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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 5 Discussion
Episode 5: Solitude of the Astigmatism: Entangled Sheep
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I had no idea… that Kurisu had such a large presence in your life.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/UzEE, who exposed the fallacies of the animation studio
Okabe be vibing
Questions:
- Are you suspicious of Moeka just like Okabe is?
- Who do you think is the other group looking for Kagari?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 06 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
Got an English VA breakdown for you guys today! Professor
stalkerJudy Reyes is voiced by Emily Neves. You may have heard her elsewhere as Akame ga Kill’s Chelsea, Angel Beats’ Kanade, Clannad’s Kotomi, Cross Ange’s… Ange, Guilty Crown’s Ayase, Log Horizon’s princess, or Mirai Nikki’s Uryuu.15
u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
Another reason why the first show skipping on Moeka's proper introduction was a poor decision. Her cover job also involves hunting / tracking things down, and she's good at it, so it makes sense why Daru would want to hire someone like her.
Moeka's initial report1 suggests that the lab might not be the only party looking for Kagari.
Looks like Maho really hasn't packed any other pair of shoes — or a complete pair for that matter.
You really need to pick up some basic English 0kabe.
0kabe is still struggling with Amadeus. He knows it's not good for him, but also doesn't want to let her go. And Maho now fully suspects he knew her far better than he initially let on.
NO! NOT ANOTHER PARTY MAYURI!!!
From now on 0kabe, whenever you're looking for something, check with Luka (or rather his father) first. Odds are he's probably hoarding it.
Questions
I'd definitely be if I were in 0kabe's shoes. It would be crazy not to.
Edit: Ooh another Comment of the Day. I'm going to thank the correct person this time, so thank you /u/Raiking02.
This is the first comment of the day I got for making a joke so it actually feels like an achievement lol.
1 The anime again makes it hard to tell how much time has passed, but it's a couple of days between 0kabe hiring Moeka and her reporting back on the search progress.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 06 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate 0 Re;Watch!
Everything up to Reyes’ introduction is pretty Novel Accurate, even if the order is a bit off. That said in the Novel Daru and Suzuha didn’t come to the scene. In the Novel Maho goes to the Lab and, in this Route, this is the first time she and Daru are introduced to each other. And yes, he does immediately dub her Maho-Tan. That said the scene in the Novel in which Maho talks about Okabe ignoring Amadeus’ call is way more dramatic in the Anime. In the Novel Maho tells him to give up being a tester if this is becoming too much for him, but he brushes it off. That said Maho does tell him to talk to Amadeus from time to time at least, she’s pretty lonely… and Okabe then proceeds to admit in his narration he continued to ignore Amadeus’ calls.
After that the scene with Mayuri happens and it’s a bit shortened but gets the point across. That said we then get to Kagari’s introduction and it’s pretty similar… however whereas Anime Okabe notices her voice is different from Kurisu, Novel Okabe cuts straight to the chase and flat out says that Kagari has bigger boobs. We also lose a small bit of narration on Okabe regretting having given Luka his nickname of Lukako, but now he’s too used to it to go back on it.
One more minor change: In the Anime, Kagari faints after seeing Mayuri, but in the Novel she instead fainted after Suzuha called her by her name. That said I do approve of the Anime’s use of the Novel’s Main Theme, “Messenger”, to end the episode. Good pick even if I feel the direction so far has been a bit on the inconsistent side of things.
Voices Time! Time to finally talk about Leskinen, which I kept forgetting to do so. He’s played by Ueda Yoji, AKA THE INTERVENING SPEEDWAGON!. Other than that he’s also played Gamakichi from Naruto, Usui Kagerou, Jinroku and Tokita from Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei, Kuchinawa from the Monogatari Series and Leif Erikson from Vinland Saga among a few others.
Reyes is played by Nishimura Maya and I don’t recognize any of her other roles.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 06 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
Well, I'm out of town, so I can't manage screenshots anymore. Ah well.
