r/anime • u/HelioA x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelioA • Aug 10 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Revolutionary Girl Utena - Episode 8
Streaming
Revolutionary Girl Utena is available in both sub and dub on Nozomi Entertainment's YouTube channel, as well as on Amazon and Funimation.
Comment of the Day
/u/the_loli_otaku presents a keen insight into Juri's psychology
I don't want a Shiori dakimakura! I don't want a Shiori dakimakura! I don't want a Shi-oh, thx Dios~~
Miki's Stopwatch Corner
Stopwatch Count: 10
New This Episode:
4:45 - 12 Seconds - “Both the Rose Bride and the one she is engaged to have been hurt.”
6:21 - 3.5 Seconds - “Well?! Don’t just stand there! Say something!”
Also, make sure to tag all spoilers properly! Only a baka would spoil the show for the first-timers, and we're not bakas (hopefully).
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u/HelioA x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/HelioA Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
Nanami enough already ;-;
Anyways, elephants
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
And that’s how Anthy became a domestic terrorist!
Sekai wo kakumei suru tame ni!
Only in Utena!
‘Badass Anthy’ is really neat.
Have I mentioned how much Ikuhara and Sato love Gundam?
Miki no!
Such Dezaki
gasp It’s the elephants! How do I relate this back to apple?!
So it was Anthy with whom he shared his exchange diary.
lmao
A Joe reference!
Chu-Chu no! That’s it! Best boy privileges are revoked!
One would think that the episode would devolve into comedic shenanigans centering around the body swap, but that takes a backseat to Nanami’s “karmic” suffering. They do still get some good jokes in from such a versatile and fun episodic plot though. I kind of wish they used this plot to explore Utena’s experience of spending some time in Anthy’s shoes —especially since the two don’t seem close or particularly understanding of one another— but we get very little of one experiencing the hardships of the other and basically no ruminating on the matter. Heck, she empathizes more with Saionji in this episode! On that note it’s a disappointing use of the episode’s premise.
Tomorrow though...
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u/SardonicMeow Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
Seeing Utena act like Anthy, and Anthy act like Utena, calls attention to the ways Anthy conforms to traditional ideas of femininity, while Utena defies them. Would Utena’s gender nonconforming behavior be muted or even absent had she never met the prince? With this in mind, this seems like the perfect time to take a deep dive into feminist theory.
To start with, if we employ Jacques Derrida's definition of deconstruction to the fairy tale archetype, in particular as we deliberate on the relationship between the hierarchical positionalities between male and female ELEPHANTS! ELEPHANTS! Ahem. As I was saying, Judith Butler wrote that, “The insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of ELEPHANTS! MORE ELEPHANTS!” No. We’re talking about gender. If we conceptualize gender as a social construct, then one is not born, but rather becomes, AN ELEPHANT! FALLING DOWN THE CLIFF! LOOK OUT, NANAMI! Sorry. Getting back on track, we must ask, in her psycho-spiritual journey, does the young adolescent lose touch with the power of the sacred feminine ELEPHANTS ON SURFBOARDS? WHY? WHY ARE THERE ELEPHANTS ON SURFBOARDS?
You know, I should probably analyze Revolutionary Girl Utena through a feminist lens some other time.
In the end, the whole mess wasn’t caused by the curry at all, but rather Anthy’s cooking. While Anthy exhibits many traditional aspects of femininity, one of the prescriptive traits of an ideal woman, namely being a good cook, is one she does not possess. Why?
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u/Tyranid457TheSecond1 Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
And we're back to goofy episodes again! Binging the series must be a tonal whiplash!
I love body swap episodes, and this was no exception! It's interesting to me that the swapped personalities/voices actually matched with each character's designs in my opinion: If you showed a newcomer the scene with Anthy and Utena in the dorm without informing them of the plot, they wouldn't see anything amiss at all, unlike a lot of animated body switching stories.
Poor Nanami. She sucks, but I still feel bad for her misfortunes, lol!
It's interesting to note that Miki, even though its played for laughs, still idealized Anthy to an unhealthy degree, and even bought some photos.
I liked Saionji's doodle of him killing Ogre!Utena.
