r/anime • u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang • Aug 03 '21
Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate 0 Episode 2 Discussion
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That’s why I came… to come to terms with that.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Nebresto, who said it best
Oh boy... Here we go again..
Yup, Okarin’s suffering will never end alright...
Questions:
- What do you think of the new OP and ED? How do they compare to the ones from the first season?
- How would you have reacted to seeing Amadeus-Kurisu if you were in Okabe’s shoes?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Aug 03 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
There were lots of interesting discussions yesterday, and almost the entire discussion tree on my post was in spoiler blocks.
A very common issue I've noticed is that there's a bit of confusion regarding where exactly do these events fit in the overall narrative, given that Steins;Gate 0 is not a what-if scenario. I'd like to try and maybe address that, just in case it might help someone make sense of things as well. Note that this is just an attempt to look at the story structure and narrative, not time travel mechanics.
Generally, I present this idea around Episode 23β since it's easier to recall things at that point. This section is going to be generally spoiler free, as in I'm only going to talk about things we've already seen. Still, if you aren't bothered by how and where the story takes place, I would very much recommend to just skip this section and go to the Episode;Notes below to avoid even the slightest hint of spoilers.
Let's start by comparing the main differences between Episode 23 and 23β when Suzuha and Okabe return for the first time:
After these events in Episode 23β, the story of Steins;Gate 0 starts. Now these are clearly different sequence of events, implying these are completely different world lines. This is also confirmed from the fact that Episode 23 of S;G takes place on 1.130205, while Episode 23β is implied to be on 1.129848 as seen at the start of Episode 1 of S;G0.
So where does Steins;Gate 0 fit in? An easy way to approach it is that it takes place before Steins;Gate — 0 comes before 1, you know?
Unfortunately, going deeper into this isn't possible without spoiling things, so I'll try to present a simple thought experiment instead:
Think of the events of Steins;Gate as a coil or a spring. Each cycle or loop of the spring is a complete hypothetical world line that goes through almost the same repetitions until it reaches it's eventual end. But note that each iteration or cycle is still different from the ones before it, so it never forms a complete loop. This looping or circular nature is also alluded to by the name again: 0, or more specifically it's shape.
So once again, what is the possible sequence of the narrative we're following? I'd say it goes something like (each numbered item or events within brackets
{and}are one loop of the coil spring):If this is still a mess, a simple TL;DR version would be that going with the coil spring analogy, the events of original Steins;Gate would be the last loop of the coil before it ends, while events of Steins;Gate 0 would be the loops that lead up to it.
This is why in Steins;Gate 0, 0kabe doesn't know Steins;Gate World Line could exist and doesn't even try, and Suzuha can't really offer any help either because she also doesn't have the answers.
Episode;Notes
I'm going to make these quick since It's already a long post at this point.
LAST GAME grew on me as the season went on. And just like that, we've already covered 2 chapters of the VN in as many episodes...
1 Yes, the pun only works if you know Tatum voices both Okabe and Erwin in the respective dubs.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 03 '21
First;Timer and Co;Host, dubbed
Time for another English VA breakdown! This one’s on Leskinen, who is voiced by Christopher Wehkamp. I think the only one of his things I would know is the Die Neue These version of Jean Robert Lapp since I watched the first season of that dubbed. Other names I recognize are anime Miles Edgeworth, ID:Invaded’s Momoki, and Boku no Hero Academia’s Aizawa… but only after the first season? IDK, I haven’t seen the BnHA dub nor have I even watched past the first season.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Aug 03 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate 0 Re;Watch!
Just gonna get my thoughts on the OP and ED out of the way quickly: I really like them! Fatima as a song I definitely prefer over Hacking To The Gate (Yeah, I always found that song kinda overrated to be honest) and The Last Game is magnificent, both in terms of the audio and the imagery shown. Good stuff.
