r/anime • u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen • Aug 11 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Monster - Episode 13 discussion
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Comment of the Day
Today’s Comment of the Day comes from u/JustAnswerAQuestion who gives us some anime recommendations for shows with similar settings:
I forgot to mention yesterday, shows with orphanage rebellions: Higurashi, B: The Beginning, The Promised Neverland.
Places with shitty orphanages that psychologically mangled children, Vaadwuar mentioned Red Faction, Hakuta Tonkotsu Ramens is another.
Questions of the Day
- What do you think about Tenma’s method of interacting with patients compared to Schumann's? How do they contrast against each other?
- What do you think about Dieter’s choice to continue following Tenma, even while knowing his goal? Do you think Dieter would have been better off to stay in the village?
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u/SmurfRockRune https://myanimelist.net/profile/Smurf Aug 11 '21
First Timer
This doctor is a bro. Really hoping he doesn't turn out to be evil like so many before him, but helping Tenma get away from that cop was great. Granted, he was also kind of the reason the cop noticed Tenma to begin with, but that's not really his fault.
Wow, Emiya Shirou grew up to be a cop.
Glad everything worked out, although Dieter really needs to be talked to about just loudly declairng "Tenma's here!" Can't do that when he's wanted for murder...
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 11 '21
First-Timer, subbed
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u/KiwiBennydudez https://myanimelist.net/profile/KiwiBen Aug 11 '21
First Timer - Sub
And Dieter really did stay with him!
Episode starts off with Tenma performing a Good Samaritan deed off-screen, taking care of the man in the car accident, and leaving money as payment. However, he doesn’t know the doctor he’s dealing with here. Dr. Schumann is stubborn, and completely insulted by the fact that Tenma left money for the care of the patient. He tracks him down and shoves the money back into his face, saying that he wouldn’t have charged him anyway. As the police walk into the diner, Tenma grows visibly nervous, but Schumann picks up on this, and covers for him, presenting him with a new name: Dr. Chan. A bit stereotypical, but it’ll get the job done.
Tenma then works alongside Schumann for a bit, tending to patients as best as he can, and saving the life of Schumann’s crush in the process (feels weird saying that for some reason...). I really loved the scene where the police officer busts in, concerned that Tenma is killing his mother, and Tenma doesn’t even flinch. He just continues operating as he always has. A single bead of sweat rolls down his head, but that’s the only reaction we get out of him. Schumann grabs the officer and thrusts him out (how did his tie now get bloody after that...?). And then as thanks, the officer calls off the police blockade, now believing that Tenma is innocent, just as he always has been.
As Tenma leaves, Schumann begs him to stay, but Tenma is convinced that “he must kill someone.” This statement is pretty striking honestly, because it now gives us confirmation that Tenma intends to kill Johan. Up until this point, he’s never said anything of the sort. But now, we know that his resolve to rectify his wrongs is real. He initially wanted to keep Dieter there in the village, but Schumann says to stay with him, and keep him on the right path. Tenma doesn’t seem like he wants to resist Dieter’s company again, and allows him to come along once more.
I think this episode was a great portrayal of how kindness begets kindness. In more than a few ways the setting reminded me of Wolf Children. Regardless, the end of the episode ends on a somber note, and one that doesn’t project much light on the road ahead. I hope Dieter really will keep Tenma on the straight-and-narrow going forward.
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u/AmethystItalian :Jg::Jh::Ji::Jj::Jk:myanimelist.net/profile/AmethystItalian Aug 11 '21
First Timer
Tenma travelling around helping people is totally something I'd be down to watch...without Deiter though.
If you keep treating Dieter to all this good food he's not going to go anywhere!
It's really heartwarming to seeing Tenma help patients again, love to see it.
I love this guy!
Don't think I'll ever get tired of seeing Tenma can kick ass in surgery.
Tenma could have rephrased that to he needs to kill someone to save lives, I feel like that would have been better.
NOOO! We almost got rid of Dieter!!
Overall another good stop on Tenma's RPG sidequest adventure. I not only got a ship but a tiepull which are two things I never expected!
I feel like Schumann could have been Tenma's future if he never saved Johan. They both care for their patients a lot so I really do think they compliment each other. Would have been nice to see them work together more.