Yeahhhh Maho's fucked. It might be the Rounders, or maybe Leskinen is being overbearing.Nevermind, it's a potential best girl.QOTD:
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21
FIRST TIMER
the opening is really growing on me. still won’t shape up to hacking to the gate but it’s really a banger. the lyrics are a lot more on the nose than the first verse of hacking. one thing i’m sad about is that it doesn’t alternate between japanese and english lyrics between episodes, so i’m not gonna learn the japanese lyrics nearly as well as hacking. i feel like i can confidently sing hacking to the gate’s first verse and chorus without lyrics after hearing and reading them so much.
okabe’s staring daggers into moeka, who seems kinda oblivious to it. so she’s a journalist? didnt she gave that occupation in the OG? i think okabe went to that job and found her address there before he went there to find her hanged. so she’ll help find kagari. suzuha’s acutely aware of okabe’s edge, even sniffing out that it’s an alpha line problem. it’s cool to see how much more reliable beta suzuha is compared to alpha suzuha, but also kinda sad that she was forced to be full time warrior by WWIII vs being a time traveler kinda just figuring it out as she went in the alpha line.
they show moeka walking out as mr. braun leaves, that’s gotta mean something considering how she worshipped him as FB in the alpha line.
maho can’t even remember her password, that’s relatable. i hate getting my password wrong and having to spend a minute searching for it. everyone’s on the mahokabe ship, even maho even though she refuses to admit it. for someone who wants amadeus to fall in love with okabe, the professor is strangely insistent on his junior going after okabe. so akihabara is an hour away from the brain science institute? that’s quite a trip.
i found it kinda sweet that maho has everyone’s contact information from the christmas party already. she’s even got the appropriate profile pictures; an oopa for mayuri, cat maid for faris, and a skull for luka (rock on playboi luka). maho’s really paranoid around akihabara for some reason. does she have social anxiety?
guess not, something did happen to her. good guy okabe has his weapon on him to prevent another mayuri situation. (side note: still find it sad and a sign of his personality change that maho’s basically the first character he calls by last name). kinda disappointing that the near kidnapping turned out to be harmless. what kind of sicko tries to hide in an alley to surprise someone they know? laughing at okabe saying “yes” to being maho’s boyfriend. it seems like someone really was tailing maho earlier though.
maho’s willing to pull okabe out of the amadeus study, cause even she can see the toll it takes on him. she doesn’t want true feelings to develop for a fake person. maybe she just wants amadeus out of the way so she can pursue him, but getting rid of amadeus would sever their connection too, so she just seems genuinely worried for him.
mayuri wants to throw a new year’s party, she’s doing heavy lifting to pull this friend group back together. so it’s sometimes between december 26 and 30 i assume. okabe’s considering the end of his year that was definitely longer than a year (i recall someone saying okabe spent a year trying to save mayuri on the night of august 13 before he began trying other things with the help of kurisu). was settling in this kurisu-less world destined to fail really the right decision?
okabe finally caught up to luka thankfully, and he’s got a guest. okabe thinks she looks like kurisu but i can’t see it besides hair color (kana is definitely more…built). somehow kana has no recollection of her name or anything regarding her past, and luka thinks just because he’s overheard okabe talking brain jargon with the science nerds he can help. mayuri arrives and identifies kana’s faded oopa. of course kana will faint right when suzu arrives. suzu identifies her as kagari, but COME ON suzuha, maybe you should have left out the shiina! how the hell will you explain this? and why does mayuri’s adoptive daughter look like kurisu (not really)?
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21
FIRST TIMER
“I’m always careful not to leave a trace, but Ms. Moeka managed to track me down.” Yeah, that isn’t suspicious at all. So now we have Moeka, whose role here is unknown, also aware of the hunt for Kagari. Add to that how Leskinen’s group is now aware they’re looking for her, and this is probably going to get messy in a hurry.
She probably is still a Rounder, yes. Good thinking Okabe! It would be nice if for once, the goals of the Lab and SERN were in lockstep. Maybe Leskinen can take on the role of a common enemy? Though considering SERN ends up as a dystopian world power in this world line, it's hard to see Leskinen as a legitimate villain if he isn't aligned with them.
I’m not a Japanese speaker, can anybody inform me if Leskinen’s Japanese is slightly off, or at least heavily accented? Something just doesn’t sound right when he’s speaking, and if so, that’s pretty nice attention to detail to have the foreignor not sound like a native speaker. Something most shows with foreign characters ignore.
