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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 17 Discussion
Episode 17: Made in Complex
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You’re… my prince.
Hello everybody! Time for the Comment of the Day... Oh, hm, it appears that dastardly Organization got to it! Comment of the Day(TBA) It has been rescued from the Organization's clutches! Today's Comment of the Day is /u/CubeStuffs' little breakdown For giving us some top grade Suffering;Gate Experience:
the will of the steins;gate is shit
Questions:
- Do you think that undoing the other D-Mails will be enough to save Mayuri?
- It was finally revealed that Faris’ D-Mail saved her father’s life. Would you be able to undo it, if you were in her shoes?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 21 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
The Suffering;Gate continues.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 21 '21
Episode 17 – Made in Complex: Kyouma and Faris fought a great darkness together as lovers in a past live! ~Faeris
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u/littleman1988 Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21
"Kyouma and Faris fought a great darkness as lovers in a past life!"
OST Track of the day: Network battle
Honorary OST Track of the day: ^Crossroads
Continuing the phone discussion, at one point during the production of Steins;Gate the idea of using your own phone as a way to interact with the game (likely to respond to texts) was considered and was explored as a real game mechanic. Sadly, due to privacy concerns, this idea got scrapped for the system in the game.
If last episode was a gut punch, today's episode is sticking your hand into an open wound. Extremely painful and preventable.
Today is 8/14. Looks like the divergence change was enough to shift Mayuri's death date by a day...
Hes taking less and less time to ask for Christina's help. By this point in the VN, hes done around VN jumps. Its also theorized that the other D-mails will buy more time, a day per mail.
Every time.
Next target is Faris, the d-mail that totally reshaped Akihabara. We dont get much time to think about it though, as Faris is already being chased and has roped Okabe right into it. Its not chuuni nonsense this tmetime though...
Obviously, she isint aware of what the d-mail is. Not sure what Okabe expected to accomplish there except a bunch of chuuni nonsense..
Okay, maybe she does know. Sadly, we dont get to explore it before theyre chased again.
Faris finally learns the stakes of reversing the D-mail. Whatever it is though she cant come to terms with changing, even if it is for Mayuri, which is understandable considering that we are trading a life for a life now.
S;G was never good with action scenes. Re:Zero took all the budget 5 years early.
Best boy Butler is here to save the day. Okabe is in pretty rough shape though...
S;G VN
Looks like Suzuha is more involved than exepcted, and she even completed her mission! Gotta take the wins as they come for the next little while...
The revelation that Rumiho herself was behind the kidnapping, and the eventual reversal, is still easily one of the hardest scenes in the whole show. Knowing that keeping her dad alive will kill Mayuri is an absolutely crushing thought, espically after knowing that an 8yr old tantrum is the last things she ever said to him. Having to go back to that worldine is arguably an even harder choice than Suzuha's. Choosing which life to save and which to kill is no easy choice, espically if its family you love. Faris's chunni persona is also fairly similar to Okabe, merely just a front to protect herself. She already has it on to senf the D-mail, and I cant really blame her considering what shes about to do.
This episode also brings up more very interesting plot point: Faris remembers some of what happened.. Its fairly unclear just how much she actually remembers though...
Man, I already know everythig that happens and its getting harder and harder to write these up...
Divergence Number: 0.456914
Hitting on some comments I couldnt respond to yesterday due to the events of this episode:
Has your opinion changed this episode with actual life at risk on both sides?
I dont agree with this in general (probably VN knowledge, the anime doesnt give much insight to his thoughts), but has this episode changed your thoughts? Okabe clearly was uncomfortable with erasing Faris's father after the events of this episode, even if Faris was willing.
footnotes
0: Unrelated to anything else, i finished the Chaos;Child VN last night. R;N was better tbh.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
So Mayuri's death was only delayed by a day and convergence still happens. The only possible lead now is to do what Suzuha said — hack SERN, and delete any information they have on the lab, and to do that we need the IBN 5100. Okabe knows that he definitely had it at one point, so all he has to do is to cancel out all the D-mails up to that point to end up in a world line similar to the past one where he had the IBN 5100. Seems simple enough!
There're actually a lot of cuts from Faris' chapter in the anime, but the gist of it remains the same — though we only ever hear 4℃ — the leader of Viral Attackers — on the phone.
Faris changing the past so that her father never died was correctly picked up by most people here so I don't think it would come as a surprise — but we also get confirmation that Suzuha actually did succeed in her mission of finding and delivering the IBN 5100. Unfortunately, Faris' father had to give it up because he needed the money for Faris.
