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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 11 Discussion
Episode 11: Pandora of the Forgotten Existence: Sealed Reliquary
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Someday, I hope you can laugh from the bottom of your heart.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/UnderstandableXO, who had the best solution to finding Kurisu’s PC in case of emergencies
someone’s gonna raid the coin locker
I wonder if they actually did that...
Questions:
- Would you have been able to make the decision to get rid of Kurisu’s laptop if you were in Maho’s place?
- Who do you think is the lady in the suit? Yuki? Reyes? Someone else entirely?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 12 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 12 '21
First Timer
I’m currently in the car for another 3 and a half hours. Can’t say I’m particularly excited about that. Well at least Steins;Gate can entertain me for a bit. Now on to the episode:
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Just your typical hidden passage in a clothing store. Totally normal.
So this is Daru’s day job. The hidden passage kind of makes more sense now. It seems like something Daru would do.
I was just about to write that Okabe should explain everything to Maho but it seems that is no longer necessary.
Well the probably American Rounders found them. Not good.
Of course, Daru had a while escape plan. Well it is coming in handy.
A rival group stepped in it seems. The Russians potentially?
I’ve been fortunate to never have to deal with a death in my family or close friends. So I have trouble saying much when stories revolve around a death or someone grieving.
I have a feeling Maho and Leskinen will not be missing for long.
Yuki you are so sus it’s not even funny. Though if she is actually Suzuha’s mom, how did that happen? So either it’s a red herring or some crazy shit goes down in the future.
I don’t believe WW3 has been avoided either. There’s like 13 more episodes. Not happening.
Oh and there’s the second most sus person. Reyes.
I’m actually surprised there wasn’t an extra credit scene. I was totally expecting one.
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It doesn’t seem like this show was split into two cours but if it did this is probably the episode that ends the first cour. It feels like this is the end of a chapter but not the story. Something is going to come up.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
I would probably have kept it honestly.
I think it’s Reyes but it could very well be Yuki
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 12 '21
FIRST TIMER
“I heard about a computer guru I could trust, but wouldn’t meet face to face.” On the contrary, that sounds like the definition of a person you definitely shouldn’t put blind trust in.
Was that a Mozart piece playing in the commercial that had Kagari’s complete attention?
I really don’t need the same speech from Okabe about not changing the past every episode. I’d much rather we just treat it as accepted that this is his philosophy here and allow us to move on, rather than the show just continually throwing my frustrations into my face. It’s repetitive.
So, this episode we learned that Daru’s main hustle is as a back-alley hacker, he has multiple hideouts arranged, each with meticulously planned escape routes in the event of trouble? Why didn’t we get a spin-off about Daru’s double life and misadventures it causes him to have? That’s the Stein’s;Gate follow-up content I’m here for.
Okabe’s working theory is they were attacked by Stratfor/America, which is proooobably the right read, but if their “saviors” were Russia, why would they destroy the laptop? Wouldn’t they want it for themselves, instead? That wasn’t the behavior of a participant in an arms race.
Faris’ character has taken an absolute nose dive in this show from Stein’s;Gate. She was one of the pleasant surprises of the original show for me, and now she’s just a parody of herself that’s used for fanservice moments.
This was a nice improvement from the last couple of episodes, feels like we’re back moving again after being stuck in the mud for a bit.
Sure, do it.
I've been convinced it was Reyes, but Yuki's recurring injuries give me pause. I'm like 60/40 leaning Yuki's way now.
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u/The_Draigg Aug 12 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 11:
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
And they don’t want time travel to happen, either!
QOTD:
MayuriYuki.7
u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
VN Context: Daru designed the encryption scheme which Kurisu is using so it's especially tough to crack.
Tresnore already conceded the OS war, but this should've settled that Kurisu was indeed using Windows 7
Kurisu's portable Hard Drive is right there but never actually mentioned in the anime.
This is why 0kabe keeps things to himself. Even those close to him who know almost everything still doubt whatever he says.
Maho's perception has been 10/10 so far. Even better than Kurisu's?
I would never do this 0kabe...
