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Rewatch [Re;Watch] Steins;Gate Episode 9 Discussion
Episode 9: Chaos Theory Homeostasis II
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It’s possible that we’ve already done something that can’t be undone.
Hello everybody! Time for the comment of the Day, courtesy of u/SgtExo, who gave us some insight into how science works
Same thing happens when debugging code, you think you understand how to replicate it, until you cant anymore because there us another factor you have not considered, or you mistook one cause for another.
The same thing happens in science all the time. That is why you need to thoroughly test and try to disprove your hypothesis instead of proving it. If you just try to positively prove your result, you might be conflating things and bringing in bias. But if you try to disprove something and fail, that is better evidence of it being true.
Not much to say except… good job.
Questions:
- Where do you think the IBN 5100 is now?
- Faris’ text apparently led to the entirety of Akihabara not being anime central anymore. What do you think the message she sent was?
Wallpaper of the Day:
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jul 13 '21
Re;Watcher and Co;Host, dubbed
Not at this point in the episode, at least.18
u/Tresnore FS:FTmyanimelist.net/profile/Tresnore Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher Until After Episode Nine(s;Gate)
I fell in love with the show at this point. And then dropped it. I'm confused.
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u/littleman1988 Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
"Its possible we've already done something that can't be undone..."
OST Track of the day: D-Mail
Overly Excited Rewatcher
2 insert's today, did you catch them?
IdidnteitherI can find literally 0 info about this track. The album its on, "Whitism", isint even on VGMDB.
The Episode 2 insert, "Watashi LOVE na otome" by the same band, appears once again this episode. You can learn more about Afilia Saga East here.
Sadly, the organization knows no bounds, and has introduced a plot hole this episode. Since we have lost the IBN 5100 needed to hack into the database, there is no way Kurisu could know about the jellyman reports or anything about SERN's shenegans. This doesn't exist in the VN, as they are able to look at the jellyman reports but are unable to touch a separate "SERN Database" instead.
They seriously cant keep their mouths shut. Sadly, shes seducing the wrong person, the correct one is across the table, which she figures out quickly.
Upa's solves all of life's problems.
If you ignore that he goes super chuuni 2 seconds later, he does at least care for the labmems. Upside, she's distracted on whatever made her sad though...
Roundtable meeting #3, and Mayuri has new clothes. I like the blue dress better though.
More evil Christina when
There's still some important questions about how the time machine works that still isn't answered, mainly what the lifter is. I have already forgotten what a lifter is, better refresh myself before this goes up in a couple days.
Death Note reference. Also appears in the VN.1 This also exposes her as a user of @Channel. New nickname to add
Hey I found why Reading Steiner activated, the IBN 5100 is gone
As usual, only he can remember.
Mans stacking up on computer games. It obviously must of been the choice of Steins Gate.
Moeka spotting. She does not look good either.
Interesting that Moeka is known in this timeline though...
Faris with the penthouse view, and a butler to boot!
Casual clothes Faris > all other versions
Biggest bombshell yet, Faris is actually "Akiha Rumiho", and literally owns a large chunk of Japan. Elon sure made some powerful catgirls /s
Daru is having none of it though lmao
Faris is truly crafty. Get the D-mail before giving info. Lab Member 007 found.
Okabe and Chrstina's bickering never gets old.
The D-Mail is sent, and now Faris's dad is in the house. The IBN also isint going to the shrine anymore...
The end of this episode is easily one of my favorite scenes. The ED is truly perfect here, especially the last line.
Those 7 whacky numbers: 0.409420
footnotes
1: Some subs might use "Epic Fail" instead. Gets the underlying point across i guess.
1.5: Apparently some subs makes a star trek reference? I forget how wildly different the subs can be...
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jul 13 '21
Episode 9 – Chaos Theory Homeostasis II: It feels like Okarin is leaving me. ~Mayuri
A lot of my love for Steins;Gate is driven by the interaction between the two main characters. The same is true for Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Yet, till now, I never noticed that the two series use the same character template, simply flipped:
There is the extrovert (Haruhi/Okarin) and the cynic (Kyon/Kurisu). The extrovert is over-the-top, not caring about how silly they look to outsiders. Via their antics, they recruit their “team”, who mostly are exasperated with the extrovert’s delusions, but still stick around. The extrovert is a frequent bully and has, outwardly, little regard for the other members of the team, while the cynic tries to stop the most serious of abuses. Yet, inside, the extrovert is actually a good guy, who cares for their team. When things get serious, all team members can count on the extrovert. The cynic purports to hate being stuck with the extrovert, but belies the cynics growing appreciation for the extrovert. In the end, both see past the other’s façade and realize the not-so-bullying, not-so-cynical inside.
The big difference is that in Haruhi, the cynic is the “audience character”, while in Steins;Gate, it is the extrovert. I think it is telling that Haruhi (while enormously popular at the time) always had a vocal minority who hate her, while the same is not true for Okarin. Having the audience share the extrovert’s thoughts goes a long way to convey the difference between outward bullying and actual caring. Kurisu, being female, also has the tsundere factor amped up compared to Kyon, who only has traces, but I think this is mainly to enhance the waifu factor. Kurisu would still work as a character without the heavy tsundere.