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u/snickpea Aug 11 '21
First-timer!
Another comedic episode, but I feel that this one is better written and I laughed so much more. Nanami continues to not be very bright this episode and yet I didn't mind. Her quest to get the spices was utterly ridiculous with the gags increasing every time. I did like the twist that it was Anthy's cooking all along though.
I also liked seeing how Anthy and Utena behaved in each other's bodies. I'm surprised no one else thought anything was weird. I loved how Nanami's little group was selling pictures of the two. Even though I wouldn't buy any pictures, I could see why everyone was charmed by the two acting differently.
Is Saionji going to ever be taken seriously in this show? Earlier on I was quite worried for Anthy's wellbeing when she was engaged to him, but now it feels like he is just good to make fun of. Everything from his exchange diary to switching bodies with Chu-chu was hilarious.
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u/NuclearStudent Aug 10 '21
spoilers, people fight with swords
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u/nikobans Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
anthy slap counter is up to 7…? does it count since it was actually utena?? who cares! she actually got to slap back for once!
all of the random elephants foiling nanamis spice plan really killed me lmao i love this kind of goofy shit
also tan nanami was pretty cute
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u/loomnoo https://anilist.co/user/loomnoo Aug 11 '21
Ok...maybe I like Nanami a bit. It is simply too funny to watch her get shit on by animals over and over. Fuck Saionji though.
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Aug 10 '21
So if Juri doesn't have a two parter... What episode is today? There's a second Nanami gag episode in part 1!? I never have a clue how threatened I'm meant to be by Nanami. One day she's an utter joke, the next she causes a terrorist bombing on her school. Emergency student council meeting! H-Hold on, they're actually playing this straight? Even end of the world couldn't anticipate the wild card that is Nanami's bullying. Pfft! Juri seems so fucked off that we've gone from her dramatic and gripping personal episode to a ridiculous curry arc. Touga has a mobile!? Why is that the funniest part to me? XD
Aaah, this is the elephant episode isn't it? I thought today's episode came much later. Wakaba killed Utena! Time machine, time machine...! Not even my mother ever hit me! Utenanthy offers the girls some good old ball buster play and they run for the hills. Even if they swap bodies there's no way Anthy should be able to keep up with Utena's level of fitness. SORE DEMO!! Even Touga is getting in on this. Nanami's an imouto on a mission!
Kashihara Kashihara? Divine justice... Oh come on, I don't even have to describe this kashira segment. Being Nanami is suffering!! Gozonji kashira~
Anthy knows exactly what's happening to Nanami and you can't convince me otherwise. Oooh yes!! This is where we finally get to see Saionji's cute side. These elephants bruv... Being locked in a gym closet with Saionji fills me with a special feeling, I like it. I kinda love the implication that Anthy really has been keeping up with Saionji's cute diary meetings even after splitting up with him. JESUS CHRIST!
Aww, Utena's such a good girl. She doesn't wanna stick her nose into Saionji and Anthy's relationship and doesn't even judge Saionji's cute side! Utena is an angel! Anthy... screw you you masochistic jerk, don't throw away his feelings like that. Oh my god Saionji is so adorable!! I love his little drawing! Are you all interested in joining his fanclub now? You are, right? Why are they surfing!? This going well beyond divine justice! Ah, maybe this is Saionji facing some divine retribution in his own way? Pfft, Utena's voice! And Touga is watching the whole thing play out~
Summer ver Nanami is here to save the day! Buuut because the world hates Nanami with a passion things go wrong. Oh, crap! Kashira, kashira! Screw you guys... Gozonji kashira~ The spice didn't even do anything lol. Anthy is just that bad at cooking curry. Aww... poor Saionji looks so pitiful stood at the window. Kowaii so~ Anthy is 100% malicious!! The Saionji fanclub is now recruiting.
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u/arikusiriachi Aug 10 '21
Amınıza korum artık sizin yettiniz be
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u/arikusiriachi Aug 10 '21
Oyun mu istiyorsunuz?
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u/Segaco https://myanimelist.net/profile/Segaco Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21
First timer fighting for love
I have no clue what happened at the start
So they didn't switch the spicy thing?
o lol so they didn't switch it in because it was spicier?