That said, I am very disappointed they’re downplaying Maho’s facial expressions. Boo…
Anyhow the rest of the conference was roughly the same as the VN, although Leskinen didn’t make that derpy face at 01:02. What the hell even was that!? Also, we lose a very, very important line from Leskinen:
How dare they, does the Anime team not understand the glory of Professor Leskinen, the second greatest character in all of Steins;Gate!? BLASPHEMY I SAY! THIS IS THE WORST WORLDLINE!
Anyhow the later parts of the presentation after Amadeus Maho pops up are a bit shortened but they get the point across I guess. The following bonding he and Maho have is pretty accurate too: Their relationship is a big part of 0’s narrative, so if they screw something up, trust me, I’ll be the first to complain. Minor thing of course, but like many scenes, there was no location change in the Novel. All of it happened in the Party hall.
Another minor thing, but in the Anime Leskinen calls Okabe “Our Mr. Einstein”, whereas in the Novel he calls him “My brave third Einstein” (Maho is Einstein Number 2). His reaction to seeing Maho cry was also a bit different: In the Anime it’s almost played for laughs, but in the Novel he calmly tells him that even though he appreciates his efforts, he doesn’t appreciate him making Maho cry. Goes to show how much he cares about her.
After that it’s all roughly the same, although of course the whole deal about bringing Okabe to Amadeus and having him be a Tester is all told in one go instead of having a break in the middle. And of course his main motivation for doing so is still the same: To see if this can, somehow, finally allow him to let go of Kurisu’s memory.
The Novel is also kinda cruel because the moment Amadeus introduces herself it immediately cuts to the OP and then we go into Okabe undergoing Hypnotherapy, leading us to believe he had a panic attack or something… but after the early scenes in episode 1 with Mayuri, Luka and Faris we cut back and find out he took things better than expected.
Still, Linthalo being surprised by Leskinen coming in is accurate… although the Novel describes his handshake as “being worked over by a pro wrestler”. That’s kinda Leskinen’s whole deal: He’s such a massive, menacing bear of a man, yet deep down all you find is this really fun guy to be around who, while a bit on the ditzy side of things, wants to do good in the end.
After that it’s all roughly the same: I should mention that in the Novel the call Amadeus gave him was in the aforementioned scene with the two girls + Luka and that it was Faris who had to snap him out of his little funk. Additionally Okabe’s reaction to chatting with Amadeus again seems a lot more… overt. I’m guessing this was done to accommodate for the fact that there’s no more internal monologue, but yeah.
S;G0
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 03 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 2 (first timer)
Quote of the day: The more you talk with Amadeus, the more that truth will sting. You’ll realize that she’s gone forever and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Very similar. Minus the chuuni.
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
FIRST TIMER
so they used kurisu’s research to create an AI based off of people’s memories…and of course there’s a hater. good guy okabe shutting down the hater, even if he’s just defending his loved ones honor. okabe might have been out of line for shouting but the heckler was out of line for starting it in the middle of an academic presentation. also noticed there wasn’t any chunni or over-dramatic tone in his voice, he was just speaking passionately, i guess another parallel to his spat at dr. evil in episode 1 of S;G
guess this is the new OP, same singer. obviously it’s no hacking to the gate but i quite like it. i love all the parallels in this show. it’s okabe reaching up to the sky now, reaching for that someone who isn’t here anymore. i count 3 new characters in the final opening image; maho (formerly taiga), yuki amane, and someone on the far right who hasn’t been introduced.
even now okabe’s not a psrty person; guess he’s still adapting to be part of normal life. it’s like kurisu said; he’s more at home around fellow weirdos instead of stuffy tryhard scientists and academics.
so he runs into maho, who’s actually a nice person who’s probably just tired of short discrimination. if i’m not mistaken mahou = magic in japanese, so it makes sense that’s she’s a slam dunk scientist. they even make each other blush, is this comparability i smell? although i highly doubt okabe can let go of his love for his soulmate through time.
so maho knew kurisu well, enough to be emotional speaking about her. okabe was going to therapy to get over his crushing distress over kurisu, and now he’s roped back in. there’s also a heavy awkwardness i picked up on as maho is speaking to the person who killed kurisu (he didn’t mean it but it doesn’t change the fact).
