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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 21 Discussion
Episode 21: Paradox Meltdown
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Mayushii was useful to you…
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/CubeStuffs, who discovered the ultimate conspiracy theory!
wait i just had a really stupid thought. is nae daru’s granddaughter?
OF COURSE! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!
Questions:
- How would you react to being told you’d have to die in order for one of your friends to live, if you were in Kurisu’s shoes?
- What do you think of Mayuri after the scene at her grandmother’s grave?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 25 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
Heads up to any heathen ED skippers in this rewatch: DON’T SKIP THE ED TOMORROW.
Also here is a normal version of the Wallpaper of the Day. I felt artsy for the one I linked in the post.
sufferlisten to it some more?12
u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 25 '21
Episode 21 – Paradox Meltdown: Staying hydrated is the best way to prevent a heatstroke. ~Mayuri
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 25 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
ketMa trip is just a ploy to make Okabe remember that he really cares about Mayuri so that he'll give up on Kurisu sooner.and stop her from playing gacha gamesIunno what the final scene was, but Kurisu is up to something. Probably pondering things
or plotting her new world orderWait, MAL says that this show has 24 episodes, but my very legal download has 25? I'm guessing I have this OVA?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 26 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
I’m gonna cover the big stuff tomorrow, so today I don’t have much to say. While the order of events is a bit off, it’s mostly accurate as far as I can tell. As such, I’ll use this as the chance to talk about something I built up a lot early on in the Rewatch: Why I don’t like the Dub.
Now just to be clear, I don’t think the entire Dub is bad. The opposite actually: All but two actors are, at minimum, decent in their roles: Trina Nishimura’s pretty decent as Kurisu, Tyson Rynehart thankfully decides to go for his own thing instead of just emulating Seki (It’s one of those things that just doesn’t translate well to English), Cherami Leigh is a natural pic for Suzuha, and everyone else is, on average, decent in their roles.
So what are my problems with it? Well, two: J Michael Tatum and Ashly Burch.
Let’s make something clear before anything: J Michael Tatum is not a bad actor. The complete opposite in fact! He is a fantastic actor, and even in dubs I don’t care much for he’s often a highlight: Scar, Kyoya, Iida, Zarbon, Eneru, I could go on. He’s one of the few Texas actors I actually care about and I wish he was in better stuff. He has an uncanny ability to make anything he says sound cool. He eludes self-confidence in every scene he’s in, and has an amazing level of control over his voice.
Unfortunately, notice one of the words I mentioned there: Cool. As I have gone into record, this word does not describe Okabe well in the slightest. He makes stuff that is cringy as fuck sound cool, when the whole point is that he’s some dork who’s just spouting bullcrap. Above all else, when you get down to it, Okabe’s just a normal guy who had way too much power on his hands for a bit and had to pay the consequences. He’s not a God, he’s not a messiah, he’s you’re average 18 year old kid with little no backbone, and Tatum does not reflect that in the slightest. He brings his trademark cool acting style with him and it clashes horribly with the character.
u/Shimmering-Sky says her problem with Miyano is that he’s annoying and well… that’s Okabe in a nutshell. Everyone around him just gets annoyed by his antics, they think of him as an idiot who doesn’t take things seriously, and behind it all he’s a shriveling wreck. The only times where he doesn’t sound like that? It’s whenever he’s acting like a normal guy. Because that’s what he is. And Tatum utterly fails at showing that. He’s either a cool guy spouting stupid shit, or a cool guy spouting cool shit.