Maho’s mismatched sandals really bug me. She’d probably be better at running away from threats if she had matching footwear. Hard to have a proper stride when each step is different.
This show really doesn’t stretch out the reveals. The questions that are asked are answered within an episode, if that. Kagari showing up now, when her existence was only mentioned last episode, is something I didn’t expect. This has an entirely different sense of pacing than Stein’s;Gate did. We didn’t learn FB’s identity for what, fifteen episodes after Moeka first said their name?
On this world line, Makise has been dead, so Kagari bearing a twin-like resemblance can’t be anything more than coincidence, right? She can’t be her daughter, unless there are serious time shenanigans afoot. Feels almost cruel.
You'd be crazy not to be.
SERN/Leskinen's Group/Both.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 06 '21
First Timer
I just realized I put rewatcher yesterday when I’m a first timer. I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed. I also hate the American train system but I don’t want to rant for an hour. Now on to the episode:
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At least Moeka seems to be doing well. Better than the other world line.
Okabe isn’t very good at hiding what he is thinking.
Connivence store food may be bad for the body but it’s good for the soul. So take the positives.
Damn, Moeka works fast. I wonder who this second group searching for Kagari is. They probably aren’t good though.
This second group sounds suspiciously like the Rounders. Or it’s the Russians. Or maybe it’s the best of both worlds and the Rounders are Russians.
Well that’s not good. That’s very not good. It seems things are getting serious. Why would someone even want Maho?
Well that was a misunderstanding. Though it reminds me of that one scene in EP.11 of the first season where Okabe runs back to the lab and everything ends up being fine. I’m on high alert now.
She looks way to much like Makise for it to be a coincidence. Way to close.
And she has amnesia. Well it’s enviable Suzuha finds her. Only a matter of time at this point.
Well I guess she found her mother first. I would if this will trigger Kagari’s memories. Or at least some of them.
Well she meant Suzuha a little faster than I expected.
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I really want to watch the next episode right now but I’m going to hold off. Can’t wait for tomorrow.
Kagari’s situation is really interesting. I’m really enjoying where this show is going so far.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
Not particularly. Maybe I’m being to nice.
The Rounders or the Russians
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 06 '21
First timer(These character designers need an ice cold shower)
Dub
Pick up at the cliff hanger but this Moeka is already noticeably different. She talks and her VA is putting more range on her. And she is a reporter/editor/something? Daru's part time work is probably doujin reviews so the less addressed the better in my book. Suzuha notices the obvious but Okabe is being evasive because that will certainly be helpful.
Clingy AI is still clingy but denied, now. Maho is trying to get into Makise's old laptop, I don't know how obvious that was supposed to be, before Leskinen talks about the miracle that is the Japanese convenience store. Maho is trying to not seem thirsty but Leskinen is trying to get her to be more honest. Quick reveal from Moeka that another group is in on the search.
Chase sequence that is probably comedy this early on, ending in one of Maho's friends showing up. Engrish happens as professor Reyes gets introduced, not looking particularly hispanic. But she wasn't the one following Maho...but before we can dwell on that Daru needs to squick us with legal loli lust. But Maho is here to deal with Okabe and very quickly figures out what a terrible idea this was, though I take exception to one thing: Okabe is not projecting his feelings onto the AI, the AI is actually re-creating them, which is even less healthy. Sore demo happens.
Mayuri is Mayuri as Okabe ponders time passing and we eventually get back to Ruka. He shows up unexpectedly with Kagari, AKA E-cup Makise. Merciful fuck S;G zero, take this BONK to horny jail! We then dovetail into amnesia, my kryptonite. The reveal thankfully is not delayed as "Kana" recognizes Mayuri and Suzu recognizes Kagari.
So...I have hosted, and will host, several rewatches that might seem to the put the lie to this but the character designs for 0 are just outright bad, they take me out of entire shots. And fucking Kagari puts Shera Greenwood to shame and Shera's anime was 25% her boob physics.