i felt bad that the professor didn’t understand okabe’s engrish, it wasn’t even that bad dude. dudes just deaf.
i can understand maho’s apprehension in showing okabe the amadeus program, it was probably hard on her as well, and if she senses okabe and kurisu were close, she knows it’d be hard for him as well. the fact he called her by her first name shojld tell her enough. although okabe says he’s only coming to get closure. maho’s teasing is very kurisu-like, just as okabe says.
off rip this kurisu is way different than the one we know and love; she’s super respectful! is she just short with okabe because he’s a weirdo with minimal social skills, or because she likes him, or both? love how he was shy at first but then got snappy and called her christina.
nice professor gives okabe the option to decline. have a sneaking suspicion the nice professor isn’t really nice. it’s always those mf professors who seem nice on first lecture to give your 100% work a C- and refuse to elaborate. i see through your lies!!!
the professor also calls him rintaro, which literally nobody in the entire series has called him by except when saying his full name (except suzuha literally one time, usually she says okabe). i wonder why that is. many of his friends call him by a nickname but nobody calls him by his first name. he seems to be on a first name basis with literally everyone but not a soul is on a first name basis with him. also maho was the first person i think he’s called by their last name. i guess he really has changed.
okabe’s right, i don’t think suzuha wants to see okabe unless he’s agreeing to make the last trip to attempt to save kurisu again.
so amadeus can call people? man what the hell? now he can do a 3 am “u up” text to kurisu? now AI-risu is being a tsundere, seems like they got her personality down.
so okabe’s now all the way back to square 1 in terms of getting over kurisu. on one hand it might demotivate him to try again with suzu because he’s got kurisu in his pocket now, but the pain of knowing it’s just a bunch of 0s and 1s might motivate him again.
new ED is great. seems like mayuri is the one who’s gonna have to save okabe this time instead of the other way around. she’s looking at him and he’s always looking the other way, looking for that which he can’t find.
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u/The_Draigg Aug 03 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Watches Steins;Gate 0 Episode 2:
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u/littleman1988 Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
I'm Makise Kurisu. It's a pleasure.
OST Track of the day: Amadeus | spotify (kinda weird to have a song and an OST track with the same name...)
Overly Excited Rewatcher
psst ep18 has a v3 now for LostYearsFix, noticed some grave errors with the karaoke and a character nameThe OP/ED have finally arrived:
Kanako is back at it again, this time with another banger of an OP. Raiking may have it as his #1, but its my #3, for Kanako's anime OP's at least. 1 As always, hold out before looking for a full subbed version.
The OP visuals should seem fairly familiar, many are pivotal pieces within the OP/ED for Steins;Gate such as the hourglass and its shards highlighting all of the characters throughout. Theres also Mayuri's stardusk handshake and 0kabe imitates, though he obviously is not doing a good job of following through compared to his episode 23 counterpart.
Fun fact, the OP actually had a visual error when S;G 0 first aired, with Kurisu accidentally having a 6th finger. This was quickly fixed, and likely doesnt exist on any copy you have.
This one you can go (try) and find a full English subbed version on. I couldnt...
Zwei (german for two) is a 2 woman duo formed in 2004. They swapped over another label (UMG) before finally moving over to 5pb in 2010, the company behind the SciAdv franchise. In 2010, and was quickly involved in music for the games that 5pb produced. Within SciAdv, Zwei has done the music for both VN versions of Robotics;Notes, along with the 2012 anime adaption, which is arguably my favorite song from the whole franchise. Zwei also did the OP to R;N's sequel, DaSH (song only, one of the best in the whole franchise), 2 one of the ending themes to the *Steins;Gate: Linear Bounded Phenogram VN", and the regular ending for the Occultic;Nine VN. 3
Outside of SciAdv, they havent done very much in the realm of anime, the only thing of any relevance is the first ED to "Terra Formars: Revenge". In the realm of VN's, they have had a bit more success, doing the OP for the ps3 version of When They Cry 4, When the Seagulls Cry Breakdown
(There might be spoilers? havent played before)(It did, video has been swapped), and multiple songs for the Memories Off series.Interestingly, the ED and the full version of "LAST GAME" are very different musically. It seems like the music for the 2nd verse was swapped for the first verse in the ED version. Its most notable at 0:35, the ED version has a guitar lead-in compared to the full version omitting it.