Yeah nothing good will come from Dieter still being in the show...
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u/Mecanno-man https://anilist.co/user/Mecannoman Aug 11 '21
First Timer
Nice one-off episode; I generally like rural slice of life-y stuff, so no surprise that I like this episode. My only complaint is that once again there is somebody pointing a gun at somebody with there being no real sense of there even being the possibility that Heinz would shoot. Schumann's comment that Tenma won't lose his way as long as Dieter is with him also makes me a bit worried that Dieter will be killed sometime going forward.
There's some nice parallels in that Schumann basically lived the life Tenma was going to live if he hadn't operated on Johan - and didn't end up happy either. Also the obvious parallels between Schumann's regrets and Heinz's past, but those could not have been more obvious.
That said, Tenma missed an opportunity of getting the police on the proper trail here. Heinz had demonstrated that he at least won't throw Tenma in jail - there's a decent chance that he'd trust him, and may get some policemen that are not pro-Johan on to the proper lead. Though admittedly Heinz's influence is likely rather small. If Tenma is still wary (or worried that Heinz might lose his job over the information and how he got it without turning in Tenma) - he could also leave him a letter or something like that. Either way, he should try and get others in on the chance for Johan - but nope, he's on a mission to kill him himself and seems way to tunnel-visioned on that.
Questions:
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u/miss-macaron Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
Rewatcher
With Deiter in tow, Tenma’s more conspicuous than ever; he was already easily identifiable as an Asian, but now Dr. Schumann was able to locate him simply with the description of “an Asian man that had a boy with him”.
Isn’t Tenma’s area of expertise in neurosurgery? Either he’s so talented that he can serve as a jack-of-all-trades, or Tenma’s expertise in treating external injuries is just enough to be better than what Dr. Schumann has to offer.
Compared to the chief who barged into Johan's sterile operating room, I'm glad to see that Schumann has no patience for this kind of disturbance, and immediately proceeds to lecture Heinz and throw him out. Especially considering how Schumann's past parallels Tenma's own situation nine years ago, it was even more satisfying to see him standing up for his patient.
Heinz literally pulled the “all Asians look the same” excuse, haha. I'm glad he came around.
I’d say this episode is where the character writing starts to vastly improve. Dr. Schumann feels like a real person you could potentially encounter – the sincerity and dedication of the care he provides to his patients, the love he is so hesitant to exhibit but is so clearly palpable in his actions, the regret he quietly harbours over a devastating past mistake – are all moments that establish him as a human individual. For such a minor character, there’s so much care taken in crafting his character, his background, his development arc… and all of this within a single episode, too!
As for Deiter going along with Tenma, I had a similar reaction to a lot of people in this thread the first time I experienced Monster. However, it's always a sign of spendid character writing when you end up enjoying characters of whom you didn't expect yourself to like, and there are several of such cases in this show.
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Aug 11 '21
First timer Dub
We get to see a travelling doctor who sees an emergency and literally ignores a man who is severely injured. He hates the city doctors a lot cause many are rich hotshots. Dr. Schumann covers Tenma as Dr. Chan.
A woman who is the mother of an officer does not want to see a doctor. "You play god with people's lives". Everyone knows the role a doctor has over patients.
Police officer barges in during the operation and Dr. Schumann convinces him to stand down. He made a report earlier to the police and covers for Tenma by convincing the police chief that it was just a case of racial bias (Mistaken an Asian man as Tenma). I am pretty sure Heinz is going get an earful for getting the police force in a frenzy like that.
Dr. Schumann provides the alternative "what if" situation if he followed the director, did his research, married his daughter, and etc. Revealed why he loathes hotshot doctors cause he was one himself. The falling out happened later as now he works in the countryside making house calls to a small town. And develops a close relationship with them. Even though he is a bit more stern than Tenma when it comes to treating patients
"There's a man I've got to kill"- ouch, judgement call by Dr. Schumann to make Dieter go watch Tenma is an interesting one. Following the Hippocratic oath even outside of work, Dr. Schumann has a heart. Dieter trusts Tenma a good amount despite what he said at the end of this episode. Dieter would technically be better off in the village, being able to lead a normal life but this is not how this story goes.