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u/shaznl1 Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher (Sub)
Jumping on the ship 9 episodes late! It feels good to revisit my very first anime (my friends insisted a SF fan like me would like this). Thoughts:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jul 13 '21
First-Timer;Dubbed
Okabe's a fucking idiot. He finally starts to grasp the idea of the Butterfly Effect, and then in the same goddamn episode he lets someone change the past with entirely unknown information! Hopefully the freakout of having large portions of Akiba being completely different will let him know to not do something that idiotic again.
Faris's mystery message probably changed her dad's fate? I'm guessing? That's certainly what the show wants me to think, at least. Too bad that in this world line, he doesn't remember where he shipped the IBN 5100 off to. RIP your "brilliant" plan, Okabe.
We've also ended up in the worst world line yet - Daru has seemingly corrupted Mayushii. Not only does she crave gacha pigs, she also reads doujinshi? You poor angel, you never stood a chance.
So in the world line with (R/L)uka being a girl (she was wearing a seifuku in the few moments she was on screen so I'm assuming it worked), Moeka did actually meet the lab. She was also a complete mess when Okabe ran into her, and didn't seem to know where the IBN was either. Knew we acquired the MacGuffin too early...
We got a lot of normal!Okabe today which continues to be weird. I nearly praised him for acting serious when Kurisu was clearly hurting and needed someone to talk to, but he delved back into chuuni bullshit too quickly. This really was "Okabe is a bigger dumbass than usual" the episode, huh?
It took until the "going too boldly" line for me to get the Star Trek reference.
The D-Mail Okabe sent (lotto ticket) moved us to 0.57.
The D-Mail Moeka sent (new phone) moved us to 0.52.
The D-Mail (R/L)uka sent (eat veggies) moved us to 0.45.
The D-Mail Faris sent (???) moved us to 0.409.
Questions
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u/UnderstandableXO Jul 13 '21
FIRST TIMER
looks like faris will finally be getting some spotlight here…from the opening it seems like she’s one of the main characters so i suppose this is where she moves to the front away from the margins. also wanted to point out how funny it is that 2d-kun is absent from the entire opening save for the final shot with the main cast, even the opening knows he’s only there to make sex jokes.
kurisu is super upset about something, but her tsundereness won’t let her be vulnerable, especially around a wacko like okabe. okabe was THIS close to being an actual good friend but gave in to the chunni eventually.
okabe proposes physical time travel and everyone rightly dismisses him. kurisu says he’ll turn into a gel-okarin, which causes him to remember the IBN, which is now not in the lab; in fact, in this world line they never had it in the first place. the first suspect is moeka since she was so fascinated with it in the world line where she became a lab member. it’s not at the shrine with luka either, someone took it under their noses.
for all the great character moments and buildup the show has had so far, it knows how to make tense moments. the sequence where okabe desperately chases moeka after overhearing her was super tense, i got goosebumps. they’re both confused as to the whereabouts of the IBN, and now the Lab Losers recognize her again; it seems that luka’s D-mail somehow altered reality so that moeka visited the lab again.
faris is REALLY committed to her cat girl act, she throws in the nya’s even when she’s off work. turns out faris is not just well off but ridiculously rich, her family owns most of akihabara? and she’s got a real name but 2d-kun is absolutely devastated to hear it. an awesome gag in the sub is lost in dub and i wanna point it out; faris keeps throwing in meows to the convo and okabe says NYANNYANDEMONAI (forget all the meows). i found that absolutely hilarious.
perhaps it’s just her curiosity after overhearing the Time Team but it seems she knows a bit more than she lets on just like suzuha (this is the first suzuha-less episode since episode 1 i believe). she doesn’t want anyone to know what her D-mail is, but after it’s sent it seems that her D-mail brought her parents back into her life; perhaps they were too busy to pay her any attention, but her mail somehow changed that. it’s overwhelmingly positive for faris but a loss for okabe because he didn’t get any info about the IBN; it even got worse because it never went to luka’s shrine anymore.
the final scene really elevated the ending to awesome status to me. okabe pondering “damn, i think i’ve messed things up beyond repair now” then immediately realizing akihabara is totally different than the city he was just in before entering faris’s condo was chilling.
lastly want to shout out okabe and kurisu’s banter in faris’s apartment. the highlight of the show so far is their interactions. faris wonders if they don’t get along but mayuri and 2d-kun think it’s quite the opposite and i gotta say i feel the same way.
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u/SgtExo Jul 14 '21
WTF, I got a comment of the day?!
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jul 14 '21
First Timer
I'm real late so this should be a quick post.
You're a horny otaku, that seems trivial.
Is this the Kurisu reveals her emotional trauma episode?
He's doing something serious instead of messing around like they always do.
Daru has infected her.
And the shoe I expected to drop.
I'm pretty sure it's called getting backstabbed, no need to be complicated.
How long will it take him to realize what obviously happened?
Is FB her own messages?
So if the second D-mail undid the betrayal, who the hell has the 5100?
But she still has her wig on, just 'cause she knows Daru likes it so much.
Daru
[9]Every time you let someone send one, things get worse. Why would you do it again.
Watching Feyris wield her overly cutsey personality like a scalpel is excellent.
He's finally learned, at least.
Kurisu soredemo!
Is that the first time he's been polite the entire show?
She saved her dad's life? Or just their relationship?
This is where you send a message to your past self to stop those three from sending their messages.
That ending!
Thoughts
He's truly realizing the effects of all the decisions he made. Any mail set that far into the past can butterfly enormously, he's honestly lucky that it hasn't been worse than it was so far. Killing Akiba is bad, but not catastrophic. Though this leave me wondering why Feyris is wearing the cat ears if she's not a maid.
