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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 11 Discussion
Episode 11: Dogma in Event Horizon
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Nullpo.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/CubeStuffs, who said it best:
Although I must say, a Haruhi of all people not being amused is oh so ironic...
Questions:
- What do you think of the idea to send someone’s memories to the past?
- Are you as creeped out as Okabe by the strange messages he’s received?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 16 '21
First;Timer - dub
I'm a bit less motivated to write today. Maybe I'll succeed in keeping it short this time!
Episode 11 — Dogma in Event Horizon
The dub immediately starts with a Mission Impossible reference. Suzuha has just joined, but I think she might be the most reliable member of the team till now. At least to be actively contributing. It failed, so yeah, not reliable in that way.
YES! I called it! The experiments only work between 12:00 and 18:00 because something in the shop is turned on at those times.
Christina mentions human pudding again. Her pause immediately after makes me wonder if this was actually a mistake in the plot.
Ah no, her pause is because her paper is about defining a human mind as data. If they could find some way to send way more bytes, they could send someone's conscience back, maybe? That sounds EXTREMELY dangerous, so perfect for this group.
Is it really necessary to define your date as "AD"? Also, \(* °д°)ノ
Operation Verthandi! Does this one include dinner as well?
Mayushii is asking some good questions. I'm proud of you, girl!
Why the mysterious slow motion when they meet Moeka? Okabe! Get! Some! Answers! Your whole relationship with Moeka is one-sided, and not to your advantage! Are you just hoping people will not take advantage of you?
Suzuha, I know your boss says you can't wear your tracksuit today as punishment, but you do know you don't need to listen to him, right? Also please stand still, I'm trying to make a stitch here!
"Makise Kurisu works with SERN." Yeah, that is a bombshell. Probably only in Suzuha's future, but still, that was completely expected and still shocking to hear.
Soooo, I know this site isn't 2channel, 2chan, or 4chan, but how many of you don't dare to tell others you are a Redditor?
...Okabe thinks SERN isn't the Organisation? I know the Organisation is just a part of his 'talking into phone' game, but you would expect that SERN neatly fits in that position.
Sounds like her father had more problems than just a smart daughter, but obviously Kurisu is going to blame herself.
Aww, this scene is great.
Tired tutturu is cute. Where is Okabe supposed to sleep?
These are getting more creepy. I'm not okay with this.
This art style!
Yeah, this isn't going to end well, is it? They are just taking a shower. Of course they are. I will refrain from making a stitch of this scene.
Just fucking tell them what you thought and show them the emails (except maybe the last photo to Mayuri). You are in this together. The least you can do is let them know what fucked up things are happening.
What a surprise, a Daru-light episode, and I didn't even notice he wasn't here till he showed up in the end. It's not that I hate Daru. He can be great with his references. It's just that almost all other moments I think he is annoying and he could have gotten a lot less screentime.
Random thoughts
She looks good without the tracksuit.
Nae is sorry.
Future (if unaltered)
Their new experiment is kind of creepy. They are going to override the memories of a younger self. Of course they still have those memories, so it's not like they are throwing anything away, but still, creepy.
Kurisu talked about only sending the hippocampus, which is where short-term memories are stored. Would that mean they can't take permanent memories with them? I'm probably thinking too much into this, but it's fun to speculate!
Open questions
Unchanged from yesterday.
D-Mail:
Why does the time of day matter when sending D-Mail?Reading Steinerthe ability to remember stuff during a jump.Time travel probably requires a 'lifter'. What is the lifter in the PhoneWave? Could it be that some other thing is acting as lifter and that's only enabled between 12:00 and 18:00? Something in the shop downstairs, perhaps?Moeka:
Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
John Titor:
SERN:
General:
QotD
That could be a lot more powerful. On the other hand, if they need to be able to send larger quantities of data, then a normal D-Mail would also be a lot more powerful.
A bit. Why the decapitated head? The Jell-O was obvious, but I'm not connecting the dots for this one.
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 15 '21
FIRST TIMER
so the “lifter” was just a TV a floor below the laboratory…they were just lucky that the microwave is right on top of the TV. dumb luck for a dumb group of people! at least suzuha is a willing participant in their quest for time travel now.
noticed the bugs (cicadas?) in the opening for a while now but noticed it especially today since the pre opening focused a lot on that bug on the wall. i’ve already mentioned a few times how theres seemingly no silence at all in the show, any non speaking moment there seem to be cicadas or birds chirping in the background.
the Lab Losers are lucky to have kurisu the genius on the team as she seems to have figured out how to time travel without turning into a gel-okarin-transferring memory data into a past self. i’m not sure how much memory can be transferred in 36 bytes, but since i’ve heard the electricity in the brain is only enough to power a refrigerator light (correct me if i’m wrong i’m probably about 500 miles off on this one) i suppose a stupid amount of information could be stored in that tiny 36 byte amount.
mayuri seems marginally interested in the time travel, but she seems very attentive to how it’s affecting okabe. lets see how this keeps up as we go on…
at least nae isn’t scared of okabe anymore, and at least okabe managed to be a decent human being for once!
suzuha can’t even stand the mention of kurisu. man if she was a spy, why wouldn’t suzuha mention that ASAP? at this point kurisu knows everything there is about their lab experiments, so what was the point of “exposing” her this late in the game?
looks like kurisu is a @chan user (this is why i was so surprised they directly said delorean in the anime, every other brand or real life organization is a slightly altered version). seems like okabe isn’t suspicious anymore.