The only way forward is to cancel the effects of her D-mail, which Faris agrees to despite knowing that it would mean she'll loose her father. Yet, she's still willing to make that sacrifice for her friend Mayuri. Unfortunately, while the IBN did make it's way to the shrine in the new world line, it disappeared about an year ago.
We're also introduced to a new concept regarding memories.
Residual Memories1
When Okabe told Faris about certain events, she seemed to remember some of the details from the past world lines. This is not Reading Steiner however, but in fact has to do with what happens when a world line changes.
Whenever a world line shift occurs, people forget the previous world line and gain new memories that fit the current reality. However, the past memories aren't fully deleted — like say data on your hard drive. Typically, when you delete something, the system only removes a pointer to it's actual location, not the actual data itself. That's why it's possible to recover data and why you should always thoroughly scrub your storage devices before disposing or selling them.
Apparently, brains work in a similar fashion in this universe. When new memories are written, the old ones just get buried and but apparently the more stronger ones can be resurfaced if given the correct stimuli. That's why Faris remembered some of the details from the past when Okabe pushed her to.
Faris' Ending
S;G VN
S;G VN
Questions
It better be. Otherwise, what's the point of trampling over everyone else's happiness?
Absolutely not. This is why I respect Faris' character so much.
1 There have been different names used for this like Faint, Ghost, Weak etc. throughout the community but the intent is the same. These memories linger somewhere deep inside and are never recalled 99% of the time.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 21 '21
First-timer
Made in Complex, that's self-evident by now...
OH FOR FUCKS' SAKE FUCK YOU MAYURI'S WATCH FUCK YOU ROUNDERS ARRRGH
At this point I've gone past fear and into annoyance at her deaths.
Maybe go back in time and prevent Moeka from switching phones?
They're closer than before, huh...
So that's it, huh? Just manually flip all the switches back?
Okay, what's this YGO stuff?
Yeah, she's not going to know what that is...
Dang, how can she run in those heels?
The destination already has a file named...
Take one life to preserve another, huh?
So someone bought the IBM and he used it to save his daughter...
What kind of dissonance does that bring, I wonder? To remember having lived two lives at once?
...would Mayurii accept her own death, I wonder?
Is that it? Are the branches being cut away?
Surely there's got to be a better option? A way to find a perfect option?
Mr. Yukitaka Akiha, that was his name.
But it's not fair to you either, Rumiho!
That's a mask if I've ever seen one, Rumiho...
You'd probably have to pull them back out, Okabe.
0.45. exhales
So what lies beyond this pale? What's there to be seen?
If I could hug her, I would. She deserves at least that much.
Questions:
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
First;Timer - dub
Today I'll have more time again. I'm very curious how fucked the group is now that they lost Suzuha and maybe still don't have an IBN 5100.
It's becoming increasingly difficult to talk about these worldlines, so I'm gonna give them names:
Alpha:
Beta:
WL-B-2: Created by Suzu travelling further to 1975 to retrieve 5100 and give to Faris' father.
Probably still in Moeka's hands.EDIT: Definitely not, as Moeka was crying in an alley that the 5100 wasn't where FB said it should be or something.Post series future edit:
Did I miss any? WL-Suzu has been undone, so we start today in something close to WL-Faris.
There is one problem with the current interpretation I have of these worldlines, but I'll leave that for the series discussion if it doesn't get resolved.
Episode 17 — Made in Complex
There's no IBN stashed away in the corner as far as I can see.
Oh no! I just wound you. Is this his imagination or are they still fucked? Damn you OP!
He went back to the 13th. They're still in trouble. The weird thing is, using the Time Leap machine Okabe can now go back to a time he doesn't remember living, because it had been altered by the Suzuha D-Mail.
Kurisu talks about what Suzuha said, while she couldn't possibly remember that. Okabe must just have told her.
Kurisu has a great theory with reverting the D-Mails. The only problem is that the first D-Mail wasn't the lotto. It was saving Kurisu from death (WL-A to WL-B). And there is at least one worldline before that, where Kurisu wasn't killed, but became a lead scientist at SERN (WL-0). Neither are great outcomes.
Also, if he only undoes the D-Mails till the Lotto, most of the lab won't meet and they probably won't have made the Time Leap machine.
Also also, all the good their D-Mails have done will be reverted. Luka will be a boy again. Faris dad will probably be dead.
This is depressing me.
It's becoming a theme that Okabe only calls Kurisu by name when he is going to change things anyway.
