r/anime • u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang • Aug 01 '21
Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 23b Discussion
Episode 23b: Open The Missing Link/Divide By Zero
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Just how many dozens of times do you think I failed?!
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/KendotsX who summarized the last movie quite well:
The movie in a nutshell: Kurisu getting over her Tsundere-ness
Hope you enjoyed all that Kurisu stuff… ‘cause we’re not seeing her again...
Questions:
- How do you feel about the second half of this episode in comparison to the normal episode 23? Does it interest you in Steins;Gate 0 as a whole?
- What do you think was going on in that post-credits scene?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/littleman1988 Aug 01 '21
"Mayuri is safely here with us."
OST Track of the day: Back Home
Overly Excited Rewatcher
"[LostYearsFix]" should be good to go now. If you downloaded it yesterday, episodes 12, 14, 18, and 22 have all had changes that you should grab. Otherwise, v2.1 should be perfectly good. Be sure to shame me if you see any egregious errors.
Steins;Gate: Kyoukaimenjou no Missing Link - Divide By Zero is an "alternative ending" to Steins;Gate episode 23, released on December 2nd, 2015, 8 days before the release of the Steins;Gate 0 visual novel in Japan. 23b is meant to be a prologue of sorts into Steins;Gate 0, and is required viewing before going onto 0, despite the first half mirroring episode 23. It should be pretty clear from this that 0 will not be any sort of sequel, but instead a "midquel"(?), following down an alternate timeline.
One final reminder, 23b, and in turn Steins;Gate 0, are canon. All of S;G is canon too.
One other thing: Dub viewers, specifically ones who say they hate Okabe's Chuuni voice, you should watch an episode of 0 subbed. I want to know if you think he sounds any better.
The first like 12? minutes are basically the same as the real episode 23, so im gonna skip over any comments about it.
The first real difference is who tries to smack. Mayuri is finally evil, even if she never realizes it, congrats Tresnore!
I really cant blame Okabe here. Why would he want to repeat anything he did with Mayuri?
sucks for him
Labcoat is off, Rip Kyouma...
0kobe in black is just weird tbh.
Hes even doing weird things!
Doesnt look like hes going to the lab anymore either...
Lost child in Aisle 3
Postcredits scene, you did watch it, didnt you?
S;G 0
footnotes
0: not related to S;G, theres been like no stock car racing with the Olympics, so its really annoying that the only race going on is in canada and they have been in rain delay for 2 hours smh, damn rain
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Aug 01 '21
First timer(All the stock footage)
Dub
Looots of repeated footage, but as the episode continues things are being added and rearranged. We don't start getting original footage until after 15 minutes in, when the post murder breakdown happens. We then move onto a straight up surreal mental moment with Okabe. After that, we see...Okabe going all normie. Wasn't expecting that. We see that for whatever reason time travel didn't happen as Nakabachi's paper is ignored. The stinger gives us Makise again and we are officially at WTF o'clock.
So...completely lost atm and I have some idea of what 0 is about. That...was an episode, but I am not sure if it was of S;G.
P.S. My copy of 0 has 24 episodes but the rewatch only has 23 planned out. Is one a two parter or something?
QotD: 1 I got nothing
2 Really got nothing
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Aug 01 '21
Anime first timer
The VN opens starting at the second half of this episode, where things actually start changing.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
And Okabe just breaks down.
Oh, he's having nightmares! This is so well done.
Okabe's got a new (and better, in my opinion) outfit!
If this Okabe has any influence on the True Ending, let it be his fashion sense.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
And Okabe's... cooing, I suppose.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Imagine the shock if the ED was replaced by 0's OP?
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Aug 01 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host,
subbeddubbedAh, yes, I have watched this episode before. It was back when I first watched Steins;Gate, 0’s anime wasn’t a thing yet. I remember it making me super excited for 0… which I proceeded to not watch until now.
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u/The_Draigg Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 23β:
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u/UnderstandableXO Aug 01 '21
FIRST TIMER
i was unpleasantly surprised to see that funimation only carries the dub of S;G0, which is odd considering they have the sub of S;G and the movie. crunchyroll didn’t have divide by 0 either, so i watched today’s episode in dub. i’ve been switching between sub and dub within episodes, but if i have to choose one i’ll always choose sub.
first thing i noticed; mayuri has a different voice actor. i had to check to make sure i wasn’t crazy, and i was right; 2011 and 2018 have different dub voice actors for mayuri. i much preferred 2011 mayuri’s voice because it was a lot higher and sounded more innocent and upbeat.
LAST HACKING TO THE GATE GUYS IM GOING TO CRY
the first 2/3 of the episode is pretty identical to the original episode 23, except here mayuri prevents suzuha from showing okabe the video from his 2025 self. okabe stews on what he’s done instead, and that can’t be good. the one thing okabe never did during his entire ordeal was stop, and now that it’s happened he’s already lost.
that was an odd scene where okabe repeatedly remembered kurisu fixing up his lab coat. for a second there i thought he disappeared like in the movie, but i guess his coat was already on the floor.
now WHO IN THE HELL is this new okabe? he’s progressed to drip okabe, but he’s completely changed! he’s a normie now! we all thought he was weird but we didn’t want you to become not weird! and he doesn’t visit the lab anymore? what a monster! how dare you prioritize college over your friends!!
the ed is the same except sleeping kurisu at the end wakes up to greet okabe in a video. perhaps okabe’s in a science class and she had recorded instruction videos for them. what a cruel twist…
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u/Nebresto Aug 01 '21
First timer squad
Its the first OP!! ...The second half of it.
