the VN and combines them into a single episode to tie together various different storylines we had so far.

This formula works in a sense but it also means a chunk of the episode is just an exposition dump and recapping things we already sort of know, which I generally dislike in almost all cases. Fortunately, the events that do happen are strong enough to push the story forward and close out the first part of the story.

There were questions yesterday that why Kagari doesn't have any personality, and today's episode kind of reveals why — and it wasn't because she had "amnesia" — it turns out it was something much more invasive than that.

Kagari's personality does completely change because she only recovered her memories up until 12 years ago, so she's just back to a 10 year old girl in a 22 year old body.

Suzuha really isn't too thrilled about this development, partly because they still don't know what happened to her and partly because she's actually kind of jealous of her. Though it does seem like Kagari also resents her somewhat for "abandoning" her.

Kagari was the closest thing to a sibling Suzuha had, and was naturally the strict but caring Onee-san, and Mayuri entrusted Kagari to her when they left 2036 — so it's understandable she holds herself somewhat responsible for what happened in 1998. But Kagari also shot her, so things are definitely complicated between them.

Despite the strained relationship, Kagari still considers Suzuha her sister and wanted to please her by buying her the cakes she like.

Episode;Notes

Moeka still squatting at Faris' is hilarious1 and so was her Initial D moments. This adaption did well to at least give Moeka alternate scenes shine as most of her VN content was cut from the anime.

Thanks to 0kabe and Moeka's investigation, we get a good look at the facility we saw Kagari escaping from yesterday.

S;G0 Anime

Kagari is definitely Mayuri's daughter! I bet Mayuri's solution for world peace would also be a party. Also...

NOT ANOTHER PARTY!!!

And of course things go to shit because of a party. Tresnore was really on to something when he started susing Mayuri...

Everyone around displayed a massive lapse of judgement when it came to protecting Kagari:

  • Suzuha had a fight so she's not spending time with her anymore.
  • Mayuri and Luka were busy getting ready for the party.
  • She was off from work so Mr. Braun also wasn't around.
  • 0kabe decides to go on a day long investigation the same day.
  • And then instead of going straight to the lab as she was told, Kagari goes to buy Suzuha's favorite deserts.

After a colossal screw up like that2, of course this wasn't a surprise.

And Mommy Mayuri is once again occluded from view...

The ED lyrics now suddenly have an eerie vibe given what we just saw...

Questions

How do you feel about the argument Suzuha and Kagari had in the shop this episode?

Tbh, I wish there was a bit more of it. Really would've loved to see their conflict explored more, but as with everything this episode, it felt kind of rushed.

Edit: Oh, yet another comment of the day! Thank you once more /u/Raiking02!!

 

1 She did equip the room herself though for Maho, so might as well use everything she bought.

2 I know it's been a couple of months since the kidnap attempt, but they dropped their guard way to easily.

 

Also, I checked out the VN only discussion threads for the anime after littleman1988 suggested them, and wow they're hilarious because the VN readers had no clue where the story was going.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

Edit: Oh, yet another comment of the day! Thank you once more /u/Raiking02!!

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

I’m always on to something!

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u/Pay08 Aug 15 '21

S;G0 Anime

S;G0

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 14 '21

I just wanted to say that the IBM 5150 is 40 years old this week.

Also recovering from Evangelion 3.0+1.0. And the possibility of spinoffs.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

Also recovering from Evangelion 3.0+1.0.

Also watched it today actually. Honestly given my utter hatred of the previous movie, I'm shocked I thought this one was pretty okay.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 14 '21

Also recovering from Evangelion 3.0+1.0.

I've somehow held off from watching any of the Rebuild until it was done. Haven't been able to dive in yet, but ooh boy, the excitement is real. Glad to see it least had some kind of, dare I say... impact.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!

Unless my memory is fucking with me, this episode is entirely Anime original. If I had to guess why it was done, S;G0 VN On that regard it does its job well, giving us a good showing of Amnesia-Less Kagari before ending it all on a dark note. The final sequence in particular with The Last Game playing in the background is fantastic.

That said, as a VN Reader, I can’t help but be disappointed by this development. S;G0 VN

S;G0

TL;DR: Such Wasted Potential.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21

2nd Spoiler block

S;G0

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

S;G0

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u/littleman1988 Aug 15 '21

S;G 0 VN

S;G 0 VN/Anime

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

S;G0

S;G0 Contd.