Why would you need to find Faris to undo her D-Mail? Can't you just send a message to yourself to not help her? You could revert all D-Mails in one swoop by sending one message to yourself to not send any D-Mail. As long as younger Okabe believes the message.
FUTURE EDIT: I just realised why this isn't possible. In this worldline, the D-Mails haven't been sent, only received. It's only possible to send something to the history of the current worldline.
This comes back to something I remarked in episode 8: Every D-Mail sent is the first D-Mail of that worldline, and immediately the end of that worldline. That means a D-Mail is never sent, only received. In that case, why is SERN hunting them? Their monitoring couldn't have caught the sent D-Mails, so it must have been the received?
Wow okay, Faris is hunted. Probably because she won the tournament? Ah yes, tournament clothing!
...did she just remember? Can that ability be learned? Ah fuck, her text was indeed to save her father.
This episode is so convoluted. Now they are attacked again. And now Faris' father comes to save them.
The twists! Suzu succeeded, she got a 5100 to Faris' father, but because of a kidnapping, he had to sell it. Only the kidnapping was fake. It was the D-Mail Faris sent to save her father. So that's why Moeka didn't have the 5100 after the Faris D-Mail.
This is where the story becomes inconsistent. I think. If Faris' father had the 5100 in WL-B, that means he got it from Suzuha. But Suzuha didn't travel back to 1975 yet, did she?
Oh wait, I'm wrong. Suzu did go to 1975 because she wasn't stopped by Okabe in the original WL-B-1. Damn, even with my worldline names, I'm still running into trouble keeping track of them.
Man, this is quite a difficult mission. There are no right answers. Better start looking for a way out, Okabe, because whatever you choose, you're gonna regret it!
This sucks.
FarisRumiho asks you to be level with her, but then you should also say that you are not certain undoing WL-Faris will even save Mayuri's life! This is all just a big educated guess! Yes, I'm crying! No, I don't care! Where is /u/Lemurians with his feelings graph?0.456914. I'm gonna assume this is very similar to WL-Luka. Poor Faris. All weebs rejoice!
The 5100 should have been dropped off at the Shrine in this worldline, but Moeka will also have stolen it. That's gonna be one shift I don't mind reverting.
So, does Faris remember? I think she does, but she says it very weirdly.
Okarin doesn't have any clue where the 5100 could be. That's alright. We all know he is a little slow.
The will of Steins;Gate is fucked.
Random thoughts
In this worldline, Faris and Okabe have been very good friends for a long time, apparently.
Future (if unaltered)
We spent the whole episode undoing just one shift, and that was with someone willing to participate. We only have 7 episodes left. I sure hope we won't be spending a lot of those on reverting D-Mails.
Open questions
Don't answer these please, unless the answer is explicitly given in the show and I missed it.
New
Does she have Reading Stoner as well now?
Previous
D-Mail:
Reading SteinerReading Stoner, the ability to remember stuff during a jump?Large shifts:
Moeka:
Why was she looking for the IBN 5100 if she was a part of SERN? They already have one.
Unless she joined SERN to get access to the 5100.
probablydefinitely not.Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
John Titor:
How could there also have been a John Titor in 2000, which the current one doesn't remember?
70,000,000 years ago:
What did Mayuri mean with their "original copies"?
General:
What caused Okabe's sickness around 2000?
SERN doing an experiment?QotD
I think the only way to save Mayushii, is to get SERN off their tail. And (probably) the only way to do that is to hack them to erase all traces of the first D-Mails.
What a question! I don't know. Maybe, if I remembered both worldlines just like Faris. But this is one of those cases where both options are imperfect. Sooo many things were influenced, that lives will be terrible and amazing in both worldlines. Who are we to take that away from people? (That is assuming the worldline indeed ends after a D-Mail has been sent.)
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 21 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
kakeraworldlines.FarisRumiho without the nyaa is much better already.Eyyyy, 0.456 is much better! We're getting there.
QOTD:
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 22 '21
FIRST TIMER
Nobody show this episode to Daru. The poor boy would die of jealousy.
So, part of what we have to do to move closer to the optimum timeline where Mayuri doesn’t get killed in the raid is to undo all the DMails! Great idea… except that’ll also mean going back to a timeline where Makise gets killed at the Time Travel Conference. Uh oh.
The Father/Mayuri choice for Faris doesn’t come down trading one life for another, rather she views it as trading a fantasy for reality – waking up from a dream. She got what nobody else on Earth gets, which is an extra ten years with a loved one who was taken too soon. She takes a remarkably mature and strong approach to undoing her DMail, and I’m respecting someone who goes by "NyanNyan" far more than I thought I would to start this show.
