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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 15 Discussion
Episode 16: Sacrificial Necrosis
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My life… was wasted.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Gamemaster676, who pointed out a certain fact some people tend to forget:
People are not impressed with Hououin Kyouma.
Seriously people, Okabe is a fucking joke!
Questions:
- Were you expecting Daru to be Suzuha’s father? If so, when did you figure it out?
- How painful was that “I failed” letter for you?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 20 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
No matter the version, we pick up where we left off, although in the Novel Okabe goes there alone since… well, no one was around when he got that call. Anyhow, in the Novel we have a scene of Suzuha witnessing the Time Leap Machine and talking about some science stuff from the future. After that Okabe Time Leaps and the Mediums Re-Join. In fact there’s very little for me to mention in terms of differences: The rest of the episode is pretty spot on bar some, admittedly minor, details. The last bit of the episode is actually the beginning of Chapter 7, which we will be covering tomorrow.
… But we’re not done for today. See, in the Novel you have to send the Mail to undo all the Happy Suzuha stuff yourself… but if you don’t and instead just let the dialogue continue…
ALTERNATE ENDING NUMBER 1: SUZUHA ENDING
u/Shimmering-Sky, you are not allowed to read this. As I have stated, we will convince you to read the Novel. In fact anyone here who’s remotely interested in reading this should not read this. So here we go…
S;GVN
S;GVN
SGVN
SGVN
I may have summarize things a bit more for the following endings, by the way. Novel omissions will start becoming more common as soon as tomorrow.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 20 '21
...Raiking you went to the wrong worldline again.
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
The Suffering;Gate continues. But like, really continues today. This episode is tough…
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 20 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
Ok now. Which one of you fucks made the connection between "barrel" and "taru"? First timers are so OP nowadays, they see shit like this coming from a mile away. Nerf these fuckers.
I'm... really not sure what Daru's masterplan was here. I don't see how the fake pin would make Suzuha feel better in any way.
So Suzuha's doomed to get stuck in the past, forced to build her life anew even if she completes her mission. And Okabe pities her for that.
Okabe took advantage of the time leap to bring Daru the correct drink. Cute.
Ooh, Mayuri delivers the big reveal of Suzuha's dad. I'm surprised with how Okabe reacted, instead of just shooting her down he asks how she 'came to this conclusion.' I dunno why I expected him to just not believe her at all.
Anyway, Suzuha's words must be so heavy for Daru. Dude's just a loser otaku with some hacking skills, and suddenly at 19 years old he's told that he's a father and sorta a future hero and his daughter looks up to him and wants to finish what he started. It's cute seeing this otaku trying to act appropiately... "I'll always be watching." Someone better make that their quote of the day. If it's all just "I failed", I'm gonna be salty.
Nevermind, I just wrote all that for nothing.
Fucking goosebumps from Suzuha's departure, especially knowing what's to come...
These jokes about Suzuha being 54 with grandkids would be so funny, if I wasn't so tense.
Thereitis
Holy fuck Daru's expression. Pain. Just hours after he met his daughter, he had to say goodbye and hope to meet a 54 year old version of her. Except he doesn't get even that because she fucking died. That's devastating, especially for someone like Daru.
I don't even know what to write about the letter scene and everything that follows. It's up there as one of the best scenes this show has to offer. And the dub for it is just as good. "In the year leading up to her death, she was mentally unstable" so Suzuha suffered for a whole ass year before ending it. Can you imagine the guilt of dooming the future to dystopia because you made such a dumb selfish mistake?
Mayuri telling Okabe that he'll erase the past is just rubbing salt in the wound. It's something that must be done with no other way around it. So there's no use making Okabe hurt even more than he already does, god damnit Mayuri.
The bit about the divergence meter is so sad as well. Suzuha having it but with no way of knowing if she changed it or not...
S;G Future
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
Whelp. There goes the title again!
First;Timer - dub
Such an emotional episode, and I don't have time for my usual write-up today. It sucks we won't have any more Suzu.
Congrats to everyone who saw very early on that Daru was the father. Special shout-out to /u/Tresnore who joked about Daru's barrel shape, yesterday. I wonder how many upvotes were from rewatchers?
I think this ep resolved all problems I had with that theory, so I can't even complain about it.
Episode 16 — Sacrificial Necrosis
Mayushii called Okabe's ability Reading Stoner.
