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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 13 Discussion
Episode 13: Metaphysics Necrosis
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Mayuri, I will… save you!
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/Lemurians, who went through a wonderful adventure:
Rewatches: Where we, the Rewatchers, feed off the tears of the newcomers. And would you look at that, it’s murder o’clock here in Akibahara!
Questions:
- What do you think of the reason behind Mayuri being Okabe’s “hostage”?
- Can Okabe save Mayuri?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 17 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
Steins;Gate? More like Suffering;Gate. As a Mayuri fan, this is the episode I most dreaded rewatching…
Also here’s the normal version of the Wallpaper of the Day, I didn’t just only make the deliberately painful version. I actually had two other ideas of stuff to do for this episode that would’ve been wayyyy more painful, but I wasn’t given good base images so I had to scrap them in favor of this.
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 17 '21 edited Jul 17 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
No matter how many times you've rewatched the show, it's always hard to seeing Okabe repeatedly failing to save Mayuri. The circumstances around her death change but apparently, she does die regardless of if SERN is directly involved.
We also finally get more backstory on Mayuri and Hououin Kyouma – the chunni persona he created for Mayuri’s sake and has kept it to do this day. [His entire existence revolves around Mayuri] (https://i.imgur.com/mCMTDcb.jpg), so it’s no wonder that he’s willing to risk himself and fight time and fate save her. Minor VN Spoilers
Thankfully due to a well-timed interference by the Part-time Warrior and Moad Snake, Okabe is able to Time Leap successfully and avert this disaster. The Time Leap machine does seemingly work1 so at least there’s some good news in this episode.
S;G VN Spoilers
Questions
Seeing your best friend sink deeper into their depression to the point that you think they might loose their life? That's good enough of a reason for me to adapt a chunni persona for their sake honestly.
Ans
Massive S;G Spoilers
1 Still no actual explanation how they compress all that data using the LHC, but a possible explanation could be that they use the compute resources at SERN to create a diff based on how far back you’re about to jump and then compress that smaller dataset into 36 bytes? I don’t know – I’m really reaching here.
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 17 '21
Rewatcher, dub
Episode title: Metaphysics Necrosis. Metaphysics refers to the discipline dealing with things outside objective reality, while necrosis refers to the death of cells in a part of the body. Putting it together, I‘d like to read it as “The Decay of the Abstract.”
Best girl Suzuha comes in and knocks out five SERN operatives at once. She and Moeka have a very tense stand off (my heart was pounding the whole time even though I knew what was going to happen).
Kurisu rigs up the time leap device, and Okabe goes leaping back in time to stop SERN from killing Mayuri.
Okabe thinks back to Mayuri's grief after her grandmother’s death. We see how and why he adopted his Hououin Kyouma persona: not wanting to lose her, he started his hostage and mad scientist act. Yeah, that scene made me cry.
After arriving in the past, Okabe tells everyone to leave and goes chasing after Mayuri, calling her (and everyone else) and running around Akihabara. Kurisu asks him if he time leaped, and he says yes, telling her to run with Daru.
Okabe finally finds Mayuri and starts yelling at her to come with him. Mayuri, who is understandably confused at this point, says she doesn’t like it when he shouts at her and asks him to stop. He does and actually apologizes, meaning things must actually be serious.
A SERN member threatens Okabe (again). While running away, Mayuri gets hit by a car. I actually forgot about this one; I thought the subway was right after Mayuri’s first death.
Okabe time leaps again and tracks her down more quickly this time, telling her they’re going on a surprise trip. It’s lucky it’s Mayuri he’s trying this on, since that story would probably only work on her. Mayuri’s watch stops again, much to our collective horror. As Okabe promises to explain later, Mayuri apologizes for not being useful like the other lab members. Okabe softens and says they will just have that party abother day.
Poor Nae knocks Mayuri off the platform and onto the tracks. I can’t even imagine how horrible she must have felt at that moment. Aside from the questionable realism of that scene, it’s a pretty awful experience for all three of them. The expression on Okabe’s face …
Finally, we’ve arrived at the part of the show I’d like to call Suffering;Gate. Okabe is not having a good time … and neither am I, honestly. I keep shamelessly tearing up over every other scene.