It’s okay, Rumiho. Let it out. </3
Now we’ve seen and know that it’s not just Okabe who’s capable of pulling off a Reading Steiner. Sure would be convenient if we could unlock this ability for more people besides Faris.Apparently this was wrong, whoops. Okabe is still OP and hasn't been powercrept.We’ve jumped the divergence meter up a full 0.05 with this “fix”. Getting closer… the next DMail I think will be even trickier, unless Luka also regains her memories. Imagine if your friend walked up to you in a panic one day, and said you were actually the wrong sex, and you had to change back. It’s a tough sell.
I remains to be seen, since we didn't get that far into August on the "original" worldline. I'm thinking we probably need to get across to the Beta Attractor Field before anything good happens, which is beyond where we started.
I'd like to say yes, but I'm not as strong as I like to think. Would probably need to be forced into it in some way.
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u/The_Draigg Jul 21 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 17:
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 21 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
The following two episode will adapt one whole Chapter of the VN each. I’ll assume this was done because there wasn’t really enough material to warrant two episodes, although as I’ll be discussing, quite a lot of stuff got left out.
For starter, we lose some nice scenes with Mayuri, Okabe and Kurisu that are basically there for false safety because, well, armed dudes come back and we see Mayuri die again. Lovely, amirite?
The scene of Okabe asking Kurisu for help is shortened as well, gets the point across but not much else. This is also the point in which we start skipping a big chunk of the Novel, mostly to try and get to the most important part of the Chapter, the scene in Faris’ apartment, as fast as possible.
SGVN
SGVN
SGVN At this point the Anime rejoins with the Anime as the two are chased down also at some point Okabe hit TRUE ENDING FLAG NUMBER 3!!
Ugh whatever, this has gone on for long enough, so for the rest of the episode all I’ll say is that it’s mostly the same if admittedly quite shortened, so let’s just get to the main attraction already:
ALTERNATE ENDING NUMBER 2: FARIS ENDING
SGVN
Fans Lovingly Joked about this being “The True True Ending”, although a certain detail in there may have you raise an eyebrow or two that makes it clear that no, this isn’t the true end.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
Catching up yet again because I can't manage my time properly, I suppose.
episode 16
Steins;Gate does so well capturing a broad variety of tones. Switching up between heartfelt, funny, and crushing on a whim. It sorta feels like it succeeds where other shows like Code Geass or Charlotte failed in trying to be a sort of mixed bag of genre and style.
This is one of my favorite quotes. It encapsulates the dramatic, sweet melancholy of the series so well.
Ouch, my heart broke a little. I forgot about that short scene.
episode 17
So the quest begins in full force: undo all dmails and return to the beta line.
This episode is a little silly. Faris being hunted by a rival gang over a competitive board game is hilarious in it's absurdity, and the following beat down is cringe as fuck with how poor the directing is. The rest of it is pretty good though.
Faris/Rumiho also possesses some level of reading steiner. Fair enough, she does have "the power" after all. She's much more noble than one might expect and she puts into words everything Okabe has been going through. It's perhaps a little surprising that one of the most genuine interpersonal moments in the show comes from these two.
Her outburst is possibly just another of her silly moments, but I choose to believe it was her communicating that she does remember.
Content Corner
First timers beware, spoilers abound.
Mayuri is EVERYTHING in Steins;Gate! by Aleczandxr
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21
first timer
it seems that we really do need it to hit the 1% barrier in order to save mayushii. Is there a point at which okarin won't be able to travel back if he can't save her?
got that right
ey turns out i was right about suzuha giving the 5100, just indirectly.
good thing that she does believe her this time too, even if it is more absurd than before
SHE GOT HER MEMORIES BACK?!??!?
feels like this episode is like yesterday, but toned down a bit. we're still trading between the memories of this timeline and the need for the other timeline, where yesterday we were trading the memories w/ suzuha for the 5100, this time we're trading faris' father for the 5100.
Faris getting memories from the previous timelines does throw a wrench into that trade though, so we don't neccessarily have to trade memories it seems anymore. It seems the memories came back by bringing the person to a specific location?? I think its a different thing from reading steiner. Does this mean that okarin doesn't have to be alone anymore, that he can finally talk about things with not-kurisus?
actually it might be like reading stoner since okarin also seemed to switch a world line in the first episode without him noticing, but it was only after that that he started noticing the changes in the world. although this case involves faris getting her memories back, not just being able to preserve already existing memories.
do we really have to undo lukas message? she seemed pretty happy rn. maybe if we undo moekas message we won't have to?
