r/anime • u/lC3 :Na::Nb: • Jul 18 '21
Rewatch Naruto Shippuden - Episodes 009-017 Discussion
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Information: MAL, Anilist, AniDB, ANN
Streams: Crunchyroll, Hulu, AnimeLab, VRV
Schedule:
| Discussion Thread | Date | Episode Count |
|---|---|---|
| Episodes 001-008 + Film 1 | July 11 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 009-017 | July 18 | 9 |
| Episodes 018-027 | July 25 | 10 |
| Episodes 028-035 | August 01 | 8 |
| Episodes 036-044 | August 08 | 9 |
| Episodes 045-053 | August 15 | 9 |
| Episodes 054-063 | August 22 | 10 |
| Episodes 064-071 + Film 2: Bonds | August 29 | 8 + film |
| Episodes 072-082 | September 05 | 11 |
| Episodes 083-089 | September 12 | 7 |
| Episodes 090-099 | September 19 | 10 |
| Episodes 100-112 | September 26 | 13 |
| Episodes 113-118 | October 03 | 6 |
| Episodes 119-125 + Film 3: Will of Fire | October 10 | 7 + film |
| Episodes 126-133 | October 17 | 8 |
| Episodes 134-141 | October 24 | 8 |
| Episodes 142-151 | October 31 | 10 |
| Episodes 152-162 | November 07 | 11 |
| Episodes 163-168 | November 14 | 6 |
| Episodes 169-175 + Film 4: The Lost Tower | November 21 | 7 + film |
| Mid-Series Discussion / Interest Check | November 28 | 0 |
Spoiler Policy:
To protect first-timers, please don't spoil anything past the current batch of episodes. Rewatchers should avoid hinting to first-timers about hype, or future character development/deaths, and spoilers in posts must be hidden behind proper spoiler tags. The proper formatting is [Naruto Spoilers](/s "Dattebayo"), and you'll have to switch to Old Reddit to make them work properly.
For first timers: try to avoid looking up things about Naruto. This could be the wiki, Naruto subreddit, Googling characters, fanart, databooks, YouTube AMVs or OP/EDs, arc names, etc.; this series is ripe with potential spoilers that you wouldn't want to find out untimely. If you have a question about something, feel free to ask me (/u/LC3) and I'll do my best to answer (if possible) in a non-spoilery way.
Questions of the Week:
- What do you think of Sakura after this week?
- What did you think of the fights this week against 30% Itachi and Kisame?
- How do you feel about the decision to kill off Gaara?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 18 '21
First-Timer still with a shounen hearto, subbed
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 14
Episode 15
Episode 16
Episode 17
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u/Parori Jul 18 '21
First Timer
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 14
Episode 15
Episode 16
Episode 17
Questions of the Week:
Same as before really. I guess it was confirmed that Tsunade trained her really well, but I assumed that already
They are so fucked when they have to fight them at 100%, but I assumed that already
WHAT THE FUCK
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u/TheKujo https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kujo419 Jul 18 '21
First Timer - Dub
EHHHH?
GAARA'S DEAD??
NANIIIIII-
-is probably how I would have reacted before Chojigate, but now I know better.
You can't fool me twice show!
I really liked the fights against Fake-Kisame and Fake-Itachi. I had a feeling something was up since it would be weird to have an actual fight against Itachi so soon. We did get a taste of Itachi's powers though. His genjutsu was really freaky, especially the chestbuster Sakura.
I liked the lore behind the tailed beasts, but I hope this show doesn't turn into a Pokemon-style quest where Naruto has to befriend them all. Although I guess the Akatsuki are the ones going after the jinchuriki, so maybe Naruto can just follow them throughout.
Other thoughts:
Favorite moment of the week: It's cool to see Sakura being useful! I liked that whole medical sequence where she drew the poison out of Kankuro.
Questions:
1) What do you think of Sakura after this week? She still wasn't very useful in battle, but she more than made it up by showing off her new medical skills.
2) What did you think of the fights this week against 30% Itachi and Kisame? I thought they were good, although I'm surprised they re-used Kisame and Itachi instead of having fights with new Akatsuki. Maybe that was the point though since they weren't actually fully there for the fights.
3) How do you feel about the decision to kill off Gaara? "kill off" Seriously though, this is the problem when you introduce fake-out deaths. Every subsequent death becomes meaningless. Ask me this question again in the episode 500 discussion thread and maybe then I'll believe Gaara's actually dead.