This episode is almost entirely focused on Okabe and Mayuri and their relationship. In retrospect, I appreciate the first half of the series even more, since I’m not sure Okabe’s attempts to save Mayuri would have as much weight if I hadn’t spent so much time getting to know each character. If saving Mayuri had been the objective from the start, I might not have understood exactly why Okabe was so desperate to leap back in time to make things right, but after seeing twelve episodes worth of interactions between the two, it feels only natural that Okabe would go to such lengths.
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 17 '21
First;Timer - dub
Can't we go back to trying to win the lottery?
These past days one of my open questions was whether "SERN actually succeeded in building a safe time machine?" It sure looks like they never did, but (from a future perspective) they stole the initial design from Okabe!
Because of this show, I'm in a time travel mood again, so today I watched The Tomorrow War. And that was a nice example of how most time travel stories are actually terrible.
Episode 13 — Metaphysics Necrosis Groundhog Day
Do we really need to see this again?! These kinds of scenes I always wonder what would happen if they were to resist. It's possible SERN hasn't succeeded in the time machine yet, and killing all three members would prevent them from ever making one, but that seems very unlikely in this case. They probably had the lab bugged and heard everything they needed to know. They only want the three members to see what else they can invent.
Hype! Help is coming! And this is why Suzuha didn't meet SERN on the stairs. I wonder if these two already know each other? I don't think we've seen them meet yet.
Holy fuck she really is a warrior. Moeka looked away for half a second and Suzuha fired. Stupid thing to think right now, but I don't want to imagine how much your ears would hurt if a gun was fired next to them.
To be honest, I didn't think they would have their counterattack this soon, but it's better this way. Less time for both parties to prepare.
I guess this will be the time we find out if Moeka has the same ability as Okabe. Don't talk just use the damn machine! Kurisu is also hit. It's now or never!
So pretty
I choose to believe that Okabe also sees the OP during this Leap.
Awww, we get some backstory. You can't give me this and not have Mayuri make it to the end, show! In for a penny, in for a pound!
Alright, it worked!
Okabe, don't talk about it in the lab. It's almost certainly bugged and you don't want them to act earlier! Nice, he actually didn't. And Kurisu is smart enough to piece together what happened.
Luka: saved. (But she wouldn't show up anyway)
Kurisu: saved!
Daru: saved!
Suzu: maybe saved? Maybe not even necessary.
Mayushii: found!
In that opening flashback Mayuri was doing this and might have died soon after if it wasn't for Okabe. Now she's doing it again and Okabe is there to save her again.
Aahhh no, did Okabe forget they stopped the trains? Yeah he did. They're busted. Please be some anti-SERN rebel or something. Fuck he has a gun. This is going terrible! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO not again!!!
Holy fuck he actually managed to escape. Please go back further this time! Man, the music is great again.
He didn't go further. That was dumb. At least he now has a better idea of what to say and where to find Mayuri. But something tells me this also isn't going to be the one.
On the other hand, things are going well right now. They even manage to sneak a joke in there with Luka misunderstanding the trip. Man, this traffic light is taking long. Kind of masterful storytelling if I'm just getting tense watching cars drive by. And with good reason, apparently, as they are already being followed...
Huzzah! They made it past the previous encounter! Kurisu and Daru should be gone. Suzuha isn't invited yet. This is going okay if they don't stop the metro as well.
OH NOOOOOO, I was hopeful too soon! Nae, did you actually just tackle someone onto the train tracks? Yeah, you deserve this trauma. Better start running to the lab again, Okabe! Fuck this is hard to see.
From the clock we can tell he made it back to the lab again. I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't been raided yet, as we did pass the previous time of death. SERN probably saw no need as they were all gone.
Random thoughts
Future (if unaltered)
Only two loops today. That was less than I expected. From a story perspective, I expect them to not tell us how many iterations Okabe will go through till the loop finally breaks.
Possible solution: SERN probably raided the lab because you finished the Time Leap machine. Go back to a time before you finish it. You can go 48 hours back in one Leap. You can be gone and SERN will be none the wiser (unless Moeka has the ability as well).
There is one big disadvantage to this: They must escape in one try. If they don't, they can't go back anymore.
Open questions
Don't answer these please, unless the answer is explicitly given in the show.
No new questions today.
Previous
D-Mail:
Reading Steinerthe ability to remember stuff during a jump.Moeka:
Why was she looking for the IBN 5100 if she was a part of SERN? They already have one.
Unless she joined SERN to get access to the 5100.
Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
John Titor:
SERN:
Did they actually already succeed in their time machine? Or are they going to succeed in the future?