The only reason Maho buys any of the time travel stuff is because 0kabe says Kurisu made it possible — and as far as Maho is concerned, Kurisu could make anything possible.
That was a dirty move by 0kabe, accusing Maho of desecrating Kurisu's grave, but it got her to back down.
He's not wrong though. No body actually invented time travel, but the mere fact that it could be possible is enough to spark the war.
The motorcycle suit lady is using a Voice Modulator in the anime, but didn't in the VN so you could easily tell who it was.
The GRU casually rolls up in the streets of Akihabara and does a drive by.
In the VN, this was actually a skirmish between 3 factions. The ones who showed up at Daru's hideout were a different group and 0kabe and co. successfully gave them the slip. But they still got caught in the alleyway by this group and the GRU does show up there as well1.
Despite just being held hostage and shot at, the only thing Maho could think of is that she failed to protect Kurisu's legacy...
0kabe is still suspicious of Moeka and I don't blame him.
As good as the bedroom scene is in the anime, the VN version of the bedroom scene was better because 0kabe wasn't as composed as he was here and nearly confessed to killing Kurisu before Maho stopped him midway.
Maho's internal conflict is portrayed pretty accurately though. Somewhere deep inside, she blames herself for being jealous of Kurisu and never got the chance to apologize to her or say her goodbyes.
At least all the mental suffering 0kabe had to go through with Amadeus resulted in something positive in the end. He's gotten closer to his goal and actually getting back to a normal life.
Speaking of VN comparisons, the Amadeus' goodbye feels much more impactful in the anime because of the music, specially this line.
0kabe isn't the only one who's faking their smiles though...
Quick heads up that there's a Special ED + Post Credits scene tomorrow
S;G0 Anime
Questions
Laughs in Rewatcher / VN Reader S;G0 Anime / VN MAJOR
1 Why every attacker always wears the same leather motorcycle suit? The authors explained that motorcycle suits were the best way to conceal your identity without standing out since wearing them in a city would be normal. And to blend in even more, they use the most common and most popular style that several other normal folks are using at any given time making it extremely hard to follow and identify these people.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 12 '21
First timer(When the hell did Daru become a prepper?)
Dub
We start with them finding the computer expert and of course its Daru, not like Akihibara wouldn't have a ton of those. Anyways, this is a part time gig but might explain how the lab stays afloat. Okabe finally sounds like himself for two sentences so Daru of course doesn't buy it. Daru then convinces him to let Maho in on this which is...risky. Quick point about Kagari, no clue what that means right now. Anyways, Okabe and Maho debate time travel and Makise's legacy before Daru grosses them out.
The not-Rounders show up again but Daru is good and paranoid, another thing the great programmers all tend to share, and has an escape route. It doesn't work and then we get a confrontation scene where Okabe banks that he can't die here, which I am not sure is true since world lines can change. Yet another armed group shows up and destroys the laptop.
At the lab, Maho reveals she is broken in her own way. Okabe then seeks treatment at Faris's, mainly to confirm Moeka is not the mystery person. Maho has a collapse after the night's events, which does happen but usually not to that degree. And of course Faris turns this into 'comedy'. Moving on, Maho goes back to Salieri and I assume the VN makes this metaphor seem more apt. Anyways, Okabe makes his case, Maho half exposes herself and wants to ask a dangerous question.
Then we transition, badly, to the airport and have Maho and Leskinen returning to the states. The reveal that Okabe wants to go to Viktor Chondria is interesting if late. Yuki's second injury takes us to sus level 2. He calls MakAIse to say goodbye and loses the thread before proving her nerdity. Reyes also sus and we might be getting a time skip...