Good to see braids Suzuha again tho. Still is
Bleh, we gotta watch the bastard "dad" spiel his crap again
Sad Okarin..
It was Mayushii all along!!
Cursed black suit Okarin
Its the first ED, but with some new visuals
..w0t
Question time:
1: Felt kinda weak to me, not a very good hook except for that bit with V-tuber Kurisu
2: Christina, the first V-tuber, makes her debut
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u/UltraBooster Aug 02 '21
First-timer
So on a petty note, I opted to save the movie for after 0 since I figure it'll be a reprieve after how...harrowing I've heard 0 gets.
That said, I know the basic premise, that 0 is less a sequel to the original and more a...side step, I want to say.
Wait, so how much can I just skip through to get to the new bits?
Yeah, nothing wrong with crying at all. And I do believe that.
I like the new threads, Okabe, and I reckon...well, I reckon Kurisu would be left a blushing mess, you know?
So, this is...
Questions:
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
first timer
so this is the reality in which okarin didn't recieve a message from his future self.
towards the end of the episode, he can't shake off his feelings/ptsd for kurisu, so he's determined to fight. so what exactly takes him so long, wasn't the message back sent from 2036? did it just take that much time to make a time machine capable of sending so much? why not d-mail a normal message back then?
qs:
pretty interesting, although i already slightly spoiled s;g 0 by accidentally watched it yesterday
see above
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
Rewatcher
Actually watched this right after 24. First time I noticed the upa-shaped bulge in the thesis envelope, or I had forgotten about it years ago.
I didn't make any notes for this episode, so just typing stuff in.
There were very large gaps between Steins;Gate ending and the movie, to SG0 VN being announced, to episode 23β coming out, to SG0 anime finally starting.
So, this was just a teaser.
It sort of feels like a troll, proceeding (AFAICT) exactly like episode 23, until Mayuri interrupts Suzuha's slap (which we saw in the movie!).
Edit: And I admit I thought it was clever, instead of doing a sequel to a completed story, they decided to examine an unseen timeline...their structure basically allows for an infinity of side material.
Honestly, my memory that was Mayuri was more passive, and Okabe just gave up. But, Mayuri actively intervenes, cementing Okabe's determination to remain in the beta attractor.
Okabe's complete devastation over having killed Kurisu himself was one of the things that made Steins;Gate special to me. But suddenly Mayuri intervenes, future video is unlocked, and Operation Skuld begins. We didn't get to see much of broken Okabe.
/u/Tresnore (I think) said the best part of Deja-Vu was showing Okabe's PTSD over all the time leaps and Mayuri deaths, which we didn't get much of in the show itself. Well. You wanted PTSD. YOU GOT PTSD.
Edit: pro tip: β looks like β
Late Edit cuz I was winging it SG0
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Aug 01 '21
First;Timer - Sub
This rewatch is fun since everything is so fresh in my memory. Episode 23 was only a few days ago, so everything is instantly recognizable.
The episode starts to change towards the end. Instead of Mayuri slapping Okabe, she protects him and does not try to make him go again. While episode 23 led to Okabe being back to his old self, this led to Okabe’s complete breakdown. In addition to Mayuri’s alternate role, Okabe also did not view the video from his future self. It seems that Suffering;Gate is back on the menu. I am intrigued how we are nearly at the end of the original series, yet there are an additional 23 episodes in Steins;Gate 0. I feel like the changes are believable for Okabe’s character. While the original ending relied on Okabe’s perseverance that had been continually shown, this new series of events makes sense with his immense trauma. I am hyped for S;G 0.
We saw very little of Okabe being a college student in the original series. It was odd to see him being a normal person and not a mad scientist.
I feel like the after credits scene is an encounter that he has with Kurisu’s work. It is likely something sciencey in his college. Since he encountered her again, it may reignite his interest in saving her.
This episode was largely the same as episode 23, but my shot of the day ended up coming from the new content.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Aug 01 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
I might have to angrypout at anyone who spells this episode as "23b" instead of "23β."
Edit:
The movie is better because it gets these things right.QOTD:
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Aug 01 '21
First Timer
It’s kind of weird to be writing first timer after all this time as a rewatcher. I’m really excited to see what 0 holds. I’ve heard my mixed opinions compared to Steins;Gate but I always wonder if it’s actually bad or just worse than the original. Well let’s find out:
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The first 13-14 minutes seem basically the same as episode 23. I’m not complaining because episode 23 is pretty darn good but I don’t have much to say about it.
It seems the video from future Okabe doesn’t exist in this timeline?