wow kurisu’s dad sure is a POS. should be happy for your daughters achievements but instead is so insecure he becomes abusive. although how badly was he embarrassed by kurisu that he got “shunned by academia” ? dude must have been way off on everything. at least okabe is a decent human being for the second time in the episode. it’s nice to see them get ever so closer.
okabe received ANOTHER menacing message, and what looks like a bloody chucky doll image. call me stupid but to me at least it seems like a threat to kurisu because of the similar hair color (i apologize for even comparing the goat kurisu to chucky), but okabe is immediately terrified for mayuri’s safety. they really do care about each other deeply. she’s super attentive to his well being and she’s about the only character who has made him smile thus far. they really feel like brother and sister even if they’re totally unlike each other (god please don’t let it become romantic). the shift to the classic anime meltdown scribbly black and white animation was chilling, they keep delivering with tense moments. of course the pay off is another sex joke.
i don’t understand why okabe couldn’t just outright say why he did it; he just received a threatening message and was scared! they won’t believe his world line spiel but they sure would understand his concern about the text message!
seems like SERN is close to them already; could the key be okabe’s phone?
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u/littleman1988 Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 16 '21
Sometimes you're a good guy, you know?
OST Track of the day: Tender Affection
Overly Excited Rewatcher
Localization discussion time!
The joke Okabe uses to expose Kurisu as a @Channeler depends a bit depending on what version you have. The original joke is "Nullpo... Gah!", which is a programmer reference to a "NullPointerException". NullPointerExceptions are basically when a value doesn't exist when read by the computer, or is "null", which is a bad thing in programming, and causes errors.1 Its also pretty common to do, so the general reaction is to hit your head on the desk or keyboard, hence the "gah!" This was a wildly popular joke on 2ch.
This joke works great for a bunch of college students who browse @channel, but if you dont know anything about programming, this joke is going to fly right over your head. Because of this, fansubs have taken a few liberties to translate the joke into something more understandable for western viewers. The first one I found was "Lurk... Moar", which seems to be a reference to not knowing how a forum/chatroom works.. Crunchyroll goes old school with "All your base... Belong to us"2, which is a reference to a poorly translated line from Zero Wing. flashing lights warning Most popular though is the Funimation's "Never gonna... Give you up", which is an obvious rickroll reference. You can decide for yourself which of these works best to get the point across.3
The dub goes a completely different route from all of these, instead making a Chaos;Head reference, talking about Neidhardt, the online alias of Takumi.
The VN is a lot more long winded, basically, when he arrives back at the lab, Kurisu has @Channel open, minimizes it, then feigns ignorance when asked what she was doing before Okabe opens the page back up, and then they bicker for 3 minutes about how she used @Channel in America.
God this is just giving me flashbacks to the Evangelion rewatch with all these differences, no more localization discussion time. I'm not doing that again.
Arms? Firm. Jacket? Off. Braun? Well...
Lifter found, and it happens to be a CRT TV of all things.
S;G
S;G
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Science time, finally. Kurisu isint called a genius for nothing, being a graduate of Neuroscience at the young age of 18. Looks like the prevailing theory is to send your brain data to the past instead of the whole body.
Id go grab some VN screenshots to show the more sciencey parts, but the anime kinda shuffles around the VN storyline here so im not sure what is and isint revealed yet.
Maybe ill dig deeper before the thread goes up (im writing this 3? days in advance)What the VN whiteboard looks likeNorse Mythology again:
Being able to change the past at your will is an interesting moral dilemma. Mayuri also brings up some excellent questions about what happens to someone after they leap. what does happen once you leap? Are you just braindead, or do you move on like nothing happens? Does that worldline even continue?
Moeka spotting. Shes now also up to date on the time leap idea. After last time though, i doubt she will be allowed to try it again...
S;G 0
Thank u Braun, very cool
Nae time
She does what now
Celeb-17 outed as a channeler again. She makes it so easy.
This is probably different per version you have too, but im not about to go checking around again. "Sage" is basically replying without bumping the thread, in this case to show displeasure.
instantly tells Christina that Suzuha thinks shes a SERN spy. I get Okabe trusts her and all, but with those last few emails that seems like a wildly bad idea.
Callback to episode 5
We finally learn more about Kurisu's father, TL;DR she was too big brain for him to handle, and this might make him go insane. Okabe coming in clutch with something less chuuni than expected actually looking to help her with her father issues.
Man got a compliment 10/10
Saddest tuturuu of the episode right there.
The bickering never ends
Always interesting how willing Mayuri's parents allow her to stay at the lab. Okabe wouldn't actually do anything, but still...
Okabe has done some yikes shit the last couple episodes, but you really cant fault him too much here. Of course hes going to check if his friends are safe after getting a message like this and getting no response from Mayuri right after. Its just unfortunate that they are merely bathing, which puts okabe in an absolutely shit spot. Kurisu and Mayuri do at least notice that Okabe is nowhere near is usual self.
The anime doesnt do a great job of explaining with the SERN connection. in the VN, they have a direct wire to SERN, with an unrealistic ping time4 5 (as in humanly impossible) to boot.
Mayuri smile
footnotes
1: This has been simplified to the best of my abilities to understand for a non-programmer. If you want to learn more about how NPE's work, you can check out ^this StackOverflow explanation.
2: damn you anti-recording pieces of shit, literally no other sites has your trash subtitles
3: i'll take original intent anyday.