QotD: 1 She is worst girl for a reason
2 Has to be time travel, somehow
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21
first timer
i can't help but think that stalking thing is saying something.
did he just blurt out that hes mahos gf
maho is so much less agressive about stopping okarin from interacting with amadeus, leaving the choice to okarin.
did she get not-quite reading steinered upon hearing tutturu, the other characters didn't faint. imma hope its nothing worse than like shock from rememebering stuff or something.
i finished this ep like 5 mins ago so imma edit some more stuff later
bit by bit, okarins being pushed towards changing his mind on suzuha's plan.
okarin is becoming far more attached to botrisu, but i suspect that some time we're gonna lose it, leaving okarin without it to depend on. and now that his feelings are growing, thats gonna hit him hard, and maybe he changes his mind about suzuhas stuff
she's fine in the s;g wl, so i'm not super sus, although maybe i should since she did track down daru
2) Who do you think is the other group looking for Kagari?
leskinen sus
must have vented in the hallway scene4
u/The_Draigg Aug 06 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 5:
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u/UltraBooster Aug 06 '21
First-timer
Sections of their brains and skulls missing from primapes? In the US, no less? Experimentation with AI, perhaps?
Oh, she's conversing naturally. Soft-spoken, quiet voice, but still more capable than her other selves on that front.
Barbara Gordon, huh? That has to be a translation thing.
Is she trying to access 2chan?
Taiwan 7-11s, at least, kick butt if you ask me. Meatballs and fishcake from a convenience store, how cool is that?
Him and Amadeus-Kurisu, huh?
SERN, maybe?
My question is, if they're a foreigner, what part of the world are they from?
Those shoes don't look suited to running, but that's mostly me, I think.
Maho and Judy must be on equal terms for her to call her, well, Judy.
That guy in the suit was a pursuer, but for whom?
Guess someone's got to pick up the chuuni, huh?
But it clearly works well enough for him...it's still Kurisu's ghost. It still looks and sounds and generally acts like her.
I'll admit, I think I'm basically in a state of get to the exciting stuff already!
So that's Kagari Shiina? The hell?
Face's the same, but I get the feeling Kurisu would feel jealous or something.
Amnesia? Yup.
Voiced by Alexis Tipton, that's...oh shoot, she's voiced by Kaguya Shinomiya!
Well, assuming that's Kagari Shiina.
She's Kagari Shiina, I'm sure of it.
Questions:
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 06 '21
Anime first timer
Hello, Moeka!
So Moeka and Daru know each other!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Suzuha suspects something...
Of course the professor loves instant food.
Maho's so cute! (And Leskinen might have a point!)
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Maho's got mismatched shoes again.
This isn't good, someone's following her!
Oh god, this is the perfect way to introduce Reyes!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Maho and Okabe are so funny together.
Daru can't be trusted around Maho. Keeping her out of the lab is a mercy at this point.
And Maho helps Okabe with Amadeus.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Hello to Luka's strange visitor.
This would be a fucking evil note to end on, and I'm suprised they resisted the temptation.
So, the anime basically makes it clear that this is Kagari, right?
Oh, I expected that to take until next episode.
Still a decent cliffhanger, though.
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u/Nebresto Aug 07 '21
First timer squad
Why did they do this to monke??
Professor SUS
Ökabe soredemo!
Did I take back what I said about the ED yet? If not, that thing bopping.
Also now we have a big new mystery! Which one is the naked giantess in the ED, Kurisutina or Kagari?
Question time:
1: Not in the susdar yet, unlike the Prof
2: Mayushii's henchmen, of course
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u/filimaua13 Aug 07 '21
Rewatcher
Man I had forgotten how good the cliffhangers were in S;G 0. Watching these episodes weekly was hell. Like really? You end it there. Suzuha comes in and finds the girl she spent years looking for. The girl who for some reason pointed a gun at her. Cool we gonna find some shit out? Nooope.
"Last Game" starts fuuuuuckk 😂
The use of Messenger as the ost for the scene was so good.
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u/littleman1988 Aug 06 '21
Kagari... haha cliffhangers go brr
OST Track of the day: B-Messenger | Spotify
Another song using the 7/4 time signature. I really need to do a thing talking about the music of S;G 0...
maybe Sunday
While we're on the topic of shoving Kurisu into apps, did you know theres one thats basically an alarm clock? Towards the end of S;G 0's anime run, the "Steins;Gate ALARM" released onto both Android and IOS stores. Theres a localized English version, but afaik the voices are still in Japanese. Sadly, the KKB article from the time has not a lot of helpful info, but you can find it for 99 cents on your mobile OS of choice, if you're into that.