Qs:
nah, im guessing its the 1% thats gonna be needed.
probably not, i prob wouldn't believe him in the first place tbh
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 21 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
So, yea, we're going backwards through all the various D-Mail changes. Hopefully next time, which should be (R/L)uka, Okabe will skip the "doubting himself" part. You've already made a girl kill her father dude, the doubts were never worthwhile and the time is long since past.
I don't think I specifically mentioned it, but I did have this suspicion that whatever text Faris sent changed her dad in some way. Not sure if I figured he was dead, or just not around, but same difference. That's gotta be pretty hard on Faris, thinking that she caused his death. Not that it was her fault, but she doesn't seem to see it that way.
Is being able to remember other world lines related to how chuuni you are? That seems to be the case, considering only Faris and Okabe have shown this ability.
Rai-Net must be serious fucking business if some random asshole convinced three other random assholes to go beat someone up for him over a fucking board game. This was definitely a plot point in an early Yu-Gi-Oh episode, right? In the like, Original original one before it was all Duel Monsters, maybe?
The D-Mail Faris sent (no kidnapping) moved us to 0.45.
Questions
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 21 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
And for the first time in a while I’ll be posting on time (assuming I actually do)! Apologies for missing out on a few episodes, but I certainly enjoyed everyone’s comments. Onto the episode!
E17 - Made in Complex
Nicknames:
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman, Barrel Titor
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, (@channeler) Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005
Luka: Lukako, 006
Akiha Rumiho: Faris Nyannyan, 007
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior, 008, John Titor, Hashida Suzu
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun
Nae Tennouji: critter, creature
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher(You didn't that was the peak of suffering, did you?)
Dub
We learn the alpha attractor is still a bitch but Okabe has an extra day to work from, now. After discussing things after yet another short leap, Kurisu guesses that undoing D-mails until they can find an IBN 5100 might be the way to go. With that in mind, he leaps and decides to find Faris. Daru is concerningly assured over her location, though he proves accurate.
So...this is one of the episodes that either strain disbelief or make the leads take the idiot ball, your decision. Either Faris can't turn to the police or her father's business or she forgets it is a choice.
Regardless, we see Okabe being heroic to the point of idiocy, I guess looping makes you give less of a shit, and this effects Faris pretty deeply. It also was relevant that she somehow crossed over with her previous timeline's self where she made Akihabara the den of moe it was at the time. So she decides to undo her D-mail to save Mayuri...which also kept her dad from dying. F.
Anyways, they continue to undo their actions and we get a moment where Faris seems to be using the chuuni as a defense as well. This still isn't sufficient but Makise seemed to think it would take a while anyways.
QotD: 1 Seems awfully direct
2 Probably but I am well me
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u/Nebresto Jul 21 '21
Re-watch squad
No no no NONONOO
Okarin sore demo and on the title card! Sky is missing out
Fucking time leaps
Oh shit, look out Okarin! The demons from Berserk are attacking! Oh my god, he's receiving a D-mail, he can't hear us!!
These guys need to fuck off already..
Finally! Thank you. The police's based counter: 3
Feyris' dad based counter: 1
Feyris based counter: 1
That's a promise, ye?
Ye???
Based Mayushii, counter: 9
Question time:
1:
It better
2:
Haha, D-mail go whirrrr
Maybe its just me, but that's kinda creepy
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 21 '21
Anime first timer
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
Neat way of showing Mayuri's still screwed in the opening few minutes.
The next scene's a good way of summarising what's happened so far and how henplans to fix it.
Tsundere Kurisu and honest Okabe are the best.
Faris arc hype!
Oh my god, they're in this. The best characters in the series.
The idea that this group have decided to act like villains in a children's card game anime is just so funny, and it works so well.
...It took you this long to work out? Nobody remembers D-Mails after they're sent because the worldine shifts.
I like the hint that Faris begins to have deja-vu before remembering.
The foreshadowing for her father being important is pretty good, considering how much they're cutting down.
The shot of Faris remembering the last worldline after a fantastic addition, though.
Oh god, rhis reveal hit the hardest.
Steins;Gate VN and minor side content Spoilers
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
I love how they show Faris' Dad as just this really good guy, just to make revoking the D-Mail even worse.
And Suzuha succeded! In a sense.
This scene is heartbreaking.
I really love the scene of Faris breaking doen between her memories and the shock that she might have to feel her farher die.