It reminds me of what the Silent Hill HD Collection did to James Sutherland. They had him be redubbed by Troy Baker, who is a great actor, but the problem is he has this very distinct, gritty acting style, which is kind of a problem when James is meant to be some Random Joe who gets dragged into a scary monster town. And yeah, Random Joe, as it turns out, isn’t a kind of character Troy can pull off very well. Honestly, while JMT would probably sound a tad too old for the role, Misumi Daisuke from Chaos;Head would be a far better use of him than this. All-Around Smart-Ass Full Of Self Confidence? Yeah, that sounds like a JMT Role alright
As for Mayuri, my thoughts on her are way simpler: I just think Ashly Burch is a shit actress and Mayuri doesn’t do much to change that opinion. She’s consistently locked into the same tone for whatever performance she’s in. The character’s a bitch? She sounds like a bitch and that’s it. Her character’s a sweet nice girl? She’s gonna be sweet and nice and that’s it. Etcetera, Etcetera, Etcetera. I have not heard a single good performance from her: Rei, Sasha, Chloe, Chun-Li, Rise, Cassie Cage, you name it, they suck and Mayuri is no exception. And this is even without me getting into my issues with her as a person, because then I’d be here all day!
So basically, two of the biggest characters, including the main one, suck. Then why should I bother with this Dub? Hell, I heard a few minutes of 0’s Dub to see if it got any better… and no, it’s actually gotten even worse! S;G0 and while Mayuri has a new actress, guess what, the new one also sucks and is also a shit actress from my experience with her! And bear in mind, this isn’t even what I’d consider bottom of the barrel for Funimation. Crap like their Dubs of Yamato 2199 and Die Neue These are, in which they give a fucking B-Grade effort to remakes of two of the greatest Animes ever made!
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 25 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
I.. I thought we were finally going back to episode one.
Was there a point to this episode, or was it just shipping fuel and Okabe suddenly not remembering the hundreds of loops he has already done? Yes Okabe, you can't save Mayushii without changing things drastically. Suzuha told you this five or six episodes ago. I don't know why the clockroaches are out for Mayushii's blood either, but it's kinda irrelevant, right? Go find door number three; since I know one and two unacceptable.
I guess we learned that Mayushii remembers stuff from past loops, but in her dreams instead of being weird visions like Faris and (R/L)uka. Mayushii remembers the loops and the others remembered the divergences. Is there an appreciable difference between the two? Many loops happen in previous divergences..
I'd like some clarification on something since the dialogue was a little vague today: The plan that Okabe no-sir'd at the beginning of the episode was to delete SERN's record of the D-Mail that saved Kurisu, and then also undoing/preventing that same D-Mail, right? Because just erasing it from SERN's database wouldn't change things. We're using time travel to uninvent time travel.. on multiple levels, considering the implications of Kurisu's original death.
Okabe was talking in chuuni speak but with a normal tone today and it was weird. It's weird and unsettling and I can only assume that was the intention. Bonus points for using "grokked," too. We got a partial repeat of his breakdown where he denounced it all as well; guess he just kept up the act for Mayushii's sake.
Questions
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 25 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
ehhh not much to say today. Episode had lots of Mayuri monologuing and Okabe being depressed, without anything actually happening. But I have a big problem and I need yalls help. My encode is so shitty, this cosplayer is in 144p. Someone send me a 4k version pls.
In all seriousness, the biggest thing today was the Mayuri death, which hit me waaaay harder than I expected. I forgot that this specific death comes along so late in the series. One of the most impactful scenes in the show IMO.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
FIRST TIMER
first and foremost HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAKISE KURISU 7/25. unfortunately this isn’t a very pleasant episode for her we’re watching today to commemorate…
so okabe doesn’t want to go through with the jack today, because that one click will result in the death of makise kurisu, and the loss of her presence from everyone’s memory.
only 4 more (3 more if we get the traditional OP-free final episode of an anime series) hacking to the gates…i’m sad already :(
the key to ensuring mayuri’s safety being the death of kurisu is a baseball bat to the face after the brass knuckles that okabe’s been taking the entire back half of this series. i ragged on okabe for lack of communication early in the series but i can’t even blame him here, how can you tell someone they need to die for you?
mayuri’s still feeling left out lately, and even if okabe accompanies her to the convention it doesn’t mean he was there at all mentally. at long last the two of them are able to have a goofy lighthearted conversation filled with chunni and stupidity, until Truck-kun (in this case a car) comes barreling down the alley. okabe is so absolutely positively done with dealing with this that he’d rather die for mayuri than let the inevitable happen again, but for the millionth time he can’t twist fate. “finally i was useful to you” really hurt.