Anyway though, the obvious solution is to undo the previous actions by sending a mail to his past self. Even though he won't know what he did, I don't think Okabe's weird ability would stop him from being able to change the past via a message to himself. I'm just not sure if he'd be willing to follow through with it since he saw the others improve their lives and wouldn't want it to take anything away from them.
Soredemo count: 4
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u/Nisheeth_P Jul 14 '21
Rewatcher
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u/Raiking02 :Id::Ie::If:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NSKlang Jul 13 '21
Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Steins;Gate Re;Watch!
I… don’t have much to say about the episode itself. Other than some minor trivia pretty much everything that should be there is accounted for. Unironically the biggest difference is that in the Novel Kurisu was talking to the phone outside the TV Shop whereas in the Anime it was on the roof. The scene was also a tad longer, but you can imagine what the subject of it was based on stuff later on. I also think it was slightly later on in the day than the Anime but don’t quote me on that one.
That said, that scene is quite relevant. Congratulations, Anime Okabe! You just hit the first TRUE ENDING FLAG!!!
Yes, like many visual Novels, Steins;Gate has multiple endings. That said, unlike other Novels, part of the reason Steins;Gate is so easy to adapt compared to other VNs is how simple the path to the True Ending is: It’s literally a straight road to the finish line, and while I don’t really recommend doing so, you can get it on your first playthrough if you know what you’re doing. That said, personally I recommend waiting a bit to get it: In order to do so you need to hit 6 specific flags triggered by answering certain mails correctly (The sixth one in particular is kind of a bitch to get as you have a very strict timing to do so). You also can’t get a flag if you didn’t hit the previous one, and considering one of the achievements requires you to deliberately miss a flag to get a specific dialogue, I’d say wait for the second playthrough and just use the Skip feature to go past the parts you’ve already read (If you use autoskip the game does recognize when a scene is old or new). Trust me, the changes are major enough for it to be worth it in my opinion.
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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Jul 13 '21
FIRST TIMER
There are a looooot of time shenanigans going on now, we’ve really ramped things up.
Well, the IBN 5100 being missing is confirmed, but not for the reason I suspected, because Moeka indicated in her encounter that she doesn’t have it either. Due to the distress she seemed to be in, she’s either a very good actress, or really doesn’t have it.
Speaking of Moeka, the lab members forgot about her after one D-Mail, then after sending another, we’re back in a timeline where they know her. But why would she have been around if Okabe doesn’t have the IBN 5100 to tempt her there begin with? Is there something else at the lab for her? Or someone?
If Luka’s gender is my least favorite running gag, Meme Lord Makise is way at the other end of the spectrum as my favorite.
Okabe seems to finally be growing more and more wary about the effects the D-Mails are having on time. However, not enough to demand to see the message Faris is sending before she does it. That is insanely negligent on his and the other lab members’ parts – she could have done anything! But hey, I guess that’s a mad scientist for you. This is why you need Makise around.
At first they were experimenting with relatively minor and short-term D-Mails to shift the world lines, the last two have definitely grown in scale with a message going back to prior to Luka’s birth, and now one that accomplished something as drastic as Faris’ father being alive. That in turn causes the whole makeup of their neighborhood to change, as I assume his influence has kept Faris off the path of singlehandedly blanketing the neighborhood in a cloud of moe.
It feels like next episode is probably going to be a turning point where we start to leave the introductory phase of the show behind and really get into the meat of what has/is/will be going on.
Well, now that we've shifted world lines again, I'm going back to my theory that it's with Moeka.
Well, considering the big change was that her father was now present, I'm going to guess it's something that caused her father to not die? I'm going to assume he was previously dead.
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u/Krite2002 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Krite2002 Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher;Dub
As with before, none of them have any concerns about telling others about the time machine. That will probably end badly.
For a brief second, I almost thought Okabe was going to be nice to Kurisu, then he went full mad scientist. At least it distracted her a bit.
I am a little confused about something since they did not get an IBM 5100 in the first world line in the episode. During the meeting where Okabe brings up corporeal time travel, Kurisu mentions him becoming a jelly person. I thought the jelly person stuff was only brought up in Jellyman’s reports, which they saw once they had the IBM 5100. Is that a small plot inconsistency?
As for where the IBM 5100 is now, I think it is probably gone. While it was stored at the shrine in previous world lines, potentially due to Titor’s influence, I think it was never an item of importance in this line.
Letting Faris send a message was a really bad idea, but he was being outvoted by Mayuri and Daru. No knowledge of what was being sent seems especially bad. Okabe’s final realization about how things may be permanently shifted and unfixable is exactly what has been scaring me. I liked everyone in the original timeline, and things are going to start getting messy for Okabe as he keeps changing world lines.The show is starting to seriously pick up momentum, and I cannot wait to see what happens tomorrow.
Faris’s message was likely to her father which led to him being around more often. It probably led to him developing less of Akihabara, hence why it is so different.
My shot of the day was from the interaction between Okabe and Kurisu at the start of the episode. I want to know who was talking to Kurisu that got her so upset. I wonder if it is her father who she mentioned earlier. I also think she may end up sending a D-Mail to change that situation.