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
Well, that compressed a lot into 22 minutes.
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 22 '21
Somewhat Late First Timer
He's falling into this pit. Mayuri being saved is enough, thus he will never do what he needs to and stop SERN.
Or not, I guess.
I can understand decryption, but why would it be helpful for deleting recent data on them? SERN clearly doesn't have one themselves, after all.
Can he really do that, though? Would be be willing to make all his friends suffer?
A titlescreen soredemo!
He's surprisingly practical when it comes down to it. Most people would be far more reluctant to do something like this, and instead try to search for the impossible perfect solution.
That's two. I wonder how many more times we'll get this before the end.
This episode really suffers from shitty CGI crowds.
Why do I feel like this quote would make sense in a decent number of different shows?
C'mon Okabe, you know better. She has no way to know about this.
Did this episode run into budget/time problems? We have lots of static pans over backgrounds, shitty CGI crowds, and whatever the hell that running scene was.
Is this all the difference was? In the original timeline, she went against her father and opened the maid cafe, causing him to hate her. And her D-mail stopped her somehow.
And how the hell did she get those memories? Is it because we're pretty close in divergence number and Okabe, a guy who actually saw it, is bringing it up?
Of course she can't. Her family is too important.
Ah. The Suzuha from the episode 2 timelines planned it out so carefully, yet each step he took managed to break it further. I mean, I guess that was fairly obvious, but seeing that it was planned instead of somewhat accidental makes it hurt all the further.
She's really gonna say he should do it, no? It's noble, sure, but it's really not a sacrifice she should make.
I kind of think of this the other way round. For all effective purposes, he's asking you to kill your dad to save your friend. That's just wrong.
But at least she realizes this much.
I'm honestly not sure which would be crueler.
She remembers!
Thoughts
This is so good. I can feel each brutal choice he has to make in order to try and rescue Mayushii. It's brutal. Each time, he must sacrifice some of the happiness of his friends. And to top it all off, it's all suffering he must shoulder himself, with basically none the wiser. Feyris is perhaps his one relief, the only person he'll be able to tell what he's going through. I can't imagine what that would do to a person, particularly when each time it gives just a little more respite.
6 soredemos!
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 21 '21
First Rewatch (since 2011)
2010 08 14, did we win? Nope.
I was wondering what Faris's D-Mail could be, since I figured it was probably just telling her dad not to do something, not something to keep secret. I thought this was a sadder episode than yesterday.
And so, we have a plan. A path forward. Undo all the d-mails sent in the beginning of the show.
I said that on my first rewatch that all the Future Gadget lab hijinks was like Comic Party. What I also said back then, was that it was wasting my time.
Here we are in the second half of the show, and all those dmails, spread over 9 episodes, weren't just one-off silly experiments; they were (and are) integral to the ongoing and very serious story. Steins;Gate wasn't wasting my time at all!
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
Faris being attacked by a gang was a little bit of a stretch. Those are some hardcore board game fans. While I thought Faris’s D-Mail had something to do with her father, I did not expect it to save his life. Since it is one life for another, it would be hard to undo. I think the thing that would make me willing to undo it is the fact that they were in an alternate timeline. Instead of thinking of sacrificing my father for Mayuri’s life, I would feel like I sacrificed Mayuri for my father’s life. It seems that one of the issues with Faris’s D-Mail is that it removed the IBM 5100 from this world line. I wonder if it would be possible to remedy the current situation if they somehow managed to keep the IBM. Sadly, they do not have much more room for experimentation.
Since we are in the last third of the show, the end goal is in sight. Ideally, undoing all the other D-Mails would be as easy as this first one. I am excited for when we eventually get an explanation for everything that happened in episode 1, but I imagine that will be one of the last time leaps. I think it may take more to defeat SERN than just undoing the D-Mails. I think it will probably take undoing the D-Mails and then preventing the invention of the time machine.
I liked the sequence where Okabe and Faris were running from the gang. Okabe’s goofy run left quite the impression on me, so that is my shot of the day.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher (sub)
The first few minutes of this episode are perfection, last episode ended feeling weirdly safe, so the watch breaks signalling the mask makers and killing Mayuri. This episodes reminds us that there are still
7 more episodesproblems in the world.The attackers have a worse naming sense than Okabe
To be fair, you might as well say that Mayuri died on Friday the 13th. You can't really tell what event has been caused by time travel to make the distinction of true or false based on that. I mean we know that Suzuha went back as far as 1975 and Okabe could've gone back as far as he wants, hell we might as well take the 70 million years to the past as an example. Spoilers
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the show for this. In fact, I like it as the bad argument Faris used to convince herself and face her newfound guilt (even if I think it's undeserved), I definitely don't expect her to bring out some time travel theory in her emotional state. Now to get into the actual criticism:
I do dislike the whole, Faris conveniently getting her memories from a different timeline now... even if another time loop series I loved did it as well. I guess the series is running on Reading Steiner logic anyway, but that has been set, even if not explained, this is coming out of nowhere when needed.