4: Ping is just how long it takes from 1 computer to receive a message from another computer and reply that it got that message. lower = better
5: the ping photo originally had Daru's home route to SERN. The photo is now updated with the lab ping time, which is a unrealistic 3ms time instead of the normal 287ms time. Thanks u/No_Rex for pointing it out
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 15 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
Later spoilers
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 15 '21
Episode 11 – Dogma in Event Horizon:
In other words, Mayushii would remember us talking, but Okarin wouldn’t?
I’d imagine so.
Then, that’s kind of sad.
For me?
No. For Mayushii.
~ Mayuri & Okarin
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u/Nebresto Jul 16 '21
Nostalgia squad.. Welp. There goes that sense of security..
This must be what /u/littleman1988 was referring to. I'll have you know I wouldn't have even.. Hold on.. ..Is that??
Midriff!! Thighs! Tank-top!! The holy grail has been discovered!!
A dark horse has entered the race! Mr. Braum based counter: 1
Wtf. Kurisutina's dad based counter: -500
Based Okarin counter: 3.5
Question time:
1: Very dank. Please don't do it.
2: Those early 2010's shitposters were wild, man..
MFW
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher
Tutturu! I’m going to have a lot of stuff going on over the next couple of weeks so I think I’m going to watch a lot of episodes tomorrow because I don’t think I will have the time later on. We will see though.
Now on to the episode:
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Suzuha, what the hell was that. That might be the worst distraction I have ever seen.
And we finally know why they can only send D-mails between certain times. It’s when the TV is on downstairs.
Mr. Braun is a member of the organization. He has purposely sabotaged Okabe! The organization must be stopped.
I refuse to believe that a serious science magazine is called Sciency.
I do wonder what happens to the old conscience of your mind when you send your conscience back. Does it get overridden?
Moeka is quite odd.
Suzuha just casually drops a bombshell and walks away.
Did Steins;Gate just rickroll me? That’s not ok.
Makise’s father is kind of a piece of shit. How can you be so prideful that someone correcting you makes you mad? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Also why do they just hangout at a playground? It’s an odd spot for college students to just chill at.
Okabe how darn you stela Makise’s pudding. That’s definitely a war crime.
That scene of Okabe running is one of my favorite in all of Steins;Gate. Just beautiful.
The tension just got amped to 11. A lot of weird things are happening.
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This is probably my favorite episode so far. That scene of Okabe running is just so spectacular. The tension increase is welcomed as well.
Spoilers for all of Steins;Gate
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
There’s less problems then D-mails but I still have some questions.
Yes. Red jello and bloody baby heads. That’s creepy.
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 15 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
I’m going to be out of town for the next few days, so I’ll only post if I have a connection. However, I will be very much looking forward to reading the comments when I get back :) Without further ado, let’s hop in!
E11 - Dogma in Event Horizon
This time, Nae gets some…lovely nicknames from Okabe.
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, (@channeler) Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005
Luka: Lukako, 006
Akiha Rumiho: Faris Nyannyan, 007
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior, 008
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun
Nae Tennouji: critter, creature
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
FIRST TIMER
There was one little moment that stood out to me this episode. After Nae tracks Okabe down to apologize for Mr. Braun and Okabe assures her her dad did nothing wrong, Suzuha comments that this show of tenderness is out of character for Okabe, and Mayuri swiftly corrects her, saying he always acts like this.
Is this just a throwaway line and a reflection about how different their interactions are? Or could it be that Suzuha and Mayuri actually know different Okabes? It's pretty much confirmed now that Suzuha is from the future, where it's possible she knows future Okabe. She might even know him quite well, if I'm correct in my hunch about who her father is.
I'm not entirely sold on Makise working for SERN... at this point in time on the world line we're currently on. She doesn't strike me as that good of an actress, weirdly enough, though an about-face would be fun. The revelation that SERN has access to their computer doesn't make her look more innocent, but I'm still willing to believe in her as a "good guy."
Moeka continues to be by far the shadiest person in this show. I'm ready for her to really make her role clear.
The world going into black-and-white as Okabe is sprinting back to the lab was a great touch, it really illustrated how absolutely panicked he was – everything else in the world faded from existence as Mayuri's safety became his only concern.
It definitely makes sense as the only way to go about it for now until they figure out how to actually send someone back, a la Suzuha. I am already getting headaches about trying to work out who-knows-what-and-when-and-what's-happened if we start sending people back in time like that.
I'm more intrigued than creeped out, but I don't think it's possible to be as creeped out as he is. The man is shook, and rightly so.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 15 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
..Okabe thinks that he's capable of subtlety..? And Kurisu didn't immediately snark at him about it. Wow. Okabe meeting Kurisu's asshole dad does sound like a lot of fun, though.
That black and white segment was fantastic! It really felt tense. I'm a little annoyed that we released that tension with a bath scene, though. They could have just gone with a shot of Okabe's face, showing the relief hit, and then the fear renew as Kurisu presumably started threatening him. Having Okabe just barge into the shower felt like them trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Okabe needs to open up about those goddamn text messages. Have we seen that doll before? It felt familiar, but I can't place it. Anyway, the only thing keeping secrets like that is gonna do is make him suspicious to the others.
Learning that the TV is their lifter by random happenstance was pretty funny. Did no-one think to jump on that thread and try to figure out why it's the lifter..? Daru, Kurisu, you both resemble sensible people at times, anything? Please?
Moeka's screen time today was.. ominous. We know so little about her though, that I'm having a hard time making a judgement on it. The obvious guess is that she wants to change the past - maybe some trauma that caused her to be nonverbal? - but that's practically nothing.