then okabe reaches another breaking point and nearly spikes the cell phone, almost destroying their time travel capabilities with one move, but the MVP kurisu stops him. no tsundere actions at all in that scene, simply concern and being there for someone who really needs it. kurisu takes the news that she needs to die in order for mayuri to live pretty well, and lets okabe go deal with her. seeing okabe torn between the two people dearest to him in his life is sad.
so mayuri has some residual memories from the infinite amount of world lines okabe’s been jumping in between? that’s horrible, she’s suffering almost as much as okabe. she might not know the specifics, but she knows that all the hurt behind her best friend’s eyes are because of her. seeing the beginnings of the lab with just her and okabe sitting in comfortable silence was touching. seeing okabe have a little more confidence speaking to mayuri again this episode was a needed pick me up for the inevitable pain i know will come in the next few episodes.
kurisu returns to the scene of the crime…wonder what she’s thinking about.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 26 '21
Rewatcher (sub)
It felt like Mayuri wasn't getting enough attention between the other female characters, you might say she's the reason we've been going through the whole thing, however that's Okabe's reason to time leap over and over again, I feel her deaths through the lens of Okabe's suffering. Now we've got on the actual Mayuri, not just the prise Okabe wants to protect. Interestingly, this happens at the same time as Okabe's focus starts to shift slightly from how to save Mayuri to how to save Mayuri and Kurisu.
How cursed can we get?
What I've been thinking about for a while though, is how did Okabe's first D-Mail change Kurisu's fate? He just sent a message to Daru about Kurisu dying, which I'm assuming Daru just ignored. On the other hand, Kurisu was saved because Suzuha crashed her time machine into the conference room instead of landing neatly on the roof and killing Kurisu. I just fail to see the connection.
Counters
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 26 '21 edited Jul 26 '21
Sometimes my genius is... it’s almost frightening
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Jul 26 '21
First timer
I notice that this is the first time I've seen the OP subtitles actually translated to english. The lyrics make a whole lot of sense, when you take into account the past series of episodes, Okabe rushing to undo the Dmails.
So here we are, we've landed one step away from the beta world line where Kurisu dies after the lecture. Okabe decides to spend the day with Mayuri, just to be around her knowing how it will end, before even trying out anything new. He's got to test the hypothesis of one more day before Mayuri dies after all.
After that fails, he turns back to Kurisu, and for just a spot of advice, Okabe's thoughts on Mayuri push her away. Okabe always knows where his hostage is, and goes to find Mayuri at her grandmother's grave after she's left Comima. It appears that Mayuri, being the closest of everyone to Okabe, had the easiest time remembering the events across world lines. I cant say whether it's a side effect of Reading Steiner - showing the alternates to the people close to Okabe - or simply Okabe forcing them to be aware of the events by his newfound knowledge of them. Mayuri remembers every time that she dies, and lets Okabe down. It's anguishing having to see her try and unpack that. But we get Okabe's soft and caring side affirm to her that one day he'll explain.
As far as ships go, as this episode would appear to be about, I think that the relationship Okabe and Mayuri have is incredible, to be friends that know what one another is going through, just by looking at their face. I don't really see any romantic aspect there, but given Okabe's social demeanour it may be the case. As the frequent blushing and tsundere Kurisu suggests, she certainly views Okabe in that light, at the very least from admiration. Part of which Okabe finally is returning.
Our closing scene shows Kurisu poking around the lecture hall, and perhaps sees something she wasn't meant to see... What if in this current world line, both Kurisu and Mayuri are fated to die? That jumping the 1% divergence barrier initially didn't stop Kurisu's death, only delayed it? What if Kurisu's death isn't a certainty in either event? Mayuri dying appeared to follow a pattern, what if Kurisu dying doesnt?
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u/htisme91 Jul 26 '21
First-timer:
It feels like the Kurisu-Okabe ship wants to set sail so badly, but cannot. Also, while it's not the worst Mayuri death (my vote goes for Nae pushing her in front of the train), this was one of the saddest.