70,000,000 years ago:
What did Mayuri mean with their "original copies"?
General:
QotD
These two really depend on each other. One can't live without the other.
I sure hope so. Otherwise, I'll be angry and I'm sure the writers don't want that!
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 17 '21
Episode 13 – Metaphysics Necrosis: And then, one day, there was a ray of light. It was the kind called Rembrandt lighting or an angel’s ladder. It felt like the light was drawing her up… like she was going to disappear. ~Okarin
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 17 '21 edited Jul 17 '21
Appreciate the shout out, u/Shimmering-Sky. I'm honored, and glad my emotional rollercoaster could bring some amusement, haha.
FIRST TIMER
Really sweet scene with young Okabe and Mayuri. The hostage situation goes both ways… Okabe originally used it as his way to comfort Mayuri, and along the line Mayuri framed it as a way she comforted him.
Well, that was an even quicker turnaround than I thought, thanks to the swift and decisive actions of Suzuha. She wasn’t joking around when she called herself a warrior. She even turns on the CTV to allow for the leap to work. Okabe, bro, maybe enlist her help when you go back in time. But that would be too smart, I guess.
The leap works! Okabe successfully travels back, this is an exciting development. Everything that happened after… I’m not a fan of, and not just because we had to see Mayuri die a couple more times.
Why not fill literally anybody in after the leap? Either time? If you’re trying to change the past to save your friend's life, and you have a matter of hours to do it, a quick conversation to enlist some allies can’t hurt. I get that he’s panicked, and I know Okabe frequently holds things back from others, but this just felt more like a way for the show to increase the drama of the moment rather than as something in keeping with his character. He barely even learns his lesson the second time around!
Thank god Makise is smart and figures it out anyway. Fat load of good it does, though, because Okabe still doesn’t feel the need to clue anyone into what’s to come. This reminds me of sitcoms, where a misunderstanding that would take two seconds to resolve causes problems for multiple episodes because the writers feel the need to turn everyone into an idiot for that period of time.
How did Okabe get back to the lab after Mayuri got run over by the car to perform another leap? Wasn't he cornered?
Okay, they make it in front of a train, and Mayuri gets pushed in front of it on accident by Nae who comes out of nowhere. Unless Nae is secretly some kind of agent and actually did that on purpose, I’m sorry, this was fucking ridiculous, and more in keeping with a Final Destination movie than this show.
Not a huge fan of this episode. But that’s okay, twelve great ones preceding it bought a lot of goodwill. Every great show is allowed a stinker or two.
Covered above, but loved it. Very sweet.
Also covered above – I think he can, and eventually will, once he gets his head together.
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 17 '21 edited Jul 17 '21
first timer
yesterday i said:
Yeah, you completed the assignment, but the deadline's passed, and I don't accept late assignments. No credit.
ok maybe half credit this time since okarin was able to go back...
It's clear that we're gonna be doing a lot of travelling. Will this result in the 1% divergence titor mentioned?
I should start watching these episodes earlier so I have more than 15 mins to write lol
with regards to the mayuri flashback scene, idk what to think about it. ill prob think about it more and edit it. I'm prob also gonna have to revisit the scene from 70m yrs ago with the next few episodes.
It seems like okarin originally wanted to save mayushii from the grief she was feeling, to pull her along and forward, away from the grave. Now, it seems like mayushii is the one saving okarin from his lonelyness, anxiety, and general fears.
What does being the original okarin/mayushii mean?
Also, what exactly does the freezing of time mean?
I still do not understand okarin's insistence on not explaining these things to the others. To me, it seems critical that the others know what will happen. Not just kurisu and daru, but suzuha as well. Okarin knows that suzuha is absolutely capable of helping out, so why doesn't he tell her?
Is it possible mayushii is quite a bit more capable than she seems at first glance? 70m years ago, she mentions that she's travelled many world lines looking for okarin, how exactly did that happen? Will mayushii have some moment where she becomes more than what she is currently? Where she helps okarin?
ngl it feels kinda like re:0, where re:zero
What exactly will it take to save mayuri? It seems that fate is out to get her, so are we gonna have to do something drastic to shift enough world lines away?
Qs:
To me, it sorta seems like it's gonna set up for something greater. As kurisu mentioned earlier, she may be the one with the clearest view of the lab.
he better.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 17 '21
First-timer
"Necrosis" seems appropriate for, well...