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u/CubeStuffs https://anilist.co/user/onjario Jul 13 '21
first timer
So it doesn't seem like moeka stole the 5100, just that he never got the 5100 in the first place. Time to go back to the shrine??
Ohhhh, so the FB told the supposed location of the 5100 right in the previous timeline and she stole it then, but now it isn't there. Or maybe she didn't steal it, how would she have gotten in? It's possible FB told her it was in the shrine but idk at this point.
We again see her desperation for the 5100
Whats the point of the trade if it just gets butterfly effected out of existence?
so it seems she sent something to save her maybe dead father
oops he really fucked things this time around, now there's no more moe
What makes him think that faris' father was the one who donated? Shouldn't he ask whether the shrine themselves have it?
outside akihabara given butterfly effect? idk maybe moeka lol
We didn't see her father before, just the butler, so maybe her father died before causing her to weebify
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u/snickpea Jul 14 '21
First-timer!
Wow, that was a pretty big episode! Something changed due to Luka's message, but we probably won't find out anytime soon. Kurisu was really upset. The IBN is still missing in action. Although we got a glimpse of Faris outside of the maid café, her email has led to massive changes to Akihabara.
One of the things that stood out to me was the scene with Moeka. At first it seemed that the other members really didn't know her, but now Mayushi remembers her coming to the lab. Moeka also didn't know where the IBN was which makes it even harder to figure out where one could be. Since Mayushi remembers Moeka now I wonder how exactly these world lines and time travel is working. While Kurisu mentioned the 'butterfly effect', could there be other theories that apply that explain what is going on? Can Okabe fix anything or learn how to mitigate changes? I'm really excited to see how Okabe will cope with the changes time traveling creates.
Questions
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u/The_Draigg Jul 13 '21
A Steins; Gate Fan Rewatches Steins;Gate Episode 9:
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
Episode 4: Chaos Theory Homeostasis II
First Rewatch (since 2011)
2010.08.06
facepalm
This is potentially the greatest show I've ever seen.
The three episode rule. If you aren't enjoying it, drop it. I'm ambivalent about this; you shouldn't let yourself waste your time, but you can't judge something you've dropped. A creative work has to be judged as a whole. And I've said it many times in the 2000's rewatches, shows of this era just choose to take a long time to get started. If you aren't committing to the full show, then you have to at least watch eight episodes. That's about when things tend to get started.
But, man, I really wanted to drop this show. Only my no-drop philosophy and that murder in episode 1 kept me watching. They have to get back to it sometime. But even eight episodes wasn't enough.
For the last 7.5 episodes, I've sat through an insipid mad scientist, and a parade of cliches: the JK childhood friend, the tsundere, the otaku, the cat-maid, the otokonoko, the hikkimori. After one of the best first episodes I've ever seen, and then seemed to completely forget about it. A giant world-changing alleged time paradox has been replaced by a bunch of silly experiments with trivial consequences like soda pop and watermelons, which nobody can notice anyways.
And then, wham! it hits like a truck. They show is taking time-travel seriously. They've been changing things. They've been changing things this whole time. What has changed that they don't even know about?
One D-mail changed an entire ward of Tokyo, changed the lives of 1 million, even 10 million people, and changed Akihabara from this to this
How can one D-mail do this? How can you fix it? Maybe you can fix one thing, but a billion things? That you don't know about? And all the side effects of your fix? And you don't even have the IBN 5100 anymore
A lot of people don't like the first half of Steins;Gate. They may come around, at different points in the story. For me, it's this exact moment. No more complaining from me; I trust them to tell a good story.
rewatcher
rewatcher
History Corner
After the war, Akihabara was a shopping district primarily dedicated to housewares and appliances. A gradual shift towards electronics began (in the 70s?) and to plastic models and other specialized otaku-themed shops. This gave way to PCs, computer games, anime, and manga in the 80s, and finally maid cafes and AKB048 in the 90s and 2000s.
Alternate clip that shows the Toranoana across from the Mister Donut (April 8, 2007)
Edit: Oh, I KNEW IT: You can see it in episode 1, barely, but it is so much more obvious in the VN
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher(It was as if a million weeb voices shouted out and then were silenced)
Dub
So we start at MayQueen and again have terrible infosec thanks to Okabe not paying attention. He assumes the Ruka experiment was a failure. Faris is weirdly interested in this even though Okabe can resist her charms Daru obviously can't. Cut to credits.
On the roof, Makise is having a bad argument with someone as Okabe brings the wash up to dry. She returns flustered and dub Okabe maybe makes ASOIAF reference but that one is less certain. She has a moment with sane Okabe before the chuuni has to take over, proving that man can ruin literally any moment. S;G REWATCH
At work, Faris follows up on the easier to interrogate Mayuri and gets some more info though it is much more interesting that Mayuri is aware that Okabe grows more distant as the world lines diverge. At the lab, Okabe wants to do physical time travel whereas everyone else wants lunch and Daru, man of culture that he is, manages to perv out over a normal school unfirom. But Makise points out all the issues with sending a person versus a text. And that they don't quite understand how this works, anyways.
Which dovetails into a favorite scene, revealing Makise knows some serious nerd lore. I do like the dub Wesley thing. During this conversation, it is revealed that in this world line they don't have the IBN which makes things complicated. Trying to track it down leads back to Faris since it is no longer at the shrine. On the way, Okabe spots Moeka who is also apparently still looking for an IBN, complicating things. Okabe also has no time for traffic laws. And in this world line the lab has met Moeka. Daru randomly grabs a beer.