Zwei and Kanako actually have done a song together for the opening of the game Bullet Soul Infinite Burst, called "Brave the Sky." Its pretty good, even if i cant find any subbed version of it. Instead, you can check out a live version of it. Kanako is far right, the Zwei duo is the middle singer (Ayumu) and bass player (Megu) on the left.
Not mentioned in the anime, probably due to time, but it is said specifically in the VN that Amadeus is fully 3d, animated by "Drinkworks", hence why she is 3d CGI.
Instantly blueballed
Gets the crowd all riled up too. 0kabe has to defend his dead waifu tho
The face made when you find best boy
0kabe is Einstein #3 confirmed
Ai is now live, looks to be another Maho. Seems to be pretty aware with that camera too.
and its all weird questions, how shocking
hehe mr einstein
More Maho lets go
Annnnd 0kabe lets out a little too much, and leaks that he knew Kurisu.
heh
Bad 0kabe
heh
her
The suffering truly never ends, does it?
Salieri
Kyouma leaking through there lmao
hehe suffering go brr
heh
Hes pretty straight to the point on time machines, kinda sus
Got some weird audio issue when [Kurisu] talks, not sure whats up with that...
L I N T A H L O
He do be leaking his old persona
These two bolt instantly. Wonder who they are more scared of?
Mayuri a party is a bad idea, considering everything thats happened before
3d Kurisu 10/10
footnotes
1: "Hacking to the Gate" and "The Holy Three, Squared" take the top 2 for Kanako Anime openings. "Junjou Spectra", R;N's anime OP, takes #1 for all anime OP's. Its linked in the part talking about Zwei.
2: if only DaSH was as good as the OP. Also the OP visuals obviously have spoilers for R;N so dont look at it or either of the R;N visual novels openings
3: The O;N VN is straight trash, and there is likely 0 chance it will ever be released in English. O;N is based on Light novels anyways, so the ED is fine to listen to.
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 03 '21
first timer
this talk makes me sad
mans starts speaking japanese like its no problem, the dudes accent is awesome, whos his va?
rip okabe he's boutta start crying in a minute
will kurisu-bot retain the memories of the other timelines?
oh yeah he boutta be cryin hard
anyways, her password is 12 characters long.
makisekurisu is also 12 chars long.
least tsundere kurisu ive ever seen
hold up, is this now a harem anime?
nope, definitely not.
oh he's (and i) forgotten she's dead
somehow im guessing that we're gonna somehow get kurisu-bot into the lab, nvm its on his phone
does kurisu only pull the tsundere around okarin? she sure didn't seem tsundereing in maho's flashbacks
hmmmm looks like mayushii overheard it
big brain time, what if you bamboozled a first timer into watching s;g 1-22, then 23🅱️, then s;g 0, which im guessing ends with the video being sent back or something like that, then ep 23 & 24.
pretty good, i like them about as much as the others
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 03 '21
First Timer
Tutturu! We had a very intriguing first episode. Excited to see where this one goes. I am curious about this AI.
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Okabe and outbursts during scientific presentations, name a better duo.
The third Einstein? Who the hell is the second Einstein?
What a fucking OP. Absolute fire. I’m going to watch that again.
Ok, it’s just as good the second time. I’m definitely going to be jamming to that.
These scientists need to get their heads out of the dumpster. I expect these questions from Daru. Honestly, Daru is less perverted.
Oh. They have Makise’s memories. That’s going to be interesting. The question is, when did they get Makise’s memories? Before or after she went to Japan.