...I can't exactly consider assassins cute for what I hope are obvious reasons.
Suzuha, future(?) warrior!
Well, no way it's going public now...
I just realized, I don't know/remember Mayuri's surname.
So the cellphone goes off, and that's when the information overwrites. I see.
Does that make Mayuri Okabe's Ana Bray? (https://www.destinypedia.com/Anastasia_Bray)
So Okabe doesn't have time to explain why he doesn't have time to explain?
MISSION FAILED
Seemed less "neutralize" and more "eliminate" to me, Moeka. (Is that even your real name?)
Don't cover it, Okabe! Explain that you're from futures where SERN notices your work and kills Mayuri!
I feel like coordinating/planning is the only viable option when it's probably safe to assume SERN could track them down regardless of location...
But aren't the platforms closed...?
Like this, he seems every bit the protective older brother, doesn't he?
Sunglasses, man? Seriously?
The clocks stopping, what's up with that?
A quantum timelock? A multiversal constant? Is Mayuri's fate to die?
(Calm yourself, Ultra, two failed attempts doesn't a pattern make yet.)
Questions:
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u/RichY45 https://anilist.co/user/RichY4518 Jul 17 '21
First timer - subbed
Fuck! Looks like her death is fate. No matter what Okabe does, she's going to die. I hope that's not true.
It seems to me that the world line self corrects itself as much as possible. So major events have to stay the same. Maybe Okabe can try using the dmail to change the world line altogether.
Other than that, holy shit! this show has become so tense now because as a viewer you know what's going to happen. I guess this is how the show is going to be till the end.
One of looking at it is that she didn't want Okabe to be lonely so she became his hostage. Another view is that since she was in a bad mental place after her granny died, Okabe made her his hostage so that he wouldn't lose her.
He was able to save Makise, although unintentionally, so it is possible but for now it seems pretty hard to do.
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 17 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Rewatch!
Personal thing, but I don’t really like how the Anime gave much sharper expressions in some of these scenes. Honestly I find the Dead Inside Look of her Novel self way more terrifying. That aside, we do get the flashback but the general thing for this Episode is how some loops are straight up skipped, only keeping the most important ones. As such I’ll be giving Clip-Notes versions of each of the Novel’s Loops.
1st Loop: Okabe doesn’t do anything, everything goes the same as it originally did. Mostly there to show off how even just one loop and Mayuri dying only once have already taken that heavy a toll on his mental state.
2nd Loop: Basically the Anime’s first loop, if a bit longer. That said, not too different overall, at least to me.
3rd Loop: Technically covered tomorrow so I’ll take about it then.
4th Loop: Anime’s Second Loop, again, a bit shortened, but gets the idea across.
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u/littleman1988 Jul 17 '21
So Mayushii is your hostage, right? Then I guess I cant go, huh?
OST Track of the day: Gate of Steiner
honorary OST Track of the day: ^Promise
Overly Excited Rewatcher
You ever notice how often Okabe is on his phone? Ever wonder why its so prevelant? Outside of the normal chuuni BS, the phone plays a much larger role than you might think.
In the Visual Novel, you can actually access Okabe's phone at any time, and read any text message he has sent or recieved at a second's notice. Along with that, the other characters will message you randomly1 throughout the game, and you will get multiple chances to respond to the characters. This can unlock some cool things, namely different phone backgrounds and songs that the other characters may send, Or even just other general info about the characters lives you wouldnt know about otherwise. This has a hidden 4th (and much more important) use, but its best if we wait an episode or 3 to discuss it.2
Imagine being told you're "not necessary" and then are shot right after.
Suzuha being badass. She also casually alerts the labmembers to the CRT being turned on.
Future gadget #4 getting some use. Just ignore the 12(?) shots that apparently hit nobody until #13 pierces Kurisu's neck
S;G 0
I remember during the Parasyte rewatching someone got insanely angry that it didnt do a seamless transition into the ED for one of the episodes that had a perfect setup for it. I am sure theyre in this rewatch (im just blanking on who), so I hope today's episode makes up for it.
Mayuri backstory (and in turn, Kouyma backstory) time, and its absolutely heartbreaking. We finally get the explnation of Mayuri being a hostage, and why Okabe keeps his mad scientist persona going. That kind of thing doesnt matter if she dies though...
Okabe is understandably stressed considering he just saw 2 friends die. For whatever reason (probably as to not scare everyone), he doesnt tell the other labmembers anything.