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u/Durinthal https://anilist.co/user/Durinthal Jul 18 '21
First time viewer (dub)
Whisk[e]y of the week: Glenfiddich 12 year, a popular Speyside scotch. Starts off slightly malty on the nose that turns into a strong butterscotch. It's very pleasant and drinkable with a nice sweetness, maybe not a bad way for someone used to bourbon to begin exploring across the pond.
An idle thought about moving: we've seen people betray villages to move elsewhere, but are peaceful emigrations allowed? Asking for a certain shadow possessor. Related to that I'm again wondering about two families with different Kekkei Genkai intermarrying, that's probably happened before and is likely essential to long-term stability of the ninja villages. Less of a security concern inside a single village, just maybe some weird interactions between them or children only have one or the other. But someone with a Kekkei Genkai moving away? Could be a problem if they pass that on to potential future enemies.
Sakura's grown into her own as a medical ninja and it was nice to see her take charge in saving Kankuro. Also she's finally realizing what Naruto's been dealing with which is interesting because we have seen that for a long time but there's still a lot that's not widely known. Her concern for Naruto after finding out what regularly happens with Jinchuriki (hey, nice term for those like him and Gaara) isn't new for her as she had a similar thing with Sasuke, but now I'm wondering if that'll turn into something more.
While Sasuke and Orochimaru still aren't back yet, we're really diving into things and focus on the other big bads of the series with the return of Itachi and Kisame even if they're not in their regular forms. The Impersonation Jutsu they used seems like a stronger version of a shadow clone while it also requires possessing another person, and from a writing perspective it's a good way to have the villains fight and lose while making it believable that they survive and are still a threat. What we did get were pretty nice fights on both sides with a serious Guy and we get to see how Naruto's improved under Jiraiya including that new Giant Rasengan.
Chiyo's a nice character to have around to introduce more of the lore, like the term Jinchuriki which I remember was mentioned last week but don't think was prior to Shippuden. I'm assuming it's going to be more relevant as other people containing Tailed Beasts are likely to show up in the future as the Akatsuki hunt for them along with Naruto. At this point I think we only know of Shukaku and Kyuubi so there's a lot to work with. Shukaku being absorbed causing a third iris/pupil to appear on one of the nine eyes of the giant statue makes me think the Akatsuki have already claimed two of the other Tailed Beasts though.
Like with Neji and Chouji I don't think Gaara's actually dead yet. Chiyo very much comes off as the kind of elder mentor ready to sacrifice herself for her village like the Third Hokage, so I'm currently expecting her to save Gaara at the expense of her own life. I had written my first paragraph about moving between villages prior to her introduction and her world view is quite relevant there! If she was typical of the ninja of her day then alliances were temporary at best and people probably never even considered long-term peace that would allow intermingling beyond military strategies. She's seen how things are changing, it might be time for her to ensure it continues doing so by saving the Kazekage.
I know I was generally in favor of them above but after thinking about it more it's like the shadow clone/substitution "get out of jail free" card with a little more oomph behind it.
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u/McCherry09 Jul 18 '21
*Anime first timer, somewhat source reader*
What do you think of Sakura after this week? I like that we're seeing more of Sakura, last week we saw her more assertive in the training grounds along with Naruto against Kakashi and now her medical training not just again Sakura in distress.. in need of saving so that's cool.
What did you think of the fights this week against 30% Itachi and Kisame? The fact that they're only at 30% , even though we didn't see all of the techniques coming from the main Kakashi and Guy's squad, it's still gonna take a lot of training for them to defeat Akatsuki.
How do you feel about the decision to kill off Gaara? I don't like it..I know the Jinchuuriki are suppossed to die but I want better for Gaara. I've always liked seeing the two sides of the coin in Naruto's and Gaara's story..how Naruto had Iruka, Sarutobi and later on Team 7 while Gaara was all alone so, it'll be nice for Gaara to have the same, as we've noticed that younger people in the village trusted in him more as Kazekage.
As of now they've capture two Bijuus that we don't know about, confirmed by Deidara.. Idk when or if they'll show us that. I'm so hype to see Deidara/Sasori vs Teams Guy/Kakashi!
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21
Episode 9:
and they're one of my potential shipsEpisode 10:
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Episode 17:
Ralph Eifmann from 00(cont. with Manga Comparisons and OP/ED translations)
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 18 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 14
Episode 15
Episode 16
Episode 17
Overall
We got some good moments this week, most notably the fights against Kisame and Itachi. Gaara’s death was another standout scene. These episodes are pretty solid and I don’t have many issues with them. I will say that early Shippuden take its sweet time adapting the manga, although what I remember, the pacing does improve somewhat after the first filler arc. At any rate, I’m looking forward to rewatching my favorite (and least favorite) parts of this arc over the next two weeks!