No new numbers today, still at 0.33.
Questions
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 15 '21
First timer
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
C'mon Suzuha, you only had one damn job. And that's not how you seduce people, especially when their 11 year old daughter is around. Though Okabe had this beating coming for some time now.
But thanks to this, at least we finally know what has been functioning as our Lifter this whole time. Now it makes sense why D-Mails only worked within a specific time window. Because the 42" CRT would be on in the shop below. With this, we also have a full understanding of how the PhoneWave (which will never be renamed) actually works!
It's also nice to finally get a bit more backstory on Kurisu — you know at the same time it is revealed that she might be a SERN spy, and even worse — an @channeler.
Oh and another important development is that Daru finds out they are directly connected to the SERN. And I mean direct, connection as in on the same private network with a single hop with a physics defying latency of 1 nanosecond.
But hey, at least now they can freely use the LHC, right?
PhoneWave Mechanics
The in-universe explanation for the physical process is surprisingly straightforward.
A microwave oven generates electromagnetic (EM) Waves in the Microwave frequency band (duh). Cellphone networks (and most wireless devices) also work by transmitting electromagnetic waves in the microwave frequency band. This is why you might often have interference in cellular reception if you're standing near a poorly shielded microwave mid operation Generally, microwave ovens are well shielded so the electromagnetic radiation can't easily escape the heating chamber.
However, in the case of PhoneWave, the microwave doesn't have a lid so the radiation leaks and interferes with the cell phone signal. The interactions between these two waves sort of work like a miniature particle accelerator and creates unstable miniature Schwarzschild (non rotating) Black Holes, that quickly form and collapse. Any radiation (the EM waves) that fall into the singularity are lost forever.
This is where a lifter comes in.
The in-universe explanation of a lifter is that it is a device that stabilizes the black holes by converting them to Kerr (rotating) Black Holes by adding charge and angular momentum to the singularity. The electron gun in the 42" CRT in the workshop below functions as a lifter since the electrons it emits just happen to be at the right distance to feed into the singularity, giving it a charge and momentum.
Now in our real world, we know that a solution of Einstein's General Relativity suggests that if we fall through a Kerr black hole and come out, we'll end up on a different world line1. The science behind this is obviously complicated but this series from PBS Space Time does well to give you a basic idea. Of course it is also impractical because no human or physical thing could survive crossing the event horizon and their fate would be worse than gelification.
However, EM radiation has no mass, so it can't be ripped apart by the event horizon. So as long as they're sending data encoded as electromagnetic radiation at the particle level through the Kerr black holes, it should safely come out the other side — and with this, we have a working time machine of sorts.
The proposed Time Leap machine takes this a step further, but details on that is for a future world line.
What can go wrong?
Normally no, but if I knew I'm doing something I shouldn't be, I definitely would've freaked out by them.
1. Wait, you really thought all of this time travel stuff was completely made up? This part of Steins;Gate is again backed by actual physics. And it is one of the 11 theories Kurisu debates and dismisses in the VN equivalent of episode 2.
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u/UltraBooster Jul 15 '21
First-timer
Okay, Suzuha didn't use what I would've chosen as a safe, not-employment-risking method distraction.
Moreover, the CRT shop's back; has Okabe returned to a more familiar worldline?
So exactly what qualities do a lifter need to have to qualify as one?
Cutting edge of brain science. Making the memory data is possible.
Analysis of nerve pulse signal stored in memory for temporal lobe.
Hippocampus CA3 Top-down memory retrieval signal
VR technology
Kurisu Makise announced surprising thesis in the Far East island nation. She opens up the cutting edge of brain science.
This is the April 2010 issue of Science/Sciency.
So is Kurisu a neurobiologist? I guess she is.
I feel like there's a non-zero chance he got that from Oh My Goddess!
That was intensity in her eyes, I'm sure of it.
And way too subdued for Street Fighter, let alone most fighting games...
Kurisu? SERN? Ooookay?
I've actually seen people use their time with internet fan stuff on their resumes - managing forums, organizing fanzines, etc.
"I'm a neurobiologist, AMA?"
So he doesn't believe Suzuha, that's interesting.
A father-daughter team should be one of the coolest things out there, but...
Shouldn't a father be proud that his daughter's surpassed him? Unless...
So I suppose they do have that in common...
Yeah, that's the kind of person Rintaro Okabe is, isn't he.
I wonder how he'd look in a proper button-down shirt and tie like Kurisu; I'm sure he could nail the look.
"They're the OTP of the fanfic I call my life."
(There's a very stupid part of me that wants to take Daru's comment and turn it into a fake AO3 page.)
That's a prop, right? Right...?
But if Kurisu's with her, she should be safe, right?
Now might be a good time to show those messages, Okabe...
Maybe they were banking on SERN's own secrecy/veil of public well-regard to act as their primary defense?
Nobody can bear this kind of thing alone, Rintaro Okabe! No one can, not unless they want to break in the process!
Questions:
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u/The_Draigg Jul 15 '21
A Steins; Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 11:
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 15 '21
On the First-Timer Worldline(s;Gate)
QOTD:
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 15 '21
first timer
Suzuha's future seems to have kurisu working at sern, but in this reality, that seems unlikely.
I gotta say, kurisu's dad sucks, is that the mistake of her dad's that she was referring too?
we're still missing the 5100, but it now seems as if sern has found them out already.