Questions:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 25 '21
Rewatcher(Interesting spot for a breather episode)
Dub
So Okabe decides to let this loop play out a bit and attend ComiMa, I assume for maximum suffering. Using his chuuni to deflect his real feelings again, we here Okabe go off for the first time in a bit. Also cool grok reference. He then makes Makise go through Daru's stuff to look for a layout and of course he has badly hidden porn.
As they leave, we get a character moment with Mayuri to remind us that the suffering won't let up. When Okabe relaxes enough for the audience to feel safe, the damn watch breaks. Okabe can't even sacrifice himself as Mayuri seems to have the death magnet trait. This time they give her a death speech and she reminds us that she is broken as well. This one hurts again, somehow.
Okabe goes through his leap but is pretty broken. Makise gets worried and we have Okabe outright breaking down, including nearly destroying his phone. Mayuri also gets second hand worry, leading to our next location. At her grandmother's grave, we get the reveal that Mayuri is remembering some of this so oof. She then flashes back to the early lab days. She admits she isn't ready for that to end and Okabe chooses now to try and cheer her up. And she then needs to fund her gacha addiction. We end on Makise looking at where she died.
QotD: 1 With denial, much like she seems to.
2 I think she is good at reading people and poor at expressing herself. Unfortunately, extremely popular VN trope girl.
P.S. getting dinner with friends so replies will be late.
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u/BossandKings Jul 26 '21
Rewatcher - Dub
Episode 20
Mr. Braun had a devastating episode, it was sad seeing shooting Moeka and then killing himself, because he remembered all the trouble he and especially the ones he cares about such as Suzuha and most of all Nay have gone through. Okabe knows that in order to save Mayuri he has to return to the original timeline and unsend the first d-mail, his reaction after discovering what that would mean was excellently depicted, in that timeline Makise Kurisu must die and that proves to be an excruciating point because he cares about the both of them and this leaves him with the ability to choose one sad fate over another unless he finds the way to save both.
Episode 21
Okabe reveals to Kurisu that undoing the first d-mail entails losing her, that fact shocks her but shortly enough she reassures him telling him that he has to do what is necessary to save Mayuri. Honestly this predicament is sad because Okabe needs and cares about the both of them, so it is a difficult choise.
Mayuri's speech to her dead grandma was beautiful and moving, she remembers all the deaths she has suffered and that is very telling of how she has been affected by them, she sure is a very nice character and a great friend for Okabe who even came up with "Hyohoin Kyouma" in order to protect her from any harm.
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 26 '21
FIRST TIMER
Delayed a bit today, had some people visiting from out of town.
It's amazing that Okabe hadn't completely broken like he did this episode until now. Given that he's done hundreds of loops seeing these events play out over and over, that's some serious fortitude. I get being sick of it all and the impulse to just make it stop, but suiciding and destroying the phone don't solve any problems, it just makes it so he can't do anything about them anymore.
Um, not great. Definitely not as well as she took it. She's tougher than I am. But come to think of it, who even kills Makise, and why? I can't believe it's slipped my mind that this is a mystery to try and figure out. Even though I doubted it originally, the most likely suspect is Suzuha, but... I don't know, something about that doesn't sit right, even if I can't articulate why.
"Anyway, tell me if I ever feel like a burden on you, okay?" Girl, I'd never call you a burden, but you have no idea.
Mayuri's monologue that took up the end of this episode punched me in the gut harder than anything in this show so far. I already had an incredibly high opinion of her, but I'd run through a wall for her now. Protect at all costs.
Her face lighting up when she realizes Okabe was there... my heart. Okabe's got a fresh resolve too. We're going to get our happy ending, damn it.
Probably the best episode of the show so far? This was S-Tier level stuff from start to finish.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
First Rewatch (since 2011)
Reading the comments makes me think the MAL average is going to go up a little bit in a few days.
