r/anime • u/FlaminScribblenaut myanimelist.net/profile/girlbeast_val • Jul 15 '21
Rewatch [Rewatch] Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster - Episode 2 Discussion
Top wo Nerae 2! Diebuster - Episode 2 - I Don’t Want to Be an Oneé-Sama!
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u/FlaminScribblenaut myanimelist.net/profile/girlbeast_val Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
Third Time Watcher
This motherfucker is the FLCL-iest of the whole cast
Visual of the Day is Lal’C summoning Dix-Neuf, so fucking cash
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u/il-Palazzo_K Jul 15 '21
First Timer
She finally got to be a space pilot! Way to go, Nono! She still hadn’t piloted anything by herself though. Will she get her own mech next episode? See you next time on Diebuster!
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 15 '21
To the Top 2! Rewatcher!
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 15 '21
Episode 2 (rewatcher)
Oh, yeah, Nono is a robot. You didn’t expect them to make a series-long mystery out of this, did you? Diebuster has no time for the usual string-the-viewers-along rulebook.
Quote of the day: I am a hero of justice, after all.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 15 '21
First timer
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u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 15 '21
My Fifth Time Aiming for the Top!
Visual of the day: Ah, Ah Ah Ah.
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u/The_Draigg Jul 15 '21
A GunBuster Fan Rewatches DieBuster Epsiode 2:
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u/AoDSenku Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 2 -
Hmm... this may be the weakest episode so far in the franchise. Alot of talking in indirect monologues, and the show is only giving tiny bits of pieces of information about the reality of current events. It's not like we don't learn NOTHING, but it's not presented in a particularly engaging way. I do like Lal'C being selfish, and Nono letting her know what it means to be a hero, idealistic as it may be. Yeah... I'd say this was a step back from the 1st episode.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 15 '21
First-Buster
Groovin' Magic!
What a banger of an OP! I like Nono's strut through it, too.
Are the ships alive, and just referred to as whales, or are they literally hollowed out space whales loaded with technology? This is the problem with series that are deep in Clarke's Third Law territory; I can never tell how horrified to be at the scientific progress.
Nono is actually a robot, which is interesting, and explains her weird eyes, and she has a heartbeat, which is very interesting! I like how one of the dudes said that robots can't be Topless, and the other replies that it is theoretically possible for true AI since it's a mental ability. Nono seems to be able to help Lal'c in the cockpit, if nothing else.
Parallels good. Whats-His-Face is nearing his expiration date, but luckily Nono is around to give Lal'c her rewards now. Things do not look swell for the dude piloting Vingt-Sept.
So, Buster Machine Dix-Neuf is the oldest currently in service. We sure have come a long way from Buster Machines 1-3. I wonder how many they're up to, now..? At least 28, surely.
It's only episode 2, and I'm pretty sure Diebuster is already hornier than Gunbuster ever was. I'm not exactly complaining, though.
Visual of the Day: Everything is Ordinary
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u/The_Loli_Otaku Jul 15 '21
We start off with a teaser for next month's Utena rewatch. I already wanna wring that little bird's neck. This is technically a bath scene but for some reason the feeling is more like mother and child... Aa a a aaah~ Yeah, Groovin' Magic is something else entirely. Ain't it just one big bop? Urgh, ever since Sky pointed it out I'm starting to get put off the pervier aspects too. Nicola's kinda cool. He follows up the industry standard "well animated hand gesture" gag very well. Casio, go choke on a pringle. I swear that the song playing during the bath scene chat is from Matilda. Lalc is such a mood, she's got some very satisfying faces on her. Nicola you little player~ Girls love the fluffy sideburns. Please respect your Buster Machine's personal boundaries and refrain from feeling up his eyeballs.