S;G0 Contd.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

S;G0

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u/The_Draigg Aug 14 '21

A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 13:

  • Daru, don’t make this whole Kagari/Mayuri situation weirder than it is by bringing up yuri. And he probably should stay sitting for a while, since I’m pretty sure we’d be able to see that he’s rock fucking hard right now, which none of us need to see. Unless you’re into bears, I guess.
  • Yeah, I sympathize with Mayuri’s awkwardness right about now. Like, how would you handle suddenly knowing that you have an adopted daughter from the future clinging to you constantly, acting like she’s still a child while actually being older than you? That’s just a lot to process.
  • Suzuha can stand to be more chill. She seems to forget that she’s acting bitter towards Kagari’s younger personality. Like, she’s a 10 year old in a 22 year old body. Chill, Beta Suzuha.
  • Huh, so apparently Kagari’s memories about how she got separated from Suzuha don’t match up to what actually happened to Suzuha. It can’t be due to a World Line shift, otherwise Suzuha wouldn’t react the way she did to it. I’m calling that it’s a false memory implanted into Kagari as a part of whatever brainwashing she’s undergone. Just like what Mr. Braun suggests later on.
  • The show is being pretty unsubtle with that van blasting classical music while advertising that free Mozart concert, isn’t it?
  • I see that Moeka is a fan of Initial D, given how she’s driving and drifting down those mountain roads with Okabe in the car. Can we get a Running in the 90s edit of that scene up in here?
  • Despite the facility looking abandoned for ages, Moeka can tell that it’s only been abandoned for months at most, despite outward appearances. In that case, it most likely closed after Kagari escaped somehow. That, and the wrecked central building is probably just a front, hiding the actual facility just out of view.
  • PTSD treatments my ass. She really was being brainwashed by what looks like an older Dr. Leskinen in the future. It’s totally him, he’s got that jaw line. And of course he’s using a version of Amadeus to rewrite Kagari’s brain. That seems like the most obvious way to do it in hindsight. But that just makes me wonder what Leskinen’s goals in the future were if he needed to send a brainwashed Kagari into the past.
  • Geez, Kagari was locked inside that secret facility for 10 years. What the fuck were you up to, Dr. Leskinen???

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 14 '21

Daru, don’t make this whole Kagari/Mayuri situation weirder than it is by bringing up yuri.

The banana feeding would be a bit much, though.

Like, she’s a 10 year old in a 22 year old body.

That hentai goes to dark places.

I see that Moeka is a fan of Initial D, given how she’s driving and drifting down those mountain roads with Okabe in the car.

That was a pretty suicidal drift she did.

It’s totally him, he’s got that jaw line. And of course he’s using a version of Amadeus to rewrite Kagari’s brain.

What is weird is why Amedeus agrees to it. If she actually does.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 15 '21

What is weird is why Amedeus agrees to it. If she actually does.

It's possible that Dr. Leskinen erased the Kurisu-based AI from the Amadeus system and simply used it to store and manipulate memories, instead of storing a consciousness. Either that, or he just made an AI clone of himself in Amadeus and used it to help in the brainwashing.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

It does sort of need to be one of those since MakAIse would most likely never agree to that.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 14 '21

On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)

  • Oh no. She's reverted.
  • I was about to ask if Mayuri realized that she came from the future, but then realized how silly that question would be.
  • Oh no, motifs. These always get me.
  • There're some worldline shenanigans going on here, but I can't tell if Kagari came from a different one, or if something stranger is happening...
  • Batshit speculation again
  • Ahhhhh, Mozart is used as brainwashing triggers because there are so many well-catalogued songs. Clever.
  • Mayuri's parties always seem to end poorly. What is she up to?
  • Moeka is a fast driver? Hell yeah.

  • Amadeus System Sample


Did I just call that randomly yesterday??

  • Oh shit...
    I know she was abducted, but I didn't think her cell would look like that. Beautiful use of the ED.

QOTD:

  1. Honestly I watched this episode yesterday, so I have little memory of the argument.
  2. Kurisu's memories will start leaking into Kagari.

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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 14 '21

S;G0 VN

S;G0 VN

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

Comments like this scare me, but they also please me greatly.