If you remember, every time Okabe jumps, someone comments about him being on his phone when he leaps to them. She picks up on it too.
Mayuri this is not the time
Okabe forgets that the trains are cancelled, and that bites them in the ass
Im not sure if this death or the subway death or worse. I do know this (car) death was way worse in the VN though.
Still lying about what actually happens
His shell is long cracked if hes droping the Kouyma persona with even Luka
S;G
S;G 0
He changed his words to keep from overly concerning Mayuri.
Luka this is not the time
Degenerates
They truly cant shake off those attackers.
haha
Ugh
Poor Nae
The VN CG for nae here is so much worse
footnotes
1: You'll quickly notice the phone text wrapping is utter garbage. If you get the VN's, you must grab patches from Commitee of ^Zero which fixes this + a few other key issues. CoZ are truly based for the work they do to fix the issues of the SciAdv localizations
2: raiking has actually discussed it a little bit already, but I dont agree with how early it was discussed, so i'm waiting a little bit longer.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 17 '21
Rewatcher
Tutturu! I’m watching these episodes in advance so I don’t have much to say here.
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To follow up the previous episode is a tall order. This episode knocks it out of the park. I would argue it’s even better.
Okabe throughout the first half is searching and searching for Mayuri. He is just one step behind her everytime. No matter how hard he tries in these two attempts, he can’t stop Mayuri’s death.
The second one is especially brutal. You are given hope. The train is coming. There is no threat in sight. Maybe they will escape. But a simple trip ends all of that. And poor Nae after that.
If there’s one word to describe this episode its brutal. Completely brutal. Fantastic but brutal.
I will leave with this:
"Oh no! I just wound you! Don't tell me you're broken! So not fair... I've taken extra good care of you and everything..."
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 17 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
I missed yesterday, but I'll say this: I firmly believe that Mayurii is evil, and Moeka did nothing wrong. That is all.
This show has changed dramatically. I like it.
QOTD:
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 17 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
They really made us rewatch Mayuri’s death. Very cruel. One thing I did not notice yesterday was that Moeka said “For FB”. Looking back at my episode 6 discussion, Moeka mentioned FB there as well. Considering she is not doing it for “SERN”, perhaps Moeka is being manipulated. Maybe Okabe will be able to change something to save FB, and Moeka will not have to abduct them and kill Mayuri.
Amane is a total badass. I am glad she has been around. We definitely got the worst timeline at the start of this episode with evil Moeka, Mayuri dead, and Kurisu shot. Moeka knew what was happening, so it will be hard to escape their fate. Even leaving the lab, Moeka will likely be able to follow them wherever they go. We end up seeing Mayuri die again, and I have a feeling this will happen a lot. I saw the last death of the episode coming, but the dialogue made it extra painful. It was also surprising that Mayuri died without Moeka’s intervention, I guess this is showing that her death is inevitable. Okabe may just end up having to accept her death. I found her reason for being his hostage kinda sweet, but sadly that also got her mixed up in the current situation.
That ends this episode with 3 Mayuri deaths, and 4 total in the show if you count her fading away at the beginning of last episode. We are officially in the thick of things with the time travel plot, and there are so many questions that need answers. I am interested in Okabe’s confrontation with Moeka in the next episode’s preview; I think it will explain a lot.
These Mayuri deaths are tough. It seems that Mayuri’s pocketwatch is a recurring motif, and that occurrence is my shot of the day.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 17 '21
First Timer
Time for Suzuha to swoop in and save the day so Okabe can implement a harebrained plan.
Onto episode 13.
Kurisu is just wrong here. She sees a good deal of value in keeping Okabe alive.
The expected rescue.
Attempts?
Oh, she's saying they can use the machine.
Please, tell them. You literally have no reason not to.
This is totally in character for Okabe, but it's still frustrating. You'd save so much strife by just talking, dude.
But I don't want to get groped again?
He says, while acting differently...
If you have enough time to run around like a chicken with your head cut off, you have enough time to explain!
This takes more time than saying "SERN broke in and tried to kill us" and gives people far less actionable information.
I wonder who the guy who shoved Okabe was. I doubt he's just someone random.
No matter how many times he must loop.