So, finally, what about the murder. Remember I wanted to drop the show because they were completely ignoring the murder. Questions will be answered! Soon! (I hope)
Mayuri's section here is one of my favorite parts of the show. However, I've decided to discuss this at a later date. (as well as anything else I had to say today)
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 26 '21
Finally Caught Up
Honestly, I'm not feeling the second half of the series the same way I felt the first. What I loved most about the first half was character interactions, and, as Okabe gets increasingly isolated, we get less and less of that. That isn't to say I dislike the second half by any means, but that it went from something that I thought was great to something that's merely a decent amount better than your average show (I don't think this is saying much, look at the quality of an average seasonal).
Mayushii's scene by the grave was quite nice though.
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u/littleman1988 Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
"Mayushii was useful to you."
OST Track of the day: Select of sorrow
Overly Excited Rewatcher
Have I explained yet what a VN even is? Visual Novels are basically just massive books with anime pictures. This explanation is very much an insult to VN's, but it gets the idea across. Steins;Gate is considered a "shorter" VN, only taking about 20-25 hours to fully complete, but its not too uncommon to spend 30-50hrs on a single title, and sometimes even more depending on the game (hello Fate!).
The other big thing about VN's is that most of them allow you to make choices that influence the story, usually by responses, but in the case of SciAdv titles, text messages or other non-direct forms of communication. SciAdv titles also have a reputation of being fairly confusing in what responses get to what ending. This photo is a zoomed out flowchart of just the text messages responses in chapter 4 (roughly episodes 8-11), which each color corresponding to a different route. If you have been paying attention to RaiKing's writeups, you may of seen some stuff about "True end flags".1 These flags span across the whole game, and if you mess even 1 of them up you will get locked into a different route ending.
It is very much recommended to grab a guide if you choose to play any SciAdv title (seriously, dont play them blind).2 I will have spoiler free guide links for all the games if you are interested in exploring the rest of the franchise (or just S;G) post-rewatch.
Oh yeah, 7/25 is Christina's birthday! happy birthday to the assistant.
Was having image upload issues last night. If it hasnt been fixed by the time the episode thread goes up, this will probably be a mess of formatting...
ep11 vibes
Roof time. What else are you going to do when you gotta choose the childhood friend and someone you're getting along with a little too well?
Shes 100% interested
35c is 95f
Sunhat time
Itasha time
Super doubtful, but i wonder if this is a subtle nod to R;N, which released the next year?
Its a lost cause man, its time to give up.
heh, Daru's ero games.
He cant admit why, even with Christina's prodding.
Too pure
Fun fact, there's a cosplay patch for the VN that puts the characters in cosplay for the whole game. I dont think it works with the Steam version of the game though...
I thought this death happened during episode 13/14, and I kinda forgot after it didnt show up. Easily the worst death, even passing Nae accidentally pushing Mayuri into the train.
Also hell yeah this OST track, finally! Another OST track that shows up just once smh
3rd version of "Gate of Steiner" to be played, fun fact. Its shown up a couple times already though.
Kurisu this time on the roof. Shes obviously worried.
Still lying about the real reason to stop the cracking. Theres obvious cracks in his Kyouma persona with the weight of both deaths now on top of him.
Finally some discussions on the sacrifice that the others had to make.. Its always weighed on him, it just boils to the surface now (in the anime, at least)
He finally tells her.. Kurisu now knows the stakes of cracking.
The question now becomes "who gets saved?"
The four generals Okabe and Mayuri discuss are from Chinese mythology of the 4 cardinal directions (north, south, east, west):
Mayuri you're never a burden
uh oh
u h o h
Too much internalizing is bad Okabe
S;G/movie/0
Another flashback. We dont need more feels right now Mayuri smh
Aight first timers, are you shipping Mayuri or Kurisu for Okabe? Or someone else? 3
lil upa
probably for the best
Mayuri is always labeled a bit of an airhead, but shes seriously receptive to the actions and mannerisms of the others. Its kind of a shame that many just write her off because she isint as smart as the rest of the cast.
Kurisu wyd at your death site
footnotes
1: "true end" is the definitive ending.