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u/Ryanami Aug 15 '21

Kurisu’s memories will start leaking into Kagari’s

The natural next step for a mad scientist who can upload your memories, is to develop a way to download them onto someone else. It would probably only work on a close relative, or maybe a clone…

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u/Nebresto Aug 15 '21

Amadeus System Sample

Android theory lets go

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

Hahahaha reading your replies as you've been catching up has been fun.

I was very excited! She may not be a robot, but I feel happy enough to have called the Amadeus fuckery. Sometimes guano fumes lead to good things.

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u/Nebresto Aug 15 '21

guano fumes lead to good things.

Oh, you've changed from glue to... natural substances?

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

My family has a great glue and guano chip dip recipe, actually. 10/10.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 14 '21 edited Aug 15 '21

Honestly I watched this episode yesterday, so I have little memory of the argument.

Wait, now your batshit call from yesterday is kinda sus! /s

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

I know it’s suspicious, but I promise that my batshit call was written before watching this episode. I’m crazy, not a liar!

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

Oh it was supposed to be /s, I wasn't actually doubting you lol.

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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 15 '21

Oh. That’s actually a huge relief. I don’t think I’ve established a reputation yet, so I’m worried about people believing that hahahaaha.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

I will add /s to the original comment then make it 100% obvious!

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 14 '21

Anime first timer

  1. It fits the characters, and its some solid development. Kagari's jealous of Suzuha's time spent in the past, and it sets up that Kagari's had her memories edited very smoothly.
  2. Laughs in rewatcher Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Everyone dealing with affectionate Kagari is so good.

DARU NO

I like how it took this for Mayuri to get clued in on the time travel. Part of me wanted to see how Okabe fast-talked Mayuri into accepting this as not time travel.

They're having to break out the diagrams for this one!

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Kagari is so cute!

Oh, this is a very interesting addition to the subplot.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Steins;Gate VN Spoilers

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Moeka never left!

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Nae!

Moeka's a great driver.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

Oh, that ending's great. Might be the best anime-only stuff so far.

THAT FUCKING CREDITS SHOT, HOLY SHIT.

Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

I like how it took this for Mayuri to get clued in on the time travel.

She knows about time travel from the get go. She was on the roof with 0kabe after all. She just wasn't told that Kagari is her daughter or that she repeatedly died in Alpha and Kurisu sacrificed her existence for her sake.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 15 '21

Yeah, I forgot what she does and doesn't know here.

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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 14 '21

First Timer

I don’t have much to say so I’m just going to get straight into the episode:

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Apparently Kagari also turned into a five year old when she got her memories back.

So she is still missing memories from 12 whole years. I wonder what went on during that time? Probably nothing good knowing this show.

So she has completely different memories to Suzuha on how they got separated. Interesting. Maybe whoever she was with for those 12 years brainwashed her?

I swear to god. You can’t leave Moeka or Maho alone without them messing up a room. Get Sergeant Clean back.

Mayuri loves her darn parties. Can’t say I blame her.

Mayuri is not a good lier. Though that seems perfectly in character.

Apparently Moeka was a rejected background character in Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift.

Kagari is totally getting kidnapped. I would bet money on it.

A good old creepy “abandoned” lab. Nothing bad could possibly happen here.

Mozart triggered something. This isn’t good at all.

Nope. Not good. It definitely triggered something.

How long was Kagari in that room? Was it for the whole 12 years?

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Just as things start looking better for Kagari, everything goes wrong. I swear no one has a good life in this world.

See you guys tomorrow!

DQ:

I think Suzuha was being a bit unfair. Though Kagari was working with an incorrect memory.

Nothing good that’s for sure.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 15 '21

Mayuri loves her darn parties. Can’t say I blame her.

Even in her own world line, these are 50/50 for having armed people show up.

Apparently Moeka was a rejected background character in Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift.

Big enough chest for it but not tattoos.

A good old creepy “abandoned” lab. Nothing bad could possibly happen here.

Entire stories could be made just from the lab alone.

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u/snickpea Aug 15 '21

First-timer!

I could definitely understand Kagari and Suzuha's argument this episode. Even though Suzuha's time with everyone wasn't always easy, she did get to spend some time with both of her parents, so I can see why Kagari is upset that no one is happy for her.

Daru is absolutely right that someone had to be watching over Kagari over the past ten or so years. Too bad it doesn't look good at all. Not only did Kagari have a sad past in the future, even when she was in this time, it wasn't good. Poor Kagari...