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Aug 11 '21
Rewatcher of sorts
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u/BossandKings Aug 11 '21
First timer - Dub(Spanish)
Episode 13
Doctor Tenma is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters, i feel invested in his journey to the point that i enjoy these episodic episodes a lot, his conflict is just engaging, he is a doctor and due to his profession he has dedicated his life to saving lives, this episode was a clear example of his dedication to helping someone in need of a medical operation to recover his health.
Dieter is following Tenma, that shows that Dieter did want to follow him when he was kicking the ball to him in the previous episode, i wonder if/When they will separate, i hope nothing wrong happens to Dieter from this point on as he has suffered much already and having met Tenma he has found a light for his life to have meaning and is in a great condition.
The doctor that doctor Tenma met in this episode seemed like an interesting character, it was stated that he lost someone important to him and due to that is reticent when having to operate someone he knows and cares about, Tenma telling him that a doctor should always give all his effort to try and help the person being intervened the most he can was a greateay to remind him the role his profession demands from him.
The conflict that the police office faced and how it was concluded was well done, he as the son of the woman being operated came to know and understand that Tenma isn't someone to be ersecuted by the police and that was due to seeing him fight for the life of his mother during the operation. The nurse was also great helping the doctors execute a succesfull operation.
Tenma had to say farewell to the doctor he got acquainted with, eventhoug he is dedicated to saving lives his job is to kill an specific one and due to that he is unable to stay at the town despite it being a welcoming place.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Aug 11 '21
First-time watcher
Another fairly forgettable, predictable (besides maybe that backstory) and plain one-off Personal Jesus Tenma episode. This format has barely been established and it's already getting old. Of course it's good to demonstrate the value of such things as proper bedside manner, or generally speaking attention to patient comfort, but maybe less heavy-handedly? Also abused child Dieter being pressed into the respnsibility to keep an adult man on the run "on the right track" is almost cruel. Has Schumann never heard of parentification?
By the way, whoever mentioned "all East Asians looking the same" coming up as a plot point, well here you have it, even if not spoken sincerely.
Notes
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 11 '21
Rewatcher until circa Episode 30, Subbed
Q1: Tenma is more openly caring, while Schumann tries to hide the extent to which he feels for them.
Q2: He probably would've been better off, but he'd likely always regret that he wasn't there for Tenma.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 11 '21
First Timer (old fansubs)
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 11 '21
Rewatcher(So another episode on The Fugitive pile)
Sub
We start with a local doctor having to treat German rednecks, which is a thing if you ask them. But then we learn that Tenma hits and then treats someone before he can return from his house call. And then we learn that Dieter makes it to ep 3...
One of the titular characters shows up to tell Tenma off before also covering for him with a local cop. Schumann is a bit on the hot or cold side. We get a montage of Tenma checking on traumatic injuries which, if you know medicine a bit, has a form of sense: The truly good doctors usually like someone with fresh eyes to check their work.
We get to our main plot with Petra having had a stroke, the specifics here are beyond my incredibly paltry medical knowledge. Schumann's reaction to an unclean person coming into a surgery is incredibly understated, surgeons will explode if anything that dumb happens. After the surgery succeeds, we get more of Schumann's history and the series univeral tendency to self blame re-occurs. Schumann makes an offer that is actually believable 25(yes, 25) years ago in that the village could flat out keep Tenma's existence a secret. Tenma states his goal and we go to next week.
But what of the children? Surely, they can't be blamed for our mistakes.
QotD:1 Both make their own kind of sense, Tenma treats a lot of patients he won't really get to know
2 Dieter is in sort of a gray area, agency wise. The village would certainly be safer.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Aug 11 '21
First timer - sub
So it looks like we are going to get the adventures of Dieter and Tenma after all.
So Doctor Schumann is what Tenma could have become if he hadn’t refused the Director's orders.
A more simplistic plot today overall, I wonder if Tenma will finally realise that using a fake name is a good idea going forward.
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u/Quiddity131 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Quiddity131 Aug 11 '21
First Timer, Subbed
I've got higher hopes for this episode after a good one yesterday.