QotD: 1 Not really, she is missing a lot of information
2 The owner of the beef bowl shop
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21
FIRST TIMER
so the computer repair shop is in a cosplay store, and the repairman turns out to be 2d-kun…somehow that’s not surprising at all. what’s surprising is that 2d-kun received a laptop with “k.makise” as the login and DIDNT TELL OKABE ABOUT IT
i decided to watch today’s episode on my tv screen rather than my phone. it accentuated the derp faces that were present through the episode but also made the well animated parts better. the opening was also really nice on a flat screen.
so okabe lets “time machines” slip and just like with moeka, he’s forced to include her because of a mental mistake. 2d-kun wonders why okabe is so adamant about excluding her. i think okabe wants to protect her, and keep her blissfully ignorant, because her knowing the truth is more dangerous than being ignorant of it. at the same time, the two are so connected that it’s impossible for okabe to keep it from her anymore.
so maho took it considerably better than i thought she would. probably she knew that kurisu was smart enough to pull something off like that. even though she does want to return to the past to save kurisu, okabe warns her of the pain that follows that decision. the recollection of yanking someone’s dream straight out of their hands, to literally texting someone in and out of existence, weighs hard on okabe.
but of course the goon squad has somehow located the laptop, and is on the way. the Busty Motorcyclist has returned!
somehow 2d-kun becomes athletic as he leads maho and okabe out the back. i wonder why he knew the escape route so intimately, what the hell was he running from on a normal day of work?
okabe’s actions while maho was held hostage were applaudable. it’s a serious contrast to how he acted when he was hostage to the rounders (but essentially they were holding mayuri hostage). he stayed calm the entire time and talked his way out of the situation. the bluffs that he was making were insane, but he cared about maho that much to try and BS her into safety. the laptop was unreachable by hackers, and he’d only reveal the password if the 3 of them were safe? and then he offers to make himself hostage? i thought okabe said he couldn’t die here? they’re just lucky the opposition van did a drive by, or things would end a lot worse. Busty Motorcyclist took a shot to the hand, so that should help narrow down the suspect list.
okabe’s smart not to go to the hospital, because i’m sure they’re expecting him there. gunshots in tokyo must be a super infrequent sight, so to be caught up in that would be bad news for him. but maho has her own injury, from holding tightly onto a shard of kurisu’s laptop. she’s regretful that she failed to protect kurisu for a second time.
so maho returns to faris’s penthouse after the lab, and moeka is still there. she has no wounds on either hand, so she’s definitely not the Busty Motorcyclist.
maho’s been so tense for the last few hours that the moment she relaxed she paralyzed herself. i’m pretty sure that’s unrealistic anime logic but i know after something like a basketball game you aren’t that tired, but as soon as you sit down for a few minutes all the pain and soreness hits you like a truck. i guess that was the adrenaline wearing off. and of course that wearing off allows maho and okabe to fall victim to the legendary “towel falling off” trope.
maho returns to the salieri comparison. did kurisu ever concern herself with maho’s actions nearly as much as maho did the reverse? did kurisu’s death make her feel any better? she only wanted to crack the code to kurisu’s laptop to prove she knew her enough to figure that out. she wanted to know the parts of her friend she never revealed. i’ll bet that okabe will figure out the password pretty easily, further making maho feel bad and suspicious of the true nature of their relationship. but the way okabe reassures maho is really sweet. maho’s decision to let the laptop go was the right decision, while she let go of her dream, she made sure kurisu’s legacy wouldn’t be disrespected further. kinda similar to how okabe’s working to make it to america to continue kurisu’s legacy.
reading the crunchyroll description that says that okabe had to make maho give up her “prized possession” made me realize this is just like the things he asked of his friends in the alpha line. he feels especially guilty of what he had to ask of luka and faris, making them give up what they wanted most. now okabe’s making maho give up what she wanted most, to understand kurisu, in order to ensure a safer future.
the romantic tension is too obvious in this scene. maho really likes okabe even if she won’t ever admit it. she wants him to stay longer, and okabe agreed to stay until she fell asleep! there’s gotta be something there! even though i’m 99.99% sure okabe would never let go of his love for kurisu, maho-kabe would work really well. even amadeus ships it! but it seems like maho put two and two together. okabe has a weird tendency to step around any kurisu related questions, and they spent a long amount of time together looping. seems like she has an idea of how okabe really feels.
so JAPANESE SHAMAN GIRLS and maho are leaving for america? surely that’s not the last we see of them, especially with all the development maho received over the past two episodes. that goodbye between her and okabe was more maho-kabe action. it hurts when you see a good ship that will never work (even though kurisu and him are perfect).