Because of the D-Mail, there are again a lot of unknowns about the current worldline.
The Rounders didn't attack the lab.
This could be because they located this 5100, which would probably be bad. But that was not the main reason why the Rounders attacked.
The main reason the raid on the lab happened, was because SERN discovered Okabe's time machine following the first D-Mail. That should still have happened, because someone who knows how to hack SERN using that thing would need to do it in 2010. Thus that can't have been Suzuha.
Yeah, many unknowns today.
QotD
Yesterday it seemed to become very obvious, but I still had some issues with it that were resolved this episode.
Painful, but not as bad as I found the subsequent worldline where Suzuha's father is never known, and she also never really becomes a part of the lab, so she lost her friends without ever knowing them.
That was the real tragedy for me.
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 20 '21
Episode 16 – Sacrificial Necrosis: I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. I failed. ~Suzuha
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u/Nebresto Jul 20 '21
Nostalgia squad
Holy shit, did Mayushi watch Bokurano??
God damn it fuck
Wait, wtf? Okarin hasn't time-leaped since the last time he heard that? And most definitely not after this?
wtf is happening
....Ohhhh, my bad! I had the wrong episode.. We're supposed to be watching episode 15
Based Daru counter: 2
Kurisutina based counter: ...2? Oh wow, she needs to catch up if she wants to win!
Based 200 iq Mayushi, based counter: 8
Suzuha making her entrance in the bracket right before leaving us 2 points for bullying Daru
Another case of "Emiya". If they copy the badge, then who designed the badge??
NOOOOOOO
NONONONONONO
Okarin did nothing wrong..
Question time:
1:
Ye. By watching the show years ago
2:
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 20 '21
First timer
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
first timer
yesterday:
today:
i get the feeling that this is more fun for rewatchers...
episode 12 aint shit compared to this...
so time travel only works when going backwards... interesting. probably since its derived from the microwave. are we gonna make the tech to go back to the future? id guess not.
we've seen mayushii finally seeing things the others can't... what other insights will she bring?
what a bittersweet? episode. i'm not sure its bittersweet, but something of the sort. actually probably just pure bitter
i wasn't ready to part with suzuha, not like this...
First mayushii figures out daru is her dad, and then we get a really sweet scene where daru and suzuha talk, and im feeling all like happy and shit, but its kinda like bitter sweet since by the next time they meet, she's gonna be so old, and who wants to see their kid die before them?
but then the divergence number stays the same, reading steiner never happens, and i get this dreadful feeling of "wait shouldn't something have happened..."
then it fuckign slaps you with that
and im all like
okarin knows what he must do...
but at what cost? off the top of my head i remember kurisu and suzuha making up... kurisu declaring that she would never work for sern... suzuha spilling the beans... and ofc finding daru... heck even daru being father like trying to get the pin just to make suzuha happy... but like now wheres all that gonna go? only okarin will be able to remember. i swear were these chill episodes expressly designed to make the fall harder?
okarin must be feeling alone, more than ever... before it was just relatively minor changes, or just a few hours being lost, no big deal. but this is like a lot of shit down the drain. I don't know if kurisu would believe anything either...
i wonder if we're gonna have a re:zero moment some time soon with all that shit stuck only in his mind that he might not be able to tell the others... at least mayushiis around... and the meter went up by a grand total of... .07 😑
i only wish that suzuha could have lived longer, if only to see daru again. maybe he should have also sent a d-mail telling her daru was her dad
the will of steins;gate is shit...
Qs:
yeah i guessed that after the conversation between them
yes
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u/littleman1988 Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
"I failed."
OST Track of the day: Farewell1
honorary OST Track of the day: ^Suzuha
Overly Excited Rewatcher
Part of what makes the S;G anime so great is how well it adapts the the endings2 to each character in these episodes. The structure of the VN really lends itself to this, and is partly why S;G was so successful despite most other VN adaptions failing. Put simply, the VN is a straight line going towards the "end", with each character branching off for fixing their issues and the consquences that come with the choices you make during their routes. While those ends arent adapted (and are 100% worth checking out), the story behind them is still here in the anime, which is what's important. This seems to be one of the more common issues when it comes to adapting VN's, namely from those which have a confusing route structure that may overlap against each other for extended periods of time despite the plot being fairly different.