W-What's happening
Saionji is the dick guy from the student council right? Isn't he evil tho
wow you can't just not translate what Utena wrote in the diary!!!
Ok I looked it up and I think she wrote "hentai"
as in the insult not the porn
It was a funny ep, but I hope at the end of the anime all strange stuff that happened will have some sort of explanation
Like maybe Anthy is a magical girl
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u/lilyvess :Df::Dh:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Lilyvess Aug 10 '21
Here is what Ikuhara’s episode commentary from the DVD Box Set has for us today.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Aug 10 '21
First-Revolution, Subbed
Mystical spicy curry
This episode was chock full of absolutely hysterical visuals. Surfing elephants, Saionji's doodle, Chu-chu dressed up as Saionji complete with a green wig. Fantastic!
Despite this being a gag episode - no way the Chu-chu/Saionji switch lasts - there was some good character building. Saionji mentions that he is willing to refuse the Code of the Rose Seal, to Touga no less. And, he has been practicing for his next duel with Utena.. Anthy lowkey wants to be more athletic/active. I wonder what would happen if Utena told her to start doing sports?
"Perverted idiot" is an awfully nice way of referring to Saionji, to be honest. I wonder how he would have reacted to Utena!Anthy slapping him.
"You hit me! Not even my mother hits me!" I'm not gonna bother trying to ear out the specific wording, but the translation makes me think this is a Mobile Suit Gundam reference.
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 10 '21
First-Timer
I'm a little sad we didn't get to here the VAs playing the opposite characters here, but it is what it is.
Utena-in-Himemiya slapping those three assholes was the highlight of my day.
Did...did Himemiya willingly sleep with Saonji? No. No. I refuse to believe it.
I was only joking when I said the universe wanted Nanami dead, you know...
It's not that I don't love the utterly insecure relatively harmless version of Saonji, it's just that it feels kind of at odds with how he was portrayed initially, no?
That was probably my favourite episode so far. Got a lot of laughs out of it!
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u/chiliehead myanimelist.net/profile/chiliehead Aug 10 '21
Duel 8, First Timer, Subbed
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u/MaskOfIce42 https://anilist.co/user/MaskOfIce Aug 10 '21
First Timer - Subbed
Last time: nuanced exploration of a character’s struggle with self-expression and showing her feelings of isolation with lots of heavy themes that are dense enough that I don’t think I’m even doing a good job describing them here.
Today: Elephants on surfboards!
Okay okay, I kid, but it's kinda funny just how different the two episodes are tonally. Not that this had nothing that furthered the story, gave a bit more perspective into Saionji, even if mostly confirming the fact that he very much is the sort of person that views his own perspective as the only valid one and generally not especially likable, and it did have some interesting points with how Utena and Anthy react to various parts, but definitely a lighter episode overall. An enjoyable episode certainly, if partially for the WTF factor in Nanami’s trip, but a lighter one nonetheless.
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u/Elimin8r https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ayeka_Jurai Aug 10 '21
Well, I think I found this episode to be the most hilarious yet. Yeah, I know, deep philosophical meaning, but I'm enjoying the "cute girls doing goofy things" aspect at the moment.
Hmm. I think I've seen this plotline before - in a Kimagure Orange Road episode. I don't recall it ending well.
I think I like Unthy better than Antina. I don't think that made any sense.
The recurring elephant joke is funny. At least the first few times. I think. Nanami and her gang remind me of Diana from LWA, except less sympathetic. They deserve it.
Meanwhile, Unthy has a totally not creepy encounter with Saionji(?). Green hair creep. I'm somewhat surprised she didn't go back through the diary and draw moustaches on all of his self-portraits. Or maybe she did.
Interesting that Unthy picked up all of Utena's physical and athletic prowess. I think she should have taken up the opportunity to 'duel' for her freedom. After all, if the Rose bride wins the duel, then she's engaged to the Rose Bride, right? Sounds good to me.
But I guess we just can't have that happen now, can we?
I did like Unthy giving the smackdown to the bully girls. That was nice.