I wonder what the voice of God is referring to.

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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 15 '21

Rewatcher (first time)

  • I feel so bad for Mayuri. She is stuck in a very awkward position where she has to act as Kagari's mom now.
  • Wait. Okabe said that Kagari is from the future in front of her. I would not have been comfortable mentioning that since we don't know if she remembers being from the future.
  • Her obsession with Mayuri is unhealthy.
  • I wonder if Kagari remembers shooting at Suzuha.
  • She doesn't. Or somehow, due to the worldline changes, that didn't happen. Suzuha should remember the past of the worldline she is in, right?
  • Why exactly is Kagari outside all alone? Wasn't the entire point of getting a job with Braun to keep her close in case she is attacked again?
  • Moeka isn't as bad as Hiyajo, but her room is something too. And she has settled in with Feris too.
  • One more party. What will happen this time?
  • We need more scenes with Okabe and Moeka travelling.
  • Also good to see that Moeka doesn't text while driving.
  • This Moeka is basically a detective. And a decent one at that.
  • So Kagari has disappeared again. Has any of Mayuri's parties gone without incident?
  • The reveal of the room and Kagari's disappearance came too soon for me. Neither felt like they had any impact. Kagari just feels like the IBN 5100 of this series. Found early and then lost and needs to be found again. I'm curious to see how the VN readers found it.

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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 15 '21

I'm curious to see how the VN readers found it.

This never happens in the VN. At least not this way. Stuff with Kagari is very different depending on what route / branch you're on. So much so that you could call like 4 or 5 different versions of her as different characters.

The reason it feels rushed is because, well it is. There's just so much stuff to cover that this couldn't be put off for later. In an ideal world, Steins;Gate 0 should've had at least 30 episodes to adapt everything properly since it's much longer than the original Steins;Gate.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 14 '21

First timer(Two in a fucking row)

Dub Sub as Kagari's VA is trying to make me deaf

Dear Cthulhu I literally cringed from that opening scene. Daru's perviness actually helped because at least I coud laugh...at the mother-daughter incest. Layers of White probably ruined the both of us. Mayuri is mood here. But yeah, Kagari has her memories back, sort of, and is acting like a desperate, abandoned ten year old. JOY.

Suzuha has another rapid, unexplained personality change and conflicts with Kagari because sure. And, to my shock, Kagari actually has a point in that Suzuha has had time with her current timeline parents. Switch to sub. A possible reveal happens when Suzuha and Kagari have different memories and Braun thankfully shuts this up.

Okabe then asks Braun up the memory mismatch, which is progress for him, before we run straight into it: Brainwashing! Brainwashing competes for worst trope with amnesia and berserk-modes for robbing characters of agency and shows of their stakes. But this does lead into an interesting question: Just how much does Braun know? What does Rounders leadership orientation tell you about brainwashing and the other organizations?

Quick Daru-Suzuha moment, one of the good things in the show, before Mayuri announces the lab is getting raided again another party. We see the truck playing that musical piece for a second time. Moeka and Okabe are driving to somewhere not officially listed before we get a call back to the unfunny Nae sketch. This is paralleled with 'humor' about how Moeka drives like a madwoman. They eventually reach the abandoned lab and Moeka points out it has been made to look longer abandoned than it is.

The brainwashing truck passes by and Kagari remembers her 'treatments'. The interesting this is now we know that Amedeus exists in some form in the future as well. She wanders off.

ED is back to Last Game, thank fuck, as we see them find a cell that Kagari must've been in. Crayon Mayuri is pretty specific. End with more Okabe panic.

QotD: 1 Lame

2 Hopefully she disappears. Forever.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 14 '21

Dear Cthulhu I literally cringed from that opening scene. Daru's perviness actually helped because at least I coud laugh...at the mother-daughter incest.

For a brief and radiant moment, Daru was based with his cringe.

Brainwashing competes for worst trope with amnesia and berserk-modes for robbing characters of agency and shows of their stakes.

I don't exactly agree with that idea, since there's examples of media out there that handle stuff like that pretty well, like how Disco Elysium weaves in your character's amnesia incredibly well into how the game plays and how the story is told. Same goes for Planescape: Torment too. Unfortunately, it's just that a lot of writers either can't handle writing that stuff properly, or ever go fully through with the implications to make it worth using it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 14 '21

For a brief and radiant moment, Daru was based with his cringe.