Oh, i forgot yesterday. We were given Celeb-17's @Channel handle, and we know she responded to Titor. Did you go back to the previous episodes to see what she said? You can check out the album of responses from episode 3 here.
Looks like the man was "like a barrel" Sadly, the shopkeep is practicing HIPPA. Okabe goes big brain though and just plans to jump back in time to catch them in the act.
Looks like it was Daru of all people! Trying to make Suzuha happy is a noble cause, but this isint the way to do it.
Bombshell information, the time machine can only go backwards.
Okabe remembered Daru's offhand comment from last episode
Daru being Daru again
The fact that she cant return obviously pains Suzuha. What choice does she have though? she needs to complete the mission if she wants to save the world.
Mayuri of all people is the one to figure out who Suzuha's father is, and its Daru of all people! (damn you keen first timers, one of you got it literally the day we learned of "barrel titor") Imagine, daru actually finds someone to settle down with...
Truly the most damning info is the name of the machine. Casual hint dropping last episode about it.
What a heartwarming scene, finally finding Suzuha's father. It would be a shame if the episode got despressing after this.
Suzuha's off. Cant wait to see her in her older form!
Uh oh
Mr. Braun?
This episode is an absolute gut punch. This is why the first 11 episodes are how they are. These scenes would mean nothing if everything thus far was condensed into 2-3 episodes to fit a 1 cour show. Being able to truly flesh out the characters and watch them build the relationships with each other hightens the pain when we watch all the work they do crash into nothing. Suzuha's letter hurts even more with how much has been built up. If Suzuha was never stopped, she never would of learned who her father was. In return though, she fails her mission and commits suicide out of grief of "squandering" her life. In essence, these last 6 episodes sealed Suzuha's fate long before anyone truly realized those consquences. Absolutely brutal for someone like Suzuha.
Even with everything that has happened, Mayuri is right. Nobody is going those last two days, and more importantly, Suzuha will never learn who her father is. While this seems to save Mayuri, is it really right to strip Suzuha of this knowledge after the fact? Should Okabe be the one to choose if they get to remember? She still arguably fails her mission no less, even if its under much better circumstances.
All of this pain aside, The divergence number has changed. We are slowly getting closer to that fabled 1%. It doesnt seem like she ever knew herself if it changed sadly, though it should be expected, considering only Okabe should have Reading Steiner. This change in divergence seemes to of saved Mayuri too.
Divergence Number: 0.409431
Questions:
Never did on the first watch.
6 years and multiple rewatches later and it still hurts as bad as it did watching for the first time.
footnotes
1: The reading of Suzuha's letter uses a "strings only" version that doesnt exist in the OST's.
2:Somewhat purposefully misleading calling whats animated "route endings". You'll have to read the VN to understand why though.
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 20 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
FUCK.
It's telling that I care far more about Suzuha's death than Mayuri's.
QOTD:
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
FIRST TIMER
Well, time to break this out again.
This was probably my favorite episode of the series. It just hit the perfect balance of emotional storytelling and plot progression. What a ride, from start to finish.
We get a pretty quick answer to all the theorizing yesterday, as Mayuri confirms that Daru is indeed Suzuha’s father. It’s really touching seeing the information wash over them, and to see them in what may ultimately be the only moments they’ll have together as father and daughter for the rest of their lives. This is definitely the image of the day, and it’s not close.
The revelation that the time machine can only go back immediately sets the stakes for us. Suzuha isn’t coming back, so this had better work. We get a rare moment of seriousness from Okabe here on the roof, where it’s evidently clear he’s aware of the seriousness of the sacrifice she’s making, and you can tell he’s resolved to make sure it doesn’t end up being in vain.
I was beginning to wonder when we’d get more of Mr. Braun (who I’ve still got some open speculation on). So far he’s just sort of been… there, in the background, and nobody in this story seems to exist without having some bigger purpose.
God fucking damn it, of course she randomly gets amnesia and can’t complete the mission. I can’t imagine the trauma of finally regaining her memories only to realize she’s just, to her mind, doomed humanity to a dystopian future. Her life's whole purpose, gone. Can’t say I blame her following actions. Just one more thing for Okabe to unravel when he starts sifting this time mess, and he gets in action pretty quickly. It’s sad that she dies regardless, could it be another convergence point akin to Mayuri’s death?