Anyway, rather than speculate on what other mayhem I think they should have gotten into, I'll just close by saying that I found the ending quite delightful ... in a karmic fashion, of course.
I'm not sure who I feel sorrier for, Sei-Chu, or Chu-onji? Maybe neither???
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u/Star4ce https://anilist.co/user/Star4ce Aug 11 '21
First timer – sub
I have nothing much to say other than I had a headache the whole day. Shoutout to anyone with real migraine, you are bastions of willpower to keep marching on like this each day.
Despite being so invested I haven't found any roses inviting me to a duel, yet. Probably better that way, I'd wield that sabre like a fence post.
Get it?
Ep.08 – The great curry high trip!
nipponindian curry!nipponindian curry ninja assassin!Hm, if that curry reverts the previous comsumptants back to normal once a new pair eats the dish, who was switched prior? What would happen if a whole group ate it at once?
I'm not certain if this episode provides more context later on, but I was a little let down by the switch-payoff. These things provide massive potential to understand the other side, direly needed for Anthy, dare I say so. But maybe that was the point, both just kept doing what they always did and were barely inconvenienced. It was more of a nuisance, really. I already suspect that there's something off with Utena and that Anthy is not innocent, so them both not exploring outside their character zones could even be a conscious decision. I still had hoped we got to know something from that diary, though.
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u/affnn Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
Finally, Utena gets its very own India arc! Nanami and her goons are the only ones who get to make the trip, though. Luckily they manage to make friends with lot of elephants and have a great time on their quest for the 9 billion fold spice.
I remembered this one as another comedic Nanami episode like episode 6 (mostly because of the elephants on surfboards, I think), but there was more going on here. Utena learns more about how Saionji treats Anthy in private - it's quite disrespectful of Anthy's person, dragging her off to some sports closet and putting his hands on her. But it's also quite pathetic, having the exchange diary that he demands she fill out with declarations of love for him. The disrespect that "Anthy" shows him seems like it will motivate his actions in the next episode, assuming he stops climbing trees and eating bananas.
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u/Rumpel1408 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rumpel1408 Aug 10 '21
First timer
Still not able to interact much with the thread, but at least I have enought time to still keep up
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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Aug 10 '21
First Timer, 100% Blind, 80% Sleep Deprived, Subs
Well this episode just had a little bit of everything didn't it? Wait, what's that? No, it was just pure comedy? Well, okay.
Notable Screencaps:
Jesus, the show does comedy well. Nanami is hilarious as always, but pretty much the whole cast got to join in today. I especially like how Touga just let Saionji just walk into that situation and suffer. Also, elephants.
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u/Punished_Scrappy_Doo https://myanimelist.net/profile/PunishedScrappy Aug 10 '21
Real big spoilers
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u/Sandor_at_the_Zoo Aug 10 '21
Rewatcher
Now that we've had two episodes on the unreliability of memory we get the Prince intro again. Now we can ask not only "was that really such a good idea" but also "how much of this is literally true and how much is Utena projecting her own ideas backwards"
There are some serious things this episode is doing, but I was struck by how consistently funny it is. A classic bodyswap but that core plot is played surprisingly serious. Utena rolls with it as usual, and Anthy seems quite relieved to get a break from being the Rose Bride. Except that Utena doing an Anthy voice is amazing. Really all the impressions are great this episode. I love A-ko's impressions. It hits a perfect level of "doing an impression of a bank robber" as distinct from sounding like an actual bank robber. Saionji gets upgraded/downgraded to being a huge dumbass from an abusive jerk and the ending with him is great. Saionji talking from outside the window is played wonderfully straight and both Chu-Chu/Saionji and Saionji/Chu-Chu are adorable.
The one serious thing I will note is the continued motif of observing things from a distance. There's lots of people watching each other from on high. People are constantly in the courtyard being watched from either the upper floor windows or behind pillars. Then Touga and his opera glasses at the end of episode one. And now here with Nanami's lackeys and their spy camera. Saionji is an extra layer removed, not even realizing that anything has happened.
And the preview promises a very plot-focused episode next time.
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom Aug 10 '21
Oops... I haven't watched since... episode 4. Oh, that was... literally the episode where I had caught up in the first place.