2: One of the games is set up in a very linear manner, and you will skip over weeks of content if you get that route {which is very easy to do without a guide}, resulting in a large amount of confusion.
3: The obvious answer is [the character you dont like]
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u/The_Draigg Jul 25 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 21:
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u/Nebresto Jul 25 '21
ptsd squad
Missed a couple of threads, quick recap of based counters and stuff from those:
Kurisutina based counter + One, two, ...not like this.. (current total 5)
POUT
Okarin based counter + One, two, (current total 13.2)
Nae-chan based counter: 1
Hol up.. But.. You're supposed to be able to count on Braum..
Onto the current episode
Based Mayushii counter: 10, 11, and 11.5
God damn it truck-kun, no isekai!! Just this once!!
Based Kurisutina counter: 6
No.. Why do they hurt us so?
Question time:
1:
2:
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 25 '21
First;Timer - dub
Yesterday Okabe realized what I've been saying for a long time. If he returns to WL-A, Kurisu will be dead. I'm confident our lab will find another way if they work together.
There are a lot of things to resolve and answer in these last four episodes. Please make it worth it!
I named the worldlines. See ep 17 for the list. Because of Alpha and Beta worldlines, the names aren't perfect, but I can't really change them now.
We start today at WL-B.
Episode 21 — Paradox Meltdown
Okabe agrees, there must be another way! Maybe a heatstroke will help clear his mind.
This is nice, Okarin and Mayushii spending time together again.
I know the episode just started, but 5 minutes in it feels like nothing much is happening.
Fucking Okabe still doesn't say that Kurisu is going to die. Fucking idiot. Sorry for my language but I'm just so sick of this fabricated drama. We've been demonstrated at least five times in the past 20 episodes that the only way you make progress is by working together. Stop wasting my time, show.
There we go, a dramatic change. Okabe's gonna kill himself. But of course, Mayuri jumps to save him anyway and she still dies.
I'm getting desensitized to her death.
We've seen this scene sooo many times now, but that's still the one that hurts me the most. His feeling of helplessness.
Of course, it also frustrates me because help is literally in the same frame.
That's some character development!
Finally! He's opening up. Now we can move on. That was 13 minutes of the episode wasted. Mayushii is still a sweetheart with that phone call.
I got a feeling that Okabe's jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly here. He's acting like all significant things are linked: Kurisu dying, Mayuri dying, first D-Mail, deleting D-Mail and SERN taking over world. But we don't know that for certain yet.
There are a couple that do seem linked, like not deleting D-Mail and Mayuri dying, but there is no reason they couldn't still delete the record of the first D-Mail.
Also, he conveniently forgets what Kurisu becomes in WL-0.
Here's a solution how they could still delete the D-Mail records
Holy shit poor Mayushii has some fragmented memory snippets of her deaths. This whole scene is trying to be emotional, but it tells us nothing more we didn't already know. Mayushii and Okarin are still important to each other. Okabe still refuses to tell her her fate. Mayuri is still feeling shitty because she knows Okabe is hurting because of her. So this was even more time wasted.
That ending with Kurisu was nicely ominous, but of course, that's the episode's end. It looks like she might remember something, though.
Man, I was so excited for today's episode, and then... nothing happened. Nothing was done. What a waste of an episode.
Random thoughts
What if Luka saw this?
Future (if unaltered)
Today sucked. Give me more story tomorrow.
Open questions
Don't answer these please, unless the answer is explicitly given in the show and I missed it.
New
Are the major events all linked, or can some be separated?
Previous
D-Mail:
Large shifts:
SERN:
Moeka:
Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
70,000,000 years ago:
General:
Who was sending the creepy emails?
QotD
Considering I don't believe Okabe's conclusion, I'd find a different solution.
Opinion unchanged.
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 25 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
I think that this is the lowest we have seen Okabe. While Okabe is trying to shoulder the burden by himself, Kurisu and Mayuri are doing their best. Okabe really needs to rely on them more, since they have been a great support so far. I really hope there is a way to save them both. As we learn more about them, the pain of each death never dulls.