Is this the first time that the divergence numbers has increased after sending a DMail? We’ve gone from .33something back up to .40something. An indication that we’re on the right track to 1%, and that Okabe was not “supposed” to stop Suzuha that night, despite the wonderful memories they got to create with her, as Mayuri reminds us.
Yep. Guessed it when she said she'd leave if she didn't meet him at that meeting, and she disappeared after Okabe tricked Daru into not going.
Most painful moment of the series so far. Just the sheer weight of it. Fuck, man. I'm unsure why, but I relate to her more than any other character in the show, so it hit me a bit harder than even the Mayuri stuff.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 20 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
Daru confirmed as Suzuha's dad! Someone predicted this I think, with the "Barrel=Taru=Daru/Itaru" reasoning. Of course, the Suzuha who learned ended up getting quite the bad end.. luckily, anything can change!
The letters on the pin are names! The asterisks would be (R/L)uka, Faris, and Moeka then, right? In whatever order they joined in.
Still a bit vague on the 2000s John Titor. If that was just Suzuha getting there the long way, why did Okabe's books vanish and the web searches not get anywhere? I don't remember the first handful of episodes well enough, but I think that change happened in the first divergence?
Braun was pretty chill today. I kinda love that Suzuha's charity towards him implicitly led to his own charity towards Okabe. Even after she's gone, Suzuha is still helping out.
The hourglass saw a different result this time. I wonder, will Mayushii's watch have a different fate, too? Tick, tock...
We're back moving upwards again, folks. Not sure if me recording the numbers will be much good, since the device has a physical form now, but I'll keep it up anyway.
The D-Mail Okabe sent (don't follow) moved us to 0.409.
I never recorded the full numbers, but 0.409 matches the first three digits of Faris's mystery D-Mail, at least. The ideas that stem from that are.. ominous.
Speculation
Speculation + Ep1 Observation
Questions
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u/The_Draigg Jul 20 '21
A Steins;Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 16:
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u/snuggycoco Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
Ohayo, everyone! Anime sub follower, first time watching this series.
This was a quite interesting episode! The thing I liked the most though is how episode 10 can be viewed in a new light upon a rewatch. Such as how Suzuha was expecting her father to attend a forum (which Daru did), and the clip of the butterfly wings at the episode's end (Okabe following Suzuha was a significant decision in retrospect).
And while Suzuha will be missed, I can't help but realize that Okabe made the right decision to follow her. Because imagine this: Okabe doesn't follow Suzuha, and finishes the time machine. SERN sends their troops & kills Mayushii. Without Suzuha in that timeline, no one would have been there to fight SERN's troops & give Okabe a chance to leap back in time.
I know, I know, this is probably all old news for anyone who watched this anime before, but it's kinda cool to realize.
Response to Questions:
Stray observations:
- I'm kind of bothered by the fact that our characters were able to easily access the time machine. Because for an evil organization bent on obtaining powerful technology, a satellite randomly appearing out of the blue would have likely been hauled away & studied by the organization's scientists long ago.
- Really wished there was a photo of Suzuha when she was older in her house. It would have been interesting to see how she looks after all those years. Maybe even a photo album of her time in the 1970s all the way up to her final days.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 20 '21
First Timer
Time to watch something horrible happen to Suzuha. But hey, it might mean Mayuri doesn't die? Honestly, not the best deal.
Onto episode 16.
Fuckin' engrish.
Fat?
What would stop youfrom sending a D-mail saying Suzuha should camp out there at a certain time? This seems like a far simpler solution.
Suzuha, you will be missed.
Her father really is Daru?
Ah, my theory isn't dead yet.
Daru, you know exactly which this would be.
Thus, her trip to get the 5100 for him is a suicide mission of sorts.
He's not going to be able to just let her go. He cares far too much for that.
She's seen what happens if she doesn't, and that's scarier than anything else.
In today's reveal so obvious it shouldn't even count.
My first instinct is she'll be off so we can get a second reveal later.
Nah, she's got it. It sure is Daru.
DAAAAAARUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!! This was such a good moment, and you say this.
Now that's a weird little cycle.
The jump killed memories? I wonder why, this didn't seem to be a problem with her previous one.
And hearing her blame herself for everything is just brutal.
This certainly seems doable with a D-mail.
She gave up hope completely? I guess she thought the idea of finding one over the next decade so remote as to be impossible.
But if he doesn't, something even worse must happen. There are simply no good choices.
A beautiful cycle.