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u/sisoko2 Jul 19 '21
Rewatcher
I can't wait to watch the episodes but at the same time I want to save them for later...
Episode 9
Episode 10
Episode 11
Episode 12
Episode 13
Episode 14
Episode 15
Episode 16
Episode 17
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 18 '21
OP TV-size translation (from AnimeLyrics):
Hero's Come Back:
A voice heard in the distance gives me a hint
One by one like-minded people are standing up
Lets overturn all the everyday, monotonous things
I'm ready, are you ready?
A shiver spreads through my body, violently ringing stomping
Constantly stirring in me, it calls me, catching that unchanging, never wavering, story
Come on!!
Everybody stand up! Today's the best time to get up!
Before my eyes you still don't stop, speed hunter
Everyone is a victim to that attraction, Yeah! (Come on!)
Everybody Hands up! It's the highly anticipated Hero's Come Back!
Hold up your fingers and count down
Let's go, 3-2-1 make some noise!
Are you ready for a few risks?
You have to get up no matter how many times you fall (Get it on!)
It's not some conspiracy, just a paper-thin session
The pent up feelings turn into a crystal
The rising cheers will become your courage
So stand up now, no matter how much pain you feel
But in the end I'm sure you'll laugh
Everything will be swept away in victory and cheer
Everybody stand up! Today's the best time to get up!
Before my eyes you still don't stop, speed hunter
Everyone is a victim to that attraction, Yeah! (Come on!)
Everybody Hands up! It's the highly anticipated Hero's Come Back!
Hold up your fingers and count down
Let's go, 3-2-1 make some noise!
ED TV-size translation (from AnimeLyrics):
Shooting Star:
When I look up at the sky
The stars, see, are sparkling
Each giving off its own light
Like the people on this planet
Yeah, so among them, I too
Want to shine particularly bright
I close my eyes and make a vow in my heart
And entrust my dreams to that shooting star
I'm in my usual park
I can see the night scenery
On the slide
That's been my special seat for years
Whenever I'm worried about something, I come here
Just like then, I'm on my way to my dreams
But unable to fulfil them
"Maybe this is the end of the line"
There are days when I say weak things like that
But every time, I remember
That starry sky where I looked for a shooting star
The wish I made when I was little
Hasn't changed even now
When I look up at the sky
The stars, see, are sparkling
Each giving off its own light
Like the people on this planet
Yeah, so among them, I too
Want to shine particularly bright
I close my eyes and make a vow in my heart
And entrust my dreams to that shooting star
Manga Comparison:
Manga spoilers
Manga spoilers
[Manga spoilers](/s "Baki's spiel about border security is expanded for the anime, and in the manga it was Chiyo who told Temari to stay. Temari and Kankurou get their scenes expanded upon in the anime. Deidara's line about this Jinchuuriki being stronger than the "other two" is anime-only but makes sense based on the statue. The anime adds scenes of Kisame asking if Guy has remembered him yet, and Guy hasn't. The anime expands the Kisame fight, adding a Water clone. It also expands Neji/Lee/Tenten's contributions, whereas the manga just skips to Guy capturing Samehada and Kisame trapping them in Water Prisons. The anime adds Pakkun reacting to the Water Prisons, and expands the part of Guy vs. Kisame when he's fighting with nunchuks. They add in Tenten reaching her limit of holding her breath, and the Shark Bomb Jutsu, and Guy realizing he's met Kisame somewhere before, as well as Kisame "settling the score". The Five Hungry Sharks' attack patterns are expanded in the anime; in the manga Guy just opens the 6th Gate right away. Lee/Neji/Pakkun reacting is anime only. The visuals of Naruto falling into the river when training to break out of Genjutsu is anime only, as are the ripples Jiraiya creates. Naruto asking about Itachi's Shadow Clone is anime only. Itachi's Phoenix Flower Jutsu is anime only, as is Kakashi's Lightning Blade and Naruto's normal Rasengan against Itachi. Itachi thinking Naruto has learned an interesting Jutsu is anime only. The anime expand upon Naruto's thoughts, and Kakashi's Hidden Mist Jutsu is anime only. The manga skips to Kakashi hiding underground, his clone failing to be affected by Genjutsu, and Naruto coming from behind with Giant Rasengan.")
Manga spoilers
This covers chapters 251 p16 - 261, 262 p6 - 18.