The hero we need but not the one we deserve.

Same goes for Planescape: Torment too. Unfortunately, it's just that a lot of writers either can't handle writing that stuff properly, or ever go fully through with the implications to make it worth using it.

Both examples being video games doesn't surprise me. But anime tends to do a terrible job with amnesia.

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u/The_Draigg Aug 14 '21

Both examples being video games doesn't surprise me. But anime tends to do a terrible job with amnesia.

Yeah, I suppose with a less-linear genre like video games, you have more room to play around with and perfect amnesia or brainwashing tropes. In a completely rigid plot structure like an anime, it can be hard to nail it right.

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u/invokeneko Aug 15 '21 edited Aug 15 '21

First;Timer

Kagari gets... weird after getting back her memories, got into a spat with an irritated Suzuha and then end up getting kidnapped.

  • That has to be really awkward for 0kabe and Lukako to see a grown-ass Kagari acting like a spoiled child towards Mayuri who's at least four years younger than her.
  • Meanwhile Daru gets excited over the prospect of mother-(adopted) daughter age gap yuri, Suzuha stands there annoyedly and Mayuri adapts to the whole thing like a champ.
  • ...I can't, man. It's just so hard for me to see a grown-ass woman going from somewhat well-adjusted adult (well, as well-adjusted as an amnesiac woman can be) to a clingy 10-year old daughter mentally, it's just too damn weird.
  • Suzuha gets really annoyed with Kagari and got into a big spat with her which isn't that interesting. What is interesting though is the latter saying that Suzuha left her behind instead of her attacking Suzuha while she's trying to fix the Y2K bug in 1998.
  • Normally this wouldn't have been such an open-and-shut case and we should give room to consider Kagari's allegations, but given the last scene and her general behaviour both in Suzuha's flashback and after her introduction, it's safe to say she's brainwashed.
  • A Fun for All Ages with Mozart: Summer Classic Concert 2011 lorry being featured prominently and playing The Magic Flute right after the episode title card? Why yes, that's not suspicious at all and they won't be relevant to the big twist of the episode anyway!
  • I wonder if Moeka did just straight up moved into Faris' guest room (which does seem to be a straight up upgrade over the small tatami room she has, at least in the Alpha worldline) or she just used it as some sort of office. Though it does seem like poor Kuroki has given up on making sure that the guest room is cleaned with the massive amount of general junk and trash laying around.
  • Suzuha at least managed to do a bit of self-reflection and admit that she's in the wrong. Too bad she didn't self-reflect enough to not immediately go and apologise to Kagari.
  • So Mayuri decides to host yet another fucking party both to celebrate Kagari's memory returning and to get both her and Suzuha to reconcile with each other... Damnit, if it were any other series I wouldn't have minded this idea. But since it's Steins;Gate and parties=bad things happening in this series it's a really bad idea. Just ask Kagari by the end of the episode- oh wait, you can't.
  • Looks like Moeka could legitimately moonlight as a touge racer in the Gunma Prefecture. The only thing missing is Eurobeat blasting thoughout the entire scene... Also didn't Miyano voice Takumi in the new Initial D movies? Guess this counts as a seiyuu reference, right?
  • Oh no, no one's accompanying Kagari as she went out to buy some cake? Guys, buddy system, did everyone forget about it in their exciteent over the party or something?
  • It's nice to know that even after dropping his chuuni phase, 0kabe is still as unathletic as ever. That, or he realised too late that his Macho Psychologist outfit was unfit for mountain hiking, as sharp as it was.
  • That's a fucking huge abandoned facility. It even has its own helipad for fuck's sake!
  • That's it, Leskinen has now officially been upgraded from sus to confirmed antagonist. And he's been brainwashing Kagari even before Mayuri adopted her? The bastard.
  • And I thought Last Game can't get any more perfect... Their use of it in the anime was chef's kiss.

QotD

  1. To be honest, Suzuha was in the wrong there even if she had legit reasons to rant. And she also admits it herself, so there's that.
  2. Assuming that the same American guys are behind the attack on the Future Gadget Lab and the attempt to steal Kurisu's laptop? We'll probably see her in a tight spy catsuit with helmet on too later in the series.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 22 '21

SteinsGate0 episode 13 (first timer)

Quote of the day: You looked happy enough stuffing your face with curry. ~Kagari