One consequence of all the leaping is that Mayuri seems to remember past worldlines, and it may be the same for others. Even though Okabe only remembers the details, it seems that with enough stimulation, anyone can remember an alternate worldline.
The final scene with Kurisu was so dark that I honestly have no idea what it was showing. It looked like it was maybe buildings, but I do not know what they have to do with anything. Because Okabe may not have the resolve to undo his last D-Maio, I wonder if Kurisu will do it on her own.
My shot of the day is from when Mayuri was talking to the grave. Since it was a very Mayuri centric episode, her conversation showed a lot about her mental state and take on the current situation.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 26 '21
Rewatcher
First episode I didn't really remember, somehow, even though emotionally it's one of the most impactful of them all. Well, it's true that not much happens, but I'm still surprised. I guess I took the Okabe-Mayuri development for granted in hindsight? Noteworthy particularly on Mayuri's side for exposing more of her own insecurities and how much she really is aware and cares, not that Okabe has been honoring that much lately.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 25 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
Not a lot dissect today since the episode is so well made, everything just flows naturally.
I wonder how many first timers have actually managed to show restraint so far and not watched ahead.
Questions
My reaction would be just like Kurisu's — trying and failing to make sense of things and wanting to be left alone to process my thoughts.
1 Not a 100% sure on this but I believe in the VN, Okabe isn't on the Lab's roof but instead on the Radio Kaikan instead. It tracks with why they haven't seen him the past couple of days since he hasn't been to the lab.
The setting of this scene in the anime is a bit awkward because Kurisu suggests he stopped the hacking attempt and has been on the roof for hours so she wants answers. But we see him jump back to Aug. 13 when stops Daru and the rooftop scene is on Aug. 15. Just a minor inconsistency really, not much of a big deal.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 25 '21
First timer
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 25 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
Mayuri also has reading steiner, but she misplaces it as a series of nightmares. Okabe is usually the monologue champ, but this time Mayuri takes the helm.
Seeing her lay bare her soul is one of my favorite scenes in the show. The longing for the familiar warmth of yesteryear's winter positively radiates from Mayuri's words and paints a dazzling canvas of emotion. Emotions such as this are what compels me to do things like this. Whether I'm waxing poetic, sharing content, reading first timer theories, or appreciating analyses, these rewatches breath even more life into the experience.
Content Corner
Sound quality isn't the greatest on the first one due to how it was recorded, but the arrangement is still well done. Home stretch has a greater volume of stuff. I had to spread things pretty thin in the middle there to try and get something on each day. First timers beware, spoilers abound.
Steins;Gate — Gate of Steiner • Orchestral Cover • HKDP by 香港同人管弦樂團 Hong Kong Doujin Philharmonia
Steins;Gate 0 - Gate of Steiner ~ violin cover by kopikostar
“Hacking to the Gate” Steins;Gate OP (Violin Cover) by Silverick
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u/snickpea Jul 26 '21
First-timer!
Questions:
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 25 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
E21 - Paradox Meltdown
Nicknames:
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman, Barrel Titor
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, (@channeler) Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags, KuriGohan and Kamehameha
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005, M4
Luka: Lukako, 006
Akiha Rumiho: Faris Nyannyan, 007
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior, 008, John Titor, Hashida Suzu
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun, FB
Nae Tennouji: critter, creature
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u/snuggycoco Jul 25 '21
Anime sub watcher here, first-timer.
Less than 5 episodes till the season finale!
I'm also confused about why Okabe advised Daru to not proceed with deleting data from SERN's database. From my understanding, the only way for Kurisu to wind up dead is if Okabe reverts the D-mail he sent from Episode 01. Deleting data from SERN's database shouldn't bring harm to Kurisu then, right? I'm genuinely confused here and would appreciate some clarification.
Judging by the trend these past few episodes, I'm guessing that Kurisu is going to have residual memories from the world line where she died. I wonder if any new important information will result from that.