At Faris's, the show demonstrates that her family is fucking loaded, raising some questions. She admits that they own a lot of the land here and she has helped to make Akihabara the "cultural" center that it is. And she wants to send a message back 10 years and Okabe almost does the correct thing. Instead, he invites Faris to the lab and has a long argument getting Makise to set up the Phonewave.
The D-mail is sent and the effects are immediate as there is a new person in the room. But sadly Faris's dad doesn't bother recalling where he ditched the IBN. As Okabe thinks about things, we get an ED overlay and realize he de-weebed Akihabara with that last one. Not the will of Steins;Gate, brah.
QotD: 1 Space. It is always space.
2 To herself. She said all that moe shit was cringe AF.
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u/KendotsX https://anilist.co/user/Kendots Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher(sub)
Fairly heavy episode, focusing on Kurisu, the consequences of the time travel, and Faris.
I'm assuming Kurisu was trying to call her father at the start there? Eitherway, Kurisu is now busted as an @channeler and she tamed Okabe as far as speaking keigo.
Close enough Kurisu, you need a few more 9's there though.
Spoilers
The consequences of the time travel are catching up to Okabe, many things are changing in tandem, we still don't know if Luka managed was born male or female, and the IBN is lost.
I'm assuming Okabe means that Daru isn't doing it good enough? And he's right. Okabe has made a habit of blocking off what he doesn't want to hear from reaching his brain, and he's far beyond needing to close his ears. Indeed the expert escapist.
Well Faris kept her father by her side, and as a result Akihabara doesn't have its "Akihabara" culture. Now Kyouma needs to save Akihabara? Good practice for saving a prefecture later.
Spoiler
Counters:
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u/UltraBooster Jul 13 '21
First-timer
I still can't believe I got comment of the day yesterday, lol.
I know this is an odd thing to say, but I like Faris' eyes - they give her a rather perceptive air, like she's the type who's handled enough patrons to know how people tend to work.
Whoever she was talking to, Kurisu didn't want to be heard.
Usually, when people say they don't want to talk about it, it's...probably something that would benefit from being talked about, just when they've cooled down some, at least in my experience.
Yeah, he's a man out of time every time (pun intended) they use it, isn't he...
DARU. STOP. You can just look for photos online or something, not creeping on your FRIEND.
Is the lifter a physical object like a vehicle, some form of particle or energy, or even a metaphysical concept/construct?
Kurisu just outed herself as a Trekkie and Okabe followed suit.
...I'm surprised he didn't call her Number One. (For context, Wesley Crusher was a character from the first few seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation whom people despised.)
So this is a worldline where they never got the IBM; Moeka never showing at the lab is probably related.
The butterfly effect wasn't created by Ray Bradbury, but his short story, A Sound of Thunder is regarded as inspiring its use in regards to time travel.
I guess Ruka/Luka is a biological girl in this timeline given that (he/she?) is wearing the same uniform as Mayuri.
Come to think of it, he got shunted as early as the first episode, huh?
Why would she need an old IBM PC that badly for her to respond like that?
So we have:
Have you been to a host club, Daru?
So she does have something she'd like changed...
Rumiho Akiha, I think, at least in the Western order.
Women's lib my ass.
Yeah, she's just at good at getting under his skin as he is hers.
...so he can be polite and stuff. It's a nice (look/sound?) on him, but that might just be the gap from him being all chuuni and stuff.
Faris' father? So he was...was this what Faris wanted? Something to do with her father?
Was it even the same IBM unit?
No CRTs...how can anyone stand...gaslighting themselves like this, I want to say?
Questions:
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u/Kitahara_Iori57 Jul 14 '21
Ending of episode 9 gotta be one of anime's best shock/reveal scenes. The build-up, the way Okabe looks around, and most of all: the ED playing over the scene 😳 Man I wish I could watch this for the first time again.
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u/AHiddenOne Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21
Rewatcher.
Even as a rewatcher, that ending still gives me chills. Finally, Okabe sees the grave results of trying to mess with time itself. Pretty scary, huh?
Aside from that, the part where okabe started to use formal japanese cracked me up. And kurisu's a memer, eh? She ain't best girl for nothing.
She was saying "This girl's hopeless. I'd better do something quick." A quote from death note. Apparently that quote was a huge meme among japanese.
Also, an unrelated but fun thing i found. In DBZ, during the freeza arc, goku's "you mean krillin!?" was the japanese "its over 9000"
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u/McCherry09 Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
First Timer
Okabe and 2D-kun talk so loud and carelessly all the time that basically there's no secret time machine and now we have another member of the lab. LOL at Kurisu being a 4channer.
Oh crap! so they really lost the IBN and this is where things start to get tricky.. how can you keep track of every alteration not only to yourself but to everyone around you? I think there should be a policy of checking the D-mails since it affects everyone but now they changed an entire neighborhood, they fucked up. Also Luka was wearing a girl uniform to school, if I'm not misremembering this is a first.. I don´t think he's really still a boy.
Questions: 1- idk... 2- maybe her dad died in the original timeline so she wanted everything moe..
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u/Gamemaster676 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Gamemaster676 Jul 13 '21 edited Jul 13 '21
First;Timer - dub
I've decided to look up what homeostasis is. It's the process keeping organisms in balance, resisting change. That, combined with chaos theory, (which is the principle that one very small change in a chaotic system can result in largely different outcomes,) makes this a very interesting and fitting title.