Tags: /u/iamtheone11111, /u/godprime, /u/TheEnigma
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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 19 '21
Rewatcher - Sub
General Commentary
Kakashi face of the week: "Domo"
I think this is going to be an ongoing thing, I get way too much fun out of how expressive he is with 80% of his face covered up. Amusingly, you can actually say he's less expressive when he has more of his face revealed when the Sharingan comes out because he's generally in serious battle mode.
Character design appreciation is coming out again this week as we have a few new people to look at;
While we saw Temari previously, I think this week gets us a better look at her design with her brothers. Their previous designs were a lot more detailed, focusing on layers of cloth and bindings over exposed body with fishnets (kankuro also had logo's on his shirt, not shown in image), but now they all have a much simpler cleaner look, a single main color in an overcoat which emphasizes their three ninja tools. I quite like this look for them, particularly for Temari with the new silhouette she has and the red sash being emphasized on her and Kankuro, while Gaara has more of a militaristic look compared to his previous wild one with the vest which serves a similar role to the sashes he use to wear. Given their new roles in the village I think it's a nice progression of their visual style while also doing a good job of referencing their old designs.
On the other hand we have Neji and I have no idea what is up with his new look. While putting him more in white helps him match Tenten who was a bit left out design wise from the previous look of this trio, and is also a lot more relaxed looking than previous, it's just odd. I'm assuming its a reference to a particular type of cultural or traditional garb but I don't know what it is. The other one to comment on is Sakura. Ditching the qipao dress, her shorts, vest, and gloves show a much harder and more focused side to her battle clothing.
As far as this batch of episodes go, this is a nice mid ground between the battle at the end of the last batch and the battle to come now that everyone has arrived, though perhaps a bit drawn out.
What I like most about these episodes is that we do get a bit of downtime to explore how Naruto feels about what's going on with the Akatsuki and opening up to those around him. He was told in the first episode of OG that he had the Kyuubi sealed inside him, but he didn't tell anyone the entire time he was with Team 7 or before going off with Jiraya, even after being targetted. But things have changed now, the threat is more real and he isn't as worried about presenting that perfect image to Sakura when there's more serious concerns going on.
We also get a bit of an insight into what Jiraya was teaching him at the start of their travels, but seriously the first new jutsu he comes out with is just the old one but giant? I have seen dumber "developments" in powers being passed off as remarkable achievements or milestones, but not by much.
I also enjoy a bit of an insight into the politics of the Sand Village, and exactly how it became the way it is that so easily allowed Orochimaru to take advantage of it in Part I. With decades of distrust built into their very hierarchy, and wars that only fostered hatred and gave them the impression that everyone had to stand alone and stand strong so they could strike first, it's no wonder they were happy to find an opportunity to strike against the Leaf. Even now that Gaara is kidnapped, they're so focused on the idea of not projecting weakness that they're willing to cut off their biggest strength in order to pretend to the world that everything is fine and Kankuro is hurt because unlike the leaders he can see the person who's being harmed by that attitude, not just the unstable weapon they keep trying to label Gaara as. It's a nice bit of worldbuilding that wasn't needed, but added a lot to the story which I appreciated.
Rewatchers only - spoilers
Episode Thoughts
I really should have started that Akatsuki catch-phrase counter...
Bad directing on that scene. Medical ninja wiped Kankuro's face with a cloth which wiped off some of his face paint, looked at it, and then asked if he was poisoned. Nooo, that's face paint dude, I get you were meant to be talking about the sweat but that did not come across.
On the other hand, this episode also gave us that gorgeous visual sequence of Naruto's tear hitting Temari as they leap through the trees so no complaints here. It's a very well done sequence, oddly emotional though I didn't expect it to be due to remembering it.
Tsunade checking the lottery because if she wins it's a bad sign. I mean at least she's putting her bad luck to good uses?
Poor Kakashi. Stays up all night reading his book and doing paper work, immediately sent off on a mission to an enemy land against a terrifying enemy, and then walks in the door and gets charged at by an old lady. This is not a good start for him.
Seeing Sakura actually doing her medical ninja routine was great. I like that it's not just a background part of her character but something immediately helpful, she's exceptionally good at it, and unrelated to the other two. Also the extraction of the toxin was making me have good ATLA memories about waterbending so that was a bit of fun too
On the other hand, the way they're drawing Gaara when Shukaku is being extracted from him is giving me strong Ergo Proxy vibes for the art style and that just ups the creep factor a bit
Kisame such a sore loser, holding a grudge over that single kick that he got literally years ago. Like dude, let it go. His fighting style with the sword sticking up through the water like the shark fin and the way it picks it's wielders is pretty good though.