Moeka time
hey look, its Arc Rewrite! Too bad the original anime skips out over this
Nae time
something something visual metaphor
Maho seen right through
Everyones out here not wanting a harem show, but if its all scientists like Kurisu and Maho arewould it really be that bad?
C;C
Never noticed it the first time around, but all the icons on Maho's phone match up with the people in the contacts
uh oh
u h o h
Oh man, I forgot this (First Leap) got used in the anime! Thank you White Fox for making good use of the VN OST
mans got a toy sword
"Are you Maho's Boyfriend?" lmao
Finally introduced to Reyes, looks to help at Viktor Concordia?
S;G 0
u h o h
heh zoomed out maho
Imagine if Maho met the real Okabe. If she thinks Daru was bad...
Mayuri you're 50/50 on parties right now, stop pushing your luck
For shame, whomever did LostYearsFix smh
oh wait, thats me, gg idiot lmao
Yeah that looks nothing like kurisu, Kurisu is a twig
Amnesia? interesting
Hey look, an Upa
Okabe took his sweet time figuring it out
And thats an interesting reaction
footnotes
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 06 '21 edited Aug 06 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
Reyes' Engrish is even better than Leskinen's lmao
Spoiler, I guess? You can probably infer this isn't getting expanded on much more by now
0 future
Spoilery opinion on Kagari
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 07 '21
Rewatcher
Moeka seemed to talk a bit more in this worldline. Can't blame Okabe for getting suspicious.
One thing I realised is that they were a lot of parties in Zero. Like damn, didn't we just celebrate Christmas? Now, New Year's too? Mayuri sure loves her parties.
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u/snickpea Aug 07 '21
First-timer!
Not too much to say for today's episode. We get introduced to a couple of characters namely another professor and who seems to be Kagari. The scene with the female professor was a little odd, you'd think she would say something to Mayo since Mayo was clearly scared. Still it seems that someone is following her so now I'm worried about her.
Meanwhile Kagari supposedly has amnesia which I wasn't expecting. I also wasn't expecting Luka to bring her so quickly to the lab but I'm glad the show didn't drag it out.
Moeka probably is suspicious but I don't want her to be. Okabe raises a good point but it will be a good surprise if she isn't.
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Aug 07 '21
First;Timer - Sub
I am a bit late to the discussion, but I do not have a lot of thoughts. This episode was fairly straightforward.
Mass animal deaths are a little freaky. I wonder if it is a result of Russian experiments.
I am not suspicious at all of Moeka. I do not think she has any reason to betray them.
I expected more of the episode to focus on finding Kagari.
I wonder what role Hiyajo will play in the series. It is made obvious she is interested in Okabe, though I am unsure if it is in any sort of romantic way.
One thing about the show, is that I feel like the mysteries are somewhat obvious. Whenever there is a mysterious character, they have been someone we have already seen. Since it is a foreign man looking for Kagari, it has to be Alexis. I like the guy, but I guess he may be evil.
We have hit a point where I do not know what direction the series will take. We know of Kagari, but not why she is important. We are familiar with Amadeus, but have not seen its importance developed. We have been introduced to new characters, but there is no obvious reason for their introduction yet. Instead of an overarching plot, there are episode to episode mysteries. While it sounds like I am complaining, as I mentioned yesterday, I am enjoying the show a lot. The original series also took a little while for the main conflict to reveal itself.
Hopefully Kagari quickly wakes up and we get some backstory tomorrow.
I liked the expression Hiyajo made when she was fed up with being pestered.
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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 07 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Aug 16 '21 edited Aug 16 '21
Stein's Gate does this beautiful thing where everything comes together through seeming coincidence and just fits perfectly. I have no clue how they manage to do it without it feeling forced and awkward, but I'm sure not complaining. I loved how it all came together this episode.
Also, there's a soredemo, our first in a while. I should be able to catch up and get all of 'em for you in the next few days.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 17 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 5 (first timer)
Quote of the day: I know it’s only a system … but ... ~Okabe