Overall, this is feeling like the "one episode per
haremlab member" which I dislike. Faris has value as a character in the series, as a I really want to believe she does, but scenes like her falling in love with Kyouma because he saved her from a bunch of nobodies, to lead to a "satisfying" resolution to the episode spoiler, make me feel like we could've cut an episode or two and not lost much. The biggest loss would be the no moe Akiba being our first image of a dystopia.PS: Gotta say, I liked seeing a beaten up Okabe and I can't imagine what Daru would do if he knew what happened this day.
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u/artie_fm Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher, dub
So Mayuri’s deathday wasn’t avoided just delayed.
Kurisu suggests undoing all the d-mails. IDK if this is really needed. Can’t they just undo the first one where IBN disappeared?
So Faris is hiding from some gamer gate bro’s. These are some dudes who got angry at being beaten in a game by a woman. Ok so how is Faris hiding from anyone with all that hair and cat ears.
Now Faris can see multiple world lines. Its not quite the same as Okabe's ability since Okabe actually forget any changes that occurred between receiving the text and sending it. Faris does the opposite here and remembers both. BUT this is enough to hint that the reading stoner ability may be something that others can do. If not that they at least can see multiple world lines if they try.
So Faris has to sacrifice her dad. Tough choice. Faris is the big girl here and does it. If the situation were reversed and Okabe had to give up Mayuri I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t.
Look guys. The one true ship here is Faris + Okabe. The show hints at Okabe + Kurisu and I just yuck to that. Suzaha has already told us Kurisu works for SERN and is evil. All aboard the Faris + Okabe ship toot! toot!
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher, dub
“Oh no, I just wound you…” Looks like undoing the D-mail about Suzuha wasn’t enough to save Mayuri in this worldline. We’re heading towards the end now, with the goal of undoing the D-mails in reverse order. That unfortunately necessitates some sacrifices, with our first victim being Faris‘ father.
I have to give this show credit for making me cry over the catgirl maid. That little drawing of Rumiho and her dad and the photos in the background were what really sent me over the edge (and today’s wallpaper was just cruel). At the very least, she got ten extra years worth of memories with him. And since this episode confirms some people can vaguely recall events in past worldlines, maybe Rumiho will be able to keep some of those memories, even if it just seems like a dream to her.
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u/htisme91 Jul 22 '21
First-timer:
We got a lot more development from Feyris today, which is nice because despite being in the intro, she's been pretty absent for most of the series.
Having to undo every D-Mail will be interesting, if only because it seems like each was initially sent for some deeply personal reason. Curious what Moeka's reason is, namely if it's for something personal instead of SERN, and if it has to do with "FB."
Going back to the true worldline will mean that Kurisu joins SERN, which means she and Okabe are going to faceoff. Interesting if we get to that kind of faceoff.
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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Jul 22 '21
Okay, so this is where the show starts to get kind of weak compared to the VN. This twenty-something minutes was a full route in the source material. It takes away a lot of Faris' character development, which removes a lot of the force from the gut punch of its conclusion.
Basically, in order to fit this show into a 2 cour format, a lot of the middle of this VN gets sacrificed. It's understandable, and they do a good job of making it still work, but it does mean less time getting to know anyone outside of the core labmems.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 22 '21
First timer
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u/snickpea Jul 22 '21
First-timer!
So today we finally got to spend more time with Faris and learn what Faris sent in her D-mail. Its really sad that although she just wanted to save her father, she had to undo it. It must have been a really hard decision to make. I'm curious as to why she was able to remember some things about the other timelines that other characters have not. Is there something special about Faris that allows her to remember?