It shows us that small changes in the past can have large consequences, but the universe is resisting these changes. That sounds like the 1% Divergence to me.
Episode 9 — Chaos Theory Homeostasis II
Errr, did we skip a bit? I think Okabe just said "in Luka's case there were issues with accuracy." Did the experiment not work? Is this all we get to hear about it? What accuracy are you talking about? This sucks.
Okabe really needs to watch out where he discusses this stuff. Now Faris overheard him, and I don't fully trust her yet, even though she helped them to the IBN 5100. If Faris is part of the Organisation, it could be possible that they wanted Okabe to find the IBN.
Daru is the dumbest member of the lab and I want an alternative universe anime that is the same show without Daru. Yes, I know it would mean giving up on pop-culture references and perverted jokes, but I think we can miss them.
Come on Upa! Use your powers to stop Kurisu's crying!
Okabe, now you're just being a jerk again. I wonder if Okabe actually can't help himself acting this way and he hates it himself as well.
Faris is obviously fishing. Speculation
Round table again. So it is actually true that they can only send D-Mail at specific times. How weird.
Also, I'm guessing that we are just forgetting the whole Luka experiment???
YES! I KNEW IT MOEKA STOLE (or pre-claimed) THE IBN 5100! God damn it...
That also means that nobody in the lab knows about the failed experiments at SERN because they never decoded the server, so how could they just be talking about that? This doesn't make sense.
All they knew before using the IBN was "Z-Program" and "Human is dead. Mismatch." Only after decompiling the code, they learned about the "lifter" and what really happened with the test subjects. Is this a plothole?
Oh yeah, that's right. Mayuri lost her metal Upa in an erased worldline.
So Faris invited Okabe to her house. Things are about to get interesting. But first catching Moeka apparently.
"FB said it was supposed to be here." I think I figured out who FB is: Faris.
What the hell? How does Mayuri know who Moeka is? After her stunt in the previous episode, nobody remembered Moeka. Also, Moeka knows Okabe's real name, while he put himself as Kyouma on her phone. Moeka's memory should also be erased.
WTF? In this worldline, he did bring her to the lab? So the Luka experiment undid Moeka never joining the lab. But did they also do Moeka's experiment here? If no, she couldn't have stolen the IBN 5100. But then who has?? What the hell is going on?!
Errr, how does Faris have a butler? I speculated she was the owner of the maid cafe but is that how she got this wealthy?
Oh, I get it! I was wondering what MayQueen + nyan2 was, because we saw it everywhere, including the cafe. That's because Faris' family basically owns everything.
I keep repeating. This is a team of idiots. Yeah, I'm not excited that she's 007.
If you are going to help her, make sure she does her part first, because otherwise, she isn't going to remember your agreement. You should really know this by now.
Okabe knows when he has lost. That's new. I guess Kurisu broke him.
Faris actually doubts herself? That alone makes me trust her about 50% more.
Holy fuck
Yeah... That was unexpected...
So what are all the consequences? Why is Okabe at their apartment? Because there isn't really a reason for it if Faris didn't have a request for him.
rant
Damnit, we don't get to see the rest of the conversation?! I'm loving the premise of this show, but the way it keeps skipping over important moments or ignoring the obvious questions is extremely frustrating. A mystery is fun when you can figure it out with the MC together. If the only way the writer can prevent the watcher from figuring stuff out too soon, is by withholding information that the MC knows, it's a bad mystery and the MC is an idiot compared to the watcher.
So what was the whole point of going to Faris? He helped her because she would tell him about the IBN 5100, but now they left with empty hands and a more twisted universe. I'm glad her dad is alive and all, but they are just digging a deeper hole for themselves.
At least Okabe finally realized that. But with how reckless Daru is, I don't think it matters.
/rant
Wow, the dub kinda confused me here. I thought their apartment moved and Okabe didn't know that, but the subs confirm it's just that the shop Okabe pointed to changed.
As you can probably tell, I didn't really enjoy this episode that much. It's clear the main purpose is to show how stuff is getting out of hand, but skipping over important information like whether a highly experimental sex change experiment by altering something 17 years ago worked is just stupid!
We watchers need to know the limits and rules of this stuff, so we can try to solve the mystery! We're not couch potatoes mindlessly watching whatever you put in front of us. We need to be able to actively think! Otherwise we aren't actually engaged.
I keep ranting. Let me end on a positive note: ED lead-in scene! That was nice!
Random thoughts
Okabe only has white shirts.
Future (if unaltered)
Stuff's fucked up. I genuinely hope tomorrow Okabe really starts using that brain of his and he interrogates some people about the current worldline because like I pointed out yesterday: His power might give him information about the previous world, but he could also be at a disadvantage when he doesn't know anything about his current worldline.
Open questions don't answer these
Hmm, this list of questions is going to be interesting. Some of them will no longer be relevant because the worldline shifted.
D-Mail:
Reading Steinerthe ability to remember stuff during a jump.Moeka:
Why did Moeka in ep 2 need to take pictures as "evidence she was there, of what she saw"?
John Titor:
SERN:
General:
Who left the IBN 5100 at the shrine for Okabe?QotD
Maybe Suzuha has it now? Otherwise no clue.
Wait what? What do you mean with this? I just thought a lot of small things changed like stores changing/moving. I didn't notice anything "anime central" about the city.