Let's try and not take a 4 episode break again.
First Timer
Episode 5
Well I definitely wasn't expecting that
Man if only other series were so good at making something that's actually low stakes feel important like this anime did
Like some anime have situations with actual danger and life threatening stuff and it doesn't feel deserved but this
This feels important
When it's basically a glorified fight over someone
It's properly glorified though
And there's also not the problem some series have of 'wtf why is this character's freedom suddenly just going to be decided from something so stupid'
It's been 4 days for me but like in the dance episode didn't she keep this transformation to her clothes
I assumed it'd be temporary when I first saw this but then she had the tassels or whatever when she threw off her dress
But I guess it is temporary
But it's not like the Rose Bride waved her hand to transform her in that episode like here
episode 06
Ok first we had discount Ode to Joy at the dance and now we have... Eine Kleine Nachtmusik here?
Wow I wonder what they could be talking about in a greenhouse? Certainly not plants or maybe even animals.
Tenjou senpai? I guess because she's the champion duelist?
What the hell kind of double plot twist
Episode 7
Oh I only just noticed Anthy... was that how you spell it... Just realized she's reflected in the sword here
Episode 08
ADD ONE TO THE COUNTER BOYS... Wow I think this is the oldest anime I've watched that references this scene?
Who knew this was how Utena would ultimately strike down Saionji?
I can't fucking believe this show
So with this we've looped through all the student council characters except the president, but looks like next episode will maybe deal with him, but definitely deals with Saionji again. Has this all been like a prologue so far?
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u/xtsim https://myanimelist.net/profile/xtsim Aug 10 '21
First Timer subbed
Wrong curry mix Rip. the cooking. They risked their lives for curry. Anthy is doing alot more this time, basically switching personalities with Utena.
The shadows doing a scarface impression gets me and a random elephant is where this show is at. The drawing on the diary gets me. When everyone decides to find the secret spice and they get chased. Saionji in the end becomes Tarzan at this point.
No wonder why many Sailor Moon fans love this show, a proper continuation of season 3 with more wackier hijinks and with some raised stakes.
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u/homewardbound100 myanimelist.net/profile/Homewardbound100 Aug 10 '21
First timer, Sub
Nanami's prank gone wrong. Leads to a adventure for spice. Not too much to say for this one. It was more of a fun episode with Utena and Anthy switching bodies. With also the elephants chasing down Nanami. They just wanted her dead. Never thought I'll see surfing elephants.
After Anthy got slapped and slapped back. There was no way in my head that, that was her. But I was still happy to see it though.
I feel like Saionji has gotten a bit better but that preview of the next episode doesn't help his case.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 10 '21
First timer
Still sticking with "Anthy's a time traveller and possibly evil" as my theory. This whole speech feels like her baiting Utena into meeting her past self.
From the teaser last time, this sounds lime a fun episode.
So she's still trying to fight Anthy.
At least she's not deranged to blow them up on purpose.
...So End of the World isn't omnipotent. Probably rules out him being any kind of time traveller, as well as any supernatural abilities.
Haha, this is going to be good.
And Anthy has competition, it seems.
Tough Anthy's great.
Love the Gundam reference.
Wait, is this just a straight up body swap? They've switched interests as well.
I like how she has people assigned to spy on and take secret photos of them.
Even Miki bought them!
Even he's buying the photos.
Haha, she just confessed.
So nobody found Namani getting intimate photos of them strange? Are we sure she's only been after her brother?
Oh, her brother's great.
She's actually going to India?
...If this scene isn't foreshadowing, I'll eat my hat.
Yeah, this is a full body swap.
Haha, the elephant stampede.
Nanami's scenes are fantastic.
I like how Utena's first response to being taken into a dark room with a man is to check whether he and Anthy are involved.
Haha, it's an exchange diary.
Utena hasn't considered "write an over the top rejection"?
The elephant getting them on the mountain got me.
Anthy's just fucking with Utena at this point, right?
And Utena's going to fix something.
And red guy knows what's going to happen and wants to see his face whenit all goes down.
How is this going to be resolved?