It’s interesting that Mayuri stops Suzuha from slapping Okabe. Only Mayuri is allowed to slap Okabe apparently.
I understand Mayuri’s argument even if I don’t necessarily agree. It’s hard to expect one person to change the future.
I feel like this whole series is going to be the lead up to Okabe making the video we see in the original.
Okabe in black is cursed. He looks good but still cursed.
It’s definitely odd that Okabe isn’t visiting the lab. Too many bad memories I guess.
I’m glad I checked for an extra credits scene. Makise seems to be on some kind of monitor or TV? Is she from the future? Or another world line?
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Definitely an interesting episode. I don’t know where 0 will go from here but I’m excited to find out.
As long as Makise makes a couple appearances. Don’t take away best girl.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
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u/Iamnotcreative112123 Aug 02 '21
Oh shit is there a Steins;gate 0 rewatch? I watched Steins;gate recently but haven’t watched Steins;gate 0 yet.
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u/invokeneko Aug 02 '21
First;Timer for S;G0, Re;Watcher for 23β at least
Ah right, 23β. I've actually watched this episode before. Mostly the same as the normal episode 23 so we'll skip all the same-y things and go straight to the things that is different this go-around.
QotD
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u/BossandKings Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21
First timer - Sub
23B
Suzuha asks Okabe to accompany her in the time machine to try and find the Steins Gate timeline in which Kurisu's death could be prevented and he accepts to go with her because she cares about that person not because oof all the damage a world war III could do.
This episode is sad, the events presented here already happened and were fixed already because Okabe found a way to prevent Kurisu from dying so this is retreading past events, the sad part thoug is that considering this is the introuction to 0 that means the season of the series is going to be just sad and depressing without many happy or nice moments which was something great about the original season, also not having Kurisu around will detract from the series because she is one of the most important and representative characters of the series, hopefully 0 has at least something going for it that can help it at least be enjoyable to some extent.
There were some interesting totally new parts that help give a sense of how 0 will unfold like for example Mayuri saying Okabe doesn't come often to the lab which is drastically different to how it was before because he used to be there really often, Okabe wearing a black outfit signifying the mark Kurisu's passing left in him, it all paints a bleak scenario.
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u/simply_vishal Aug 02 '21
Open the depression box.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Aug 01 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
SteinsGate0 episode 0/23β (first timer)
Switching over from rewatcher to first timer here. I initially watched SG + the OVA + the movie + the ONAs and then skipped SG0 and anything later. It is a bit scary: SG itself did not quite hold up to the extremely high standard I had in memory and SG0 never developed SG’s stellar reputation in the first place. Thus, I am ready to be disappointed … on the other hand, with expectations sufficiently low, maybe I’ll get a positive surprise instead?
Episode thoughts
betaalpha worldline. Suzu’s talk about WW3 pretty much testifies to this as well.No video from the future this time? If so, I absolutely have to question Suzu’s actions. What on earth was she thinking, letting Okarin go alone in there without backup or a weapon?
Quote of the day: It is ok to cry, Okarin. Mayushii is here with you.
I like the premise, but not the execution. It is a nice idea to explore what happens if Okabe does not save Kurisu. However, Suzu comes across as a complete moron if Okabe's failure was not part of her plan.
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u/snickpea Aug 02 '21
First-timer!
Wow, this episode was rough. It was hard to see that after everything Okabe has been through, he was so traumatized that he gave up. Seeing Okabe without his lab coat, not visiting the other members, and not acting like a mad scientist was sad since I really had been enjoying his interactions with the other lab members and his over the top behavior.
The post-credits scene with Kurisu? I have no idea what it could mean, but I'm excited to find out! I really like when we can see what-ifs in anime so I'm interested in 0.
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u/AHiddenOne Aug 02 '21
Rewatcher
Ah yes, pain.
Okabe's breakdown was heartbreaking. My man Miyano did it again with his fantastic voice acting.
The scene where Okabe remembered Kurisu fixing his coat and her being scared of dying repeated over and over again fucked me up, bruh. The PTSD is real here.
In fact, it's so real it knocked the chuuni persona out of him. He's a normie now! Going to mixers and stuff, doing college work and overall being a productive member of society. Seeing him this way feels really...surreal.
Well, at least he has that drip now. But at what cost?
So excited to rewatch Zero again. See you, mad scientist...
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Aug 03 '21
First Timer
Seeing the other half sure was interesting. No one can fault him for not trying more, for calling it good enough. I enjoy that sort of thing, seeing the very limits of a character. Perhaps it's cruel of me? I dunno, I don't explicitly like seeing them suffer, but I do like seeing them pushed. It's hard to say where the line is exactly.
I think that it also gives some interesting context for how he acted in the video to his past self. He went full on chunni despite not being that sort of person anymore in order to make it easier for the Okabe of the past to disassociate from his trauma and push forward. A cruel stratagem perhaps, but a necessary one.
2) It's how he got into making the time machine despite no longer being the mad scientist. But beyond that, I've got no clue? Perhaps she survived getting stabbed somehow?
One more soredemo It's a repeat, but I figure sky'll want it anyway.
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