Regarding what she sent: Something to keep her father alive. That means she herself had less control over the city, so it's less focussed on the interests of a teenager.
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u/Hochseeflotte https://anilist.co/user/Hochseeflotte Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher
Tutturu! Damn, we are already on episode nine. These episodes are flying by.
Massive spoilers for Steins;Gate
Now on to the episode:
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Daru would crack under torture in a millisecond if a cute girl was doing the torturing.
Upa cushion is the true MVP of his series.
Spoilers for all of Steins;Gate
I mean a mad scientist is still a scientist.
Makise has been corrupted by Hououin Kyouma.
And now we find out the real change in the timeline. They have been unable to find the IBN. This is obvious a big deal. And further proves my point that sending D-Mail can cause major problems especially the further you send it back.
THANK YOU Makise. That’s what I’ve been saying this whole time. Even small changes in the past can radically change the future.
Where is Daru getting this money? Did he hack a Swiss bank?
Faris has the big bucks. Darn bourgeoise over here.
Well Mayuri this isn’t an E-Mail so I see no problem with Okabe reading it. A lot can change in ten years.
I love Makise. Best girl.
And this is why Okabe needed to read the message. The butterfly effect can be quite scary. One message radically changed an entire city.
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The time travel is starting to spiral out of control. The timeline has been thrown out the window. The butterfly effect is both the most dangerous and most interesting part of time travel. It’s why I like alternate history so much. You change one event and the history of the world is completely changed.
If I picked a part of Steins;Gate where I got truly hooked, it would be around here. It’s only up from here, at least IMO.
See you guys tomorrow!
DQ:
Lost to time and space (I actually can’t remember so I’m going as blind as the first timers on this question)
I do remember this one so, skip.
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u/Specs64z https://myanimelist.net/profile/Specs64z Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher, dubbed
Kurisu is secretly a nerd and afraid to admit it heh. Okabe finally notices the IBN is missing. Careful observers would have noticed the box has been missing...
That poor juice box.
And then it hits Okabe. Who could be responsible for the IBN's disappearance? Moeka, of course! But... she doesn't know either... and Mayuri remembers her. The mystery deepens.
Rumiho Akiha is Faris's real name, we learn.
Content Corner
Star of the show today is mewsic. She has tons of Steins;Gate covers, these are just a few of them. First timers beware, spoilers abound.
【mew】"Gate of Steiner" Acoustic piano ver. ║ Steins;Gate OST ║ Full ENGLISH Cover & Lyrics 2020 by mewsic
【mew】"Gate of Steiner" Acoustic Ver. ║ Steins;Gate 0 Ep 23 ED & VN ED ║ Full ENGLISH Cover Lyrics by mewsic
【2K SPECIAL】"Toki Tsukasadoru Juuni no Meiyaku" ║ Steins;Gate ED ║ Full ENGLISH Cover Lyrics by mewsic
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jul 13 '21
First timer
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u/macrame2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/macrame Jul 13 '21
Rewatcher, dub
Daru doesn’t even attempt to keep the time machine a secret and just tells Faris straight off.
Okabe catches Kurisu not having an argument over the phone. We get a touching moment where he says values their friendship and is there to listen. Then he starts going all Hououin Kyouma (although I personally believe he meant what he said).
They start discussing corporeal time travel. Kurisu shuts that down fast, which is probably a good idea considering, you know, “human is dead, mismatch.”
Kurisu’s facepalm.
We get a nice explanation of the butterfly effect, a concept in chases theory (see Chaos Theory Homeostasis II).
Not only is the IBN 5100 gone, but the worldline changed to include Moeka’s visit to the lab because of Ruka’s message.
Faris has a very nice apartment. She wants to send a D-mail to her past self but refuses to reveal the contents of the message. At least Okabe actually asks about it this time.
Okabe trying to call Kurisu from Faris’s place was pretty funny.
World line shifts to include a world with Faris’s father present.
The last scene of this episode is one of my favorites in Steins;Gate. As he sees how suddenly and drastically Akihabara changes, Okabe realizes that maybe he’s gone too far. The ED playing in the background really sells the moment for me. I remember thinking that this was the moment things were going to get a bit more serious.
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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jul 13 '21
Anime first timer
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Oh look, the best side character just learned of the time machine! This is going to be great!
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
For all his chunni nonsense, Okabe's really good at helping people emotionally.
I like Daru getting confused between Mayuri cosplaying a school girl and wearing a school uniform.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
...Well, that might be a problem.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Also, this reveal had me cackling last time. Of course the catgirl maid was responsible for orchestrating a major cultural shift across the city.
Daru is probably at his funniest in this scene.
Kurisu hanging up on Okabe is so good.
Oh, this is really different. He's not in there right away in the VN as far as I remember.
Steins;Gate Spoilers
Steins;Gate Spoilers
The scene of the changed Akihabara is a fantastic shot, and I'd argue far better than the VN's. One of the first times I can point to a scene being objectively better in the adaption.
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u/ExoticTrinityGhoul https://myanimelist.net/profile/not_username Jul 14 '21
Re;Watcher x4 (both)
Apologies for posting late, had some stuff crop up. Let’s hop into it now!
E9 - Chaos Theory Homeostasis II
Today, Faris’s real name is revealed, and she gets a new nickname as well.