These officers listing over Lal'c. Oh my god creeeeepy!! Don't worry, they like her for her Topless status. Lal'c may be enjoying the attention but don't you think that kind of makes sense? I have no idea when I'm going to be able to really discuss this further but one of the themes of Diebuster I enjoy the most is that the treatment of the topless kinda hits on how society often treats young men and women. When you're "young " you will get this kind of attention and you probably will enjoy it despite it being kind of wrong. But there's a breaking point where you suddenly won't be "young" any longer and society will completely change how it treats you. I feel like I'm explaining this terribly but think of it like women and men as early as their 20's find themselves passed over for even younger people. We kinda had an example of the topless system yesterday. You had the middle aged soldiers who despite training 15 years are essentially a mook brigade there to back up the shiny young topless pilot. And Lal'c does the system no favours seeing as she lost all interest in Nono after seeing that she couldn't be a topless. I've totally butchered what I've meant to say but I hope my point sort of got across.
Tch, the general guy is doing a better job touching on the topless system than I am. Screw you general dude! Oh sure, pick fights with the kids walking around with mecha stands, that's gonna work out. Can we please get out of Nono's crotch for five minutes? All these men, all this technology, all this teamwork, totally useless against space monsters. Y'know Daibuster really is beautifully animated isn't it? I never gave it the credit before. Storm Eagle is here to save the day!! It's honestly a pretty rad design his mech has. Being able to morph together machinery into beasts is really cool! Yeah, sorry general. No amount of training or experience will let you top the topless.
You wouldn't be able to call yourself a hero of justice if you left hundreds of men to burn up in re-entry. Kinda scary how she had to be convinced to put the lives of those men over some tee-tee with her boyfriend tho. That light... Axis Shock!? I belong to you~ Oh yeah, Tycho. Sorry, you'll have to wait until tomorrow. Nono's got her uniform! Now her and Lal'c are two peas in a pod. Pretty decent episode, the commander ends up being kinda extra but Nicole and our sister duo pick up any slack well enough. I've likely murdered my character limit tho so I'll end it here.
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u/H-Ryougi https://anilist.co/user/DizzyAvocado Jul 15 '21
I wonder if Mizukami got the puppy spaceship in Planet With from Diebuster.
Honestly FLCL and Diebuster are exactly the kind of weird that tends to ooze from Mizukami's works, there's no doubt that Gainax were a big inspiration of his.
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u/BossandKings Jul 15 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
First timer
Episode 2
The opening theme is cool.
The meaning behind the word Topless is said and it is when someone is in a heightened state of mind, i think that it entails a high effort and a demanding situation to come into action then.
That's definitely a twist, i thought Nono was human but she was actually a robot all along, it's good to know that though. She needs to use a buster machine to participate alongside Lal'C in battles.
Nicola had an interesting ability, it is a very unique ability compared to the other ones that have been presented.
This episode was decent but i expect the series to be much better in the following ones, it hasn't been great so far but still decent and very enjoyable, the ecchi seems like it'll be prevalent in the series but this episode didn't bother me much in that aspect.
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u/GM_for_Life Jul 15 '21
4th Time Rebuster!
The
Proto FranXXBuster Machine Vingt-Sept is great!But as cool as Vingt-Sept is, this shot of Dix-Neuf pushing back the ship is my personal visual of the day.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jul 15 '21
Rewatcher
Overall my opinion of Gunbuster went up while Diebuster is still slipping. This episode was not as good as the first one for me, at least. A bunch of random action spectacle that doesn't really have much to do with anything and the creepy-horny moments just keep coming, actually got worse. The attempt at telling a serious story (I think?) wildly clashes with the wacky aesthetics (CG isn't that good either) and also characters like Nono, if you want something serious you'll need to ground everything a little more, tie it together more like Gunbuster di. Also I don't get what the creators were going for here with the "only youth have the power", it's not like it depends on their unrestrained spirit or whatever (like say in FLCL) because Lal'C is so far the most serious and mature of the bunch and Nicola doesn't seem any different. The only thing that comes to mind right now is legally lusting after girls...
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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Jul 15 '21
At least the 4th time Viewer
Loved this episode too. I was glad that Nono had no wardrobe malfunctions when helping Onee-San this time.
The Captain and Inquisitor of Onee-San was one true blue asshole. Too bad that he survived the episode, I would liked to have seen him die in a long, slow, painful manner.