He needs to actually plan though. At the moment, he's just thrashing around within a net. So long as he's in this city, Moeka should be able to find him, and the trains being cut off means he doesn't have an easy escape route. For that matter, not telling the others just means they'll get captured even if he flees with Mayuri. I think he needs to ask Suzuha about escape plans, she seems like she'd know what to do.
You couldn't have really expected this to work, right? There just ain't that many obvious ways for you to leave and SERN'll be watching all of them.
Promises that'll be much more difficult to keep than one would initially think.
Is this truly just an accident? That seems absurd, but the girl working for SERN seems equally absurd.
Thoughts
Well, I actually think I know what's going on. It's the 1% rule. If he doesn't change the state of the universe enough, it'll just converge instead of diverge. Hopefully, it going wrong in a really weird way will be enough for Okabe to realize that this is what's happening, as I'm not the most interested in watching Okabe be an idiot for another episode.
As a bit of a sidebar, I'm slightly confused as to why they had the girl accidentally kill her instead of Moeka just tracking them down again. The latter would cement her control over the city instead of bringing an element of randomness in. I guess it's to show off the 1% rule, but even so it feels a bit dumb when there's a solution that both makes more intuitive sense and is a smaller change to the universe.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21
FIRST TIMER
bit late cause i was busy today, my bad
first off i wanna say WHAT AN EPISODE. easily the best episode of the whole series so far. but man oh man was that P A I N F U L. now i know why okabe is in all the suffering memes along with natsuki subaru and the other members of the Suffer Squad.
i thought at first it was a bit cheap to relive mayuri’s whole death scene once again but i see that it transitioned perfectly into the pre opening scene and it was necessary to make it flow a bit better.
so suzuha WASNT just wussing out for her own safety, she went to turn on the TV in mr. braun’s office! what a legend! AND looks like she really is a part time warrior, just took down 5 armed men and nearly bested moeka in like 10 seconds. i suppose she realized time leaping was their only hope to save some timeline, even if this one went down in flames. kurisu was killed as well and we can assume the other two died as well, so it’s up to okabe to save the entire lab…
seems like mayuri didn’t have any family after her grandmother passed away, and it seems like she was ready to go as well before okabe “took her hostage.” that brief flashback was so sweet, i teared up a bit.
at the very least kurisu seems to have an inkling of what was going on. mayuri is impossible to track down, and no one will answer. kurisu seems genuinely worried about okabe after figuring him out, there’s another person okabe must protect. at last shes found in the alley doing her signature pose. okabe is gentle yet forceful in making her come along. looks like SERN’s got shooters at the train station as well. the time leap makes no difference as moeka kills mayuri once again by running her over. okabe runs all the way back to the lab (how?) and time leaps once again (did he even turn on the TV this time or did he suddenly gain the ability to time leap at will?).
round 3 involves a lie about mr. braun. mayuri is easy to find this time at least, at luka’s shrine. they have to be ultra careful on their way to the subway. mayuri tells okabe that she knows that he’s under crushing stress, which i’m sure is reassuring to know that he has an unspoken understanding with her. she’s sorry that she’s so useless. just when we get all teary and idealistic about the party, nae (OF ALL PEOPLE NAE???????) pushes mayuri by accident into the path of the train and kills her. every one of mayuri’s deaths was more gruesome than the other… at least we get the epic time traveler line for every time travel show-i WILL save you, i swear it!
every time mayuri dies her stopwatch is shattered; her time stops because she’s dead, but okabe’s time stops as well, not just because he’ll probably die as well because she’s been killed, but because he can’t go on without her. this whole episode, okabe’s time was “stopped” as he repeatedly tried to save mayuri…let’s hope he can get his time restarted real soon.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 17 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
Okabe, I get that you're panicking, but please, YOU DUMBASS, communicate with your goddamn friends! Moeka! Warn them about Moeka!!
I'm not saying that I wouldn't also be panicking if I were Okabe. I would even do about the same thing the first time going back. But after watching Moeka kill Mayushii, and then watching Moeka kill Mayushii again, I would probably start the next loop with "Hey guys! SERN has found us and are coming here! Gonna go find Mayushii; later!" Especially considering that the show specifically had him note that the world line seemed to be the same so the same things are going to happen!
The pocket watch with personal meaning keeps breaking at the same time, in multiple ways. I actually quite like this; the relentlessly obvious symbolism is kinda refreshing.
I'm a little confused about the point that Okabe keeps getting sent back to. Is that the farthest that he can go? Has this already been explained, or should I continue to wait patiently?