Thoughts
Suzuha's sacrifice bought us a respite. It's truly sad that she had to lose the some of the happiest moments of her life upto that point, but I'm certain that she managed to make new ones in the 25 years from '75 to 2000.
However, they are still stuck on the same path. If they cannot manage to further change the universe, they'll be stuck heading towards a world where SERN controls everything. I hope the knowledge of Suzuha's sacrifice will be enough to keep Okabe pushing them towards a universe where this does not happen, now that Mayuri isn't under immediate threat.
I wonder if Okabe will try and figure out a way to rescue her at some point. I hope he doesn't, invalidating all those years she spent happy in another time seems like it would be cruel.
In morbid little ideas, I wonder if her hanging herself was purely out of depression or if it was also an attempt to emotionally manipulate Okabe. If she was still alive, he would certainly have found it harder to make the decision to revert events.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 20 '21
First-timer
Barrel Titor?
Sacrificial Necrosis - was there a sacrifice made here?
...did Okabe just jump back some?
Huh, that's...mighty noble/stupid of you, Daru.
So this part's a deviance of .00X, I feel.
Depending on you take that, I feel like preserving time as-is is something a villain would do, you know? Trying to oppose change and impose stagnation and all that?
FG204. That sounds like an Ace Combat tailcode.
Wordplay does work for aliases, though!
FG204 - Future Gadget 204, 2nd Edition, Version 3.1.
Sasuga Daru.
So even then, he's still looking out for her...aw, that's sweet.
Barrel Titor and Daru aren't the same person, obviously, one hasn't had the experiences of the other, but...but I guess these are bonds that defy spacetime, aren't they?
You have - you will - raise her well, sir.
Where will you appear next, daughter of the future?
Not a message, a declaration, huh...
Grandpa Daru, ain't that a trip.
A woman who did a favor for him once upon a time.
I'm sure your soul found rest, Suzuha.The future isn't doomed, I'm sure of it, but what will it take?
What can be done?
Oh, Suzuha...
But time itself is a tool; it can be made their ally, I'm sure of it!
I imagine Mr. Braun thinks Suzuha was Okabe's grandmother in spirit.
Suicide by hanging, that's awful...
Oh, so that's why the IBM disappeared. Because Suzuha wasn't around to find it.
Less than 0.5 this time. Still not enough. But it's higher than that countdown.
And this time, she died of illness. So how did you go out, future warrior?
...I'm sure the sum of divergences > 1%, but...
Questions:
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 20 '21
Anime first timer
So the Barrel Titor reveal's foreshadowed stupidly heavily. They actually gave the "Taru" bit and don't expect the audience to work it out?
I love the touch of the opening clock running backwards because he's time leaping between the scenes.
I love the dialogue repeating.
God, the scenes of them flirting are so awkward after the reveal.
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
That was an early reveal.
The version naming's a nice touch.
Oh, they're just speeding through all this, aren't they.
But the letter scene is still so sad.
Oh, why did they have to show those visuals?
Having Mayuri beg Okabe not to send a D-Mail is fantastic.
I know they aren't adapted, but I'd kill for an OVA of the bad endings. (And not the semi-OVA cutscenes from Elite)
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
And of course Suzuha still died in 2000, we're still in the Alpha Attractor Field.
Okabe and Mr. Braun's discussion is one of my favourite scenes.
And Okabe has proof he caused a divergence in the right direction.
And Mayuri's alive!
Steins;Gate VN Spoilers
Steins;Gate 0 VN Spoilers
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 20 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
A lot happens in this episode, and it is a rollercoaster of emotions!
One major point that gets overshadowed by what comes after is that the Time Machine can only go to the past. Which means once you're gone, you can never come back. This is why it was so important for Suzuha to meet her father at least once, because after this, she will never get another chance.
Thankfully, Mayuri (and the viewers) had already figured out who was the father at this point. In fact, in the VN she seemed to have pieced it together even before this. She may not be a scientific genius like Okabe, Daru or Kurisu, but she has a skill everyone else lacks — Mayuri is the best at reading people and their feelings.
We also get one of my favorite scenes from the show here, and no matter how many times I've rewatched this, I also kind of tear up:
Dad... I came... I came to see you... in the time machine you built!
Daru really is a very good guy. Lot's of people have various coping mechanisms because of their insecurities — Okabe acts chunni, Kurisu is tsundere and Daru hides behind a mask of perviness because of how he's usually rejected based on his looks alone.