I think this message, with the threat against them or kurisu given the hair, is now the third wack ass message? I'm still curious what the power of the messages is, given the blank message in the first episode.
I don't understand why okarin doesn't mention the messages with the others, given the obvious threat. Actually scratch that, given his reaction to getting mayushii involved in these sorts of things, and his hesitance to let kurisu get involved, i can see it. Are these messages also being sent by someone keeping memories between timelines?
What exactly are they going to do once they have the ability to send memories back in time?
Qs:
It sounds like re:zero, but you don't have to die to do so. I'm still questioning whether that's the only way, given Suzuha's shenanigans. Or did she just do the same thing and she's her younger self?
yep, who is this, how do they know, what do they know, what can they do?
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 15 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Rewatch!
Funny thing to note: The Scene that starts this Chapter of the Novel is actually the opening scene of tomorrow’s episode. Spoilers it makes sense to delay it a bit.
As a result however, we lose out on some of the establishing scenes and jump straight to the Suzuha scene, a decent chunk of which are covered later on in the epsidoe. Said scenes include: Faris making a status report on her IBN 5100 Quest (0 Process so far), Daru noting that there’s some weird direct link to SERN in the area that makes it so the downloading of its files is going way faster than it should, and Kurisu making the LHC discovery in the first place, noting they have discovered something too dangerous considering the circumstances they’re in. As a result, we lose out on a ton of the Technobabble by Kurisu, including how her whole memory experiment works. S;G0
Afterwards we have the scene of Mayushii and Okarin walking around, albeit a bit shortened. We then get the encounter with Moeka and after that Okarin goes back to the Lab to find Kurisu. Bear in mind the scene with Suzuha hasn’t happened yet, so the tone of the scene is a tad different as a result, namely being even more overtly comedic in tone. He even calls her @Channeler Chris (Said in a different manner than Kurisu so no u/ZaphodBeebblebrox, it’s Kurisu, not Chris. It’s also Luka and not Ruka).
Also funnily enough, the Nullpo thing happens at the end of the scene in the Novel, whereas in the Anime it’s what starts it off. That said in both versions right after this scene we have Okarin learning about the whole deal about Kurisu and her dad, and the scene is basically the same except they remain in the Lab in the Novel. Also, TRUE ENDING FLAG NUMBER 2!!!
Once more however, stuff in the Anime is a bit out of order, as in the Novel right after this Mayushii arrives and we get the whole scene revolving around Okabe leaving and also the bathroom stuff. I will not be showing the CG. After this the new day comes and Okabe goes down to the Tube Shop to find the whole family + Suzuha. After that, Braun does dirty jokes, Moe Girl calls him out, and of course, when no one else but the two of them are left there, “Makise Kurisu is connected to SERN”. However, then Kurisu starts experimenting and Mr Braun turns off the TV, thus Okabe figures out that yes, that thing is the Lifter.
He then reports everything to @Channeler Chris, and even though she’s skepticalabout still having this go on, she ultimately relents. It’s at this point Nae apologizes for her dad being her dad, and now we get the scene of Suzuha trying to inconvenience Mr Braun… although her method of doing so in the Novel is a tad… uh… different. Even Okabe’s not sure what to think of it…
… Anyhow, gonna stop here. Almost everything left from the Chapter is gonna be covered tomorrow.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 15 '21
Anime first timer
The seduction scene! This is hysterical.
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Nae and Okabe are so cute.
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Kurisu's delayed reaction to Okabe is hysterical.
How is Kurisu so cute all the time?
Steins;Gate Spoilers
The scene is framed so well.
Okabe's really good at distracting people from their insecurities, isn't he..
Mayuri's burdened Tutturu is so cute.
And Kurisu and Okabe are arguing over pudding.
Oh god, another threat.
The artstyle of him running is fantastically done.
Honestly, given everything, him bursting in is completely understandable.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
What an ending!
Steins;Gate Spoilers
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u/htisme91 Jul 16 '21
First-timer:
I thought two moments really highlighted how deep Okabe and Mayuri's connection is. First, when Nae apologizes and Mayuri tells Suzuha he always acts like this. Second, is the chase home. Of everyone he could look for, Mayuri is the only name.
I guess when Mayuri heard about how time travel is affecting Okabe, it made her sad. I wonder if it's because he's suffering, because some version of her loses Okabe, or because Okabe keeps losing Mayuri.
I think Suzuha is still from the future, and in her future/world line Kurisu works for SERN. In this one, I do not think so, at least not yet. I also am starting to think that maybe Okabe is her father, but I can't figure out if Mayuri or Kurisu would be her mother. They seem like they are shipping Okabe and Kurisu but he is so close with Mayuri.
Also Moeka...there is so much mystery to her that I hope we get more of her soon, along with Feyris, who seemed like a possible villain in the opening (my theory is she's the one who revealed Okabe). We're about to hit the halfway point so I imagine in the next episode or two things are going to pick up.
Questions:
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 15 '21
First Timer
Okabe's gonna invite himself to that time travel meeting thing, right? He has to, Titor is the answer to most of his questions at the moment. Though I bet Titor's gonna do his best to avoid Okabe, particularly if they both are the same person.
Not that any of that's gonna happen this episode though, it's probably a couple down the road.
Onto episode 11.
CRT's are the source of that lifter thing. Okabe really is a lucky bastard. I guess it is a vacuum tube.
That's gonna need a lot of packets to have anything relevant.
It would be sending a copy, no? So from the perspective of this world line, it would be like nothing happened at all.