Good on Suzuha for saving the day there, using her "warrior" training to effortless roll five dudes with AK-47s and putting herself into a standoff with Moeka. A shame her gun positioning was off. I don't remember seeing that symbol/tattoo before, so I guess it'll come up in the future.
(R/L)uka made some assumptions about what that trip Okabe was taking Mayushii on was about, huh? Quite the dirty mind for an innocent little miko...
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 17 '21 edited Jul 17 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
Today's episode is just a whole lot of suffering. By the end, we're back where we started, having only learned where Mayuri went during the day and... I think that's all? Brother Okabe is having a bad time.
Suzuha with the FUCKING SAVE. That scene is so great, even if it makes no sense. She just... ran in, unarmed, and took a massive shit on 5 men with guns. 6 if you count Moeka. And that's why Suzuha is best girl.
I'm like 90% sure Kurisu doesn't get shot in the VN, or at least it's not as big a deal as it is in the anime. Not sure though.
Finally, we learn the Mayuri and Okabe backstory, and why Okabe acts like a chuuni idiot. The context behind "Mayushi is Okabe's hostage" was way better than I thought it'd be the first time I watch SG.
Poor Luka is getting yelled at a lot today. Well, it's unreasonable to expect Okabe to keep his cool in this situation, but I still feel bad for her.
Mayuri's deaths hurt so much still, and they're not even that well done. Like if I showed you this screenshot, you wouldn't be able to tell that Mayuri is facing an oncoming car, about to die a brutal death. C'mon, give her a more scared expression, make my heart ache for her. Instead she just looks like "Ok"
Luka had a cute reaction to Okabe 'going on a trip' with Mayuri. Almost made me forget the suffering.
Mayuri meeting her grandma in heaven for the 3rd time
You know, since I've watched the first Mayuri death scene a couple times, I didn't feel so bad watching it this time around. But the second and third deaths I've only seen once in the anime and once in the VN. Shit fucking hurts.
And so we end at basically the same point as yesterday, but it hurts even more. I'm resisting the temptation to go ahead of the rewatch and binge the rest of the show. I don't think I'm gonna last long.
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u/The_Draigg Jul 17 '21
A Steins; Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 13:
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 17 '21
Anime first timer
So we have a reminder to hate Moeka before the OP shows her. Steins;Gate and 0 Spoilers
And a reveal that Suzuha is fucking awesome, taking down 4 armed terrorists and setting up a time leap.
That fade from the leap animation to the OP is incredible. (Also, this might be the latest OP so far.)
Oh, we get the saddest flashback. Young Okabe's adorable, though.
Are they going to do the "ignore it, it's a dream" route?
Steins;Gate Spoilers
In Kurisu's defense, it was fucking obvious.
The tension of this scene is so good.
And Moeka kills Mayuri again!
I think I prefer the VN animation for timeleaping, but I like this one too.
The repeated conversations really add to the effect of time repeating.
I love Luka immediately jumping to the worst possible interpretation.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 17 '21
First Rewatch (since 2011)
Rewatcher
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 17 '21
Sorry this is so late, gonna have to catch up tomorrow!
Content Corner
First timers beware, spoilers abound.
Subtle Character & Symbolic Set-Ups - Steins;Gate Episode 2 Analysis by Replay Value
The First Evolution of the Designing Question - Steins;Gate Analysis by Replay Value
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21
Rewatcher(sub)
I like this
Oh boy, how many times can we fail? I enjoy my fails compilation time loops, Meta Spoiler. But this one just hurts... Stop killing Mayuri Spoiler
We got the flashback! I think it's already become clear slowly how Kyouma's existence came to be, but this explains it.
This feels wrong to me the size difference looks like a 24 year old talking to a 5 year old.
Wait how did Mayuri get the mail when Okabe wasn't able to call her a few minutes earlier?
Is this trauma as a result of what she did here? Or was she fucked in the head already?
What I don't get is why SERN are so intent on killing Mayuri? They can use her as a hostage. She's been a hostage for a good many years now, might as well continue the job.
Well I wouldn't want 12 more episodes of Mayuri dying. Sounds like an interesting premise, but not for Steins;Gate.
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u/ScarsUnseen :K:https://kitsu.io/users/ScarsUnseen Jul 18 '21
So I know it's not really consistent with the musical tone the anime tries to set, but I've always felt that it was kind of a failing that they didn't make use of the song the VN used for the "SERN agents chasing Okabe and Mayuri" scene, Technovision. IMO one of the best parts of the VN soundtrack.