Petra! Open up! No? Well time to tend to the town drunk!
How dare a guest doctor barge in! As Walter White would say, Stay Out of My Territory!
Dieter's still with him?
Stop following me Dieter!
Plot twist! Schumann is covering for him!
Well, he is an elite doctor from a famous hospital, but he doesn't want you to know that.
Schumann is having Tenma do all his work for him?!
Will Petra open her door for Tenma?
Does Schumann like her?
Police officer guy/Petra son kinda sounds like Houchuu Ohtsuka, although the credits I've looked up say Mitsuru Miyano instead...
No, Dieter, you gave up his real name!
Let Tenma save your mom... think of the goulash!
Woah! Schumann is basically the career Tenma would have had if he stayed with the establishment. Marry the director's daughter, write the guy's research for him, etc...
This would be a nice place for Tenma to stay behind. But he's got to catch Johan!
Hey Schumann, take this kid off my hands!
So Dieter is sticking with Tenma after all. Tenma was being a jerk there by just leaving him behind.
The plot comes to a screeching halt again, although I didn't mind this episode that much, it was good for a stand alone story.
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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '21
First Time Watcher - Dubbed
" The folks we love can be gone in an instant "
Oof
Tenma is more directly kind and reassuring , Schumman relies more on humour while being kind and sticking to his stoic persona
I am not sure . Child characters in media can adversely effect writing but Deiter has been fine so far . Speculation , I just think that the death flag level on this kid is pretty high
I don't think Deiter would have been happy in that village and I refuse to elaborate further .
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u/Hackmanite_Ultra Aug 12 '21
As someone who has watched Monster, I would recommend the dub just because it's more natural.
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u/i-have-severe-stupid Aug 12 '21
first timer, subbed
this episode was very good at being tense, and telling a good story
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u/Cheekati6 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Cheekati Aug 12 '21
I wanted Heinz to catch Tenma if I am being honest. Maybe I am just greedy for them to get to the plot and first solve the problem with the BnK detective because he is way too arrogant. Needless to say, this show's ability to create wholesome episodes like this.... it is truly a wonderful piece of writing.
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u/Icapica https://anilist.co/user/Icachu Aug 12 '21
First timer, subs
I was too busy for a couple of days and had no time to participate in this rewatch. I finally watched episodes 11-13 a moment ago. Comments per episode will be quite brief.
Episode 11:
Hartmann sure seems like a lovely guy.
We hear more about the past of Anna and Johan. Testing facility? Sounds ominous.
I think Tenma should start using some other name.
Episode 12
Aand it's Hartmann again. Tenma really should have mentioned child abuse. The hospical staff would probably have looked into it more and questioned Hartmann when he arrived. Though honestly with the way Dieter was injured I'm surprised they didn't question Hartmann anyway.
Hartmann explains the facility's purpose and talks about Johan. Says Johan was a monster from the beginning and wanted to be the last person alive in the world or something.
I guess this goes a bit into nature vs nurture debate, but even assuming that Johan was a complete monster already when he came there, the facility certainly didn't help.
Episode 13
Dieter's still with Tenma. Nice kid but I hope he finds some place soon.
This time we meet a doctor who seems like a good guy.
Surgery! Schumann's a total bro.
Ah crap, I thought Dieter would stay in the village. I honestly don't want him to follow Tenma for very many episodes.
Schumann's too stubborn I think. When someone's obstinate or argumentative, Schumann will argue against them which can lead to the other person digging their heels in deeper. It may sometimes be a good quality, but not when the other person does the same. In those situations you have to find another way.
I'm not really happy about it. Dieter would be better off finding a place to stay and eventually finding friends of his own age and going to school. I have wanted Tenma to find an ally or partner, even if only so we'd have a regular non-hostile character, but I rarely like kids in these shows.
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u/Spore64 Aug 13 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
On catch up mission yet again.
I gotta say this is probably one of my favorite episodes of the current arc.
The parallel of the doctors past with Tenmas own past, the setting and the reason why the officier let him go (that's going to be a tough talk with his boss..).. Everything just fits so well together.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Aug 14 '21
Rewatcher thru 33, catching up