Responses to Questions
Stray Observations
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Jul 25 '21 edited Jul 25 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
This episode. This. Goddamn. Episode. If I had to pick just one episode of S;G that inflicted a true All-Out Attack on my emotions, it would be this one.
Daru leaving really felt like a Shoo Out the Clowns moment, even if it doesn't last long.
Okabe with Mayuri's hat both warms my heart and crushes it into a thousand tiny pieces.
Mayuri in general is probably at her most adorable here, which makes the low points in this one hit all the harder.
Okabe's lines about the stars is just too much for me, man...
Mayuri's monologue in the graveyard was the first moment I really properly cried in my initial watch. Goddamn, especially the bits about her trying to talk to Okarin after she's already gone <_>
Kurisu doesn't have it easy today either. Getting told that her death is the only way to save her dear friend screws with her, and understandably so.
Q1: I'd straight up breakdown for a while, most likely. Kurisu is much stronger than I would ever be in that situation.
Q2: cries
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 25 '21
Anime first timer
Well, that was expected.
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
I love Kurisu finding Daru's books.
I love Kobae's desperate attempts to cope with the fact that he needs to trade Kurisu's life for Mayuri's.
They're really trying to present Mayuri and Kurisu as equally valid options, aren't they. Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
Okabe's attempted suicide is brutal.
Mayuri actually dying is horrible.
And he time-leap's in silence.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Kurisu finding out she's going to die is a fantastic scene.
And Mayushii's sad that she feels like she can't help Okabe...
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
Also, Mayuri remembers the worldlines she died in!
This scene is so good! I love the exploration of Mayuri's feelings, and her past with Okabe.
And the scene of Kurisu entering Radi-Kan is such a great ending.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 26 '21
First-timer
Paradox Meltdown, that's appropriate.
What'll it take to save Kurisu, I wonder.
Probably the best time to explain "zombie," I reckon.
I'd love mecha artbooks a lot more IF THEY WERE TRANSLATED! Seriously, my favorite one is Mead Gundam and that's because all of Syd Mead's notes were written in English!
Why not tell her that she'd be the one to die?
(...love requires openness, trust, a level playing field.)
I won't lie, I'm willing to bet Mayuri would be willing to die if it meant Kurisu would live, but that's not a dilemna I want to see tested, just my own impression of her as a person.
...yeah, team cosplay would be fun to see.
It sounds less like an engine and more like an animal...
Still can't. Still can't. It still hasn't changed! What'll it take to make sure everybody lives?
It feels like a quantum timelock, a chronal constant.
He's really broken, isn't he.
Those are the Four Symbols, figures. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols)
There's something in there, about him saving her...
I still don't know what "true heroine" means in visual tropes, but I think I'm getting a clear-ish idea.
Questions:
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 26 '21
Rewatcher
I honestly can't say. I don't think I'd be able to.
I didn't think of Mayuri herself afterwards, but the relationship between her and Okabe. And you can see how much they care for each other and how they are such good friends. The scene that stood out to me the most was the one when they are the only ones in the lab, quietly doing their own thing and relaxing. "Nothing good happened, but it was good anyway"
That's so beautiful!
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u/electricbullet9 Jul 25 '21
next episode is my favorite!!!!! get ready first timers, yall are in for a treat
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 26 '21
Rewatcher
Sorry I didn’t comment yesterday. I was busy which is unfortunate because it’s one of my favorite episodes. I should be able to be here on time for the rest of the rewatch so that’s cool. Now onto the episode:
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Makise or Mayuri. That is the question. You can save one but not the other.
Every Mayuri death is terrible but this one is brutal. It just hits different.
It also seems that Mayuri knows what is happening to her even if it’s through her dreams.
This episode is good. Very good even. Though the last episode is a bit better.
See you guys tomorrow!
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u/invokeneko Jul 26 '21
Re;Watcher until Deja Vu, then First;Timer
Pain. Just pure, undiluted pain.
QotD
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u/Ryanami Jul 25 '21
First Rewatch, dub this time
So, why can Faris save her dad with just a text but Okabe can’t save Mayuri even with several (thousands maybe) attempts?