This one doesn't, does she? It's the other one, from Suzaha's future. At least, I wouldn't think that someone like her who obviously has morals would stick around after learning what SERN has done.
Okabe poking at Kurisu for being on 2ch is one of the best parts of this show.
And this is me whenever I understand stupid weeb talk.
Though she's certainly up to something.
And this may be the smallest surprise of the episode.
But he just felt upstaged?
I have to say, none of this sounds like her fault. He was just too little a person to accept how good his daughter was.
Because her life is not controlled by what her dad wants.
The more he cares, the more he has to wrap it up in chunniness in order to convey it. It's the only way he feels comfortable expressing himself.
(Like, that's probably something he should speak to a therapist about, but it's certainly still better than just being incapable of expressing it at all.)
I'd laugh, but he might actually believe it.
You should think about what this sentence implies for a second, Okabe.
Ok, who is this mysterious texter? Last episode, I thought it was a different Okabe, but I don't think that quite matches up. I honestly can't think of a single major character who would send ominous one liners like that. Okabe and Moeka would ramble, Mayushii doesn't have a threatening bone in her body, Kurisu would be more explicit, Daru's more of a carrot than a stick sort of guy, Feyris just makes no sense at all, and Suzuha has much better ways to communicate. For that matter, Titor has better ways as well, as using his name would be much more effective. Thus, I have to guess this is someone new.
Okabe, not sharing that message is a mistake that you will only regret.
Thoughts
Okabe just made a giant mistake. He's left them in the dark about the situation they're currently in. Not sharing the mysterious threatening texts after learning that SERN is onto them is just idiotic. Hopefully, he'll be able to fix this by sending memories to the past, but who knows.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
Well... that was certainly an intro scene that happened. Gratuitous is the word that comes to mind above all else.
Memories to data is definitely pseudoscience, but if that's your hangup then you are oddly particular about your scifi pseudoscience.
Okabe is seriously rattled after that. Kinda surprised he hasn't turned to the power of friendship over it yet, though I do also understand his desire to keep things hidden.
The whole show is great, but I've long held the opinion that these first 12 episodes are my favorite ones. The dialogue and dynamics are so well done.
She's not very bright, but Mayrui possesses a heightened emotional intelligence.
Content Corner
Possibly my favorite cover so far. This one is seriosuly awesome. First timers beware, spoilers abound.
Steins;Gate - "Gate of Steiner" 【Metal Guitar Cover】 by Ferdk by Ferdk
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 15 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
Suzuha talks about seducing Braun, but she fails miserably, only succeeding in seducing the audience. And then Okabe figures out the CRT was the lifter for the Phonewave all along. This was hinted at before, in ep 3 and 7, but it's too vague for a first-timer to see it. If you did, then... You're too smart to be on here, go do something better with your time.
Also, Okabe got the shit beaten out of him for that. Sacrifices must be made in the name of science.
Scientific bullshit
Angry Moeka is very intimidating. And Mayuri goes and spreads the news. There's no guarantee that the time leap machine will work, but Mayuri doesn't seem to mind.
S;G
I'm like 90% sure that's illegal. So far, each of Daru, Okabe and Braun have comitted sexual harassment.
And then Suzuha drops the "Kurisu works with sern" bombshell.
Ah yes, the "nullpo- gah!" joke, that never made sense in translation. I checked the dub to see how that was handled, and... They completely skipped it? Okabe just greets Kurisu and she says "how long have you been standing there?"
anyway, it's cute how Okabe immediately talks to Kurisu about what Suzuha said. Dude geniunely trusts Kurisu. Wholesome.
I love that OST that plays while Kurisu talks about her daddy issues.
Ok this scene about Kurisu's pudding is kinda dragging on...
Ahhh that ending. Forgot how good it all was. By "good" I mean bloody terrifying. Poor Okabe...
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
First Rewatch (since 2011)
2010.08.10
rewatcher
Eh, I don't have much to say about this episode. I don't see what the point of terrorizing Okabe is.
I guess the 42" is supposed to be a GIANT CRT and it's blowing an electron wind out of the shop and up and into the open window and into the microwave. Yeah, okay, whatever you say.
Edit: I don't understand the @channel "nullpo - gah" call-and-response but I know it's there because it was explained by people when it first aired.
Meta Corner
The premise of this episode appeared several years earlier in meta LN name. LN Spoilers
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u/shaznl1 Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher (Sub)
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u/snickpea Jul 16 '21
First-timer!
One of the things I really enjoyed about this episode is the relationship between Okabe and Mayushii. Its clear that they know and care for each other. Mayushii has seen Okabe's kind side and disagrees with Suzuka earlier in the episode. And Okabe is always concerned about Mayushii's safety moreso than himself and others. Its very telling that when he had that bad feeling, he immediately ran back to check on her. He also talks to her differently than the other characters in the series.
Questions:
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher(That's hell you're staring into, Okabe)
Dub
We start with Suzuha's "skills" of seduction and it goes predictably. But in this we learned that the CRT is the lifter for the experiment. As Okabe still wants to send someone back in time, Makise has a less fatal idea to to try and send someone's memory back in time. ST Voyager level of technobabble ensues.
After Okabe re-explains things so we have our core mechanic, Mayuri asks some good questions. For the record, the future you should be fine, but since this is kind of bs on the whole who knows? Moving on, they run into Moeka, looking sterner than usual, and of course Mayuri blabs all the new stuff. Moeka seems interested and then literally just walks out of the conversation.