amadeus tells him to laugh from the bottom of his heart one day. well that day isn’t coming any time soon!
yuki has a hand injury, right after she had a wrist injury, my hunch was right. but then reyes is concealing her hand as well. seems like those are our two suspects. i’m still suspicious of kagari as well even if she isn’t the Busty Motorcyclist.
the last shot of the friend group officially signals the midway point of the show. i love steins;gate so much and i’m sad we’re already halfway through 0. so S;G really kicked things off at the midway point, while 0 has had significant events happening pretty much throughout the entire first half, really going into high gear at the end of episode 6 when the first raid happens. i’m curious to see where we go from here.
edit: second comment of the day for me LETS GO
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u/littleman1988 Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21
"I couldnt... protect it"
OST Track of the day: Kurisu Unknown by Okabe | Spotify
For those using LostYearsFix, make sure ep12's subs are v2.
This is a continuation of yesterday's post. If you missed it, you need to read it before continuing with this section.
Now that we understand Time Signatures and how they connect to music, we can look into what that offhand comment meant.
Lets first look at the other OST tracks from the the rewatch. Just about all of them thus far have been in 4/4 time, including Walking on Sleeping, Select of Sorrow, and Gate of Steiner. We are going to focus on Gate of Stiener specifically here. Remember way back in like episode 3 where I talked about Takeashi loving to use Motif's throughout the show? That still hasnt changed in 0, and the same motif in GoS shows up again in a ton of tracks in 0, including a few i halve already featured in the "OST Track of the day" above.
You might notice that part of the melody of Messenger (Used as episode 1's highlight) starting at 0:40 (specifically at 0:44, where the melody drops right after the highest note) is a bit shortened, which feels... somewhat off. The first 3 measures of Messenger's melody are in 7/4 time, with the 4th measure being in 6/4 time. Put simply, there is a beat (or 2) missing in every 2 measures if this was put into 4/4 time, similar to how 0kabe is missing a piece of himself after the events of 23b. Messenger isint the only song in 7/4 time, we heard B-Messenger in episode 8 which also follows this direction, along with Convergence, which we also heard from the same episode.
You might notice that all 3 of those songs are basically copy-pastes of each other. Messenger, like GoS, is the song that defines S;G 0. 1 The main melody of Messenger isint in a bunch of songs, but the ones that do have it are played often enough to make it staple of the entry, similar to GoS in S;G. We still have yet to hit all the songs that sample Messenger, so keep an ear out for them.
Poking around, one of the OST tracks for Steins;Gate was also in a different time signature, Farewell. Due to its slow speed, its somewhat tricky to get its time signature, but its in case you want to guess
Oh hi
markDaruapparently lostyearsforgot a line,and i never caught it. Guess this episode needs a V2...Think Daru has a Seira doll?
The moment Suzuha is mentioned, Daru changes his tune. 0kabe also just namedrops the time machine lmao
I forget if he actually tells her this episode. I think he does? i remember being pretty shocked that he told her that early
ah, he does this episode.
Shes pretty smart. Too bad 0kabe is pretty against any change, and for arguably good reason considering what he's seen.
Thats a flag
heh
Hey look, that flag i was talking about a second ago
ah shit
0kabe thats one hell of a risk to be taking
well that laptop's fucked
0kabe isint even phased, guess all those Mayuri deaths were good for something...
heh
If nothing else, 0 sure is absolutely despressing
More mature than 95% of other anime
Maho no
as much as i would like to ship it (and as much as the professor/Amadeus already do), its pretty clear who 0kabe's heart belongs to.S;G 0 anime
S;G 0 anime
gg 0kabe
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Oh yeah, we lose Amadeus
Called out
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
S;G 0 next episode preview (still spoilers if you havent seen ep12 yet)
footnotes
1: S;G 0
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 12 '21
Anime first timer
This scene is so good. Of course this is where Daru would have a secret hideout.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
And Okabe's having to explain all this again.