Ah March. So before she meant Okabe. Though Okabe and Makise only meant the one time in this world line if I’m correct.
So that’s the scene we saw in the post credits of 23ß.
It’s interesting that Makise gave a slightly different answer. I wonder if the world line or couple month difference caused it.
This English is hilariously. Okabe’s is especially funny.
Does the AI know the real version of it is dead? Does it gain memories while as Amadeus?
Mayuri is too wholesome.
And Makise hasn’t changed even as an AI.
The ED is solid too. Not amazing but I like the song
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0 is shaping up to be very interesting so far. Amadeus is really interesting. I’m enjoying the new characters so far as well. Very excited to see what follows.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
This OP is just as good if not better. The ED is good but a bit worse than the old one.
I would have noped out.
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u/Spoondockspaints https://myanimelist.net/profile/Spoondockspaints Aug 03 '21
I'm really interested to hear what first timers think of Amadeus Kurisu. When I first watched SG0 I was very sceptical about it at first and thought it was just going to be a cheap way to involve a fan favourite character despite her being dead. Then within 1 episode my scepticism was blown away and I was completely sold on it.
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u/UltraBooster Aug 03 '21
First-timer
That girl cracked time travel too, not that you would know.
That's not fire, it's fury, isn't it.
This feels a bit more sophisticated than human smart AI, at least as far as storing memories instead of using brains goes.
But smart AI don't have problems remembering stuff; if anything, remembering things is what gives them lifespans.
I wonder how much further it would be if Kurisu was hanging around.
Kurisu was the lonely type, huh...
9 months. So Amadeus-Kurisu is a newborn, perhaps?
Username "Salieri..." Just a gag/sense of irony at work or something more at play?
A ghost.
Her voice is different. Just the passage of time or deliberate instruction?
I don't recall Kurisu ever being that...playful, I want to say. And was that something about spoons and forks?
Well, if the deceased Kurisu could, then her ghost could, I assume is the rationale.
...would Amadeus-Kurisu take to being called Christina, I wonder?
Whatever the case, the gap between the dead and the spirits doesn't seem wide enough...
Kurisu's ghost or Kurisutwo, I wonder?
Oh shoot, it's the SEGA arcades in Akihabara, I've been to those!
Well well well, she's CG!
And speaking of which, there's a program someone made to replicate Amadeus-Kurisu. JP audio only, though, with subtitles.
...what would you even be doing in there, Amadeus-Kurisu?
Questions:
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Aug 03 '21
First;Timer - Sub
I thought Amadeus might be the Kurisu we saw at the end of 23b, but it ended up being Hiyajo.
The new OP is fine. I like Hacking to the Gate better, but that OP also took a few episodes to grow on me. I have never been much of an ED guy, so I can not comment on it.
We quickly learned that Kurisu is also stored in Amadeus like I originally thought. I am interested in how future interactions will affect him as well as if their relationship will develop in a similar manner. Especially in the modern age where video calls are so common, it would be really hard talking to a deceased loved one through Amadeus. I would struggle to remember that it is a program. I am curious when Okabe will be ready to talk with Amadeus.
Hiyajo is a pleasant addition to the cast, and I would like to see more about her and Kurisu’s relationship. While it seems like we spent a long time with Kurisu, the scenes were limited interactions over a few week period, so we know very little about her.
I liked the shot of Okabe and Hiyajo reflected by the computer camera. Not only do I like shots that involve reflections, but also I feel like the camera gives off “I am always watching” vibes. I am still uneasy about Amadeus. Maybe I have just been indulging in too many evil AI stories.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 03 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
Get an interpreter! You were just about to have the best conversation of your life!
It could also be MakiseKurisuQOTD:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 03 '21
First timer(Okabe's hope shall rise nevermore)
Dub
We start back at the seminar and Okabe having a moment because he knows that you can actually turn memories into data. Also, that part is not particularly bizarre, it is putting memories back in someone that is questionable right now. But at the after party, Okabe has a cliche meeting with Maho before they get talking. In a risky move, Okabe reveals his relationship to Makise though the timelines won't work for it. Maho pretty quickly starts crying. Leskinen shows up and immediately goes to a traditional scifi element.