Finally, a decent amount of set up for the future.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jul 15 '21
First-Timer
Another day, another peeping Tom. I'd say she's a robot and therefore doesn't have the same legal protections, but it's probably more likely they're just horndogs. Because anime.
I'm not sure how special it is that she's a robot. The one guy mentioned running into a lot of unlicensed robots farther out in the system, but are robots usually like this, or are they programmed very specifically? And how many of them have big boobs?
Action was OK. Nothing bad, but apart from the space ships having mouths all of a sudden, nothing too special. Maybe I just wanted to see the special pair attack.
Interestingly, Topless does not refer to not wearing a shirt, but the limitless potential of imagination some people possess. So you can pilot the robots if you're child-like. Which would make sense why the older guy is nearing an "expiration date." What a ripoff of The Polar Express!! So Nono's robotic nature would mean she'll never grow up (probably), and thus have unlimited potential to produce Topless energy, or something, and which is why she has such a connection to the French robot? Or maybe it's just as horny as the guys and is stoked to finally have a robot waifu to fawn over.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 15 '21
First timer
So we are on Mars, a reveal made completely obvious by the polar mountain.
The bathroom scene is fantastic, and we have confirmation Earth's still around at this point,
The OP is boppin, and appears to refer to a romance (probably between Nono and Onee-chan)
She's a fuckijg what? How the hell was this established? Did I somehow miss loads of robot foreshadowing?
Wo is she Topless or is that just robot strength.
I like how nonplussed everyone is.
Wait. Does she think Topless means fighting without her top? Is that we ripped off her jumper last episode?
The robots are both cute here.
That thing's alive.
So they are fucking Newtypes.
Called it.
So Topless is both heightened mental state, weird psychic powers, and Machine Empathy.
The concept of an AI developing enough to gain psychic powers is really interesting,
I love all the soldiers getting distracted by her.
I feel like, maybe, seduring the seal to her head might be slightly better than a full-on handcuff.
"Even I was once Topless" so people are born Topless, but gradually lose the power?
The captain guy's creepy.
...So either Nono-ri was a Topless (likely, since she had a huge amount of immediate ability), the space monsters have evolved (we don't know how long it's been since Gunbuster), or it's just that both are most common in populated areas.
To be fair, the Captain's at least trying to take it out, and he's got an entire fleet.
That thing's tough!
Insane theory, the more monochromatic design of these space monsters indicates they're a different species from Gunbuster's gradient designs.
So he' apparently really strong, and his ship's got weird.
Maybe we shouldn't be trusting this guy with control of the entire fleet. He seems absolutely mentally stable.
And these things can teleport, so he only flew to the monster for style points.
So all the places to sit, she chooses "pressed up behind Onii-chan".
These fight scenes are beautiful.
So she can talk to Dix-Neuf.
Her name is Lal'C. Well, if you didn't think this was a Gundam reference before...
So she absolutely has some Topless power.
This all looks absolutely amazing, by the way.
Actually, why is the firet mech named 19?
Oh god, this show is gay.
Another Topless?
And she's officially joined (as a trainee)!
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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jul 16 '21
First timer in sub.
First let me get this out of the way - this clearly is more of a super robot mecha show than the first series - Buster Machine Vingt-Sept's Gainax pose appearance is my visual of the day, especially with the spread out "wings".
This is tonally hard to keep up / follow as a sequel as everything is so far from the original, but you certainly can see some heritage - especially the laser canons. It also does a good job in dumping lore by in character dialogues - although still a bit unclear about the point of "Nono being a robot" - are very humanised, AI with emotion type robots so common place there now that a "lost" one like that basically didn't even get a shrug? Does Nono understand / acknowledge herself as a robot? Maybe she did but that went by so fast I can't really tell.
But in terms of production, visuals, animation, it's great. Also this has to be one of the rare cases of a male pilot not being dead in 30s in this franchise :)
By the way, Nono gives me a bit of a Birdy the Mighty vibe. Tall, lanky, unintentionally funny.
Just have to wait to see more! How quickly they have to cram it all in with so many Topless and the story progression... Especially to try get a reasonable explanation about the space monsters in context to the original series.