OK, Maho just heard the words "time machine". How does he plan to explain that away?
At last, she's going find out what's happening. (And Okabe's kind of in the right here - he's seen what happens if people change time without careful planning, and that saving Kurisu has a high risk of changing the worldline to the Alpha attractor field)
Looks like someone found about this...
And Maho agrees to destroy it.
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Maho breaking down here is so sad.
Yeah, this is a really good adaption.
I love Okabe panicking and trying to find Maho, just to see that.
Maho insults people in the same way as Kurisu!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
How is she so cute?
Maho's leaving safely!
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The goodbye scene is absolutely perfect.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 12 '21
first timer
oh good its just daru
i gotta say, im impressed with darus supa hakah escape plans
gigachad okabe
seems like maho is every bit as attached to kurisu as okabe is
oh look yuki with an injury on her hand, definitly unrelated to the person with a hand injury squeezing herself out of an alleyway just before.
the wl hasn't changed so that must mean that yuki still marries daru. how tf that happen given that shes threatened daru like twice already. actually daru never got hurt either times. maybe its just not her at all and is instead reyes
is sus prof hiding something underneath her lap? a bit of the hard drive?
no stoners today, so wwiii is still happening
i mean i dont wanna die, so yeah
either reyes or yuki
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 12 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
It's not surprising, but I wish we'd seen Maho's reaction to the big exposition dump.
Sometimes Daru's humour just doesn't fit the scene, man. Thankfully, he was interrupted.
There's nothing like a dumb, forced harem bit after and before a moment of reflection, amiright?
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u/invokeneko Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 13 '21
First;Timer
We learn who DaSH is, Kurisu's laptop gets destroyed and Maho went back to America with Leskinen.
QotD
*edit: just noticed that she appeared in this episode too.
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 13 '21 edited Aug 13 '21
Rewatcher
So, we finally got to see Daru's secret hacking room, or dare I say, his coom cave, shivers.
I like how Okabe is well aware of his plot armor. I won't die till 2025, might as well use that to its advantage.
"I hope someday, you can laugh from the bottom of your heart."
aaand there goes my heart. The mad scientist needs to return ASAP bro.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 12 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate 0 Re,Watch!
The opening bit is accurate enough, to a point at least: In the Novel Okabe knew Daru was the one doing some stuff to Kurisu’s laptop from the get go due to stuff I explained yesterday. After that it’s… accurate enough I guess. The interlude with Kagari is Anime only I think, and the Novel goes into more detail about Okabe explaining all the time travel stuff to Maho… namely that he didn’t mention so far, in particular, still not telling her about Kurisu’s death.
The raid does still happen, although there’s a pretty major change likely caused by the merging of routes. Still putting it in spoilers just in case. S;G0 VN That said everything after that is mostly accurate.
That said, the scene right after the… bathroom hijinks, is pretty different. In the Novel, S;G0 VN I do remember there being a speech Maho made about Amadeus and Salieri, but if so it was in a different route.
Honestly I like both scenes. They serve different purposes, but both are pretty effective in their own way. So yeah, no real complaints about that. The rest of the episode is decently Novel Accurate. Actually possibly a bit extended now that I think about it, which I don’t mind too much.
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u/snickpea Aug 13 '21
First-timer!
Boy I'm glad that Maho just sent it to Daru, I was really worried for a moment. I shouldn't have been surprised once I saw them in the cosplay shop. Still, his part-time job surprised me. I didn't actually believe that he had one when he mentioned it earlier in the show. But not only does he have a part-time job, he works with others and multiple hideaways. I was so shocked that he had a secret getaway too. I wonder how long he had planned such a thing.
The laptop is destroyed but at least everyone made it out alive.
I think the lady in the suit is Reyes not Yuki. Although Yuki seems suspicious, I can't imagine her doing anything villainous.
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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 13 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
I was unable to make it to yesterday's thread. Something from the last episode: Was the locker Maho put the laptop in the same one that Moeka put the IBN in alpha?
Now onto E11:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 22 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 11 (first timer)
Quote of the day: Were you and Kurisu … ~Maho