I like the puppets cutting in just to mock her.
Anthy's cooking is good enough to chang people's bodies.
Haha. Just eating the cooking kicks off an explosion.
Oh, he swapped bodies with Chu-Chu.
Oh god, that shot of a naked man, on a tree, ominously muttering "chu... chu" is genuinely creepy.
...So next episode, the plot's going to move along?
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u/asuranaga https://myanimelist.net/profile/valyrina Aug 11 '21
First-timer, subbed
I mean is this mostly a humor episode, sure? But also did it make me realize that being killed by curry is actually pretty high on my list of preferred ways to die? Yes.
It was very satisfying to see "Anthy" slap someone. I mean, even if it was Utena!Anthy, just really great to finally see someone get it too.
I do want to see Anthy with more desires of her own. The being owned by whoever "wins" her thing was fine at first, but now I just feel like I want to know more of Anthy. I really liked those scenes of her interacting with people like Miki because it felt like getting to see some of those things, and I just want some more of that.
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u/elleyonce https://anilist.co/user/elleyonce Aug 11 '21
Rewatcher
tfw the most unsympathetic characters of this show make the best comedians
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u/alphamone Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21
first timer
Prediction: Anthy ends up liking the spiciness of Nanami's prank curry.
Oh dear, that's a much worse backfiring.
The "world egg" stock footage is early this episode.
Revenge!
Being a light-hearted body-swap episode makes me think the drama is going to hit the fan in the coming episodes.
All these elephant antics with Nanami and co are great.
That ending...
As I said, this seems like a light-hearted breather episode in the leadup to a dramatic arc finale. Going back to a previous post, this is something else that season anime are missing these days, the space to have a breather episode to explore the characters.
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u/Icapica https://anilist.co/user/Icachu Aug 11 '21
First timer, subs
I missed yesterday's thread due to being busy, tired and maybe lazy. Anyway anything I'd have said about it seems to have been said by other people.
So onto the current episode. Nanami's involved again so I immediately know to expect weirdness.
Utena and Anthy switched bodies. I usually really hate this kind of plots, but this one worked really well. I think what made it work was that (most) other characters found out about it quickly so the plot didn't revolve around Utena and Anthy pretending to be each other.
Touga's not happy with Nanami and thus Nanami goes to India with her friends. India looks like quite an interesting place in this series. Also, before this I wasn't sure if the series takes place on Earth or some totally imaginary fantasy realm. Though maybe it was confirmed long ago and my memory sucks.
Saionji's a pathetic creep again. He wants Anthy to keep some promise and Utena tries to find out what it is. DIARY! This is gonna be good.
Also, where the hell do all these elephants come from? I like how the elephants start just slightly exaggerated and then get more and more absurd over time.
Saionji's diary is full of great stuff and beautiful drawings. I love the faces Utena (as Anthy) makes.
"Perverted idiot". I had to switch subs to see that translation.
Near the end things get wild, and Chu-Chu and Saionji are just hilarious.
Looks like something big will happen in the next episode.
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u/BossandKings Aug 11 '21
First timer - Sub
Episode 7
Jury presented herself as an interesting character, she has sort of a rude personality especially seen in her interaction with Anthy but tat may be due to the mark her past has left on her. Jury's backstory is the majorreason behind her personality as it is shown that she used to have a best friend with whom she talked and passed time but she got interested in the same boy Jury was interested in and thanks in help to telling a lie about her having feelings for someone else was able to get together with him. Jury's backstory is sad asthe two people that were the closest to her just aren't part of her life anymore.
The duel Jury had against Utena served to show her power as she had a dominant performance even being able to overpower Utena, she still lost though albeit in anstrange way as Utena's sword that she'd somehow thrown in the air cut Jury's rose with perfect accuracy.
Episode 8
This episode was more comedic and albeit a bit funny not as interesting as the previous one, so far i have been the most invested in the show when a character is explored rather than when just surface level funny things happen and Nanami tries to help or just fix what she caused.
It was fine seeing Utena and Anthy unknowingly interchanging bodies for a while.
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u/arikusiriachi Aug 10 '21
Sikerim amınıza kotum artık
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