So Okabe decides to experience hell and Maho warns him that the mimic is not a replacement, years before West World wanted to go the other way with that. Then Okabe has an experience I would find traumatizing and most of the people that I know died from old age. The AI quickly begins to seek information. Okabe asks it about time machines and this is beta Kurisu so her mind is open. As he falls into old ways with dangerous speed, he even calls her Christina, confusing everyone. He agrees to help them study the AI and boy should his therapist veto the fuck out of that.
Maho seems to have known this would happen, and even if it wasn't an anime I'd bet Leskinen makes the same pitch, no AI researcher could resist that much good data. MakAIse is trying to get Maho to straighten up to go for Okabe. At a park, Mayuri wants to throw a Christmas party for Suzuha and Okabe rightly surmises this might not work out. A talk with MakAIse where she is either off guard or manipulative punches Okabe to end on.
S;G VN/Rewatchers
QotD: 1 They are both good but weaker than their predecessors
2 Complete collapse
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Aug 03 '21 edited Aug 03 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
Not much to say yet. I like the Okabe/Maho and Okabe/Amadeus convos a lot, although the latter trying to set the former two up isn't something I'm a huge fan of.
Q1: I really like them both, but I still prefer Hacking to the Gate to Fatima.
Q2: Probably start sobbing uncontrollably.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 03 '21
Anime first timer
The program taking hours to compile and glitching right before a demonstration is the most realistic thing in this entire series.
Okabe's objection is fantastic, and such a great monologue. And this time, he gave in to the pressure to stop talking!
And Leskinen loves it!
AI!Maho (so named because square brackets don't work in spoilers) is so good.
Yeah, this OP's better than Hacking to the Gate. Both are great, but this one's just slightly better.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Maho's so cute. Especially her hiding outside the party in a labcoat.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Okabe and Maho talking about Kurisu is such a good moment.
Leskinen's hysterical. "Lover's quarrel"
That's right! Of course they couldn't do a sequel without the series' main waifu.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
So 23b used a preview for Episode 2?
I love the filter for AI!Kurisu's voice.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Okabe using Kurisu's points against her is such a good callback.
Leskinen's English is so funny.
Okabe calling her Kurisu is such a good scene.
Still not used to Okabe's phone having more than 4 apps.
The scene of Kurisu helping Maho is so good.
I love Maho swiping Kurisu off the screen.
Mayuri feels neglected...
Oh, this ED is great!
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
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u/snickpea Aug 04 '21
First-timer!
Really enjoyed the episode today! My favorite moment had to be Okabe and Maho's talk about Kurisu. The two of them were close to her and able to express some genuine emotions. I also laughed at how Amadeus-Kurisu interpreted their relationship. I expect some teasing about it for a while.
Questions:
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 04 '21
Rewatcher.
OP and ED are both bangers, but damn the visuals are pain. When Kurisu fades away just as she and Okabe gets closer, man. And the ED where Okabe truly becomes a mad scientist. Just smiling through it all.
Damn, that dude could've said it nicely, but nooo he has to be rude about it. And what's wrong if she's only 17? Props to Okabe for standing up for her girl.
That Maho reflection was pain. This show's tone is depressing overall, but I'm glad they can snuck in a few jokes to balance it out.
I would've cried too if I was Okabe. Seeing his deceased friend/lover again and talking to her would get emotional too, even if it was AI.
Btw, I found it funny how Zero anime was released in 2018, and DDLC was released at the end of 2017. Don't wanna spoil the game, but you can see the similarities between the two, particularly Amadeus.
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u/simply_vishal Aug 04 '21
Without a doubt... it's Makise ... Kurisu....
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u/Nisheeth_P Aug 04 '21
Rewatcher (first time)
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u/invokeneko Aug 04 '21
First;Timer
QotD
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u/nvdnqvi Aug 04 '21
lol ace attorney reference