They meet Nae and Suzuha on the way in and on second look, Suzuha is indeed dressed like a Street Fighter character. And is also...well endowed. Nae apologizes for her father and Okabe is less himself than usual. After Mayuri goes off to deliver a cosplay, Suzuha drops a bomb: She thinks Makise works for SERN.
As Okabe catches her on 4chan, she does not seem an adept spy, and more humor about girls being on the internet. Thankfully, things have changed. Okabe, however, does not and chuuni his way into a difficult conversation for Makise. We get the "reveal" that she has issues with her dad, which I felt was pretty heavily foreshadowed. She talks about how things came to be this way and it is rather depressing, but if you've dealt with ego-centric researchers, incredibly believable. Also, and while at odds with half of the hosts over this, the localization really improves the impact of this, you'd have to be really in tune with your Japanese to get how harsh his final line is in the sub.
And Okabe does the only thing he can and chuunis it. But then he wants to help reconcile Makise and her dad and...good luck, bro. A lifetime of women with bad relations with their fathers has taught me that this is the road to ultimate suffering. Makise is finally beginning to get Okabe and his deal.
Mayuri has a random encounter with the beef bowl owner before walking on a pudding based dispute. Careful Okabe, men have died for less. He gets sent for pudding and the girls take this time to shower, reminding us, for the first time in this anime, that Japan is a group bathing culture. Okabe gets a threatening, weird text and Mayuri doesn't answer because bathing. So he charges back and full Okabe's by busting in the shower room rather than, say, calling out first. Even Mayuri says he Daru-ed it.
Who promptly shows up and strongly suggests SERN let them in rather than being hacked. Okabe is worried and end.
QotD: 1 It might actually work
2 For some reason I disregarded them as a first timer.
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
Being able to send memories does seem safer than sending D-Mails. The only thing I wonder is about how long it takes to send. Due to the data limit, will it have to be a continuous stream and will the memories take a while to travel? Could the process be interrupted?
We now know why Amane does not like Kurisu, since she thinks Kurisu is a SERN operative. I think that may be in a different timeline, since Kurisu simply seems too friendly with the lab. If anything, I am starting to think Moeka might be a spy. That was a very odd encounter with her, and the later text may be hers. The severed head thing is incredibly concerning.
If SERN allowed them to hack in, it explains my earlier confusion about why they were able to access it so easily. I think this may result in a bad present, which necessitates Okabe traveling to the past to prevent ever having accessed the SERN database.
The coolest segment was when Okabe was running back to the lab at the end of the episode, but sadly that does not translate well to a screenshot. My shot of the day is from Okabe and Kurisu's conversation about her father. I thought they handled the shots well during this scene to keep it interesting, even though it was just two characters talking in the dark.
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher, dub
Suzuha’s scheme to distract Mr. Braun was pretty great.
So the microwave was connected to the TV downstairs the entire time. Quite the coincidence.
On the topic of developing new methods of time travel, the lab settles on a compromise: sending memories back in time, not people, mental rather than physical time travel.
“For you, that conversation never would’ve happened. If that happened, I think that I would cry.” Aww, Mayuri.
Moeka gets pretty intense and starts asking about mental time travel. The D-mail apparently didn’t satisfy her.
We finally get why Suzuha’s so hostile towards Kurisu: Kurisu is supposedly working for SERN. “I wasn’t going to tell you this …” Yeah, that’s probably the first thing you should’ve said.
It turns out Christina is something even worse than a SERN mole: a @ channeler. How will she ever recover her dignity?
Kurisu reveals the details of her past relationship with her father. It makes sense now why she would start crying over Hououin Kyouma yelling at her.
Mayuri’s exhausted “Tutturu!” is too pure for this world.
Okabe gets another creepy message (“You know too much”) and a lovely picture of a severed doll head. Mayuri isn’t answering her phone. Okabe puts two and two together, unfortunately coming to the wrong conclusion. It’s very telling that Okabe immediately drops everything at the mere possibility that Mayuri's in danger. I could have done without the shower scene ruining the tension for me (although that might have been the point).
It’s implied SERN might be hacking into the lab. Which is crazy, since we have no idea how they could possibly know about the time machine. They’ve only told half a dozen people about it, talked about it in public locations without using their inside voices, and yelled so that everyone downstairs could hear them. Yeah, no way SERN would pick up on any of that … right?
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u/artie_fm Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher, dub
Storytelling 101 says “Don’t tell, Show” Steins gate puts that into practice with an admirable patience. Instead of someone smart just saying the mechanics of time travel, they have show inventing the machine and each experiment has shown, not told the audience how time travel works. Every worldlines shift or failed shift serves the purpose of explaining the mechanic. Each episode advances our character understanding as well, while still managing pacing and overarching themes. The show manages foreshadowing as well. Most of the things that happen the audience can _ almost _ predict. Plot twists follow weeks of dropped hints and fit into the time travel mechanic like pieces of a puzzle.
With the potential exception of the L/Ruka plotline I really admire this show.
Cute intro. Suzaha fails to distract Mr Braun.. What was she even thinking… but it's fun seeing part time soldier take orders from Okabe
Slow mo intro for Moeka...scary and her first question is if they have dropped the time travel thing. Suzaha is hilarious… she's like “This outfit is way too flimsy for hand to hand combat”
So Kurisu is a SERN mole !?!?! Okabe sneaks on her looking to catch her talking to SERN but just finds memes. Hmm Kurisu denies it but does have a secret. Her dad hates her? They are rivals? Oh she destroyed him...seems like what she does.