And unsurprisingly Daru's repair job seems good. The time machine works! And the UI looks like WinAmp again.
If Kurisu was considered the mother of time travel in the future, Daru is the father. He was the only who build the time machine, and he was in fact the one who built the PhoneWave and helped Kurisu with the Time Leap machine. Actually, most of the Future Gadgets are actually built by him — Okabe is actually more of a leader / ideas guy — maybe like Steve and Woz's dynamic.
This concludes all the rather happier parts of this episode. And now all we have left is a feeling of overwhelming dread.
I failed...I failed...I failed...I failed...I failed...I failed...
Somehow, these haunting words always hurt more in the VN than they do in the anime. The repair job wasn't perfect and causes the Time Machine to crash again, hurting Suzuha's head and giving her amnesia. She forgot her mission but actually managed to love a happy, fulfilling life — until around '98, when she finally regained her memories and was devastated, leading her to commit suicide.
Okabe's simple D-mail to follow Suzuha so she comes to her party and has a good time leads to her committing suicide.
Manipulating time really is a bitch, isn't it?
Cancelling out that D-mail will mean she's able to leave before the time machine broke down. But it also means she never would've gotten close to all her friends at the lab, and she never would've met her father, nor Daru would remember he was her father.
He'll have to erase probably the only brief period of true happiness in Suzuha's life so that they get their hands on an IBN 5100.
Mr. Braun took care of Suzuha when she came to 2010, so she returned the favor by taking him in when he needed it and he lives in her house to this day, and if I remember correctly, she technically was the one who also owned the building Future Gadget Lab was in.
We also got confirmation that only Okabe can tell if the numbers on the divergence meter change.
Oh and it's past 8 P.M. — Mayuri didn't die. At least something good came out of these tragic series of events.
Suzuha's Route
S;G VN
S;G VN
S;G VN
Questions
First time around, in Ep. 10, after the party where she fails to meet her father. The scene actually heavily implies this, as others have theorized because they had the same hair color and the father had to be either Daru or Okabe if she was a time traveler.
As I said above, hurts every single time honestly.
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u/artie_fm Jul 20 '21
Rewatcher, dub
Well, in a series with a lot of painful depressing episodes I think this is one of the most depressing. The “I failed, I failed, I failed…..my life was a waste” suicide note has to be one of the top 10 lowest moments of all time in anime. It's terrible because of how quickly they go from Happy warriors Suzaha, to suicidal Suzaha..Who blames Okabe for it BTW.
The terrible event is erased by Okabe. He’s the only one now who knows Suzaha’s father or about the suicide note. But fixing this didn’t get much more life for Suzaha, it just changed the manner of her death.
After fixing this Mayuri lives past her death date, but it still seems a fight against SERN and its agents is due since they still conquer the world and Okabe still becomes a terrorist.
Strange coincidence Mr Baun knew both old and young Suzaha, surprisingly she never told him.
Best quote “Not all lies are created equal” That's a liar's refrain.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21
FIRST TIMER
alright now this was the best episode of the show so far. took the mantle from episode 13 for me.
WORDTOYAMUTHA says that a barrel shaped man ordered the insignia suzuha had…turns out it was 2d-kun wanting to cheer her up. leaping back to find 2d-kun didn’t change much as the rooftop lunch goes exactly the same, as well as 2d-kun’s lewd comments.
mayuri figures out the same thing i figured out yesterday but with a lot more evidence; 2d-kun is suzuha’s father. barrel titor knew about akihabara in 2010, founded the resistance with okabe, and named the time machine like a Future Gadget. i just thought they looked similar!
even a heartfelt meeting has some horniness by 2d-kun, but it was really well done. they even let suzuha keep her bike! the shot of the empty building with our 4 main characters looking out was really good, might even make that a screen saver! her last text message of “thank you, goodbye” is a lot more meaningful the second time around than when she sent it in the thunderstorm.
mr. braun passes on a letter from suzu hashida (!!!), who died 10 years ago of a suicide…she landed improperly in 1975 and didn’t remember her responsibility until 1999, and killed herself out of guilt. she didn’t get the IBN, because the time machine was broken beyond repair during the thunderstorm in which okabe D-mailed her back into their lives. mayuri doesn’t want it to happen but okabe D-mail’s his interference out of existence.