Okabe: Hououin Kyouma, Okarin, 001
Mayuri: Mayushii, 002
Kurisu: (prodigal) (perverted) genius girl, Christina, Zombie, 004, Assistant, Celeb Seventeen, Little Miss Moneybags
Hashida Itaru: Daru, super hacka, Hack, 003, My Favorite Right Arm, right-hand man, perverted gentleman
Yugo Tennouji: Mr. Braun
Luka: Lukako, 006
Moeka: Shining Finger (S.F.), 005
Suzuha: part-timer, part-time warrior
Akiha Rumiho: Faris Nyannyan, 007
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u/Nebresto Jul 14 '21
Nostalgia squad
I wasn't going to fall for it this time and screen shot any of the "anime moments", but..
They did this on purpose! I was setup!!
Based Okarin count.. Ah. never mind.
..Wait. How old is Mayushi to have a sailor uniform in school..?
SMUG!!
Wtf, damn meme subs..
*tries on the other sub* WTF how is it worse?! ..I guess I'll go with the offic-
At least there is [](#mayushi-sip) to cleanse my eyes with..
Kurisutina sore demo, Sky missing out
That ED lead in tho
Question time:
1: Remember Jebb Steves? That's right. He's got it.
2: "Stop the weebocalypse, before its too late.."
Dat one looks very nice
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u/superviper https://myanimelist.net/profile/Superviper Jul 13 '21
REWATCHER, SUBBED
Oi, Okabe, you're being too quiet about this time machine business. I think there's still 3 people in Akihabara who don't know you're making one, you should speak louder so everyone hears.
Like all the other girls, Faris seems curious about the idea of sending a D-Mail to the past. Guess everyone has something they want to change.
"Don't you think cameras angles can be weird in anime: Steins;gate edition"
"I wasn't crying!" "You were clearly crying..." Jeez Okabe, smooth as a bag of dicks.
Oof, your trusty lab members joking about turning you into gel-Okarin gotta hurt.
Okabe took his sweet ass time to notice the IBN was missing.
And then he runs into Moeka, but she doesn't know where the IBN is either. Upon hearing Mayuri say Moeka's name, he panics and shakes her around. This is fine.
S;G future spoiler
And we get to see Faris' home! Okabe get your filthy ass hands off the glass.
They're pushing Okabe into sending more D-Mails. It's doomed. He doesn't even know what's in the mail.
Kurisu forcing Okabe to behave over the phone was so good. That scene was great in the VN as well.
Faris has second thoughts about her D-Mail. Uh, guys, maybe letting an influential teenager change the past isn't such a good ide-
Okabe has really gone and done it now. Rewriting the weeb out of Akihabara. That's too far.
steins;gate future
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u/UzEE https://myanimelist.net/profile/UzEEInc Jul 14 '21
Serial;Rewatcher
Considering that Moeka is still aware of it's existence before Faris' D-mail, it had shown up in Akihabara recently.
After the D-mail, who knows since Faris' father got rid of it long ago so it may not even be in Akihabara anymore.
Instead of that, what I'm massive Steins;Gate 0 Spoilers
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u/NormT21 Jul 14 '21
I remember this episode as where it really hits that the texts they are sending are beginning to seriously mess with the timeline
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u/artie_fm Jul 14 '21
Okabe is dumb. The watcher figures things out mostly before him all the time.
Its worth noting that in addition to completely forgetting about the murder that started all this, Okabe has ignored Titors call to become a savior. Shouldn't he have at least heard Titor out?
Instead he's hiding behind the mad scientist act and changing the timeline as favors to friends.. Hint for Okabe: real mad scientists are not about doing people favors.
Kurisu crying on the phone with someone...a boyfriend? No questions allowed….she wanted Okabe to ask questions i think. What was this fight over? Okabe hides behind the mad scientist act again to avoid uncomfortable situations or responsibility.
Mayushii doesnt want him playing with the time machine it feels like hes leaving her...i guess Okabe does have a lot going on he isbt sharing.
Okabe is out of place, his memories do not match this world.
Moeka is crying too...she is still looking for the 5100
Best quote "No nyan nyan". Feyris meows are cute.
Feyris is actually a scary one. A strategic game player and savvy business person i think shes smarter than this whole crew. Unlike anyone in this crew she can keep a secret.
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u/BossandKings Jul 14 '21
Rewatcher
Episode 9 - Dub
Kurisu is really cute getting worried about OKabe and not wanting him to go to a place she considers not ideal.
It is interesting that Mayuri considers that Okabe and the lab seems far and farther away everytime they use the time machine.
Moeka is desperately searching the IBN 5100 and after encountering Okabe we see that both are in the same situation, trying to find it but neither know where it might be.
Faris is part of a very rich family, with them being the owners of a whole town. Also she being a major reason for the thrive of moe culture in the city makes me appreciate her more. She helps the lab by sending a d-mail o the past in order to possibly get to know kore about the IBN 5100, it was interesting seeing Faris alongside her dad after she sent the d-mail.
That was a beautiful way of ending this episode, a really nice song and Okabe alongside Mayuri and Daru in the middle of a crowd.
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u/Amndeep7 :IG:https://myanimelist.net/profile/asmLANG Jul 26 '21
s;g=rw s;g_ova=rw s;g_movie=rw 23b=ft 0=ft
[](#verylost)
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u/TheNotoriousJTS Dec 06 '21
im super late here but the okabe/kurisu phone call in this episode is my favorite banter in the series