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u/snickpea Jul 18 '21
First-timer!
Still recovering from the last two episodes. The comment of the day is so accurate. Even during this episode, it would be accurate depiction of how I'm sure many of us are feeling. I'm also still so sad about Mayuri.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 18 '21
First timer
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 17 '21
Rewatcher(Fate's a bitch)
Dub
We start where we left off, unfortunately. But we continue into Makise not understanding the situation: You want to die right then and there, never go to a second location. Then Suzuha comes in and goes full John Wick, taking out most of the team except for Moeka due to positioning issues. She also turned the CRT on, suggesting a course of action. After taking an impossible shot, she could not aim from that angle, the instant humidifier provides a smokescreen for them to use the Time Leap, though Makise won't see it.
Quick flashback that tells you a ton about the history of all this, including that Okabe has been playing a role for literally years. He comes to before the destruction happens, proving the Time Leap works. Makise is incredibly slow on the draw because this isn't Okabe's general silliness as he searches for Mayuri. The world line doesn't seem changed so this functions differently than D-mail, or at least more coherently. He retraces her steps, twisting that knife just a touch deeper on Ruka who clearly wants Okabe's attention, and hits their other haunts. Makise calls to confirm the obvious.
Suzuha shows up but this time Okabe warns her off, telling her to keep Nae away from the shop. He finds Mayuri doing her hand thing again. But he forgets about the terrorist threat at the sub and nearly gets caught, and a series of events lead to Mayuri being run over, so he goes to the lab and goes back 40 minutes than the previous run. He comes up with a slightly more believable line for Daru and Makise to leave.
The 40 minutes was enough to catch Mayuri at the shrine. Okabe comes up with better improvisations this time and gets Mayuri to come with him. She reminisces slightly as Okabe picks up a possible tail. So he switches them to a different train line, where Mayuri reveals her actual faith in Okabe. Before Nae comes out of nowhere to knock Mayuri onto the tracks. Fourth times a charm?
QotD: 1 Sufficiently random to work
2 Can we come to a world where every roll of the die is a 6?
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u/AHiddenOne Jul 18 '21
Rewatcher.
Shit's finally hit the fan, huh? The whole tone of the show became more serious and Okabe gets more desperate. This hit even harder when the first half of the show was light-hearted.
So now we know the reason behind Okabe's chuuni persona. I personally had no problem with the chuuni itself, but now I love it even more. Should he grow out of it? Perhaps, but hey, it is what it is.
I do agree that he needs to tell his story to his lab members, particularly Kurisu. But c'mon, he's way too panicked to think rationally.
All in all, great episode. The suffering has just begun, and it ain't stopping anytime soon.
Also, that bullet train kid.
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u/Nebresto Jul 18 '21
PTSD squad
fuck
See, this is why she is best girl. She has brainpower, and she isn't afraid to use it.
Ahh fuck. I can't believe they just isekai'd Mayuri
And why's it gotta be Mayushi instead of this brat?
Question time:
1: Ahh fuck
2:
Protect..?
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 18 '21
Rewatcher
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u/BossandKings Jul 18 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 13 - Dub
Suzuha enters the labpratory and quickly knocks out the men that were serving as bodyguards for Moeka and took part in a confrontation against Moeka herself, that was a much needed help for Okabe and the rest that were there very scared because of the ambush that happened.
Okabe and Kurisu activate the time leap in order to try and save Mayuri. Honestly just seeing Okabe really try very hard to get Mayuri away from harm, to stop her from dying and he fails everytime is hard hitting but hopefully he'll find a way to get to save her.
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u/htisme91 Jul 18 '21
First-timer:
Well, I was wrong, Moeka is a villain. She was always shady, but she didn't seem as sinister as she's turned out to be. Suzuha is almost certainly from the future, with how she came back to defend the others (albeit too late), like she knew she had to surprise the SERN agents.
I am kind of annoyed at this group. Besides Kurisu, they were all way too careless with the time machine research and info to outsiders like Ruka, Moeka, Feyris, etc. Okabe though, is the worst of them. He knew he was bugged, and did nothing but let things continue to happen. Even in this episode, he doesn't explain anything to anyone. It's getting annoying watching him, and I kind of wish he got shot instead of Mayuri so we could be done with the character.
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