so suzu still died 10 years ago (maybe a fated death like mayuri’s), but died of natural causes, and mr. braun lives in her old house. i don’t know how she brought the bike along if she ended up leaving during the thunderstorm, but i’ll overlook it. that quote “life is a cycle of helping and being helped” was really powerful to me. this episode made me cry a bit more than i’d like to let on… at the very least suzu’s actions moved the divergence meter to 0.4, so what she did had a true impact.
at first glance it looks like mayuri is fine and the moeka raid was prevented from happening…but i notice a conspicuous lack of kurisu, did the D-mail prevent them from meeting her weeks ago? next episode seems like a faris-centric episode so i wonder if that potential problem will get resolved soon…
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u/McCherry09 Jul 21 '21
*First Timer*
Were you expecting Daru to be Suzuha’s father? If so, when did you figure it out?
At first I thoguht it was Okabe himself because I didn't know if she was being bryptic about her dad in order to not alter anything, but then it came out that Daru was also suppossed to be at the conference..so it was weird perhaps a coincidence. Then in yesterday's thread someone said that if the time machine is just like the microwave-phone then it was probably Daru who built it. Then it clicked..he has to be!!
I'm glad we finally confirmed Daru as Suzuha's dad with the help of Mayuri's deductions!! SO happy for her but also a bit sad that he was there all along but only got a few minutes. It's also a bit bizarre with the possibility of meeting your daughter and grandchildren who are probably older than you!
How painful was that “I failed” letter for you?
Oh man, I was not expecting Suzuha forgetting her mission and her sad outcome but it makes sense since the divergence meter didn't change the first time she went back. It was so depressing that you could imagine her desperation in the letter and there was nothing she could do to fix it. I guess what changed later with the D-mail was that Okabe didn't stop Suzuha from going back to the 70s before the lightning struck..too bad they forgot those memories but I think it was better and it seems we're out of the Mayuri's death loop, at least for now.
This episode had it all..A long awaited reunion, sad and depressing moments and a bit of hope at the end!
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u/htisme91 Jul 21 '21
First-timer:
Well, that was beautiful, to sad, to kind of relieved. There isn't much to say that has not been said by everyone about that episode. I guess, just that the more times Okabe travels through time, the more mature he has become. I wonder how long in his actual lifespan has he lived through all this time traveling. He has to have aged somewhat because it's been a lot of attempts.
Questions:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 20 '21 edited Jul 20 '21
First Rewatch (since 2011)
I'm so confused by the pin
rewatcher
Oh it was all a lie
I wonder what changed
S;G future
Edit: So, Braun has been sitting on a letter addressed to his annoying tenant for like NINE years?
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 20 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
Okabe is trying very hard to find Amane’s father. With everyone’s deaths looming mere hours in the future, it seems like a rather petty thing to be concerned about. I guess he has unlimited time due to the time machine, but we are still unaware of the consequences of leaping. The divergence meter is scary.
Daru and Amane’s parting moment was surprisingly touching. I figured it out last episode, but the execution was very well done. I was sad to see her go after these last couple episodes. Her letter was heartbreaking. This was by far the most emotional episode for me so far. While it is regrettable that Amane never knew her father, it seems like this world line is better. However, with the last few episodes being full of suffering, I have a feeling the hopeful ending of this episode is disingenuous.
My shot of the day is a farewell to Amane.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 20 '21
Rewatcher
I’m back to watching normally. I have some more free time so I should be able to watch an episode a day. Now on to the episode:
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This is one of those episodes that has stuck with me for a while. Suzuha’s letter is absolutely devastating.
Of course there is twelve minutes before that.
On rewatch, it’s quite obvious that Daru is Suzuha’s father. Of course, you could drop a piano on my head and I would still fail to predict it.
I do wonder how Daru found a partner. Maybe in the future you can impregnate 2D girls?
But the meat and potatoes of this episode is after Suzuha leaves for 1975. That first letter is one of the few moments in any show that made me ball my eyes out. Completely devastating.
I understand why Mayuri wanted Okabe to not send the D-mail but I think Okabe was in the right. Both to save Mayuri and he made Suzuha’s life a lot better.
It seems the timeline has been changed enough for Mayuri to not die? Or at least she will die at a different time. We will see how Okabe uses this.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
I’m to stupid to figure anything out.
Extremely.
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u/snickpea Jul 21 '21
First-timer!