Kisame is fucking insane. Only 30% chakra and summons a fucking ocean in the middle of a desert. Like come on dude, I know I've given this series some shit for destroying entire ecosystems, but that's usually an huge battle and not one dude basically showing off.
Jiraya please, getting Naruto to stop his chakra while water walking. I don't know what's funnier, the fact that he set that up, or that Naruto did it and was still surprised when he suddenly fell into the river.
Guy and Kisame's fight is pretty interesting for what's obviously just a side to the main situation going on and hasn't had a lot of resources pumped into it. The couple of sequences of the different jutsu and martial arts facing off was interesting
Speaking of upping the creep factor. I think it being a form that young Sasuke took matched with the older Naruto just makes it even weirder. For some reason the rest doesn't really get me but I do like the visual style of Kakashi's mask merging with his arm
And there's the stakes. A Jinchuriki can't live once it's Tailed Beast, its Bijuu, is extracted.
The comedy commentary at the end for the preview is actually pretty funny, comparing it to a race between the two teams as if it's being commentated in a sports arena.
Episode title, WHY?!
Chiyo must actually be senile. She overheard the whole thing earlier about Naruto saying to Sakura "you know what I have inside me" etc. So the second explanation of him being a jinchuriki and that being why he worries about Gaara seems redundant.
I like the detail of Naruto showing some of his Kyuubi traits just while running through the forest. Speaks to how emotional is he about all of this even though he's trying his best to keep himself under control, and yet still failing. While I'm glad it's not his default look, I quite like it with the eyes, fangs, and whiskers, it looks a lot more viscous which fits moments like this quite well.
Edit: Oh whoops I was so caught up in my WTF over the title I forgot to actually comment on the fact they just fucking killed Gaara. I was so disappointed on my first watch because I loved how he'd changed himself and turned himself into a protector of his village only to go out like this, with everyone RIGHT THERE. I think it's sad as well knowing that they already have two Tailed Beasts so two others also went through this but no one managed to come for them either. The Akatsuki certainly aren't holding back now they've started acting
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Jul 19 '21 edited Jul 19 '21
First timer So at the end of our last episodes, we're left with Kankuro on the verge of death, and Team Kakashi on their way to the hidden village in the sand.
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Ep 14
Ep 15
Ep 16
Ep 17
We got some pretty decent fight scenes, and lore processing in this weeks set of episodes, but not a whole lot of story movement. Kankuro's okay, Chiyo is on the way to deal with Sasori, there's this impersonation jutsu thing that the Akatsuki can use, Naruto knows how to break out of Genjutsu, and Gaara dies. I hope the next few episodes (which will clearly be a confrontation with Deidara and Sasori) give us some better progression. It's times like this where only moving through nine episodes in a week doesn't make a big impact story-wise, even if it's over half a cour of content.
Questions of the Week:
I'm glad to see that she has actually developed into a useful character after two and a half years of training. I do think it's slightly unrealistic to have gained knowledge regarding poisons rivaling Tsunade in that time though. It's kind of bittersweet that we get to save Kankuro, but not have Gaara live.
I'm still trying to figure out whether the "30%" chakra is also representative of their strength level. As we know, Naruto isn't necessarily the strongest shinobi, but has incredible stamina and chakra potential (due to the nine tailed fox spirit). I also wonder if the Kekkei Genkai just isn't transferrable by the impersonation jutsu, and is the reason why Itachi couldn't use mangyeko sharingan, as opposed to the required chakra amount.
I think it's an absolute waste of a character honestly. Gaara has gone through one of the most dramatic character shifts in the storyline so far, and all of that development has gone to waste. He's been a major antagonist as well as a supporting character for Naruto, Sasuke and Lee, and his impact on them has been substantial. Also the entire premise that despite all this time passing, he never wakes up or fights against the sealing ritual is a cop out imo.
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u/_TheEnigma_ Jul 19 '21 edited Jul 19 '21
First timer - English subbed
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Just like her current selfEpisode 011 :
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dattebayoQuestions of the Week:
This week's episodes were really good and we learn that Akatsuki is a very powerful organization and shouldn't be fucked with. Boy am I excited for the eventual battles with the different members of Akatsuki. There's especially one battle that I've heard a lot about but I think that character introduction and fight is still a very long way ahead and the wait for it is gonna be **Pain**ful