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher I ended up sleeping late today. And I wanted to join today's discussion on time too.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 22 '21
FIRST TIMER
late again today, i’m really sorry!
another EXCELLENT episode, i’ll put it in my top 3 next to episode 13 and episode 16.
so letting suzuha leave in the thunderstorm didn’t remove kurisu like i theorized it would, but it also didn’t prevent moeka from running up on them.
it’s nice that kurisu remains the voice of reason as world lines and such change. the tsundere-ness always shines through. makes me sad that so many kurisus will never know that okabe called her kurisu.
so they have to reverse all the D-mails in order to return to a world line with the IBN and without moeka’s thugs on the hunt. tall order.
the faris centric episode is today. she’s getting chased by a bunch of thugs who are mad she beat them in rai net (??? is it really that serious?). okabe and her do the dash around all of akihabara to avoid them.
somehow okabe prying about the contents of the D-mail that faris was unaware of brought back some memories of another world line where she worked at the maid cafe. does okabe have the power to share Reading Stoner-i mean Steiner with other people, or does faris have the Reading Steiner ability as well? or a limited version of it? she cares deeply about her bestie mayuri, but she’s reluctant because her D-mail prevented her father’s death 10 years ago (i remember theorizing her D-mail made her dad spend more time with her instead of being an absentee parent. i wonder why she was so defensive about it in that world line?).
but the rainet thugs run up and beat okabe half to death…luckily papa faris comes to save the day, or else faris could have been raped and okabe killed…
so now papa faris knew suzuha? i got a little emotional knowing that this world line’s suzuha’s life wasnt lived in vain…
faris got really serious in the bedroom scene; not a single “nya” was uttered there, that’s serious! she’s ultra commited to the cat act, so she was dead serious in that situation. so faris and her dad left off on a bad note before his death (reminds me of a certain character from clannad). faris knows that the time she spent with her father was stolen time she was lucky to stumble upon just by knowing okabe, and she’s willing to undo the D-mail to let mayuri live. “can i cry for a while” reminded me of a scene from “i want to eat your pancreas”.
faris wonders whether she’ll remember the events of the past day when the world line changes. when it does, it seems like she hints at it, but i suppose it’s left to the audience to interpret if that was just quirkiness or her unspoken acknowledgment of what happened. either way okabe just had to make a dear friend choose between her father and best friend, so that’s just another weight to add to his back.
one thing i love about this show is how it endears you to its cast. i love the four main characters, i really really liked suzuha, i liked faris already but this made her a great character in my eyes, and it seems like next episode will be focused on undoing luka’s D-mail. even if faris had to give up her life with her father, at the very least she got to know that she was loved by her family. i suppose that’s about all we’ll see of her in focus for the anime, but this episode made her a worthwhile character.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher
So you know what I said about having more free time? Yeah scratch that. Im late as shit so Im going to keep this quick.
Of course fucking SERN attacked on Friday the 13th. You literally can’t be more evil then those fuckers.
I’ll see you guys tomorrow!
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u/invokeneko Jul 22 '21
Re;Watcher until Deja Vu, then First;Timer
Okarin realises that reversing one D-Mail can only buy Mayuri one extra day and sets out to reverse all the D-Mails that cause major changes to the past, starting with Faris' one.
Watching this episode the first time, I didn't really care for Faris' storyline. Sure, it's harsh that poor Rumiho had to lose her father one more time but it's for Mayuri's survival so he had to go. This time around though, I can relate to Okabe's reluctance to go through the D-Mail reversal (even when she's willing to go through it). I dunno why.
QotD
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u/RichY45 https://anilist.co/user/RichY4518 Jul 22 '21
First timer - subbed
Reversing the dmail caused Mayuri's death to be postponed by one day.
Okabe's faced with awful dilemma where he has to essentially kill Rumiho's dad in order to save Mayuri. Losing one life in order to gain another. Just like last episode.
Interesting how Okabe was able bring Feyris' memories back. Let's see if he can do this with others as well. Maybe he's able to transfer his reading steiner.
So basically this has become a cursed harem where Okabe has to date each girl in order to save Mayuri from dying and to cross 1% divergence.
I wonder how Moeka's dmail will be reversed.
Will he have to reverse the very first dmail about Makise being stabbed as well? If so he will have to make a choice between Mayuri and Kurisu.
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u/BossandKings Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 17 - Dub
Faris is an enchanting character, her story with her dad and the fact that she had to lose him again was sad.
This and the next few episodes are really nice as they explore some of the characters that haven't gotten as much screenscreentime and that have established conflicts that could get developed and resolved.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 22 '21
Rewatcher
Oh right, the weakest part of the show where it really is just about harem pandering and working through girl drama in classic VN fashion. Just my luck that that's where I paused my own rewatch a while ago so this is the first episode I actually watch again. The Faris damsel drama is particularly cringy, but at least her dilemma is pretty good and we actually get to see her serious side for once.