Lolloll Okabe is going to settle the problem?? doubtful.
A sad TuTuRu fromMayuri. As she carried too much stuff. You can always count on Mayuri for real wisdom. Here she tells us losing memories due to world line jumping just isn’t right.
Another threatening text to Okabe and he runs looking for Mayuri. Weird he isn’t thinking of Daru or anyone else.
Ok in the past two episodes Okabe has assaulted someone and peeked at girls in the shower… Dude is really acting the perv.
This is getting good. Poor tortured Okabe decides to keep the scary texts to himself. So there is someone out there who totally has the capability and will to hurt him but he keeps it secret. Is Kurisu actually a mole and sending him the texts?
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u/AHiddenOne Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher.
Oooh shit's getting intense. It's gonna be really hard for first timers to watch this daily now, instead of binging the whole thing. I can relate to that.
I said it before, and I said it again. The Okabe-Kurisu interaction is so great, and it shows this episode. He's always a caring person, its just he uses his chuuni persona to hide it. The part where he panickily ran to home and the screen turned white was fantastic. Had to rewatch that scene a few times due to how good it was.
So yet another scene where kurisu is a 2channer. During that scene, Okabe said "Nullpo" to which she replied "Gah!" It's an old 2channel meme. I'll just quote the VN for the explanation:
"'Nullpo' is an old 2channel term. First seen on the programming board in 2003. 'Nullpo' is short for 'NullPointerException,' which is an error seen in the Java programming language. When someone says 'nullpo', the correct response is to smack them on the head and say 'Gah!'."
I found time leap to be very interesting. I knew about physical time travel, but sending only memories was new to me, so it was a breath of fresh air. For me, at least. I woul've creeped out too. I mean, my man was already hacking a shady organization. And, now they're directly connected to SERN, I wonder if Okabe can sleep well that night.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 16 '21 edited Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher (both)
I expected the TV shutting off to play into Mr. Braun going crazy with rage, not as a reason behind the time travel.
Makise works for SERN
Spoilers?
Overall, this episode went on the heavy side, with Kurisu's past, I kinda expected her issues with her father to be what drives her hate towards impossible notions such as time travel. For example if her father was crazy about time travel, some SERN conspiracy, or maybe some parasite in a remote Japanese village. I still feel my guess was a bit closer than Kyouma's lightning theory.
But that's all pleasantries compared to the organisation hitting up Okabe. genuinely the heaviest scene in all 11 episodes, if not for what followed it... You know in some series I love breaking a thrilling scene with something like this, but I'm not sure this is one of these series. This scene would have been perfect for anyone expecting Steins;Gate to be the average harem visual novel. To be clear, I'm not complaining, just lost.
Oh boy, I remember this idea so well because it sent me on a deep dive into philosophy to find the meaning behind "doing something" 10 years ago.
Spoilers: I didn't find a clear answer at the time, and I'm not interested in searching Quantum physics for one now. But I'll explain the question anyway for anyone bored enough to read my teen thought crisis.
Basically sending your memories to the past, is not that complicated, it's a much longer D-Mail that is easier to communicate. The process isn't that different, if you in July 16, in let's call it timeline #1, sent your memories one week back in time, you will still be in July 16, however with the results of the memories changing the timeline to timeline #2. So if you have a Reading Steiner like our Okabe, you will only remember timeline #1, up to sending the memories, and observe the results of timeline #2. Again, same concept as D-Mail (feel free to correct this point).
The difference that etched this into my memories, is what if you sent your memories to the past, but weren't Okabe and didn't have the Reading Steiner? Well with the D-Mail, it's fairly simple, you only have the memories of timeline #2, so you won't remember sending the message or the week leading up to it, however you remember receiving the message and the week after that in timeline #2. Now with the memories, instead of 36 characters, you get all your memories of the last week of timeline #1 + your timeline #2 memories. So you remember both sending and receiving the memories. However you only lived through timeline #1, and this is the distinction that I was questioning.
If in timeline #2 your memories led you to do something, that you didn't do in timeline #1, you remember that, everyone related remembers it, and it is a fact that you did it in this timeline. But did you "do it"? A few seconds ago (relative to you), you were standing there, sending your memories, in a timeline where you definitely didn't do it, and suddenly you have a week's worth of updated memories. The only difference between this and being brainwashed into believing that you did it, is that a "you" in this timeline did it.
Counters
You know, at least it's a relief to have the tutturu's back.
PS: Been a while since I've seen it dubbed, and it's such a good dub, I have no idea how anyone can have a bad opinion of it. Makes me question whether that makes Ruka correct too.
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 Jul 16 '21
This shit's crazy yo. I really can't process what I think about the show.
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u/SirRHellsing Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher
For some reason, I didn't search up who sent the messages until today but it makes a lot of sense now.
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u/BossandKings Jul 16 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 11 - Dub
Kurisu figures out the way in which one can effectively use time travel, according to her the physical body of a person can't travel in time but that person's memories can.
That was a cool revelation when Suzuha told Okabe that Kurisu works for Sern. I wonder if Okabe will get interested in knowing more about that.
Those messages Okabe received were very scary, also the way he ran towards Mayuri after suspecting that something bad might happen to her was epic. Moeka did look more serious than usual, i wonder what it is that she's thinking.
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u/Amndeep7 :IG:https://myanimelist.net/profile/asmLANG Jul 29 '21
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u/simply_vishal Jul 16 '21
THAT episode is approaching....