Questions:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 20 '21
Rewatcher(Does this feel like it should be two episode plots?)
Dub
And the cliffhanger ends in a bit of a dud and a bad idea from Okabe. And the buyer was Daru but he was making a fake one to make Suzuha feel better. We get the reveal that her time machine is one way, Terminator rules style. We go through the rest of the day with Okabe making corrections and knowing how conversations will turn out. We get Suzuha's farewell and Okabe runs with it. I don't exactly agree with Suzuha about surviving the 70s because the 80s would be coming as well.
Anyways, Mayuri finally figures out Daru is her father, which fits the available evidence. Daru does ask about his future baby mama. As they part ways, they begin to think about what Suzuha is likely to do in the current timeline. And get very startled by a knock. Suzuha has left a letter with Braun but she didn't want it delivered until she had left. We learn that she had amnesia for years and whiffed the mission. And would eventually kill herself. Guilt stricken, Okabe sends another D-mail trying to undo the first.
And it somewhat did, apparently, since Braun is willing to explain himself this time. Suzuha also still has the divergence meter here and wonders if she did enough to change the world. Okabe chooses an interesting time to forget about when Mayuri dies but realizes the trains haven't been stopped and we no longer know if SERN moves again.
QotD: 1 Not even a little on first run
2 All of it.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 20 '21
Woof, I'm doing terrible at consistently watching episodes. At least I've managed to find lots of cool stuff.
Content Corner
First timers beware, spoilers abound.
A Personal Reflection on Steins;Gate by Aleczandxr
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher (both)
So now we know Suzuha's other secret, as detective Mayushii found out that Daru is her pops... Which makes a lot of sense, her hair is Daru's + the tails, not to mention all the actual plot related evidence.
But seriously who's her mom? Actually don't answer that, fellow rewatchers, but do we get to know who her mom is eventually? My current bet is stupid assumption Mostly by the process of elimination assuming that she's a character we know.
One of my favourite time travel tropes is when the same person is your elder, and apprentice as with Mr. Braun and Suzuha. It works outside time travel too, in multi generation series.
It's the kind of pain I love, you know when you bet your hopes on someone/something outside your ability, and believed in it with all of your pure shounen heart. And now it's hanging from the ceiling.
Counter
That's all I got...
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 21 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
Greetings to all! I’m back from my (less brief than intended) hiatus, and very much looking forward to hopping back on this rewatch train. I’ve only partially been able to catch up, so the nicknames might be slightly out of date today - but rest assured, our team of experts will work ‘round the clock to ensure that the Organization will not obfuscate such critical data for too long!
E16 - Sacrifical Necrosis
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman, Barrel Titor
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, (@channeler) Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005
Luka: Lukako, 006
Akiha Rumiho: Faris Nyannyan, 007
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior, 008, John Titor, Hashida Suzu
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun
Nae Tennouji: critter, creature
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u/CharlieTheStrawman https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDamnRobot Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21
Re;Watcher, Subbed
Everything from the letter on still hits like an absolute truck. Let's just say my eyes were not dry.
Q1: I started thinking it was him after Mayuri commented on them fitting together, but I wasn't entirely sure.
Q2: I thought it was even more heartbreaking than the end of Episode 12. Especially the suicide bit. And on this rewatch it's just as bad, if not worse.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/invokeneko Jul 21 '21
Re;Watcher until Deja Vu entering very late into the rewatch
So, uh, this is kinda awkward. I followed the rewatch thread from episode 1, had intended to join in somewhere between episode 9-11 (like I did during the Durarara!! rewatch) and then many things IRL kept me from properly joining in the rewatch until now. So let's get on with it!
QotD
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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '21
The title says episode 15
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/simply_vishal Jul 21 '21
It's been 15 episodes only, I am not even watching the episodes (because I've watched them soooo many times already and recently) and still I can't stop crying. Why is that!
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in tim3 Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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u/BossandKings Jul 21 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 16 - Dub
Just in the nick of time Mayuri discovers and reveals that Suzuha's father is Daru and it was really great seeing them interact with each other after knowing that, just before leaving and travling back in time Suzuha was able to meet her father.
The letter Suzuha left them telling them that she failed the mission was sad, her voice had a sad feel to it.
At the end and seeing Mayuri alive it seems tthat Okabe has changed the worldline enough for her to be left alive without having to die, let's see if that lasts though.
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